Educomp : Revolutionizing education !
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Topic: Educomp : Revolutionizing education !
Posted By: basant
Subject: Educomp : Revolutionizing education !
Date Posted: 11/Aug/2006 at 3:35pm
Educomp Solutions: Revolutionizing education
Educomp solutions (CMP Rs 382) is India’s largest technology driven K 12 education company serving over a million students. The company provides end to end solutions in the technology driven education segment through licensing of digital content , solutions for bridging the digital divide, professional development and retail sale of education related CD ROMs and other tutorial products. The company’s vision statement reads:
· To reach out to 10 million learners through our products and services by 2008.
· To be among the top 10 K12 learning solution companies worldwide by 2010.
The top management (Shantanu Prakash and Somya Kanti) are IIM alumni and through my past experience companies that have IIM/IIT alumni at the top always manage to create shareholder wealth.
Financial Snapshot |
Market Price |
Rs 382 |
Market Capitalization |
Rs 607.38 crores |
Sales FY 07 E |
Rs 100 crores |
EPS FY 07 E |
16.50 |
Sales FY 08 E |
Rs 175 crores |
EPS FY 08 E |
Rs 30.81 |
PE Fy 07 |
23 times |
PE Fy 08 |
12.40 times |
The company employs about 1,200 professionals and has presence in more than 30 cities across the country. In this connection it has already partnered with Intel, Microsoft, Wipro, Worldlinks Azim Premji Foundation, several state governments, ministry of education & ministry of IT.
Educomp offers one-on-one support to US students on real time basis. Retail customers are serviced directly through http://www.mentoraide.com/ - www.mentoraide.com . The company has BOOT model contracts with 613 govt. and 91 private schools. The company has contracts to extend this knowledge partnership to over 1000 schools in Q1 FY07.
Educomp has developed 10,000 + content modules in over 10 languages for the Smart Class segment, over 12,000 content modules for Mathguru.com, over 100,000 pages of content for Roots to Wings and Learning Leadership System. Recently the company announced plans to enter the pre-schools market. In Mar 06, 90 schools went live with Educomp’s materials – with an average of 10 classes per school, 45 students per class and Rs90 per student (increasing) per month. The numbers of schools to be covered under this product is likely to touch 700 by March 2008. The Smart class initiative has been extended to foreign countries as well. Cedar Girls School of Singapore has signed up for the product and the company expects more such orders to flow in. This business segment runs at 60 to 60% margins.
Educomp signs 5-year agreements with State Governments to install and run computer classes in public schools on a BOOT basis. State Govt of UP, Karnataka, Orissa, Tripura and Nagaland states have already consented to this arrangement. Over the next 2 years Educomp aims to attract over 20,000 schools In this model the company books revenues at the rate of Rs 22,000 -25,000 per school per month
Educomp has an arrangement with Intel and Microsoft to train a specific number of teachers each year. Revenues flow in at the rate of numbers of teachers trained and deployed. Till date over 300,000 teachers have been trained so far
In 1999 Educomp started an education portal “planetvidya.com “. The content created as part of this initiative is now sold in CD ROMs. Its recent product Mathguru.com, an innovative 24x7 math-help program attempts to help students solve every single math problem in their curriculum, text books or syllabus on an anytime anywhere basis. The model is hugely scalable and revenues could flow in at exponential levels of growth.
Recommendation: Educomp is a multibagger star in the making. The company could easily achieve a compounded annual growth rate of 70% for the next 3 years and while the stock could look costly from the short term perspective. Educomp is one company which cannot be measured through current year's PE ratio only. The increasing awareness for education coupled with rising consumer income will only create more demand for the company’s products.
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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2006 at 10:13pm
Definitely has the looks of a multibagger.Being PE focussed does not pay.PEG is very favourable.Excellent buy with a 2 year horizon after which one must assess competition.
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2006 at 10:26pm
Looks a fairly decent play, although I beleive its quite adeqyately priced.Actually, the price value differential makes me feel its a stable play rather than a multi-bagger. It is not having a very decent sales to market capitalisation.Thats my worry.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2006 at 10:39pm
Vivek We cannot look at sales to market cap ratio for all companies. Companies that have high margins will look over priced on sales to market cap basis and companies that have low margins will always look cheap on this basis. Sales to market cap can be used to compare companies within the same industry and not within different industries For example we can compare Tata Steel with SAIL and TCS with Infosys but not Sail with Infosys.
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2006 at 10:55pm
Agree with you. Sorry, its my mistake. My apologies.
But still Mr. Basant, I am unable to locate too much of price differential with its value. Weneed to understand ots still a nre kid on the block, as far getting public is concerned. Behaviour as a public limited enterprise demands more than just performance.For instance, I am shocked with DLF's proposed issue. It has created such a bad image. Even though valuations may be attractive, yet I beleive we should give time to this company to deliver.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2006 at 11:00pm
The point that whether this company will deliver or not will decide whether shareholders will make many times over their capital or not so in case we wait (as a risk averse investor) the major money could already have been made because the opportunity is today.The top foreign shareholders in Educomp are Fidelity and Goldman Sachs. It is interesting to note that 96.37% of the Educomp shares are held by people holding more than 100,000 shares. This reflects that the stock has a lot of Institution/HNI /Serious investor interest
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2006 at 11:03pm
You will find my comparing DLF with educomp a bit too weird, but all i want to say, let these new kids prove their corporate governance.I am more a devotee of benjamin graham than Phil Lynch. Also, people simply forget what Phil Lunch has said... Buy What you see, is jyst one part.He has always emphasized on the balance sheet.For instance, with the kind of pasting deccan aviation has got, oy will take miracles for this company to stand tall in Investor's eyes.
