Life with crude at US $100 and above!!!
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Forum Name: Crude & Agri commodities
Forum Discription: It is feared that if no new "large" oil fields are discovered we will soon run out of crude similar supply shocks are expected in coffee, corrn and sugar
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Topic: Life with crude at US $100 and above!!!
Posted By: basant
Subject: Life with crude at US $100 and above!!!
Date Posted: 28/Jul/2006 at 12:51pm
Life with crude at US $100 and above!!!
The best way is to buy crude futures and roll it over. But as we all know this cannot be done since only the experts can be lucky making money through trading. Before we look at what things to but let us analyze why crude will hit US $ 100 or more as we are now contemplating.
China today consumes 1.7 barrels of oil per person and looking at the way the economic superpower of the 21st century is adding to its demand for energy guzzling goods this figure is bound to go up many fold in the next decade and half. The car population in China is now twice of what it was in 2002 and up tenfold since 1994! India has a per capita oil consumption of only 0.7 barrels. By comparison Mexico consumes annually about 7 barrels of oil per capita and the entire Latin American continent around 4.5 barrels. In 1965 South Koreans used one barrel of oil per person by 1990, they scaled it up to 16 barrels per person. From 1950 to 1970, Japan went from one barrel to 17 barrels per person. And from 1900 to 1970, the U.S. went from one barrel to 28 barrels per person. Even if India and China were to come anywhere near these per capita oil consumption figures the business channels will have much to report and the oil consumers as much to regret.
Will Uncle Sam come to the rescue? It is clear that the US is aware of the repercussions of a rising crude. Their adventure in the Middle East is a substantial testimony to this. World over the US administration's strategic reserves have attracted quite an attention. What if the US decides to sell oil from its strategic reserve, which currently exceeds 630 million barrels? Marc Faber the eternal bull on commodities and crude opines “to sell daily 2 million barrels into the market amounting in total to 120 million barrels over a two month period would be an option if prices continued to soar". Also, since Chinese oil imports were up so far in 2004 by more than 40%, he suspects that some inventory accumulation has also occurred in the Middle Kingdom. He adds further "if the Chinese suddenly decided to curtail their oil imports the same way they stopped buying soybeans in March 2004 - an event which led to an almost 50% decline in that commodity - prices could come under some near term violent pressure". However this release of US oil reserves would in the longer term be bullish for oil since a supply overhang would have been reduced. As they say markets would do what they want to.
Here readers should distinguish that while in the early 1970's crude rose in the backdrop of slackening supply primarily instigated by the OPEC cutting production while the current oil rally is purely a function of increased demand. Faber calls the 1970s oil shock as "event driven" and today's oil price increase as being "structural in nature". Moreover since the US dollar is expected to depreciate against a basket of currencies a significant part of the rise in crude would be to offset the loss in the value of the dollar as the oil producers would like to be compensated more to make up for the rise in their local currency.
Supply constraints : On the other hand the possibility of pushing the total global oil production at above the current production levels of 80 million barrels per day is also remote. Records reflect that no major oil field has been discovered since 1965 and going by pure demand and supply logic the world seems to be running out of gas - literally.
Sectors to watch out for : A higher crude will surely benefit the two-wheeler companies. While people would not stop commuting their mode of transport would never the less be affected. A very high percentage of car buyers are the ones who graduate from the two-wheeler segments and these people would prefer riding their way to work rather pay up on rising crude.
While the oil marketing companies because of their inability to pass on increased cost to the consumers would bleed the oil producing (ONGC) and exploring companies (HOEL & Alphageo) would surely benefit. In the great California Gold rush people who chose to sell pick axes and shovels made fortune. Locating Gold was not certain but it was certainly important to buy tools if you wanted to look for Gold. Alphageo and HOEL fall into this category of satocks.
Check out for shipping companies like Mercator lines and GE shipping that own VLCC (very large crude carriers) as there would be increased demand for the additional crude to be transported from the producing to consuming centers. While crude will be explored so would the demand for its substitutes. Here one could take a look at Praj Industries and a host of sugar companies that manufacture ethanol a product that can be mixed up to 5% with diesel.
The real trick is not as much as to exit the losers as that would be done any way but to identify the winners since the smart money would chase those stocks. Most of us are still remain unperturbed by the rise in crude. As a friend of mine remarked "how does it matter I used to get my tank filled for Rs 200 prior to the rise and now also I continue to pay the same amount". Since we are a bit clever then that taking a long-term view on crude is certainly the need of the hour.
Any further ideas to hedge your car!!!
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 05/Sep/2006 at 7:08pm
Those who dont know still....
CHEVRON is being reported to have discovered significant Oil IN GULF OF MEXICO..... Note this is a very deep water discovery.
This is completely in line with my earlier reply to Vijay Sukhani else where on the forum
Here are the links...
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10007166.shtml - http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10007166.shtml
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=businessNews&storyID=2006-09-05T113222Z_01_N05321997_RTRUKOC_0_US-MARKETS-STOCKS.xml - http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=businessNews&storyID=2006-09-05T113222Z_01_N05321997_RTRUKOC_0_US-MARKETS-STOCKS.xml
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 05/Sep/2006 at 7:17pm
That seems very interesting. If we have a few more of these then all that talk of US $ 100 and above goes down the "deep sea".
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 05/Sep/2006 at 7:23pm
Absolutely....
But the Cost of extraction of the crude would be in the $35--$40 Range. So That could potentially become the major bottom for Crude....
