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Quote basant Replybullet Topic: TheEquityDesk Report card Sep 2008
    Posted: 04/Oct/2008 at 11:43am

The last nine months have been tough and grueling for equity investing. The ones who invested in 2007 have their nose under water the ones in 2006 are barely breaking even, the guys who got in 2005 are still in some profit, investors of 2004 are smiling and the ones of 2003 are still managing to laugh in spite of the carnage that stocks have taken.

 

The biggest problem that people face in such circumstances is the lack of confidence within themselves and their peer groups. That makes them do exactly what they shouldn’t be doing. For instance I have seen numerous people look at safe stocks. Well in the market nothing is safe but still if anyone were to look for safety why get into stocks. My sense is any kind of targeted return which is lesser then 20%CAGR is just not worth it. The Bank FD at 11% is far better – at least there is no risk of capital erosion there.

 

At this point investors should be able to decide whether they want to create returns from the market or look at mental peace. For instance trying to buy the fallen midcaps will never get mental peace but are the triggers of potential return. There are several midcaps which are trading at less then 10 times Fy10 and growing at 30% + CAGR. These are perfect cases of a potential multibagger. Caveat: We have to be sure of that 30%CAGR growth.

 

So a stock at Say A Ltd at  Rs 100 and a Fy10 EPS of Rs 10 trades at 10 times PE. Let us further assume that the 30% CAGR continues till Fy12 and that the EPS jumps to around Rs 17 for Fy 12. If ever there a bull market before that the consistent growers will be rewarded and we would get a PE expansion of 2- 2.5 times so a Rs 17 EPS stock with a 25 PE suddenly throws a number of Rs 450 which is almost 5 times the current price.

 

Question is how sure are you about the growth? Madcap cuts both ways and for the moment we have seen them cut in just one way.

 

So if you want less tension and a good night’s sleep we still have stocks like the HDFC brothers and the likes of Asian Paints to set the color of your life but if you are greedy like I am then there are the fallen midcaps strewn all over telling you “Buy me” but are we willing to listen?

 

Trying to make that five bagger attempt from here is a double edged sword. If companies do not deliver from here then investors could lose money so any attempt to create that additional return should be done with a view to take any losses if they so arise.

 

Additionally investors could have investments in 3-4 companies all potential return creators and position themselves in such a way that even if one of ideas go correct they recover their capital in the next 3-4 years whereas what they can make from the others is like an icing on the cake.

 

Personally I have followed that strategy.

 

Inflation is a statistical measure and is a year on year comparison. The higher base of 2008 could work out to the advantage of people who invest by looking at macro numbers. With crude and commodities falling as they did there is a very strong likelihood of inflation coming off by March 2009. Now the question is would the R.B.I wait for inflation to come off before cutting interest rates. Maybe they would. Cutting interest rates could be bad for the rupee and that is another headache for the Central Bankers but should it matter to an investor if interest rates are cut in October 2008 or in March 2009? I think not. Markets are smart and a fantastic discounting mechanism they would move in anticipation rather then in hindsight.

 

Once crude cools off it solves the Govt’s problems of current account deficit and that added with the Reliance’s gas find in the KG basin should add close to US $ 30 billion to the forex reserves. This should help stabilize exchange rates which is also affected by the foreigners selling. Further falling crude helps in reduced subsidy bills and that should help in improving the fiscal deficit.

 

But for that there are too many ifs and buts…

 

For the moment if we can get companies trading at 10 times Fy10 and growing at 30%-40% CAGR we will make enough money.

 

The low PE would help protect the downside and the growth help create upside out of a) EPS and b) possible PE expansion.

 

Clearly this report has a lot of red marks then the previous ones. But those reds will change into green – if earnings keep coming in and that is the biggest thing that investors need to work on.