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2006 at 11:13pm
I beleive this company has held out prettywell all this while.But still its 20 p.c. off its high of 466.90.Chartically, I find nothing very wrong with this company although I find the buy triggers simply missing. And the compant is trading in a band and because of lack of data, its difficult to comment whether its accumulation or distribution.But belive you if it cracks 335, it can go down in a tizzy....and till 386 and then 416 are not crossed with distinctions, this scrip is little tricky to be given a buy call.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2006 at 11:16pm
It is Peter Lynch.Not sure if you could apply technicals to small illiquid stocks. They will fall if any one wants to sell and rise if anyone wants to buy collective opinion will rarely work here.
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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2006 at 10:57am
Peter Lynch approach ,I think ,will definitely suit the agressive investor in India looking for large returns.Educomp falls in this category.
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2006 at 11:43am
I was reading Mutual Fund insight (although, I must say, I have not so much liking for mutual funds at all), and in the last page I came across a piece of information, which I find good enough for listing on the forum.
1.Gokaldas Exports-There were more than 60 funds having exposure in that stock in April 2005, which came down to 15-16 in October 2005 and came down still more to less than 15 in April 2006.
2.Gateway distripaks-There were about 25 funds having exposure in that stock in April 2005, which came down to 7-8 in October 2005 and is still hovering around that in April 2006.
3.Shringar Cinemas-the story is similar to Gateway Distripaks, except that we now find still lower no. of funds exposed to it in April 2006.
All that I am trying to say is that good fund holding must not be construed as a case for buying. There is always an information lag between a fund's action and before it comes into public domain. I have received numerous suggestions to convert GE Shipping into gateway distripaks and thankfully I was never so wise.I am not saying Educomp will be like that but you have to be very vigilant especially if you are basing your judgement on the fund's faith.All this brings me to my previous point that theme based investment strategy must be backed by serious review of Balance Sheet and financial statements.I have serious problems wth forecast earnings as this leads me to assumptions which are very dangerous. actually, its like this, when you make optimistic assumtions, the non-incidence of such assumptions in actuality, has a very negative bearing in the market.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Aug/2006 at 5:58pm
Reliance Asset management has taken an exposure of over 9 lac shares in Educomp for its Reliance growth fund scheme.
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Posted By: reema
Date Posted: 20/Aug/2006 at 9:12pm
I heard that CLSA forecasts Educomp to show more then 70% CAGR till Fy 09.I saw their tutoring website mentoraide.com. They are charging US $ 100 for their services. While presently India may not be ready for such services over the next few years the company should get enoughpeople to make a mark.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 21/Aug/2006 at 1:10pm
I would not take CLSA to be a major factor. They have gone wrong many times. Their technical analyst "Chris Roberts" was screaming 6000 for the index when we were at 7500. He kept up to his prediction till as late as 9500 -10,000 and then the TV guys have stopped calling him.
Coming to your argument about US $100, it appears stiff when viewed in isolation but look at it this way for a 12 month session it is less then Rs 400 per month. Cheaper then private tuition plus you save time, get personalized attention, save on traveling costs (for going to the tuition center and coming back). In about 2 to 3 years you will get a lot of clients for these services.
And they do not need 300 million to break even. Even if they get about 200,000 it would be a big deal.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 22/Aug/2006 at 12:57pm
Shantanu Prakash the CEO of Educomp was on Tv yesterday highlighting their forays into Govt. schools. The stock seems to have taken a cue from that and is up 8% from there at 517 today.
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Posted By: reema
Date Posted: 22/Aug/2006 at 4:15pm
I had purchased small quantity of educomp shares at Rs 380 after reading the discussion here on this forum last week. What can you advise me since the stock appears costly at Rs 568 now?Will you book profits at this price level or keep holding?
If you recommend that I sell half of my shares and hold the other half then I will do that also.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 22/Aug/2006 at 6:33pm
Reema:I hold Educomp as a long term investment and would not try to sell now to buy back later. I know that valuations have become stiff at 20 times Fy 08 but with these companies you never know when the new kicker could come in. So while it is perfectly possible for Educomp to fall 20% from here it would be very difficult getting in when it falls that much.
Also I do not believe in selling half of the position and keeping the other half. That you should be doing when you do not know why the staock has gone up.
The math website of Educomp has seen 20 lac hits last month and that is why the stock went flaring up.
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Posted By: ravibagri
Date Posted: 22/Aug/2006 at 11:13pm
But if the PE is high as you say then it will not move up either it will take a price correction or a time correction. For growth shares time correction seems more likely. But I think that will be tough to trade in this share as you can miss good companies by buying and selling. I am a victim of that habit and have left it now.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 05/Sep/2006 at 7:08pm
Market grapewine has it that CLSA is reprdtedly puushing Educomp amongst its institutional clients. Any decline should be used by investors to steadily accumulate this stock.