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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 05/Sep/2006 at 8:05pm
Like interest rates its impossible to predict the price of oil except by gut feeling and reality may be quite different all the same,I feel.A month back I just read on and read on about it from various good sources and my gut feeling(wishful thinking?)is/was its headed down except for supply shocks.There is a lot of oil out there especially in Venezuela -technology to extract may improve over a longer time horizon-and some other sources which will come in at higher levels and most of the oil as few generally know comes from inefficient state-run companies and there is the possiblity that efiiciency may improve.(or is it the other way round?).Russia,a major supplier may enhance production.China is planning to cut oil useage and they are pretty good at achieving targets.India consumed less oil last year inspite of high GDP growth.Oil above 100 dollars would mean people in advanced countries would waste less money on private transportation(a major user of oil) and a recession might flush out the excess demand which caused the price rise which scenario assumes a temporary rise.
------------- Ajith
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 05/Sep/2006 at 8:58pm
Hardly anybody knows that for last 2 months Russia not Saudi Arabia is the largest oil producer in the world like every thing crude also has lot of speculation and I see crude at atleast $58 first then to $100, it is easier to say now you will but I said it at when oil was at $77, and I bought IOC at that time at Rs. 360, but one thing is for sure next round of bull ride will take it upto $ 100 but that is atleast in my mind atleast year or maybe year and half away but for crude you never know because it has lot of variable that affect its movement, but one thing is for sure that only demand alone will not take it upto $100 it has to be backed by lot of other varialbles which know one is sure of or can be sure off, for now crude is heading for sub $50`s.
Regards,
Reetesh.
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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 05/Sep/2006 at 10:29pm
When I posted my views on oil I had not heard the news on the oil discovery today and the subsequent price crash;I must have sounded wise after the event.
My only worry a month back was if oil went up from 77 dollars the stock markets would crash.
------------- Ajith
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 06/Sep/2006 at 8:16pm
Here is another link for those intrested in the complete analyssi of the oil find. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060905.wgulff0905/BNStory/Business/home - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060905.wgulff0905/BNStory/Business/home
That discovery could be very good for oil rigs companys.
The crude bulls will call for refining capacity.... but Saudi Aramco has been importing oil to refine and they are coming up with 5 new refineries in a couple of years.
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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 06/Sep/2006 at 9:31pm
Today I read in yesterdays FE about new and effective 3D imaging exploration technolgy for normal and difficult-to-locate oil .Maybe long-term bearish for oil?
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2006 at 3:09pm
Here they come......
Some hedge fund managers say they can't take any more losses.
Ospraie Management LLC, run by Dwight Anderson, liquidated the $250 million Ospraie Point Fund that fell 29 percent in the first five months of the year, in part because of wrong-way bets against commodity prices.
MotherRock LP, the hedge fund run by former New York Mercantile Exchange President Robert ``Bo'' Collins, told investors last month he planned to shut down because of a ``terrible performance'' as natural gas prices sank. Collins didn't return messages left at his office and on his mobile telephone for comment.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 14/Sep/2006 at 12:21pm
Big Picture view on CRUDE.....
The media has been all buzz declaring the death of the Crude bull, which has been on since 2002. Yes i would agree that this is the biggest fall in the prices ($16) in the last 16 years... but when we look at the %ages we get to know the clear picture....
The Crude fall in the last few days have shaken many of the long term crude bulls so i would like to throw some light on the path of crude oil since the rally began in 2002 at $19.00 - $20.00 level. It has had Three corrections bigger then the current one [(Mar-May-2003 Down 37.4%), (Nov-Dec-2005 Down 27.7%), (Sept-Nov 2005 Down 21.4%)]. The current fall is 17.2% so far. So we think that it would be premature to declare the bull market DEAD just yet.
The biggest fall in price terms came in 1990, when the crude fell from $40.00 to $16.00 ... That is a fall of $24.00. The current fall is $78.xx to $63.xx which is $15.00.
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 14/Sep/2006 at 7:16pm
Investment Gurus say 50% corerection can happen in bull market.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 14/Sep/2006 at 8:14pm
Reetesh ... actually the number is 20% from the top and the bull market is declated dead. But these things dont exactly apply to commosities as Gold
In 1974-75 dipped 50% from the top and continued with its bull run..
The sequence should make this clear
1970 Gold Was $35 per ounce
1974 Gold was $200 per ounce
1976 Gold was $100 per ounce
1980 Gold was $800 per ounce
Actually the bull continued from $35 To $800, But had a setback of 50% from the top in the middle
50% and 61.8% Retracements happen of a move... Example Gold would be $35 to $200 = Total Move = $165. Now there could be a retracements of 50% or 61.8% of $165
Generally commodities as an asset class display more volatility so Wave overlaps are allowed. However the bull in Stocks is declared Dead when there is a fall of 20% from the top.
These are generally rules.. They need not necessarily apply.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2006 at 6:45pm
And Now here they come
Calls for a $15 Crude
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003257679_oilconsumers14.html - http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003257679_oilconsumers14.html
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2006 at 6:56pm
Does it mean BubbleVision that "terror/weather premium" on futures was as high as US$30/35?
Fresh shorts can take the markets to any bottom.....
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2006 at 7:22pm
No, bubble vision, I dont know(Frankly I know but I`ll not repeat my mistake) where did you get this 20% from, but what ever I read and heard market guru saying is 30% to 40% is normal bull market correction and it can go down to 50% in abnormal conditions.
Reetesh.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2006 at 11:38am
WOW...Read This
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aEV7twLA5PXY&refer=home - http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aEV7twLA5PXY&refer=home
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2006 at 11:49am
Amaranth Advisors LLC, a hedge-fund manager with $9.5 billion in assets, warned investors that its two main funds fell almost 50 percent this month because of a plunge in natural-gas prices
A convertible-bond specialist who worked at Paloma for 10 years, Maounis started Amaranth with 27 investment professionals and about $450 million in assets. The firm's initial strategies included trading convertible bonds and the stocks of merging companies.
