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Topic: Cricket v/s Market
Posted By: kulman
Subject: Cricket v/s Market
Date Posted: 17/Mar/2007 at 9:50am
Originally posted by manishdave
Posted: Today at 12:15am
Originally posted by basant

Tata Steel is good to the extent that it has limited downside risk not sure about immediate upsides though. ALso the steel cycle turning could put it in some serious discomfort.
 
Tisco owns high quality iron ore mines and its own coal mines. and both mines are close so there is permenant cost advantage. Investor also need to look for life of cycle. In good time it will generate tons of cash. I would put it this way. Even if fast bowlers are generally better, one should not ignore spinners on turning track.
 
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I must say that Manish Dave jee makes a very valid argument.
 
While I'm just a novice, here are my views maybe out of inexperience or ignorance.
 
Imagine that one is a Batsman. It is not needed to play swinging deliveries outside the off-stump (where 3 slips & a gully is waiting for a nick).
 
If one waits patiently for loose deliveries in 'comfort zone' (circle of competence) & hits the same with full power (money), the chances of scoring a sixer are very high. Remember how the likes Gavaskar & Boycott used to (sometimes) just leave some deliveries alone for the 'keeper to collect!
 
Cricket aur Market mein shaayad yahin fark hain: One need not swing (have a go) at every delivery. Just be patient enough for the easy ones. This is to have a perfect balance between scoring opportunities vis-a-vis margin of safety.
 
Of course each person would have different 'comfort zone' (circle of competence). Some would increase the size of this circle with practise & experience.
 
This way your chances of getting out to Murali's doosra (googly) are reduced!!!
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 17/Mar/2007 at 10:59am
Cricket and Trading... Both require patience
 
Here is an analogy form the Market Wisards...
 

The Importance of Patience…

 

 

Mark Weinstein provided the following apt analogy: "Although the cheetah is the fastest animal in the world and can catch any animal on the plains, it will wait until it is absolutely sure it can catch its prey. It may hide in the bush for a week, waiting for Just the right moment. It will wait for a baby antelope, and not Just any baby antelope, but preferably one that is also sick or lame. Only then, when there is no chance it can lose its prey, does it attack. That, to me, is the epitome of professional trading."



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You can't make money if you are unwilling to lose...It's like willing to breathe in but not willing to breathe out. -- ED SEYKOTA ....Read Disclaimer!


Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 17/Mar/2007 at 11:00am

"I just wait until there is money lying in the comer, and all I have to do is go over there and pick it up." -- Jim Rogers



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You can't make money if you are unwilling to lose...It's like willing to breathe in but not willing to breathe out. -- ED SEYKOTA ....Read Disclaimer!


Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 17/Mar/2007 at 11:02am

"There is the plain fool who does the wrong thing at all times anywhere, but there is the Wall Street fool who thinks he must trade all the time."

 
 -- Jessie Livermore


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You can't make money if you are unwilling to lose...It's like willing to breathe in but not willing to breathe out. -- ED SEYKOTA ....Read Disclaimer!


Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 17/Mar/2007 at 11:09am
Nice one on Cheetah's patience.
 
Yahan kya hota hain: Mungerilal dekhta hain ke kaise uske neighbour, boss, junior, relative ne shikaar kiya tha (earned money from Market)! Aur bechara jalan (envy) mein khud kisi cheetah pe attack karta hain....can't miss the rally mein khhud shikaar ban jaata hain.
 
So far, no one can beat Martin Pring's words. Even at the cost of repeatition, pls post them here again.


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Life can only be understood backwards—but it must be lived forwards


Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 17/Mar/2007 at 11:16am
For Most of us the task of beating the markets is not difficult.... It’s the job of beating ourselves that proves to be overwhelming....
 
Martin Pring 
 
www.pring.com


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You can't make money if you are unwilling to lose...It's like willing to breathe in but not willing to breathe out. -- ED SEYKOTA ....Read Disclaimer!


Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 17/Mar/2007 at 11:16am

"I like to go for cinches. I like to shoot fish in a barrel. But I like to do it after the water has run out"

---Warren Buffet in Oct'03 talking with Wharton MBA students
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 17/Mar/2007 at 11:29am
I call investing the greatest business in the world because you never have to swing. You stand at the plate, the pitcher throws you General Motors at 47 US Steel at 39 and nobody calls a strike on you. There’s no penalty except opportunity lost. All day you wait for the pitch you like, then when the fielders are asleep you step up and hit it - Warren Buffet

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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 18/Mar/2007 at 6:43pm
What a Co-incidence!!....Book Review in Hindu Business Line is also about Cricket and Investing......
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Cricket is about scoring runs while not losing wickets. Similarly, achieving success in finance is about maximising wealth despite risks. It is an exercise no different from `building up an innings bit-by-bit, run-by-run capitalising on opportunities and preserving profits,' writes Sanjiv Mehta in Winning the Wealth Game, from Tata McGraw-Hill (www.tatamcgrawhill.com).

The book brims with lessons from cricket that you can well adopt for making money. Such as laying a solid foundation. "Imran Khan, after winning the 1992 World Cup, said that retaining wickets and consequent ability to accelerate was an important factor for their success," recounts the author. Solid foundation in an investment portfolio means paying attention to liquidity, safety, and acceleration with yield-enhancing assets.

Use the right technique, he advises. As would Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting, Jayasuiya and Gilchrist, the stars with good averages and strike rates, thanks to consistency and rapidity in scoring. "Beauty of the wealth game is the same: just by following basic investment principles, it is possible to consistently make high returns."

While cricket uses the scorecard to organise information, you can use the four-square scorecard that Mehta prescribes, for recording incomes and expenses, assets and liabilities. The four squares are not standalone; they have deep connections. For example, an added liability can cause a spike in expenses and consequently erode savings, leading to deceleration in asset build-up.

Determine your wealth strategy by first `assessing the pitch', that is, assess the stage of the economic cycle. "When the economy is growing at a brisk rate, inflation is low and controlled, companies are doing well and their earnings are growing - this is a stage that is very good for stocks."

Cultivate a winning mindset and avoid behavioural traps like the herding instinct, self-attribution bias, representative bias, cognitive dissonance, loss aversion, and anchoring. Cricketers too need the right mindset. Why else do you think it was necessary to have Sandy Gordon, a professor of psychology at the University of Australia, advise the Indian team around the time of the last World Cup?

"India had started very poorly in World Cup 2003. Their performance in the first two matches led to unprecedented crowd anger back home. Sandy's techniques including the team huddle contributed to the Indian team lifting itself and creditably reaching the final," narrates Mehta.

Part 3 of the book is about `selecting the team'. The author devotes a chapter to each of the team components, as follows: top strikers (stocks), wicketkeeper-batsman (real-estate), steady batsman providing stability under difficult conditions (debt), players over the hill (small-savings schemes), absolutely necessary twelfth man (insurance), sheet anchor (retirement planning), genuine all-rounders or bits and pieces players (structured products and derivatives), and reserve players (alternative asset classes).

`Cricket strategies for financial freedom' that you can read between the overs.



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