Ravi high PE should not discourage you from buying a good stock
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=264 - because as we saw in case of Infosys PE is just one trigger for buying a stock
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Posted By: catchsudipto
Date Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 1:28pm
Dear Sir,
Today i logged off from Nucleus software and bought Educomp software. I
hope now it dosen't fall 20% now as than again my conviction will be
tested seriously( Ha Ha). I had already seen nearly 50% fall in
portfolio in May. That time i had lots of sleepless nights. Hope it
dosen't happen again immediately. Though i know it can happen again
anytime.
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 1:53pm
Look sudipto, investing is about learning from gurus but why would you underestimate yourself no guru(s) in this world is correctly, look what happend to Marc Faber he is never right as far as Indian market is concern, same with Jim roggers etc. even great Warren Buffet has so many blunders recent one was when went sort in dollor and expected $ to collapse but that didnt happened if ever thing was so easy to do and predict than people like Warren buffet will be in nooker and corner around the world. You should always listen to everybodys thought but must put your thought when taking final decision and would love to here from Basant on this.
Regards,
Reetesh.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 2:00pm
I would second that 100%. In fact I was searching for words as to how to express the situation and Reetesh has done that pretty well.
Nothing wrromng is selling Nucleus to buy Educomp or vice versa but we should stand convinced about what we do. Most of the time the smartest people in the market are not able to create wealth because they lack the risk taking ability and they do not take rsks because they lack conviction.
Without conviction you will believe into the negative headlines (and sell). Peter Lynch
I have learnt that making money is 50% intellect and 50% conviction.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 2:19pm
Originally posted by catchsudipto
Dear Sir,
Today i logged off from Nucleus software and bought Educomp software. I hope now it dosen't fall 20% now as than again my conviction will be tested seriously( Ha Ha). I had already seen nearly 50% fall in portfolio in May. That time i had lots of sleepless nights. Hope it dosen't happen again immediately. Though i know it can happen again anytime.
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you sure you bought educomp software? dont see any company with that name? educomp solutions i do see! personally, nucleus is xcellent growth story for me. remember, it is all about conviction! thats my personal viewpoint however and you have all the right to differ sudip. Good luck anyway 
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Posted By: catchsudipto
Date Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 3:34pm
Dear Sir,
U are right . its not Educomp software its Educomp solution. Even still
i believe that Nucleus software is a very very good product company.
its management it very good. its has nearly 80 cores as cash in the BS.
Its a good product company with guidance of nearly 40 to 50% growth for
next 3-4 years( managemant told in some news channel). They earn nearly
50% from Product and 50% from service.
But i am worried about NUcleus is " How fast will they scale up? Do
they have the ability to be 1-5 in the BSFi spce which have very very
large players like I-flex, TCS, infosys etc. How will they able to
retain their talent. I feel that scaling up very rapidly
will be tough for them ( they may actually).
While Educomp solution is a new sector, where there is a very very huze
potential. if they gets the order they they can scale up very rapidly
its its not an uphill tast to scale up. But the question is, will they
able to get orders quick and fast. if they do then fine otherwise the
share price will crash like nine-pins as it is overvalued by a huze
margin. Thats the risk. So i am keeping my finger crossed. I know
I am taking a huze risk.
thanks
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 3:53pm
No Educomp is not over valued by a high margin. In Fy 08 theyr shoukd do about rs 30 per share and that makes it 17 times. Now to get apE PE you need to wait for 5 months so the stock is overvalued only for the next 5 months after that it would start discounting Fy 08. In any case the http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=259 - scale of opportunity that educomp can ramp up to is huge.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 9:12pm
Originally posted by basant
No Educomp is not over valued by a high margin. In Fy 08 theyr shoukd do about rs 30 per share and that makes it 17 times. Now to get apE PE you need to wait for 5 months so the stock is overvalued only for the next 5 months after that it would start discounting Fy 08. In any case the http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=259 - scale of opportunity that educomp can ramp up to is huge. |
I was wondering basantjee, what is the addressable market(minimum) for the business educomp is into. Can it keep growing 50% next 10 years, since it is still very very small. I hope the addressable market is big. There is however good chance of competition coming up. What's your view? I alreadr read your educomp page, so was wondering for more details, if yo have any.
Thanks a bunch!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 9:26pm
Over the next few years as Indians get wealthier they would not think twice in order to get their children the best of education. Educomp CD"s will be used in schools and it would be a substitute for books. I was told that Citi group had invested millions in I flex and walked away with several hundred times that.
Now I cannot compare Educomp to Iflex but if you look at their model they are very similar. Both sell the license not the rpoduct so their is a recurring income. Iflex had minor competition but I have never heard of any one trying to make it big in the education system.
I was at their maths website and the way they were solving quadratic equations on the demo section impressed me.
I have no number for the size of opportunity because nothing has been researched in this sector really.About 50% for 10 years I am not sure but at least for the next 5 I could bet hard.
Educomp is also selling its tutorials for SAT and other international competative exams so that opportunity also adds up.
Lastly the management is from the IIM fraternity and I have spevial regard and respect for those guys. In variable an IIT/IIM never lets you down. I am yet to locate a company that had lost out with an IIM or IIM with IIT management at the top. The worst IIT performer taht comes to mind is Mastek. they started at the same time with http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27 - Infy and today the latter is about 80-100 times bigger then the former - in terms of market cap.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 9:52pm
Ok. Thanks sir.
