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Topic: Infoedge-About Jobs,marriages & real est.
Posted By: RAKESH
Subject: Infoedge-About Jobs,marriages & real est.
Date Posted: 19/Oct/2006 at 4:38pm

sir,how good is the new ipo info edge it has great sites like naukri.com etc can i invest in it  (are the valuations cheap)

 
 



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Oct/2006 at 4:54pm

This could become big. really big keep a very close eye on this. It is an extension of our Internet story.But the valuations appear a bit stiff compared to the other player TV18 which looks to be very very attractively valued.

Info edge holds interesting properties like 99 acres.com; naukri.coim; jeevansaathi.com.


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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 19/Oct/2006 at 10:01am

Info Edge should list @ trailing p/e of 80-100. If it lists at p/e of 50-60 it is bargain. Rediff is priced @ 30 times sale of '05 and that includes a Newspaper in US where margin/growth are not comparable to portal. But their margin on partal is 75% which is much higher than Info Edge. Both brands are strong so my estimate is 1200Cr mkt cap on listing. Besides this is first and only pure portal listing so there is going to be demand at any price.

 
Can somebody give information on ipo priceband?


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Oct/2006 at 10:09am
Manish I think it is around Rs 290. Last year they made a US 3 million profit and had sales of US $ 18.6 million. SO trailing PE is 58 times on IPO price. Listing will be at 30% - 50% premium (scarcity factor). I ma sure once the stock lists people will look at it not just from a PE point of view. The operating leverage is immense for portal companies.

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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 22/Oct/2006 at 11:02pm
Hi,
 
Do anyone has any idea when this IPO is going to be open? Looks one of the interesting new IPO apart from DLF and MCX.
 
Could soemone pls explain the relation between Fin Tec and MCX?
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 22/Oct/2006 at 8:56am
The Infoedge IPO shoulkd open on the last week of Oct and merits subscription.  Fin tech holds 61% in MCX and that value unlocking will happen once MCX comes out with its IPO.

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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 05/Nov/2006 at 3:22pm
Sir, People are so euphoric about Infoedge as Internet play  but actual Internet revenue is very little, they just have a frontend which is a portal except that there is nothing as far as Internet goes and very little revenue come from there, so whats the buzz? If Infoedge is Internet play then India Bulls,Geojit,Indiainfoline is as much a Internet play as is Infoedge is if not more.. Just a tought...
 
Any view on Zodiac Clothing as premium retail & brand play this is one of my 10 bagger...


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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 05/Nov/2006 at 5:59pm
Yup Zodiac still holds 1.2 million shares or around 3% in Shopper Stop. 
 
About Infoedge I will again repeat that very little revenue is coming through there Web Site(s), it is just acting like an enabler. I agree with your figures that they will do but how much is through their web site(s)?  Answer is  very little... 


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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 05/Nov/2006 at 6:26pm

Companies who look for people they give them money as royalty or commission, Resume creation,etc, majority of the work are off-line, very little as ads...



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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 06/Nov/2006 at 12:57pm

I am getting extremely worried about this hype on Infoedge(and thereby, its rubbing off on TV18 valuations as well)

Like i mentioned in one of my earlier posts, its not that easy to make money
from web business. Raghav talking about matching his TV revenues from
the internet in 3 years time, is something which is going to be extremely
difficult.

Oversubscription levels of infoedge is also very concerning.
This could lead to a flurry of dotcom IPOs, and beleive that will be
the turning point, the bubble will burst, if not now, after a few
quarter results of Info edge after they list.



Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 06/Nov/2006 at 1:37pm
Markets are known to do strange things, whether this is hype or hope can be answered only by time. As long as there is some one ready to pay a price to some body we can only avoid looking at things in which we do not feel comfortable.
 
If it crashes that would affect the people who were invested  but to preempt that crash is like timing the markets which is very difficult to do.


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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 06/Nov/2006 at 2:53pm

It is futile to compare an Infoedge to a TV18. TV18 revenue model from its internet ventures is based on completely different grounds. Before deciding on anything and comparing Infoedge to TV18, please try and find out the history of wsj(wallstreet journal) and how long it has been around. We all know how it has survived and prospered. Shaadi and Naukri are very narrow usages of internet but TV18 is into the media business so anytime they want to start off a new internet business, they can leverage their media properties(internet and on TV) in a very big way.