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Great link Bubble. All I can repeat is
" Markets can be irrational longer then you can stay solvent" - JM Keynes.
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 19/Sep/2006 at 12:04pm
" Markets can be irrational longer then you can stay solvent"
Sir, this can be used both ways and it is being used both ways in our market.. This is a political kind of quote..
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Sep/2006 at 12:19pm
Depends on what trade you are in. If you are short in a bull market or long in a bear one. Quote reinforces the principle that while the normal would happen you would not live to see it so it is better to follow the market rather the try and predict the change in course..
There is a book titled " When genius failed" try reading the summary or the whole book it talks about how a few Noble prize winners made their way into bankruptcy just becauise the market refused to revert back to the mean.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 19/Sep/2006 at 12:55pm
All the fund managers of Amaranth & their broke clients need to go on a pilgrimage to Baba Amarnath!
No wonder derivatives are called weapons of mass destruction!
Basantjee, the quote: "Markets can be irrational longer then you can stay solvent" - JM Keynes is applicable for people who are leveraged, gambling aimlessly on margin money...right?
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 19/Sep/2006 at 1:20pm
And Hopefully NOT to someone like me who uses them RATIONALLY.
The important Thing was that they were trying to capture a spread profit.. when it continued to go wild. "Natural Gas" is natuarally very risky.
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 19/Sep/2006 at 1:06am
See height of speculation unwind their position and run for cover.... 5 year bull market is over in Crude and at best it just might challange $77 in next one year or so and will be in range of $50 to $77...
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2006 at 7:03pm
I got a news just now.... This could be a Rumour...
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Steve A Cohen of SAC Capital (interview in MKT WZDS), holds big long positions in Crude taken above $73.00.. which could be another Amaranth in the making....He was the the second most profitable trader in the world last year when he made $1.5 Bln
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2006 at 7:28pm
BubbleVision you seem to work faster then the Business news channels!
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2006 at 7:57pm
While the crude corrects and goes up - but i do NOT think that it would touch $50 - nor do i think it would touch $100...
Everyone was shouting 7000 when it fell to 9000, But Did Sensex touched 7000 when it fell to 9000 ?
Think about it .. We do both - "feed" i.e fear and greed !
And Buffet said that these 3 emotions are..........
Originally posted by reetesh
See height of speculation unwind their position and run for cover.... 5 year bull market is over in Crude and at best it just might challange $77 in next one year or so and will be in range of $50 to $77... | -------------
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2006 at 8:15pm
This is someThing that i had posted on the forum on 26-Aug-06. Since most of the now regular members have joined recently, i would like to repeat....This was on a qquestion about PEAK OIL
"Example of a refilling oil field The Eugene Island story was revisited by the media three-and-a-half years later, by the Wall Street Journal (Christopher Cooper "Odd Reservoir Off Louisiana Prods Oil Experts to Seek a Deeper Meaning," Wall Street Journal, April 16, 1999). Something mysterious is going on at Eugene Island 330. Production at the oil field, deep in the Gulf of Mexico off the coast of Louisiana, was supposed to have declined years ago. And for a while, it behaved like any normal field: Following its 1973 discovery, Eugene Island 330's output peaked at about 15,000 barrels a day. By 1989, production had slowed to about 4,000 barrels a day. Then suddenly - some say almost inexplicably - Eugene Island's fortunes reversed.
The field, operated by PennzEnergy Co., is now producing 13,000 barrels a day, and probable reserves have rocketed to more than 400 million barrels from 60 million. Stranger still, scientists studying the field say the crude coming out of the pipe is of a geological age quite different from the oil that gushed 10 years ago. All of which has led some scientists to a radical theory: Eugene Island is rapidly refilling itself, perhaps from some continuous source miles below the Earth's surface. That, they say, raises the tantalizing possibility that oil may not be the limited resource it is assumed to be. "
This is also located on Global Economies Forum
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2006 at 8:46pm
I clearly remember this piece.In fact I had been thinking over the for the past few days (when ever I looked at the price of crude. Good to have us updated.
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2006 at 9:39pm
BubbleVision,
Really Strange ... Crude would never be exhausted from Earth !!
GOD and its Nature has its own ways - to surprise us (humans)
Thanx for Sharing..
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2006 at 11:56pm
Ever heard of a place called "shambhala"? Do a search on google.com for "shambhala" mystery and try to know its history, myth, and all details to understand its mystery.
There are many strange things around the world that most people dont know about and things that we see and hear about around the world is manipulated by media, governments and maybe by people who are even higher than the govts. of the world that we dont know about, who control the larger picture.
So, crude is just a small thing in that large context. Bottomline being, dont believe what media or govts. hand out to us or at least: always keep an open mind as anything is possible!
Out of topic here, so do the needful if required Mr. Basant.
Enjoy! 
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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2006 at 8:42am
Anything is possible on the crude oil front.Optimistically if India starts to become self-sufficient in oil in 6 years or crude cools off where is the rupee headed but up and the upward effect on sensex will be dramatic.But anything is possible..
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 22/Sep/2006 at 4:44pm
The Main cause of the fall on Amaranth was the lack of Hurricanes in Gulf this season. They were Trading on spread between winter months (short) and summer months (long). Had there been an active hurricane season, the Current contracts would have rallied leaving the Winter contracts behind, thereby increasing the spread between the contracts. But due to no hurricanes, the spread between the contracts collapsed, causing Amaranth to go bellyup.
Lesson for us: Please be careful while trading these strategies....
The primary cause of the lack of Hurricanes is potentially this....