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 10:06pm
This stock was Rs. 377 on 31 July 06 - and was Rs. 577 on 22 Aug 06 ...
If u get some Rs. 25000 today out of nowhere and u are asked to buy Educomp for this in next 6 months -
Would u invest all 25000 in buying Educomp today - or would u wait for it to come down ... ( i assume u already have some in ur portfolio)
If you would wait for it .. at what levels u'll add more ?
Can Rs. 377 levels come again within next 6 months ?
i understand no one can predict it ... but whatz ur gut ?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 10:11pm
Yes, I could call it from gut only. I would buy Rs 15,000 worth of stock right away and then try and time the rest. Yes, I do have an interest in this company since it got listed. But for me the first time sometjing looks good I buy as much as I could and then just keep quiet. So I would not be buying at these prices or even if it comes back 20%. My sense is educomp is spending some time consolidating.
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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 12:04pm
Will high price of Educomp create visiblity and crediblity which are of paramount importance for success in this sector?There is great potential.But it has to be realized by the management over a long period of time.We are in the early stages as of now.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 14/Sep/2006 at 8:56pm
Today, Tata Sky launched of ACTVE WIZKIDS, an interactive educational service for kids available on the Tata Sky platform.
Could someone find out whether the content for this wiil be provided by Educomp? I mean, we should explore whether Educomp is the beneficiary or is it a threat to their products?
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2006 at 7:16pm
Today's announcement: "Educomp Solutions Ltd has informed BSE that the Company is planning to raise funds up to USD 25 million through Foreign Currency Convertible Bonds (FCCB)."
I want to request Basantjee to clarify following:
- On the face of it, this should be a good news meaning company has some more expansion plans. But have they properly utilised all the funds from "share premium" account raised via IPO?
- Why the company is not approaching local banks for raising money thru Debt?
- Why have they gone for FCCBs, as now QIP placements locally are allowed by SEBI and seem attractive.
- From accounting point of view, could you inform us what happens when FCCBs are converted? Is it like equity dilution?
- And if FCCBs are not converted, is it shown as Debt?
Anyhow, please give your comments on this developments on the company's long-term potential business growth.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2006 at 9:40pm
To the best of my knowledge NO. we dont know the figures during the year but I would not think that this money is used. Debt is always better then equity but FCCB carries alow rate of interest but on conversion equity has a higher cost of capital. Not sure on (3).FCCB is converted into equity shares at a pre determined rate after a period of time. For instance the company could issue a convertible for Rs 800 in 2008/. If the price is below that the holders will not exercise their right to convert and take back the money (it will be treated as a debt instrument) or in case the stock price is higher it will be result in dilution.
I have been bullish on Educomp since listing at about Rs 250 - Rs 260 levels. The business is scalable with little capex and the IIM grads at the management add to confidence. This stock has run up since we initiated the discussion at Rs 377 but over a 2 -3 year view it could rise significantly from these levels.
At Rs 250 the stock looked richly valued so it does now. This is so because while results and developments have come in the stock price has doubled. This is a major attribute for a growth stock. You need to buy things costly at times and wait for it to become cheap!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 21/Sep/2006 at 12:57pm
The largest foreign brokerage has been rumpured to have been buying heavily into this stock. Valuations are now looking really streched at rs 654. While I would advise holding on - if you can fresh buying is not recomended at these levels.
This is a contradictory statement "hold but do not buy". But I am only practicing what I do because even if the stock goes to up, the purchase price will restrict any big time gains from these levels. I cannot advocate nor practice a sell because it could go up to Rs 800 who knows? But as we know trees do not grow to the skies and this stock will corrects (very hard) that would be the time to take a look.
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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 21/Sep/2006 at 5:48pm
Mr. Basant your initial analysis was correct as the price bears out.Now it is for the management to jusitify the price as Infosys did as is clear looking back and being wise after the event.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 22/Sep/2006 at 2:03pm
Just saw a flash on NDTV profit that Educomp has bagged an order to provide computer education for 70 schools in UP.
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 22/Sep/2006 at 11:42pm
Fy-08 EPS for Educomp will Rs. 25, sharekhan estimate looks expensive at current level but momentum can take it anywhere.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 24/Sep/2006 at 10:45am
My estimates for the Fy 08 EPS was over Rs 30 per share. But the problem (advantage) with these growth companies is that these estimates change very soon. Like the recent order from the UP govt. for imparting computer based education to 70 schools has already started rerating the stock. Just think what could happen if about 15 states in India were to place orders of such magnitude to Educomp. There is no competition in this field as on date. To my mind if that hapopens this stock could go anywhere.
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 12:07pm
Now in few days people will say that EDUCOMP is BROADBAND BOOM play. Please tell them I was the first one to say this.
When new song is written (only few lines) no one sings it but when song gets completed with tune and good music, people start to sing it in "CHORUS".
I am not pointing out anyone directly but I think we need disclosuer norms applicable here on the site as well.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 12:32pm
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=403 - Internet boom yes, their educational websites are doing good business but for a broadband internet play we have better options because I am myself unsure as to what percentage in sales they would derive from their portals. Their total sales would grow at more then 70% for the next couple of years that is what I am confident about.
At these prices the stock has run ahead of the current visibility. But as I keep repeating some more orders and this stock could become cheap again. So I would hold.