 
 
And talking of DOT com bust, try telling that to Google. Just bcoz someone has an "internet-based" model doesnt mean it shall go bust. We need to take each case individually.
 
And let's just suppose that TV18 does report a FY07 EPS of around 30 rupees, then it wont be so expensive, even though it may hover around 900-1000 bucks a piece.
 
Just my five cents though I am no expert.


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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 06/Nov/2006 at 3:07pm

Originally posted by omshivaya

Just bcoz someone has an "internet-based" model doesnt mean it shall go bust. We need to take each case individually.



I agree, and im not saying it will.

All i'm saying is that history has shown that VERY VERY FEW internet companies have been profitable, so until we actually start seeing the numbers on the company books, please be a little cautious in having expectations based on projections, business model, or whatever....

If TV18 delivers - great, fantastic - all of us will be very happy, (and Basant very very very happy as he will be a zillionaire )

I am sure TV18 will make money from their internet business, but whether
they will make as much as they do from their TV business in 3 years time,
is something i would like to wait and watch. (Again, let me be clear here -
i'm NOT saying they WONT achieve it - just saying judgement reserved!

Besides, in three years from now, the TV business would also have grown much more than what it is today - for the internet business to match that,
its going to be a herculean task.

And BTW, you cant go and compare every case to Google - in every
industry there will be a few exceptions who perform exceptionally well,
way ahead of the competition, and Google is one such company.
If we start using this method of comparison, then you wouldnt be able to find a bad sector or a bad company at all.





Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 06/Nov/2006 at 10:04pm
Basant,
Any idea when Infoedge listing? I am eager to see how it lists as first pure internet play. Their model is subscription based, but with so many young people coming to marriage mkt and (shortage of girls) their service will be in demand. There is no guarantee that people will find their  but atleast they will try and is enough for infoedge. Also same people will come to job mkt.
 
On negative side - as we discussed, people wont just go to their website. They need to promote a lot unlike rediff or  moneycontrol.


Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 06/Nov/2006 at 10:24pm

It should list at a premium of at least 20-30%. But somehow, compared to TV18, Infoedge doesnt just excite me as its market is very limited. Unless of course, they have planned to enter newer areas on the internet.



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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 06/Nov/2006 at 7:27am
No doubt internet and broadband are huge business opportunities .That is true.Every bubble begins with such a good idea.Without doubt that is what is starting -a bubble-in India.Not that there arent any opportunities but its best to maintain a distrustful attititude and make intelligent investments because it can never be easy-making money with high PE companies.
 On the contrary,in the real business world huge changes are taking place.Reliance,Indian Hotels and Infosys are eyeing /entered into huge deals in the commercial and tourist hotspots of Kerala.This provides a clue as to opportunies  for investments in several sectors.


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 17/Nov/2006 at 4:28pm
Infoedge lists on Tudesday November 21st 2006. WOuld be interesting to see what price our "eyeballs" actually see it list at.

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Posted By: bub100
Date Posted: 17/Nov/2006 at 1:06am
Hi basant ji

what r ur view on infoedge good to hold to get google like valuation?

going to list next week

thanks


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 18/Nov/2006 at 5:14pm

Certainly not. Infoedge should list at round Rs 500 and have a market cap of Rs 1300crores. but I am not that upbeat on it as I would be on a TV 18.



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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 18/Nov/2006 at 6:34pm
Hype...Hype....Hype.... Hype.....

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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 18/Nov/2006 at 7:27pm
Basantji,do u have any idea of GBN price band.Your guesses.Do undervalued stock always remain undervalued like for example Dena Bank.Do u know KR Bharat personally who is also a value investor finding multibaggers came on CNBC today.He dont even consider two digit PE.Thats strange


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 18/Nov/2006 at 8:50pm
GBN IPO should be done at a mcap of Rs 400 crores. FOr undervalued stocks to become value there has to be a trigger and that is touigh to estimate. Sund Finance is a solid value stock but people have lost money (relatively) it has doubled while the index has almost quadrapled - that is because there was no value. Buying low PE also can backfire. bharti at Rs 25 traded at a PE of 100 plus and now trades at a PE of 30 minus.
 
