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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 21/Sep/2006 at 1:55pm

I try to read a select set of books on a consistent basis. those names with a bit of write up are available at the section Investment resources.

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Quote India_Bull Replybullet Posted: 12/Nov/2006 at 8:54pm

Thanks Basantji....this is really a nice analysis.I do believe in being fully invested at all the times, just was thinking  for long that I didn't have enough cash to ride the crash....

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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 13/Nov/2006 at 10:26am

I would share another thought that crosses my mind each time a stock that I hold rises or falls. After looking at the stock in absolute terms I also look at it in PE or PEG terms for instance at Rs 377 Educomp  traded at a PE of 24 times current year at Rs 645 it trades at a PE of 40 times current year. SO this increase in price is brought about by a PE expansion which is more often then not a one time gain.

Now we need to look at it this way. Let us assume that the price rises to Rs 800 or Rs 1000 what happens in that case. WIth the present form of earnings (which cannot change unless we enter Fy 08) at Rs 800 the stock would trade at Rs 50 times current year or at Rs 1000 it would trade at 62 times current year. We now ask ourselves the simple question what happens if this stock rises to those levels and the answer is abvious that at those levels it becomes over valued on PE terms.
 
So does this mean that we exit the stock. Again the answer is that we would not in case the view is for more then 6 months because in that period of time the market would be discounting Fy 08 (EPS Rs 30plus) and the stock would not look that over valued.
 
Technical chartists call this phenomenon "consolidation".


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Quote xbox Replybullet Posted: 15/Nov/2006 at 4:28am
Earlier I posted in wrong forum...
Fundamental never works alone. It neither works in bear market nor in bull market. But it a great enabler. I helps analysing the stock. Stock picking is the most important factor. Under stock picking, only 2 factor are important ..
1. Right Sector
2. Right pick under 1.
 Even a bad company in good sector will outperform the markets (bear or bull). so if one picked right sector, assume he is almost done with it. There are very people who picks emerging stocks (though bottom up app) in good sector.
 
So if u pick good sector, u are 90% done. but if u get good company in good sector then it is called life time pick.
 Stocking picking is not as difficult as various discussion/experts make it. It is fairly simple process. But as sombody said that stock picking is art and science. we all can learn science (picking right sector) but art portion (picking right stock in right sector) is not everybody's cup of tea. As we all can not become painter of singer.
 
Disclaimer: It is my personal view. I take no responsibility on any damage incurred based upon this thinking
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Quote PrashantS Replybullet Posted: 15/Nov/2006 at 6:15am
Basantji, after reading your posts imust say your are a veyr good investor with a target inyour mind, but that has confused me to ...you have seen my portfolio should i concentrate it ,i like the idea of retiring but i did have something like that in my mind............Stick to value investing ...that is pick up small caps and stay invested ...........and invest only in 5 or 6 stocks...I am learning fast but really still have to pick up a lot .

What do you think....any advice ???


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Quote Equity Buff Replybullet Posted: 15/Nov/2006 at 8:18am
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Earlier I posted in wrong forum...
Fundamental never works alone.
 
Dear Vipul,
 
I agree with your above statement now, the operative word being alone.
Sometimes the stock market takes time to recognise Fundamentals. That is the reason many stocks which are fundamentally strong hardly move for months/years but then as soon as market recognises the fundamentals the stock moves upwards very fast giving multibagger returns. As they say Conviction and Patience pays. Also sentiments in the stock market play a big part.
 
I also believe a lot in the top down approach to investing. Identify the sector first and then the right stock in that sector.
 
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 15/Nov/2006 at 9:31am
Originally posted by PrashantS

Basantji, after reading your posts imust say your are a veyr good investor with a target inyour mind, but that has confused me to ...you have seen my portfolio should i concentrate it ,i like the idea of retiring but i did have something like that in my mind............Stick to value investing ...that is pick up small caps and stay invested ...........and invest only in 5 or 6 stocks...I am learning fast but really still have to pick up a lot .

What do you think....any advice ???


 
FOr the initial years it is advisable to be diversified and once conviction develops it is only a concentrated portfolio that can generate BIG returns. A diversified portfolio would give more of an index related return really but one needs to be cautious before concentrating it too much since it cuts both ways.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 02/Dec/2006 at 7:25pm
hello basant ji, i really like theway u invest that is to remain fully invested but it requires lot of belief and courage ...you the funny part is that young age there is lot of panic and you feel you could have added some more if u had the money in mind .....

wanted to ask you this question ...how did you react when the market went down...you must have got your stocks at a good price but still .....what do you do in such situations ...it is not the worry whcih causes the problem but when u see the history 1930.....when the streets went buy buy buy......u know what hapened ........ofcourse risk is there in any field .........but how do u react to this ..........you must have read lots of books to draw the power of conviction in yourself..........
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Prashant when the stocks went down like nine pins in June 2006 I was scared like a wet rabbit. Yes like every one else no matter how much experience you have accumulated there must be something wrong if you are not scared when the markets fall and you are 100% invested. I would like to confess that hwen I saw Tv 18 tank to Rs 328 I switched off my mobile and the Tv and started to divert my mind off from the market. But that cannot be done. Invariably people call up and say this has gone up to that and so on. Meanwhile that RD theory of getting into cash added to the panic. Most of my acquintances  are from the RD fan club and they were laughing all the way at the Bank - I told them Ok you are in cash 35% what about the other 65% but still they appeared smarter at that point in time.
 
I remember whjen Pantaloon went to Rs 1175  one of my inlaws called up and said " lo yeh toh ab Rs 100 ho gaya". I immediately cheacked up and found that we were still some hours/minutes from that price. he had sold at Rs 1500 odd when you sell a stock at Rs 1500 and it falls from that level you think that you are too smart not realising that it is becoming cheap with each rupee that it falls - that was my source of conviction
 
At all points in time I decided to maintain my position I sat back and thought that let us assume that these prices stay for a year then the sheer EPS growth would make these stocks very cheap and it would have to move up again.
 
At that time I had lost almost 45% of my portfolio from the peak and today it has recovered all of that and a few more but the point is with each passing year the recovery in price is higher then the fall so invariabily we build a "castle of mental strength" because with rising EPS the stocks can get only cheaper.
 
But the main point is I was worried, panicky, afraid, fearful, surprised, amazed, thunderstuck but al;l of these were a little less then my conviction so I managed to hold on.
 
In 2004 when the markets fell in May I experienced the same thing but at that time I had not made that much money from the markets so the feeling was one of not that much to lose.
 
One striking similarity was that in both the cases I read the October 1987 crash of the Dow Jones in One up on Wall street.
 
And for those investors who were holding cash nothing has changed except that the cash has been deployed in dud stocks or is at the bank - safe from the vagaries of the market.
 
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