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When new song is written (only few lines) no one sings it but when song gets completed with tune and good music, people start to sing it in "CHORUS".
I am not pointing out anyone directly but I think we need disclosure norms applicable here on the site as well.
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Not sure what this means please specify! Are you talking of personal holdings disclosure?
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 12:58pm
@ 720, I think there is equal chance of disappointment if not more, singing in CHORUS, I meant to say is everyone is saying good things and finding different reason to be bullish.
Disclosure will give confidence to buy or to hold or to sell, this is all I am saying..
I personally hold few shares that I got in IPO.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 1:01pm
Yes.I would agree to that the price has run up ahead & I am interested in this stock.
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 1:12pm
Mr. Basant, please don`t take this other wise, although only we are discussing this right now, but it was not envisioned to you.
But I think we must disclose because that does give confidence, either for good or bad that individual need to decide.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 1:23pm
I have put in a http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=342&PID=3326#3326 - another disclaimer because it would not be possible for me to disclose all my trades. There could be a time lag or I could sell after putting in a post for any reason. Today we are just a few people here and can understand but this could increase in future and
therefore it would make sense to be clear and transparent more explicitly then implicitly.
I understand your views. Thank you for this.
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 1:29pm
I never said you need to disclose your trade and what ever I can make out I dont think you trade in these stocks daily or changes your investment decision on daily price movement, all I am saying was with ours views people should know that we are putting money where our mouth is and I am sorry if you feel bad about it and hurt with this request of mine. It was never intended to you... anyways.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 1:36pm
No harm done. yes I do not trade but it is better to be cautious as you now.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Sep/2006 at 10:35am
If any of our members have bought/ hold this stock and the vision is for less then 12 - 18 months it would make sense to get out of this stock into something else.
Educomp has had a straight run from Rs 377 to Rs 804 in about 4-5 weeks. At this price it trades at a PE of 26 times Fy 08.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 1:19pm
Basant jee, I did a read-up on their website. They currently have 1 million students. They intend to be top 10 k-12 learning firms globally by 2010 and 10 million students by then(or by 2008 maybe!). That seems an incredible pace of growth.
I definitely am interested in this one, but it is running up way too fast for my comfort!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 1:43pm
Om Shivaya: This is nothing new I saw this when I first got interested at Rs 250 and now at Rs 800 it sppears achievable.
At the cost of being arrogant we all said this when it was at Rs 377! The stock is a clear multibagger but it may fall sharrply so that could provide buying opportunities. Please try and understand that growth stocks always look expensive and that is why most of the investors are unable to hang on (understand).
Now even if the stock were to fall 50% we would be well above water so the margin of safety was created it was not available upfront
I am sorry to have used a tough language - it is not directed at you or anyone but to make people understand that growth investing does sometime pay off!Cannot talk about dividend, book value every time. In investing everything has a limited role. These tools are historic and market discounts the future.This needs to be understood.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 2:12pm
No, No Basant jee! What harsh are you talking about? I found nothing about your message harsh at all. It was plain and simple objective and thats the way I like it. Thanks for the info. So you are waiting too, to get in I presume?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 2:16pm
No. I normally buy what ever I want at one price and then do nothing. As I said I am already interested in this stock directly/indirectly.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 2:22pm
Allrighty then, Basat jee! Thanks. Let me know when you are confirmed that you are going to enter it soon. Any specific criteria you have fixed in mind, to decide that you shall be entering it? I have nothing, as of now. Just wiating for the quarterly results.
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Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 29/Sep/2006 at 8:19pm
ATTENTION NEW MEMBER OF THE EQUITY DESK!
I am glad to see that when I added last EDUCOMP@ 782 (10pieces more) two days back, today it is locked in lower curcuit.
I have preserved a few rupees.
Let it come down
I will catch again.
Atleast I am comfortable for the use of some money in coming days!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 29/Sep/2006 at 9:13pm
If any of our members have bought/ hold this stock and the vision is for less then 12 - 18 months it would make sense to get out of this stock into something else. Educomp has had a straight run from Rs 377 to Rs 804 in about 4-5 weeks. At this price it trades at a PE of 26 times Fy 08.
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This is what I wrote two days back. And you BOUGHT it!!! Mr. PKB you woukd realise that every stock in this world has a two way quote; at each price it makes sense to either buy or sell!!!
I hope you have used some real reason to get into it. If I remember correctly you had bought this at Rs 500 something and then tried to trade also- hope you still have those shares.
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Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 29/Sep/2006 at 2:42am
I bought Educomp @ less than 300 just after last BUDGET by studying the prospect of Educomp on tax point of view (TAX advantage from PYT.com) 50 Shares. I can not recollect the exact price. Because the HDFC security I need to search a lot at my then purchase price but it can be done!
I sold 30 of them @ 590
I bought 10 @ 788
I have 30 shares in my JHULI as of today
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 30/Sep/2006 at 3:02pm
When new song is written (only few lines) no one sings it but when song gets completed with tune and good music, people start to sing it in "CHORUS".
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This is what I meant to say.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 30/Sep/2006 at 10:21am
Online tutoring is getting outsourced in a big way. There is one non-listed player in this space: http://www.tutorvista.com - TutorVista . One may find http://www.tutorvista.com/press/mediakitpdf/FundingPressReleaseFinal.pdf - this news interesting.