Investors benefit from low PE stocks when they become high PE stocks (and EPS does not contract) also investors benefit from high PE stocks either when they remain high PE (EPS keeps on rising at a fast rate) or they become low PE (and rise in EPS is really exponential).
 
KR Bharat does talk sense but in this market I try to hear everyone and then do what ever I feel comfortable doing.


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 19/Nov/2006 at 12:01pm
Here goes Basant jee's words: "...but in this market I try to hear everyone and then do what ever I feel comfortable doing" in that upcoming book titled "The Basant Way"

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Posted By: psimajin
Date Posted: 20/Nov/2006 at 10:39am

Info edge 600+



Posted By: Naren
Date Posted: 20/Nov/2006 at 10:59am
 
Basantji,
 
Infoedge is quoting around Rs608. This is certainly the leader in job listing sites.Looking at it's brand value do you think i can hold the shares which are alotted in IPO. Please give us your views on this.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 21/Nov/2006 at 8:00pm
AT current price it discounts all that is there on the table. I would advise you to shift to TV 18 once that lists next week.But with Infoedge's listing  Tv 18 should also be valued very dearly. Over a period of 3 years this company should do well but the present more or less discounts all that we can see.

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 22/Nov/2006 at 9:43am
Fidelity MF bought 11,00,000 shares of Infoedge at Rs 586  on November 22, 2006. What is it that they can see which we cannot? To me Infoedge seems fairly valued at these levels and gains if any could come only by holding the stock long enough so it becomes cheap again (due to rise in EPS).

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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 24/Nov/2006 at 7:54pm
For all infoedge fans..
 
The New Dotcom Millionaire

In less than a decade, Sanjeev Bikhchandani has turned a garage start-

up into India's

only listed internet company worth Rs 1,000 crore on the stock

markets. Where does

he go from here? By Kushan Mitra

I

t's a recent wintry morning, and Sanjeev Bikhchandani

is sitting in a shoebox cabin at his corporate

headquarters in Noida, near Delhi. "I never knew going

public would require so many of my signatures," he

grumbles, trying to clear a small pile of papers on his

table. It has been just six days since his internet

company InfoEdge began offering shares in itself to

public, and much to the 43-year-old entrepreneur's

delight, the IPO has been oversubscribed 55 times.

There are reasons why Bikhchandani should feel proud

about it. For one, it's the first internet stock to list in

India and the first since Sify and Rediff listed on the

nasdaq during the dotcom boom days of 1999-2000.

For another, InfoEdge, which owns the country's #1 job

portal, http://naukri.com/ - , stands to unlock about Rs 1,000

crore in shareholder value. Not bad for a portal that

was born in a garage less than 10 years ago.

The listing (slated for between November 21-24, well after BT went to

press) will also turn the young entrepreneur into a millionaire-his 43

per cent holding in InfoEdge puts his net worth upwards of Rs 370

crore (assuming the stock lists at the issue price of Rs 320)-and get

him shoulder-rubbing with the other dotcom millionaires, Sify's Raju

Vegesna and Rediff's Ajit Balakrishnan. Bikhchandani, who only

recently disposed his 10-year-old Opel Astra (and bought a Honda

Accord) after being left high and dry on a family vacation, takes pains

to clarify that his worth is all 'notional', but he's fooling no one.

What's got investors so excited about InfoEdge? One is the fact that

it's the only dotcom to list in India and, hence, serves as a proxy for

the new economy opportunity. Two, InfoEdge itself has been growing

rapidly. Four years ago, it had revenues of Rs 3.78 crore and a loss of

Rs 3.26 crore. Last financial year (ended March 31, 2006), it had

revenues of Rs 84 crore and a net profit of Rs 10 crore. In the first

quarter of this year, it upped revenues to Rs 29.23 crore and net

profits to Rs 5.89 crore. If the company continues to double its

Looking for a

job, house or

a partner?

Bikhchandani

has it all

covered via his

three portals


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revenues and profits every year for the next two, the stock will trade at

approximately 30 times its 2006-07 earnings and 20 times 2007-08

earnings. A pre-IPO report from brokerage firm Anagram says, "Looking

at the prospects of the business and the track record of the company,

we expect it to maintain the same growth trajectory going forward."

