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Quote deepinsight Replybullet Topic: Behavioral Finance - Needs more attention
    Posted: 23/Sep/2007 at 4:08pm
I also wanted to touch upon the topic of ... Conviction bias - where because we have built our conviction over a long term (studied the company, read all reports, build our case, talked to management, etc.) we are unable to change our minds (read: become inflexible to the facts). This in the past has lead me to stay the course for longer than required.
 
Tilson has a good presentation which explains his phenomena here

 

"A study done by a pair of Canadian psychologists uncovered something fascinating about people at the racetrack: Just after placing a bet, they are muchmore confident of their horse’s chances of winning than they are immediately before laying down that bet.

The reason for the dramatic change is…our nearly obsessive desire to be (and to appear) consistent with what we have already done. Once we have made a choice or taken a stand, we will encounter personal and interpersonal pressures tobehave consistently with that commitment. Those pressures will cause us to respond in ways that justify our earlier decision."–Influence

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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 23/Sep/2007 at 4:29pm
Excellent read. I have never felt as challenged in my concentrated portfolio approach then I have after reading this.
'The Thoughtful Investor: A Journey to Financial Freedom Through Stock Market Investing' - A Book on Equity Investing especially for Indian Investors. Book your copy now: www.thethoughtfulinvestor.in
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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 23/Sep/2007 at 4:53pm
Truly deep insight into human behavior with respect to money & finance.
 
But conviction bias is not a negative trait. Without bias, there would be no conviction and you will end up mostly going "with the flow". The ability of the mind to argue against the Market, the willingness to swim against the tide, is quite important too.
 
My feeling is that only 'new' investors would let conviction bias affect their decision of selling a stock whose fundamentals have deteriorated. Anybody who has seen a decent bear market would not have a blind love for a particular stock or company.
 
As they say, Experience is the Best Teacher.


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Quote deepinsight Replybullet Posted: 23/Sep/2007 at 5:13pm

Conviction is necessary for a concentrated portfolio. Concentrated portfolio often leads to outperformance. The issue here is its important to work through the risks of our own biases which can lead to underperformance.

One idea which I had read about which can help could be to think in probablities of outcomes instead of extremes. That allows our own mind to consider changes as they happen in our companies rationally and come to the right decisions. 
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 23/Sep/2007 at 7:37pm
Excellent topic & good discussion. Reminds of a quote from the Master...
 

Investing is not complicated. You work to find pockets of value. You didn’t need a high IQ. You need to have the courage of your convictions when everyone else was terrified. It was the same in 1974. People were paralyzed. You need to learn to follow logic rather than emotion. That’s easier for some people to do rather than others.---Warren Buffet

 

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Quote deepinsight Replybullet Posted: 24/Sep/2007 at 4:46pm

Common Mental Mistakes

1) Overconfidence

2) Projecting the immediate past into the distant future

3) Herd-like behavior (social proof), driven by a desire to be part of the crowd or an assumption that the crowd is omniscient

4) Misunderstanding randomness; seeing patterns that don’t exist

5) Commitment and consistency bias

6) Fear of change, resulting in a strong bias for the status quo

7) "Anchoring" on irrelevant data

8) Excessive aversion to loss

9) Using mental accounting to treat some money (such as gambling winnings or an unexpected bonus) differently than other money

10) Allowing emotional connections to over-ride reason

11) Fear of uncertainty

12) Embracing certainty (however irrelevant)

13) Overestimating the likelihood of certain events based on very memorable data or experiences (vividness bias)

14) Becoming paralyzed by information overload

15) Failing to act due to an abundance of attractive options

16) Fear of making an incorrect decision and feeling stupid (regret aversion)

17) Ignoring important data points and focusing excessively on less important ones; drawing conclusions from a limited sample size

18) Reluctance to admit mistakes

19) After finding out whether or not an event occurred, overestimating the degree to which one would have predicted the correct outcome (hindsight bias)

20) Believing that one’s investment success is due to wisdom rather than a rising market, but failures are not one’s fault

21) Failing to accurately assess one’s investment time horizon

22) A tendency to seek only information that confirms one’s opinions or decisions

23) Failing to recognize the large cumulative impact of small amounts over time

24) Forgetting the powerful tendency of regression to the mean

25) Confusing familiarity with knowledge

Source: Tilson's presentation referred earlier



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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 24/Sep/2007 at 11:51pm

Deepinsight....nice summary. That presentation is quite an eye-opener.

The following really stand-out:
 
Projecting the immediate past into the distant future
 
Misunderstanding randomness; seeing patterns that don’t exist

"Anchoring" on irrelevant data

Allowing emotional connections to over-ride reason

Embracing certainty (however irrelevant)

Overestimating the likelihood of certain events based on very memorable data or experiences (vividness bias)

Failing to act due to an abundance of attractive options

Ignoring important data points and focusing excessively on less important ones; drawing conclusions from a limited sample size

Reluctance to admit mistakes

After finding out whether or not an event occurred, overestimating the degree to which one would have predicted the correct outcome (hindsight bias)

Believing that one’s investment success is due to wisdom rather than a rising market, but failures are not one’s fault

Failing to accurately assess one’s investment time horizon

A tendency to seek only information that confirms one’s opinions or decisions

And last but not the least-----Confusing familiarity with knowledge

 
 
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Quote BubbleVision Replybullet Posted: 25/Sep/2007 at 2:42pm

"Traders see what they want to see, this presentation shows that the brain plays some tricks."

"New highs have surprised many people who, by continuing to expect an even bigger fall, are making one analytical blunder into two. From personal bitter experience, denial remains Enemy no 1 of the trader.

"I continue to enjoy the markets, since I have long accepted being a figure of fun!"

 

 

You can't make money if you are unwilling to lose...It's like willing to breathe in but not willing to breathe out. -- ED SEYKOTA ....Read Disclaimer!
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