"In May this year there was a massive volcanic eruption in Russia on the Kamchatka Peninsular which went unreported by Western media. Additionally, Soufriere in Montserrat also erupted again. The effects seem to have been to create large amounts of dust in the atmosphere. This dust has absorbed huge amounts of moisture especially in the Caribbean thus denying the tropical storms their fuel to develop into a hurricane. The forces of seemingly unconnected data have conspired against us all in our speculative endeavors!
"The next natural phenomenon will probably be an El Nino. Last year was a LaNina. El Nino + Volcanic dust = greater uncertainty than usual. The dust will tend to make North American weather colder than normal. An El Nino would tend to create a warmer winter. My gut instinct is for a colder and wetter Autumn that could impact the eastern corn belt around the Great Lakes, denting the expected bumper crop."
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 22/Sep/2006 at 10:22pm
The Oil Story No One’s Telling...
http://www.dailywealth.com/report/oil_report_1.html - http://www.dailywealth.com/report/oil_report_1.html
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 22/Sep/2006 at 10:27pm
Bubblevision, You look at technicals of OIL and other commodity, then would observe that between $46.2 and $48 there is gap and in technical term gaps needed to be filled so I think if oil goes below $55 then it is heading even lower and people will that commodity is not an asset class. Now even Jim Rogers not buying OIL at $60 and wants to BUY Emerging Market if they correct he was so bearish just 2 months back on EM except China and I bet one day he will SELL china and BUY INDIA.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 22/Sep/2006 at 10:30am
Reetesh -- i look at the continous contracts chart and data. Gaps can vary in commodities as there is a new contract every month. Gaps may also be need NOT be filled for a long time as we had a gap in TISCO chart from 1992, which was filled in 2003 after 12-Years. Currently the Crude is near an important Support of $60.00 which is its 21-Month MA. It has not broken below this since Apr-2003. This indicates its significance. On visually looking at the chart the next Major Support is at $55.00, a break below which is NOT expected at the current momment.
I personally dont trade crude or gas, however i recommend them to clients. Currently, the clients are holding shorts which were initiated near 70 and 69 region.
On EM -- the EM index is currently worrysome. I believe Jim will not Sell China, as he has already sold off his NY property and is planning to settle somewhere in singapore or HK. I would not bet against him.
Shale Oil -- frankly, i dont know much about them as unfortunately, i am not a geologist, however i had once read that the extraction cost of Oil would be very High, somewhere near $35-$40, Hence it would be in the interest of the Govts that "they" dont let the price of Crude fall much below that.
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 23/Sep/2006 at 12:05pm
Look crude between $40 to $50 is in my mind is acceptable to everyone and even I don`t want it to go below this level but I want will make no difference.
Mr.Roggers moving to asia is known fact because he see future here in the region.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 1:26pm
Interesting reading on Crude Oil:
http://equitymaster.com/detail.asp?date=09/25/06&story=5 - ".......therefore the next time some high profile agency tries to forecast crude prices, we should indeed take it with a pinch of salt."
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 4:30pm
Thanks Kulman nice read....
I guess we need to take every report of the media or elsewhere with a pinch of salt as who knows what the prices will do next and is this an interim bottom for crude or a long term (3-4 years) top has already been seen at $78.00.
Wasent the sensex in a bear market when at 8800.
The "pinch of salt" should be applicable to everything and not only crude.
The confidence in the market is directly proportional to the bullishness of the market. -- BubbleVision
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 06/Oct/2006 at 2:51pm
"Following the setback from $80 to $60 in crude oil Merrill Lynch is NOW changing their sector weighting to Underweight. What a timing!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 06/Oct/2006 at 2:55pm
Exactly. When OPEC said that they would cut production and not let it go below US $ 55.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 06/Oct/2006 at 2:57pm
Great timing by http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=213&PN=6 - Meryll Leech!
I remember having read somewhere about these merchant bankers/investment bankers:
THEY BORROW YOUR WATCH TO TELL YOU THE TIME, AND WALK AWAY WITH IT!
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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 06/Oct/2006 at 6:45pm
You want to know extreme of merryll Leech? They had buy on SIFY(Satyam Infoways) @400 Sell @ 2!! it is 9+ now!! I fail to understand why their their ratings matter?
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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 06/Oct/2006 at 6:59pm
Alberta oil: Oil mining(yes they will have to MINE oil) companies wont make much money. It is huge area so there would me many of them. Cost structure and competition will decide ROI and wont be significant. But mining equipment makers with good product, pipe makers, base metals are better investments.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 06/Oct/2006 at 7:09pm
Although not relevent to this forum ML was the last tech fund to be launched in India in March 2000 AFTER the Tech Bubble had busted....
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 09/Oct/2006 at 3:18pm
Amaranth Lost...Who Won?