While InfoEdge has two other

portals, http://jeevansathi.com/ - and

http://99acres.com/ - , and an offline

executive search division (see

The InfoEdge Empire), it's

http://naukri.com/ - that makes it so

valuable. Currently, the size of

the online recruitment industry

is estimated at Rs 135 crore

and is said to be growing at 35

per cent year-on-year.

Bikhchandani believes that a

growing economy, especially

the services sector within it,

will create opportunities for

thousands of new jobs, and

recruiters will move the

process of recruitment online

for reasons ranging from

convenience to costs to better

targeting of potential

employees. For instance, just

the IT/ITEs industry, he says

citing NASSCOM numbers, will

grow to $60 billion (Rs

2,70,000 crore) in exports by

2010. That will mean

recruitment of software

engineers and call centre

agents by the thousands.

Already, attrition rates in this

industry range between 25 and

40 per cent a year, meaning that companies are constantly recruiting.

For Naukri, that represents a huge growth opportunity. Says

Bikhchandani: "You could say that we have benefited from the huge

demand for talent in this economy."

When people get jobs, they like to get married and buy a house too.

That's roughly the reasoning behind InfoEdge's forays into two other

The InfoEdge Empire

It runs three portals and an offline

executive search firm. But Naukri is

the jewel in the crown.

http://naukri.com/ - : India's leading job-search

portal, started out in March 1997 as a

basic HTML website, now incorporates

the latest Web 2.0 technologies.

Companies pay money to post listings

and placement consultants pay to

mine Naukri's database of millions of

resumes

Quadrangle: An offline executive

search firm that InfoEdge acquired in

November 2000, this division helps

companies find executives for high-

end management or technical

positions

http://jeevansathi.com/ - : Started in 1998, but

spun off and acquired back in

September 2004, this is India's third

largest online matrimonial site. Users

can surf for life partners, but need to

pay for contact information

http://99acres.com/ - : Started in September

2005, this is a real estate classifieds

site, where consumers can search

freely for apartments and houses,

while realty developers and brokers

pay for listing

 

dotcom segments: matrimonials and real estate. Indians spend an

estimated Rs 50,000 crore annually on weddings and wedding-related

stuff, and online matchmaking hopes to get a slice of what has

traditionally been an involved offline process (that is, the search for a

life partner). Similarly, the overall real estate market is currently worth

a staggering (and fast-growing) Rs 2 lakh crore, and InfoEdge is looking

at a very small part of it-property hunting. "The company is diversifying

its portfolio, and has huge potential to ride along with the booming

Indian economy," says the Anagram research report.

How It All Began

Until 1990, Bikhchandani was a Marketing Manager at

Hindustan Milk Marketing (now GSK Consumer). Then,

one day, he decided to turn an entrepreneur. He

launched InfoEdge out of his father's garage in Delhi's

Swasth Vihar, with the original idea of doing salary

surveys. In his two years at hmm, Bikhchandani had

often noticed that his colleagues would always start

with the back pages whenever they read a business

publication. As he discovered, the back pages carried

all the appointment advertisements. Then, in 1991, the

Department of Telecom (dot) came out with a proposal

to launch a videotext service that people could

subscribe to, and asked private developers to come up

with proposals. Bikhchandani prepared a presentation

on the potential for job searches through such a

service. However, as with many things those days, the

dot proposal never saw the light of day.

His business pottered along for a few years, earning

decent money, but nothing substantial. However, a

downturn in 1996 made Bikhchandani take up a job

with The Pioneer, a job that he says was to hold him in

good stead in the years to come. But it was a chance

visit to it Asia at Pragati Maidan in Delhi in late 1996

that was to change his life-this is where he first heard the word

'internet' and a few days later realised that the proposal he had made

to the dot could easily be resurrected on this medium. In March 1997,

still operating out of his father's garage and with his brother paying for

server space in the us, Bikchandani's text-only http://naukri.com/ - went live.