Educomp seems poised for exponential growth, the issue is however what price to pay for it which would decide the returns really.
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Posted By: reema
Date Posted: 04/Oct/2006 at 10:34pm
The hindubusinelssline printed a review of education companies educomp, aptech and niit today. They say that educomp can benefit from its forays into the schools at Up and other states. But this was already known before why is it that this news comes when the share goes up?
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 04/Oct/2006 at 10:25am
Exactly Reema...That is the way the world is..News follows price and NOT vice versa
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 05/Oct/2006 at 1:02pm
...and that is also why you should BUY on buzz/rumours and SELL on NEWS i.e. when the news is officially released. This is a proven short term trading strategy followed by many people.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 14/Oct/2006 at 1:28pm
Basant ji, based on FY07(estimated EPS), what would be a good price range to enter educomp now(CMP is around Rs. 660). Holding period would be 3 years. What average PE would you give educomp for the next 5 years, based on its future growth path for next 4-5 years?
Thanks a bunch.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 14/Oct/2006 at 3:55pm
I want to add Educomp but am not sure about the price myself. normally it is very seldom that I add a stock once it has been up 3 times but honestly I am confused. I am waiting for:
1) Prices to correct to Rs 600 - Rs 550.
2) Some sideways consolidation in this range - at least 2 more weeks.
Meanwhile if it starts to run up again I would overlook it.
I have no logic for the above entry recommendations. This is just a gut feel.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 14/Oct/2006 at 5:11pm
Same here. You know what. Try putting a "limit buy" on educomp at 600 or whatever the lowest point is on it for the day and let the order run for the day. I had put a limit order on "educomp" for past 2 days and it hit the lower limit by the end of the day, though till the last 1 hour or so, it was way abve my limit order ENTRY PRICE. There are some weak hands in it and they can likely let go of it at 600. 626 has alread been touched on it some 1-2 days back, so 600 wont suprise me.
Do you think educomp can keep running excellently as it has been in past, for next 4-5 years, seeing the addressable market in and outside(especially) India.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 14/Oct/2006 at 5:58pm
Do you think educomp can keep running excellently as it has been in past, for next 4-5 years, seeing the addressable market in and outside(especially) India.
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I am sure about the following:
1) In 2-3 years Educomp will grow in scale and size.
2) The stock price would follow the fundamentals and could be in multiples of this.
3) Till 2010 the company could grow at a CAGR in excess of 50%
4) Before that we may be abl;e to get this stock at a price of Rs 500 or so.
5) It is point (4) above that I am concerned about because in case it rallies up again to say Rs 800- Rs 1000 then it would stay there for 6-12 months till the fundas catch up. There is no scope for PE expansion from these levels (at least that is what I feel).
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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 14/Oct/2006 at 8:25am
In the global context India is emerging as a talent hotspot but our education system is grossly inadequate .Whoever can capitalize on this will be a huge winner?Maybe Educomp can.On PE Educomp looks overpriced to those who doubt sustainablity.But opportunity is there.And one cannot ignore competition that will emerge.
I must confess I have no clear idea whether the headstart that they have got as elaborated in Mr.Basant's first post on Educomp can be scaled up to levels that will make this company a multibagger.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 16/Oct/2006 at 11:51pm
Educomp Solutions Ltd has informed BSE that the Company duly authorized by a resolution of the Board of Directors of the Company at its meeting held on July 25, 2006 & a special resolution passed by the shareholders of the Company at its annual general meeting on August 24, 2006, has issued FCCBs for an amount aggregating up to US 25 million though international offerings.
The sole Book Runner and Lead Manager to the issue was Jefferies International and following are the board terms of the said issue:
- Issue size: USD 25 million
- Currency Denomination: US Dollar
- Securities of the Bonds: Bonds are unsubordinated and unsecured
- Issue price: 100%
- Listing of FCCBs: Singapore Stock Exchange
- Maturity: October 14, 2011 (tenure of 5 years and 1 days)
- Closing Date: October 13, 2006
- Coupon : 1% paid semi-annually in arrears, on six and 12 months save that the first payment of interest will be made on April 03, 2007 & October 13, 2007 in respect of the period from the closing date to October 13, 2006.
- Initial Conversion Price: Rs 900/- per share
- Gross yield to maturity: 7.5% (on annual basis)
- FCCBs convertible into: Equity Shares
- Settlement upon conversion: Shares only
BASANT JI, what do you make of the convesion price? 5 years and 1 days and 900 bucks? Can you explain how this FCCB stuff works. Thanks very much.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 16/Oct/2006 at 8:44am
Broadly that is an option for the buyer of the FCCB to either get his paper converted into the stock of Educomp at Rs 900 can't make much out of that company will use this cash to make some acquisitions I am told.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 24/Oct/2006 at 1:45pm
EDUCOMP I think will surpass your earlier projected FY07 EPS Basant ji. Just a gut feeling. Let's see.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 24/Oct/2006 at 7:00pm
WHile writing something I want to err on the side of caution - irrespective of the stock we are discussing. I want to be wrong by underestimating rather then overestimating.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 24/Oct/2006 at 9:42pm
Yes, I know. I was just pondering on the EPS and I wrote what I wrote. Didnt mean to say that you calculated wrong. I am sure you may have being conservative 
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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 25/Oct/2006 at 12:29pm
Educomp has given investors great returns in recent months. it kissed 800+ and now it s back to 638. is it the right level to enter this stock?? or shall i wait a bit more
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 25/Oct/2006 at 1:16pm
This is a piece of news as of Oct 18(sorry for posting late):
Educomp - a premier education company - together with IT majors Intel and Microsoft Tuesday demonstrated to school principals in Chennai 'Smart Class' - an innovative technology solution that is set to revolutionise classrooms across the globe.