Well it was John Arnold Of Centaurus Energy, A 3-Bln $ Hedge Fund based in Houston, TX
Here is the story
Arnold, head of $3 billion Houston-based Centaurus Energy, has generated gains approaching 200% so far this year, according to a person familiar with the former Enron trader and his fund. While Arnold, 32, didn't purposely trade against Amaranth, he likely benefited when the firm was struggling to exit its losing positions, traders said. Arnold's fund, which he started in 2002 in the wake of Enron's collapse, has now become the largest hedge fund specializing in energy trading. Centaurus is one of the first places traders go when they're seeking a market for natural gas positions. "They've set their tentacles into all of the liquidity pockets of the natural gas market," Art Gelber, president of Houston-based energy consulting firm Gelber & Associates, said. "It's certainly possible they made money from Amaranth's troubles - they're a really big player in the market and are knowledgeable enough to understand why Amaranth's positions might have been vulnerable." Marion Gammill, a spokeswoman for Arnold, said he declined to comment. "Phenomanal" returns Centaurus' performance was equally good in 2005 - a year in which other hedge fund firms, such as Citadel Investment Group and Ritchie Capital, stumbled in energy markets. Returns reached 160% last year, roughly doubling investors' money after fees, according to SparkSpread.com, a news Web site focused on energy trading. The firm's first full year in 2003 was "phenomenal" and 2004 was even better, helping Arnold earn an estimated $100 million to $150 million that year, according to Trader Monthly magazine. Centaurus has been closed to new investment for several years and Arnold has been returning money to investors because he wants to ultimately have only his own money and his colleagues' money in the fund, a person familiar with the manager said. Arnold has returned so much money that investors who got into Centaurus more than a year ago have probably got back more cash than they originally put in, the person added, on condition of anonymity. Arnold is tight-lipped about how he makes such big profits, but he gave a rare glimpse during this year's annual meeting of Cambridge Energy Research Associates, a top industry consultant. Arnold said he looks to place bets when he thinks a market has become "biased," moving prices away from what he considers fair value, according to a February report about the annual meeting by Platts Power Markets Week. After Enron's collapse, Arnold said hedge funds stepped in to handle speculative trading in energy markets, while companies and investment banks took on other parts of the market, Platts reported. Arnold's expertise is mainly in trading natural gas futures on the New York Mercantile Exchange, but Centaurus has diversified into many different types of energy trading. Centaurus is now investing in oil and gas exploration in the Gulf of Mexico. It's also building underground storage facilities, allowing the fund to release and inject natural gas as demand and supply fluctuates. In late 2003, Centaurus entered into two swap contracts with Koch Supply & Trading LP, allowing Arnold to bet on the future volatility of crude oil prices versus heating oil. Centaurus' biggest strength comes from its willingness to provide liquidity in natural gas markets all the time, said Nick Dazzo, who manages customer derivatives business in North and South America for Koch Supply & Trading. When energy companies want to lock in the price of the gas they sell one or two years into the future, Centaurus will take on that risk. The firm will also take on the opposite risk when a company that uses natural gas wants to buy it at a fixed price in the future, he said. "Investment banks and firms like Koch act as intermediaries in the market, but are limited in what risks they can take on," Dazzo added. "Centaurus is able to take on more of this risk." By interacting constantly with lots of different market participants, Centaurus gets one of the best insights into market movements, he explained. "They don't sit back and attempt to divine the market without engaging," he said. "They have a network of contacts in the market that they use." High profile, low profile At five foot ten, with brown-reddish hair and boyish looks, Arnold seems younger than his 32 years, say people who have met him. While he's often feted by brokers during excursions into Houston's social scene, he remains low-key and conservatively dressed, according to a person who knows him personally and professionally. He recently got engaged. "He was delightful to work with and very down to earth and sincere," said Elisa Bentivoglio, who designed the interior of Centaurus' 8,000 foot offices in Houston. "He's interested in art and culture. It was nice to have a client who appreciates good design." But despite enriching his investors and trying to keep a low profile, Arnold has upset some people in Houston. He bought a historic property known as Dogwoods in the same up-scale River Oaks neighborhood as former Enron executives Kenneth Lay and Jeff Skilling. The house is next door to Bayou Bend, another historic home that's part of Houston's Museum of Fine Arts and is famous for its collection of American decorative arts. When Arnold began demolishing the home - valued at roughly $4.9 million with the land - he angered some locals who worry the city's heritage is being developed away. "I'm an opponent of John Arnold and all he stands for," said Jane Dale Owen, president of Clean, an organization that focuses on environmental issues in the Houston area. "He took some of the money that Enron stole from investors and used it to buy that house," she added. "Now it's been demolished and an ugly, modern house is being built in its place. I see it as ill-gotten gains for an ill-gotten purpose." Arnold has yet to begin building his new home and the lot is currently empty. Last year, he told the River Oaks Examiner, a local paper, that he worked hard to find architects who would preserve the "integrity of the site and the neighborhood." Like his energy trading, Arnold appears to only have become interested in buying the house after its price became more attractive. The home was on the market for roughly half of the past two decades and the price was cut drastically. Still, as Owen's comments suggest, the regulatory taint of Enron continues to follow Arnold, possibly explaining why he rarely talks publicly. He has never been charged with any wrongdoing in connection with Enron. "We don't really discuss what we do," he said in a rare interview with the New York Times in January. Enron's shadow As one of the most successful Enron alumni, Arnold is sometimes cited by critics of hedge funds' participation in energy markets, claiming they've made prices more volatile for end users such as companies and consumers. In May, Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., suggested that Centaurus and other hedge funds might be manipulating energy markets. "In the absence of much needed consumer protections, former Enron traders who played a central role in artificially inflating electricity rates throughout the West prior to Enron's collapse continue to make millions in unregulated energy markets at the expense of American consumers," the senators said in a statement. "One of the Enron traders who booked $750 million in natural gas contracts in 2001, subsequently started Centaurus Energy, a hedge fund company that trades energy commodities," they added. "American consumers need to be assured that the dramatic escalation in oil prices is not once again the result of energy market manipulation." Arnold, who graduated from Vanderbilt University, rose to prominence in Enron's massive energy trading division, becoming head of natural gas derivatives trading. In 2001, when he was 27, he single-handedly made the company $750 million, according to the Houston Chronicle. In 2000, Arnold was often described by Enron public relations as the person who traded one-third of the natural gas market for the company, Platt's Power Markets Week reported earlier this year. "He was not afraid of size," said Tom Lord, president of the commodity-markets consultant Volatility Managers and a former Morgan Stanley natural gas trader. "In natural gas markets in the late 1990's, there were probably four or five people willing to do large trades. He was one of them." When Enron collapsed, the company sold a big chunk of its energy trading business to Swiss bank UBS AG. But Arnold decided to start his own hedge fund instead. Centaurus now employs more than 40 people and half of its roughly 20 traders used to work at Enron. Greg Whalley, Enron's former president, works with Arnold at Centaurus. While Arnold is currently flying high, he remains sober about the future, according to a person familiar with the Centaurus manager. Arnold intuitively knows that what happened to Amaranth last month could happen to anyone, the person said. "There are lot of smart people in our business, but there's also a fair degree of attitude as well," Koch's Dazzo said. "John is a very smart guy without the attitude." End of Story Alistair Barr is a reporter for MarketWatch in San Francisco.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 31/Oct/2006 at 3:26pm
A very good interview of Jim Rogers http://www.cattlenetwork.com/content.asp?contentid=80091 - Here....