India had a total of 14,000 internet connections those days, and most

of those were text-only connections. Yet, at the end of a year of

operations, Naukri had made Rs 2.35 lakh and by the close of 1998-99,

it made Rs 18 lakh. Bikhchandani and his collaborators knew they were

"Jeevansathi

isn't very

strong in the

NRI segment,

but it has its

strengths

elsewhere and

we will work

towards

improving

those"

Hitesh Oberoi

COO/InfoEdge


onto something.

But late in 1999, Bikhchandani started facing new challenges. The

internet was on everybody's lips and other companies had begun to

enter the sphere of online job listings. Realising that Naukri was

competing with rivals with far greater financial muscle, Bikhchandani,

who had initially never wanted funding, decided that some money

would be essential to survive. Despite several funding offers, he

settled on ICICI Ecotec (now merged with ICICI Venture), which valued

the firm at Rs 45 crore and took a 15 per cent stake for Rs 7.3 crore.

The funding deal was closed in April 2000, days after InfoEdge had

declared revenues of Rs 36 lakh for the year 1999-2000. A few months

later, the dotcom bust would hit the world.

Surviving the Bust

In late 1999, Bikhchandani made two decisions that

would change InfoEdge forever. The first was to accept

funding, and the second was to hire Hitesh Oberoi, an

IIM-Bangalore and IIT-Delhi grad, who was then

heading the regional ice-cream business of Hindustan

Lever and had come to Bikhchandani for career advice

on whether to join a dotcom from whom he had an

offer. Before Oberoi knew, he was heading InfoEdge's

marketing operations and one of the first things he did

was to adopt an offline business model by recruiting

sales people to actually go to companies and make

sales.

Much to everybody's surprise, it soon became apparent

that the sales people were 'breaking even' within three months of

being hired. The company rapidly expanded its sales team and,

crucially, its sales reach, with offices being set up in Mumbai and

Bangalore, just as the it services boom was about to hit the Indian

economy.

Oberoi also played an important role in almost forcing Bikhchandani to

change the 'look and feel' of the site. "I was rooted in Web 0.0,

believing in pure text," Bikhchandani jokes. He also agreed to spend

money on over-the-line marketing. In 2000, Naukri became one of the

first firms to use the scrolling advertisement on TV. With TV channels

not realising the potential for this form of advertising, Oberoi sealed

amazing deals. "We got 8,000 seconds of TV time during the Olympics

in 2000," he says, "for Rs 3.5 lakh. That is a steal any which way you

look at it." Hits shot up, as did resume submissions past the 1,000-

mark a day. Despite better-funded (and Bikhchandani notes, better-

Early days:

Bikhchandani

at his home-

office circa

1991


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engineered) competition, Naukri retained the top spot-even though

there is no accurate way of measuring page hits (Bikhchandani says he

gave up on that a while ago). Naukri's brand positioning created all

those years ago has stood it in good stead, with more than 10,000

resumes added daily now.

But Bikhchandani attributes another factor to why InfoEdge survived

the bust. During his time in The Pioneer, the newspaper experienced

some extremely difficult times financially, and he played an

instrumental role in resolving some of these problems. So, when the

dotcom bust happened, Bikhchandani knew that the only way forward

was to batten down the hatches and live off a bootstrap budget,

because, "I knew I wasn't going to get a second round of funding".

In the business plan that

Bikhchandani had presented

ICICI, InfoEdge was expected to

have revenues of Rs 12 crore

by 2005-06. It zoomed past

that number in 2003-04,

posting revenues of Rs 19 crore

and the company declared its

first profit of Rs 76 lakh. This

enabled InfoEdge to buy back a

majority share in

http://jeevansathi.com/ - , a site the

company had spun off in 2000.

It also allowed Oberoi to

convince Bikhchandani to

spend money on something

more substantial on the

advertising front (the company

spends a fifth of its revenue on

marketing). After a

misadventure with a local firm,

Naukri appointed FCB Ulka as

their agency, and a series of memorable adverts were made,

culminating in the extremely popular 'Hari Sadu' commercial.