Through this joint initiative, Educomp, Microsoft and Intel plan to bring large number of schools in India into the digital learning age "where students are able to learn in a multi-sensory".
"The education sector in India is one of the largest in the world, with over a million schools and over 220 million learners - yet less than two percent classrooms are digitally-enabled," Educomp Solutions Limited MD Shantanu Prakash pointed out.
"This technology shift is urgently necessary if we have to build on our traditional competencies for the knowledge economy of the future," he said.
The Smart Class programme, an internationally acclaimed digital learning programme developed by Educomp, was showcased before 50 Chennai schools.
"More and more teachers are realising the value of IT to explain complex concepts to students," he said.
Educomp is offering an interactive programme to schools in small towns across India, through a build, operate and transfer system, in which Educomp installs the entire technology infrastructure and provides digital content library to schools along with campus training of teachers and maintenance support.
Smart Class works on Windows-based operating software from Microsoft, computers running on the Intel(r) architecture and curriculum-based digital content and service support from Educomp.
Over 100,000 students are already learning in Smart Class rooms across schools in India, the United States and Singapore.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Oct/2006 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by tyler_durden
Educomp has given investors great returns in recent months. it kissed 800+ and now it s back to 638. is it the right level to enter this stock?? or shall i wait a bit more |
Depends on your outlook. If you want to hold it for 2-3 years start accumulating this stock and buy on dips for the short term the story seems well discounted.
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Posted By: jstk
Date Posted: 28/Oct/2006 at 5:44pm
Did any of you read about the adverse New York Court ruling about on line tutoring ...??
Although online tutoring was on Educomp’s radar as an opportunity, it currently had very negligible / nil revenues from this segment.
They have conducted a pilot in the US for its Smart Class suite at the Franklin Public school in Santa Barbara. We should see them scale up this model in the US over the next 2-3 years.This to mind does not come under the purview of the above ruling.
mentoraide.com might get affected – we will have to wait for company to issue a clarification on this. However mentoraide.com is currently on a free trial run and so it should not affect revenues in any way.
To my mind, Educomp has its hands full for the next 4-5 years just addressing and scaling up the India Education opportunity so the online tutoring should be more of a opportunity negative [ if at all !! ] then a business hit for them.
Looking at the stock y’day shows that the market may have had an inkling of this ruling coming through and weak / speculative hands [ if any !!] may jump boat.next week.
If the stock reacts negatively, I feel it will provide a good opportunity to add further at lower levels. If not………it’s a good sign that the stock is in strong hands whoe have done their homework and believe in the opportunity / market that Educomp addresses.
Lets wait and see !!
jayendra
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Oct/2006 at 5:58pm
Can you post a link to that ruling?
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Posted By: jstk
Date Posted: 28/Oct/2006 at 6:21pm
Its in todays' Times Of India, Mumbai edition - front page / cover story. Not seen it online but may be available on timesofindia.com
jayendra
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Oct/2006 at 6:22pm
This is the link. While it does not affect the overall opportunity since the company is just scratching the surface it is enough to create a negative overhang on the stock. For long term investors that is an opportunity.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/193442.cms - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/193442.cms
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 28/Oct/2006 at 11:32pm
Do Educomp projected EPS for FY07 or FY08 as per the first page on educomp get affected in anyway due to this Basant ji?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Oct/2006 at 11:36pm
I would not think so.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 28/Oct/2006 at 11:39pm
Well, cool then? The 70% CAGR that you were talking about was totally based on the domestic demand right Basant ji or was it some part of US or UK-demand driven analysis too(70% CAGR projection)?
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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 30/Oct/2006 at 11:26am
EDUCOMP numbers re out and the stock is buzzing right from yesterday. its q2 profit has increased by almost 100% yoy. revenues re also up.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 30/Oct/2006 at 11:54am
Ya. I tried getting getting it at 630 yesterday but someone bought it all up and end result was that between 2:30 and 3:30 pm yesterday there was not a single "sell order" left in educomp. Today again let's see: same price!
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 31/Oct/2006 at 12:04pm
Nice analysis Basant ji:
http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/resultsboardroom/educompsolutionsshantanuprakash/fy07revenuesseenatrs100creducomp/market/stocks/article/248272 - http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/resultsboardroom/educompsolutionsshantanuprakash/fy07revenuesseenatrs100creducomp/market/stocks/article/248272
By the way, when you calculated the EPS fo FY07(E), what was the Net Profit(FY07 E), that you had in mind?
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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 31/Oct/2006 at 12:24pm
Educomp Solutions has come out with second quarter results. The company reported net profit at Rs 5.06 crore (Rs 50.6 million) in the second quarter versus Rs 2.64 crore (Rs 26.4 million) in the corresponding quarter of last year.
Its revenues were up at Rs 20.1 crore (Rs 201 million) from Rs 9.63 crore (Rs 96.3 million).