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 03/Nov/2006 at 11:18pm
Whether Veeru (Sehwag) scores one or not, but as per http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B1F05D3D4%2DC64A%2D450D%2D95BC%2D7A5EE221F1AE%7D&siteid= - this report ....Crude is going to hit century mark!
Hmmm.....interesting........Mungerilals are short 'big time' in crude!
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Posted By: b_kothari2001
Date Posted: 23/Nov/2006 at 9:27am
Basant jee,
In the context of Oil Future I would put something from a well known Investment advisor:
"Right now, Americans have 148 million cars, the Chinese have 19 million, and the Indians, all billion of them, have nine million cars. By 2050, Goldman Sachs projects the Americans will have 233 million cars, the Chinese will have 514 million cars and the Indians will have 610 million cars. The Americans with 148 million cars already consume a quarter of the world's oil.
If you add this many cars in China and India, the price of oil is going to go to $300 barrel. At $75-$80 a barrel, fuel cells become very competitive. We'll be forced by, say, 2015-2020 to replace traditional internal-combustion engines running on gasoline with fuel cells running on hydrogen because we simply won't be able to afford those very high oil prices coming from this huge increase in the automobile population of China and India."
Any Opputiunity and concern point for the same.
Cheers,
Bharat
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 23/Nov/2006 at 10:59am
That was quite a bit of statistic. Very interesting!
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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 23/Nov/2006 at 11:21am
b_kothari2001,
Very intresting report. But..
I dont think these projections are going to be achieved. For oil lets say we move to fuel cell but what abt rubber/lead/copper/zinc?
We already have congestion on roads. US has congestion in many parts with 148 m cars with many times size of india. So we need to have multi-storied roads too for 610m cars.
We need so much material I dont think that is simply possible unless we start mining other planets.
On opportunity:
http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/zinc_historical_large.html#lmestocks_6months - http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/zinc_historical_large.html#lmestocks_6months
Look at second last chart of stock level in zinc. If drawdown continues at same rate in <3 months there will be real shortage. Zinc shortage is not going away before 2009-10 unless there is serious recession in China. After that we may see some production but demand growth can really eat all new supply even then.
In one year demand was 360,000 tons more than supply. Fortunately we had stock last year. If situation doen't improve, we dont have stock now and zinc has not substitute. So those who has zinc is sitting on gold mone.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 06/Dec/2006 at 9:35pm
Read this one .....very interesting....
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aRJS57CQQbeE&refer=news - Amaranth's $6.6 Billion Slide Began With Trader's Bid to Quit
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Nicholas Maounis, founder of the Amaranth Advisors LLC hedge fund, made a decision in April 2005 that eventually cost him his firm.
His promising natural-gas trader, Brian Hunter, had been offered a $1 million bonus to join Steven Cohen's SAC Capital Advisors LLC. Maounis, who had built his Greenwich, Connecticut- based fund to $6 billion in assets, didn't want Hunter to go.
Convertible bond and equity prices were falling and oil and natural gas prices were increasing, making Hunter's expertise more valuable. So Maounis named Hunter co-head of the energy desk and gave him control of his own trades.
Hunter, within 17 months, would be responsible for $6.6 billion in losses, detonating the biggest hedge fund implosion ever. Since Amaranth's sudden collapse, investors have questioned the unusual trust Maounis put in his star trader, now 32. They say Maounis gave Hunter too much latitude and that Hunter, trading more than half the firm's assets, was blinded by a bet that had worked like a charm for two straight years. ....................
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 06/Dec/2006 at 11:50am
Interesting kulman....
Now Steven Cohen must be counting his stars... No wonder that there was a Buzz earlier that SAC was also in trouble after the Fall in Crude and Natural Gas earlier in the year.
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Posted By: catcall
Date Posted: 08/Dec/2006 at 7:24pm
When one thinks of 'Life with crude at US $ 100 and above", the first thought that comes to my mind is........
BUY Suzlon by the heaps!!!
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 09/Dec/2006 at 2:10pm
US Hurricane Season 2007 Update
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Expert predicts 14 named storms in 2007 FORT COLLINS, Colo. - "The 2007 Atlantic hurricane season should have above-average activity, a top hurricane researcher said Friday. Colorado State forecaster William Gray predicted 14 named storms next year, including three major hurricanes and four other hurricanes."
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 04/Jan/2007 at 9:05am
With the Death of Saddam.....
Crude seems to be discounting "Iraq coming online with production some time in 2007". This is a "Changing Fundamentals" theme now.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 05/Jan/2007 at 1:00pm
Crude closed yesterday at its lowest level since 08-June-05!
Take that a 1.5 year closing Low.