 

Company

Recm

Recm

CMP

Gain (Loss)

 

Date

Price

 

%

Everest Kanto

8-Sep-06

80

259

223.75

Mc Dowell

18-Jul-06

490

1265

158.16

Crisil

2-Aug-06

1550

3390

118.71

Blue Star

6-Oct-06

137

289

110.95

GBN

9-Jan-07

50

102

104.00

ONGC

25-Nov-05

530

1040

96.23

Bharti  Airtel 

24-Aug-06

407

788

93.61

L&T

6-Sep-06

639

1215

90.14

HDFC Bank

20-Jul-06

697

1290

85.08

Infoedge

19-Oct-06

320

586

83.13

HDFC,

5-Aug-06

1245

2201

76.79

Kotak Bank

27-Sep-06

314

554

76.43

TV 18

20-Jul-06

101

176

74.26

Geodesic

17-Oct-06

90

154

71.11

Kohinoor Foods

30-Aug-06

78

125

60.26

Jain Irrigation

13-Aug-06

249

399

60.24

Sun Pharmaceuticals

25-Sep-06

930

1452

56.13

Rayban Sun Optics

6-Aug-06

87

135

55.17

Amarraja Batteries

15-Aug-06

66.4

101

52.11

Titan Industries

18-Aug-06

749

1118

49.27

Yes Bank

1-Sep-06

89

123

38.20

Opto Circuits

26-Oct-06

184

247

34.24

Zee News

23-Jan-07

32

41

28.13

ENIL

23-Jul-06

186

236

26.88

Pantaloon Retail

26-Jul-06

225

271

20.44

ICICI Bank

20-Jul-06

467

551

17.99

Aditya Birla Nuvo

10-Sep-06

836

965

15.43

Reliance Capital

3-Jun-07

972

1121

15.33

Nestle

31-Mar-08

1490

1684

13.02

Shanti Gears

20-Sep-06

64

71

10.94

IndiaBulls

13-Nov-06

142

155

9.15

Havells

30-Aug-06

285

300

5.26

Tata Investments

8-Aug-06

337

341

1.19

Indraprastha Gas

1-Sep-06

117

117

0.00

Axis Bank

21-Oct-07

735

734

-0.14

Monsanto

21-Sep-06

1488

1459

-1.95

IDFC

17-Nov-06

78

74

-5.13

Marico

15-Mar-08

63

58

-7.94

Tata Tea

15-Nov-07

750

675

-10.00

Infosys

19-Jul-06

1612

1390

-13.77

Financial Technologies 

26-Aug-06

1252

1067

-14.78

Adlabs

2-Jan-07

430

336

-21.86

Max India

5-Sep-07

202

156

-22.77

Dabur

18-Dec-07

116

89

-23.28

Maharashtra Seamless

22-Aug-06

365

273

-25.21

J & K Bank

23-Sep-07

710

459

-35.35

Trent

2-Aug-06

715

454

-36.50

Suzlon Energy

28-Aug-06

242

151

-37.60

Sintex

15-Feb-08

448

272

-39.29

Network18

20-Jul-06

238

144

-39.50

Indian Hotels

7-Aug-06

116

69

-40.52

Champagne Indage

7-Aug-07

690

394

-42.90

PVR

1-Oct-06

255

144

-43.53

SKF India

16-Feb-08

358

202

-43.58

ICRA

25-Oct-07

960

521

-45.73

Bharti Shipyard

17-Sep-06

337

180

-46.59

Moser Baer

15-Jan-07

220

115

-47.73

Inox Leisure

2-Aug-06

125

63

-49.60

India Infoline

25-Nov-07

200

90

-55.00

Nitco Tiles

28-Aug-06

169

73

-56.80

Voltas

28-Jan-08

220

95

-56.82

Zicom ELectronics

16-Aug-06

185

79

-57.30

Edelweiss Capital

15-Nov-07

1400

405

-71.07

LMW!