The company has raised USD 25 million through FCCB issue. The conversion price set at Rs 900 per share. It diluted 7.4% of post-issue capital through the issue.
Latest news
Awarded contract for computer education for additional 70 schools by UP Devpt Systems Corp
Total schools with UPDSC now stands at 171
Signed an agreement with Gujarat Council of Primary Education (GCPE), for providing certain equipments and Educational content
Content to be provided in 500 Elementary schools in 25 Districts of Gujarat for the period of 3 years
Also signed an agreement with School Education Department Kolkata for providing educational services
Services to be provided in 650 Schools in the state of West Bengal for the period of six years
Approximate aggregate and potential value of both the contracts put together is Rs 62 cr
Educomp Solutions has planned to scale up headcount at its Bangalore facility by adding 250 people. The company will invest close to Rs 4 crore in a new 30000 sqft facility. The facility would house its global development centre.
this one will go multifolds
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 31/Oct/2006 at 12:31pm
I have used the same estimate that Shantanu told CNBC (Rs 26 crores) yesterday just that I think that they could get past it by a small margin.The last quarter is the best for education companies as it coincides with a new session.
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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 31/Oct/2006 at 12:38pm
Educomp Solutions has come out with second quarter results.
Shantanu Prakash, MD and CEO of the company says that their EBITDA margins are at 49% and may expand further. He further says that their FY07 revenues are seen at Rs 100 crore and profits at Rs 26 crore.
Their order book is currently at Rs 150 crore, he adds.
i think company can sustain its growth story as there s a huge potential in this field. so educomp is a great buy.
i ll surely plus it on dips.
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Posted By: vivekkumar_in
Date Posted: 02/Nov/2006 at 11:40pm
One big event risk I see in educomp is Software Piracy in India..
Lets take one question, I mean how many computers running in India have
original Microsoft Office or for that matter some Computer game etc.. ?
Many houses & even schools & small companies get accesses to
pirated softwares at throw away price..
As consumers, in India we do not take patents & ethics
seriously..This could be a big risk to EDUCOMP.. Even if it comes with
innovative contents and succesfull stuff there would be ppl who pirate
these and tap the money out ..
Basanti.. what do you say about this risk? Could it play spoilsport in Educomp's sales projections ?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Nov/2006 at 8:36am
You may a good point. I had thought of it earlier but since Educomp sells directly through schools piracy should be minimized. FOr the home user how ever piracy remains. Now the market is so large actually that even if we have 10% genuine users it should be able to drive sales. ALso piracy is more widespread in the case of general mass consumption products like software application, music etc. Not sure if the ratio would remain the same in terms of niche products. This is so because pirated stuff is generally circulated by the vendor and for that vendor it would not make sense to have dozens of edu CD's. the management is however aware of these challenges and says that it should not affect them much.
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 02/Nov/2006 at 10:16am
Is buying @ current levels advisable OR should we wait to get lower levels for entry...
plz advise on entry target(s).
Thanx
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Nov/2006 at 10:19am
BubbleVision should be able to help us on that.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Nov/2006 at 10:38am
But since charts would not be available for a longer period he would also have difficulty let us see what he says!
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 03/Nov/2006 at 3:34pm
There we go again...Low of 641.10 and again 640 missed on this sucker. Next week lowering 640 to 630 hehehe 
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 06/Nov/2006 at 2:48pm
Basantji,
This question was not from timing market perspective.
I just wanted to know if ON A LONG TERM BUY PERSPECTIVE, Does Educomp @ 640 levels a good buy ?
I have money which i need to invest - what are other options -
TV18, Hindustan Zinc and other of my favourites are at all time highs - so fear investing there ..
Is Educomp @ 640 levels a good growth stock - specially for next 5 years perspective ?
If the answer is yes, LMK - i'll buy it !
Thanx.
Originally posted by prosperity
Is buying @ current levels advisable OR should we wait to get lower levels for entry...
plz advise on entry target(s).
Thanx
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 06/Nov/2006 at 3:03pm
Good time to start nibbling at Educomp. Buy only when you are prepared to buy more at the lows.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 07/Nov/2006 at 12:59pm
Basant ji,
Have a favor to ask. There is some rumour going around of educomp giving some placements to some funds(us based probably) around rs. 1000 a share. I ask this also bcoz for past 2 weeks I have tracking the bid and offer quotes on my broker for educomp and have been seeing someone buying educomp heavily and there are "no sellers left" by afternoon or at max. by 2:30 pm. Usually the morning starts with "much more sellers than buyers...around 2 to 3 times" and by the end of the day "no sellers left" with "pending buy orders".
Can you try finding what the grapevine is upto?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 07/Nov/2006 at 1:05pm
I know of some one who takes aggressive positions in long term growth stocks who is interested into this one. Cannot give out names but he is an individual not a fund.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 07/Nov/2006 at 1:36pm
Thanks sir, appreciate it.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 07/Nov/2006 at 8:19pm
Educomp has been consolidating for a longggg time. If there is a technical breakout, it is going to be a big breakout. This is just for info. purposes and fun. Technical analysis adds some spice but first please do analyze the fundamentals and decide for yourself pal.
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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 08/Nov/2006 at 7:57pm
Yeah, its time for Educomp now...
Might be a Rumour-Heard frm my friends in (investing community )India ,educomp likely to get a big order soon..
so keep your fingers crossed..
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