From "Peak Oil" to "Peak Prices"....Quite a Journey!
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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 05/Jan/2007 at 1:35pm
Crude cooling off could have negative impact on renewable energy companies as govts across the world may withdraw subsidies unless the politicians are compelled to continue under direct or indirect pressure from environmental groups/voters.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 06/Jan/2007 at 5:43pm
Whatever explaination/reason/justification for this cooling off in Crude prices, some Mungerilals are feeling that they are being unfairly punished alongwith Saddam & Associates!
There is another school of thought which says that such dips or spikes are to trigger the 'smart' stop losses & to fool the traders of reversal of trend!
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 06/Jan/2007 at 7:33am
Wow.....A stop hunt from $78.00 to $55.00... for the last 10 months.....
What cannot be explained fundamentally...blame it on a "stop hunt"..."Smart" interesting logic. ...those who say this themselves are "Fools"...
If there are stops below $55.00 then those belong to the longs... who are believe in the Bullish Fundamental "Peak Oil" theory.... Shorts would be having stops above the market.
Trend Reversed at $70.00 and NOT at $55.00....
At $55.00... the trend just continues ...towards I dont know.
May be if this is a stop hunt bottom... then I dont know...but if it is.. then I know how to deal with it.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 06/Jan/2007 at 9:11am
Quite an interesting term: "stop hunt"!
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May be if this is a stop hunt bottom... then I dont know...but if it is.. then I know how to deal with it.
If you could post your strategies, it might assist few Mungerilals who read this forum. Unki dua milegi aap ko.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2007 at 10:01am
If you could post your strategies
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Kulman - I think my Long term bearish view on Crude and Copper was well known over here. I had posted them at various points of time.
I would definately post here if there is a change in view.
My longer term "Contrarian" -- Trend Following stretegy is well known.
I follow the trend of Prices....and prices alone....
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 09/Jan/2007 at 5:58pm
Crude getting smashed today once again. It is now at $54.21... at its low.
This world is certainly "Swimming in Oil"
The Fall just continues.....
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 09/Jan/2007 at 6:44pm
Guys... Its the http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2007/01/gsci_cuts_energ.html - Goldman Regig once again that has changed the world of crude Oil... Now a Low of $53.88
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 09/Jan/2007 at 10:08pm
Thanks BubbleVision, for your views & more so for informing us about Goldman Sucks' rejig. So, they are at it again after predicting US$105.
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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 09/Jan/2007 at 10:56pm
Can anyone explain the relation between Gold and Crude
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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 09/Jan/2007 at 4:35am
There is no 1 to 1 relation betn crude and gold. But when crude goes up, inflation goes up in general. When inflation goes up, people buy gold as hedge to inflation. Lot of energy is needed to make gold. So cost of production also goes up when crude goes up.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 09/Jan/2007 at 11:12am
I know a Mungerilal who had established excellent co-relational facts and figures between futures listed below. He trades on those relationships.
Gold-Crude
Gold-USD
USD-Euro
Silver-Copper
Guar Gum-Guar
Natural Gas-Winter Forecast
Zinc-Nickel
Potato-Wheat
Bovespa-Crude
Silver-Gold Ratio
Crude-ONGC
Over a period of time when the relationship becomes obvious to all the players....the markets, without any prior signal of course, starts trading contrary....not only wiping out all the previous profits but also making the players pay heavily as by that time they've got overconfident.
Where's that Martin Pring's quote?
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 10/Jan/2007 at 12:34pm
USD-Euro
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Strange... both trades against each other....
That Martin Pring quote is here
For Most of us the task of beating the markets is not difficult.... It’s the job of beating ourselves that proves to be overwhelming.... Martin Pring
I will write interesting Incident of Gold-Crude marriage and Divorce in a while... as soon as i have time
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 10/Jan/2007 at 12:41pm
I won't know...some commodity v/s Euro may be.
Yes, that Gold-Crude divorce could be interesting. Does it happen once a year or not that often?
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 10/Jan/2007 at 12:47pm
Very Often....if one is following Short term trend...
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 11/Jan/2007 at 9:08am
It see that it may take some time for me to write about Gold-Crude Relationship... So i would highlight some of the Interesting Research on this topic off the web.
http://www.zealllc.com/2000/goldinoil.htm - Link
http://www.zealllc.com/2004/goldoil4.htm - Link
http://www.zealllc.com/2005/gorex2.htm - Link
http://www.zealllc.com/2005/gorex3.htm - Link
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 11/Jan/2007 at 9:11am
Ohh....so much to read!?
Anyway, where is this slide going to stop?
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 11/Jan/2007 at 9:11am
Natural Gas..... Is currently trading with a $6 Handle currently but I get reports that it may trade with a $4 Handle (or even a $3 Handle) some time during the year.... Interesting ... Very Interesting...
Personally I dont track Natutal Gas but would now keep an eye on.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 11/Jan/2007 at 9:14am
Infact On the Monthly charts... The slide has just begun!.... Unless OPEC spoil the party... This is very very Significant break below $55.60 On a Monthly chart. It gives us a perfect SHS on the TOP.
The 50-Month MA by the way is at $48.67.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 12:32pm
The Saudis have assumed an Oil price of $42.00 in their Annual Budget for 2007.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 01/Feb/2007 at 10:22pm
Crude over 58, murda billi ki chhalaang?
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 01/Feb/2007 at 10:26pm
See.... it still closed lower by 4.77% in Jan-07. it certainly looks like murda billi..... i am not buying unless i see a clear higher low and a higher high sequence.....on weekly charts.