14-Jul-07

2930

881

-69.93

Vimta Laboratories

3-Sep-06

159

61

-61.64

Nucleus Software

8-Jan-07

351

108

-69.23

Dish-  TV

18-Apr-07

103

30

-70.87

WWIL

8-Feb-07

120

21

-82.50

 

*# Stocks in maroon are from The Equity Desk XI.

 

Regards,

 

Basant Maheshwari



Edited by basant - 02/Jan/2009 at 5:58am
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 05/Oct/2008 at 12:53pm
Well, broadly I agree that for safety people should get into FDs but investors should realise that shunning stocks which are considered to be like 'FDs' doesnt always make sense.
And sometimes returns can also be made in stocks which are considered safe......anybody who into HUL in 160-180 band about a year back is sitting on a lovely gain of 60 p.c. and must have eaten 12-13 odd rupees in dividend.
People should learn to grip the handle, whatever kind of handle it is. Practicising something, because a Great investor has said so, when you dont know whether you are capable of handling the consequences of that approach, is likely to take you to greater depths.
I have been on this forum for almost 2 years now, and what I am amazed at is that many people who used to claim they are so brave, seem to have been 'dumbed' by this carnage. There used to be so much exuberance on this forum and in the last 3-6 months, all seem to have vanished.
What is more sad, is that most of the 'emerging stocks' have got dried up. I remember there was a particular IT mid-cap company, especially active in the BFSI segment,, which used to be talked about so much in those days, but for weeks and perhaps months now, there is no participation. The portfolio thread used to be so active, but now even for members who have contributed posts in excess of 5000+, there seem to be no activity on their portfolio thread. Even in Large cap section, the fight seem to be going on between ICICI bank vs. HDFC Bank, thats all.
 
The fact of the matter is, we have a lot to learn, and this is applicable to all members, even Basant Sir. The scale of learning required for senior members may be quite low, and for inexperienced and unknowledgeable investors like me, it will be quite quite high.....but everybody here needs to learn. 
 
At the end of the day, I believe there is no need to have high fives and super exuberance like we had at the end of June 07 results and similarly there is no need to be so stunned after the end of Sept 2008. Either state of being, tantamounts to preparing yourself for further failure.


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Quote MissingLink Replybullet Posted: 05/Oct/2008 at 1:05pm
basant ji,

one small doubt.... Does the recommended price take into consideration any stock splits which might have happened after the recommended date?
for example for pantaloon retail's gain seems to show 20% from the recommended date till now. Inbetween there was a stock split.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 05/Oct/2008 at 1:40pm
Yes, they are all adjusted for the splits!
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 05/Oct/2008 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by Vivek Sukhani

The fact of the matter is, we have a lot to learn 


At least I've a long way to go in terms of learning.

It has been a humbling experience. BubbleVision's quote was very apt: not to confuse brains with the bull market.




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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 05/Oct/2008 at 3:18pm
And surely, we are definitely missing Bubble now.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 05/Oct/2008 at 3:48pm
Actually when prices fall the focus change to prices and yet we are all "long" term "value" cum "growth" investors. As investors falling prices with increased earnings increases value but that is not how we are accustomed to think.
 
That is because we are not sure whether earnings will indeed rise.
 
So at the moment we can paint a dooms day scenario just that the drivers keep changing. It was US subprime in January => Forex in March => Crude  & Inflation in June/July and back to the US again.
 
Actually with so much of information around one is unable to seggregate which of these are relevant and which one isn't.
 
But it shall be a great experience for everyone and that is what we are supposed to take out from the markets.
 
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Quote valueman Replybullet Posted: 05/Oct/2008 at 4:27pm
The last nine months have been tough and grueling for equity investing. The ones who invested in 2007 have their nose under water the ones in 2006 are barely breaking even, the guys who got in 2005 are still in some profit, investors of 2004 are smiling and the ones of 2003 are still managing to laugh in spite of the carnage that stocks have taken.


I belong to that Category Big%20smile

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