There has been a significant Damage on the monthly chart in the fall between 2005 and early 2006. For that to reverse at the current level.... crude needs to make a base first.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 01/Feb/2007 at 10:29pm
Not Buying but not selling just now. Would like to see a fall before going fresh short.
Gold-Crude is in a Divorce period.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 01/Feb/2007 at 10:38pm
Take a Look at the Crude chart here http://www.fullermoney.com/content/2007-01-31/clW.png - Weekly
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 01/Feb/2007 at 10:59pm
Very intriguing .....Thanks.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 9:22pm
murda billi mein bahut jaan baaki hain kya?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 9:27pm
murda billi mein bahut jaan baaki hain kya?
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Uchchalne ki jaan (Dead cat bounce!)
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 3:16am
HopeFully .... Bahut jaan baki nahin hain.. But i have been wrong on this one in the last few days... I had initianally not thought that there was so much Jaan in first place.
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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 7:14am
What is the relation between Gold and Crude ? or is it between dollor and curde? or is it
GOLD : CRUDE : CURRENCY
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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 7:16am
And is there any relation between stock markets and crude ................?
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 7:25am
Here is the relationship between Crude and Stock markets
http://www.page88.co.za/cr/oil-stocks-bull-bear.shtml - Oil is always bullish for stocks
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 07/Feb/2007 at 3:43pm
No more Goldman's regig... Now matters upto S&P...
"Goldman Sachs (NYSE:GS - news) has agreed to sell its GSCI commodity index to Standard & Poor's for an undisclosed amount. The move will give S&P a potentially powerful influence on commodity markets as any changes to the index composition can have wide ramifications for underlying commodity prices. The GSCI, the world's leading commodity index, has about $60bn tracking it. Most of these funds are managed by Goldman, which is the largest commodities trader among investment banks. The management of these funds will not change as a result of the transaction."
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 10/Feb/2007 at 7:42pm
According to a theory by commodity-walla Mungerilal; Crude spiked above $60 briefly as most short traders had $60.20 as Stop-Loss.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 10/Feb/2007 at 8:11pm
Yesterday's High was $60.80
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 12/Feb/2007 at 9:21pm
Today in the world of commodities land ...its the turn of Natural Gas...currently down 6%
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 8:36am
Interesting Forecast from .....Sanford C. Bernstein & Co.
February 16, 2007
OIL will drop more than 30 per cent to $US40 a barrel in March and may drop to $US30 as rising prices for storing crude lead to a "breaking point" that forces speculators to sell, according to investment bank Sanford C. Bernstein & Co.
Oil will slide because greater investment in commodity futures has driven the market into "contango", according to analysts led by London-based Neil McMahon. The phenomenon occurs when futures prices rise above spot prices, often reflecting handling or storage costs. "As storage fills up, storage costs rise and the contango widens," the analysts said in a February report. "At some point, investors will reallocate money away from the commodity funds, causing futures prices to fall."
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 8:48am
$30!...........
Goldman had predicted $100+ 
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 9:06am
One cant trust these investment bankers...
It would be important that after "Predicting" $100, Goldman broke OIL through those Regigs....
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 20/Feb/2007 at 3:25pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6376639.stm - US 'Iran attack plans' revealed
US contingency plans for air strikes on Iran extend beyond nuclear sites and include most of the country's military infrastructure, the BBC has learned.
It is understood that any such attack - if ordered - would target Iranian air bases, naval bases, missile facilities and command-and-control centres.
The US insists it is not planning to attack, and is trying to persuade Tehran to stop uranium enrichment.
The UN has urged Iran to stop the programme or face economic sanctions.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 26/Mar/2007 at 1:12am
javascript:cnnVideo%28play,/video/business/2007/03/26/kathleen.madigan.oil.cnn,2009/03/25%29; - For laughs: Oil prices and pirates (source: cnn)
Comedian Kathleen Madigan gives her take on the unpredictable world of the oil futures market. ( javascript:cnnVideo%28play,/video/business/2007/03/26/kathleen.madigan.oil.cnn,2009/03/25%29; - more )
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 29/Mar/2007 at 7:41pm
No wonder crude's ralling...Look who's back
"Brian Hunter’s quick return to the energy trading business has surprised some. Others found this comeback inevitable. Says one industry insider, “What happened at Amaranth was a rare, one-off loss that hardly erases the hundreds of millions he made for people over the years." Others must agree, as word is Hunter has already raised around $750 million to $800 million." trader daily
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 29/Mar/2007 at 8:29pm
So the Shikari is back. When is the next Shikaar is something we can debate on.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 30/Mar/2007 at 2:21pm
Hunter's new fund is called Solengo Capital.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 03/Apr/2007 at 7:12pm
QUOTE=Mr. V]
Brian Hunter has started a new Hedge fund called Solengo Capital. The fund reportedly has raised close to 1 billion dollars and is funded by Arab Sheikhs. The fund also promises to keep Hunter in a leash http://www.dealbreaker.com/2007/03/solengo_capital_is_born.php - http://www.dealbreaker.com/2007/03/solengo_capital_is_born.php
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Victor...
The Hunter has claimed its first target also. He has sued dealbreaker for posting the news. http://www.dealbreaker.com/2007/04/post_163.php#c028730 - Click
However I had reported the deal a couple of days ago. BasantJi..Careful!!!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 03/Apr/2007 at 7:24pm
Originally posted by BubbleVision
Victor...
The Hunter has claimed its first target also. He has sued dealbreaker for posting the news. http://www.dealbreaker.com/2007/04/post_163.php#c028730 - Click
However I had reported the deal a couple of days ago. BasantJi..Careful!!!
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So after that Sebi threat this is the new one. Bhai log jara samhaal ke posts daalo nahi toh hunter Lala a jayenge!
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