It was around this time, Bikhchandani decided that the time was right

to go public. "China's largest online search, 51job, had recently gone

public (on NASDAQ) at incredible valuations and investment bankers

were trying to convince me to do the same," says the man. "Even

though ICICI Venture had never put any pressure on me to go public, I

had wanted to ever since I had taken funding. But after visiting Hong

THE BIKHCHANDANI ESSENTIALS

AGE: 43

EDUCATION: BA

Economics, St

Stephen's College,

1984; PGDM, IIM

Ahmedabad, 1989

WORK EXPERIENCE:

Account Executive,

Lintas (1984-1987);

Brand Manager, HMM (1989-1990);

Business Development Manager, The

Pioneer* (1996-2000)

FAMILY: Married, with two children

MANAGEMENT PHILOSOPHY: Run

an open organisation, and delegate

responsibility

*This was in addition to running

InfoEdge


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Kong and Singapore, I decided that I didn't want to list abroad." So,

that's how InfoEdge ended up offering its shares in India.

The Road Ahead

But being a publicly-held company is, as any CEO who heads one will

tell you, a double-edge sword. While it does create wealth, it also put

enormous pressure on the company to deliver ever-larger profits. No

doubt, Naukri is the current market leader with a traffic share of 55 per

cent for July 2006, according to Comscore, a website traffic monitoring

firm. But all of its old and new competitors are larger as business

groups. http://monster.com/ - , #2 in India, is a billion-dollar jobs portal based in

the us; TimesJobs is part of media giant Bennett Coleman & Co,

publishers of The Times of India and The Economic Times; JobStreet,

which has partnered with tv18, has a strong presence in Asia, with

revenues of 55 million Malaysian ringgits (or Rs 67 crore). "The job

market in India is booming, and we would be stupid to believe that

there will not be competition," Bikhchandani admits.

With more Indians going online and thus shifting away

from traditional classifieds in the newspapers (reports

suggest that online sites already dominate job listings),

Bikchandani believes there is enough room for four-five

players. "We will continue to offer unique services to

our customers," he says. As an example, Bikhchandani

talks about how Naukri has recently started to offer

SMS job alerts, "The idea was born out of customer

need for a client in Pune and we offered it." Naukri was

also the first (and to date only) online job portal in India

to offer really simple syndication (RSS) feeds of

relevant jobs. "We will adapt Web 2.0 technologies if

we feel they can improve the user experience,"

Bikhchandani says.

Meanwhile, Jeevansathi and 99acres are only beginning

to make money for the company. In the last three

financials years, they have provided an aggregate of

only 6 per cent of the company's revenues. Is InfoEdge,

therefore, a one-hit wonder? It is not as if InfoEdge

hasn't shut businesses before-it started two sites,

Indiaventure2000 and Roltanet, soon after it received

funding from ICICI, but quietly shut them down.

" http://jeevansathi.com/ - is number three in its segment, it

isn't very strong in the NRI segment or South India, but it has its

strengths elsewhere and we will work towards improving those," says

Oberoi. On 99acres, Bikhchandani says that online realty searches are

"Sanjeev is

diligent. He

has also been

fortunate with

the people he

has hired and

the

management

team that he

has built"

Saurabh

Srivastava

Angel investor


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still a novelty in India, "but we believe it is a segment that is waiting to

boom, because people want targeted and relevant searches." He also

believes that brokers and developers will soon realise that online is a

far better way of getting their message across than through traditional

classifieds.

Saurabh Srivastava, an it-entrepreneur-turned-angel investor and now

a member of the InfoEdge board, believes that Bikhchandani's success

is well earned. "Sanjeev has been a very diligent and dedicated

entrepreneur, but yes, I would say he has also been fortunate with the

people he has hired and the management team that he has built

around at InfoEdge," says Srivastava. Perhaps, it is to Bikhchandani's

credit that he has been able to hold onto most of his key executives.

He hasn't just allowed them to grow and take on greater responsibility,

but also shared company stock. Oberoi, for instance, owns 7.6 per cent

of InfoEdge.

As Srivastava points out, the space around InfoEdge is growing at a

fantastic pace, and the company is not a start-up anymore.

Bikhchandani will have to expand his management team and take on

greater risks. And whether he likes it or not, Bikhchandani's success

henceforth will be measured not by the number of resumes in Naukri's

database or hits per day, but the price of InfoEdge's stock. That's just

the way it is. One thing is for sure, though. India's newest dotcom

millionaire is in for some exciting times ahead.

 



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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 24/Nov/2006 at 7:58pm
Basantji,
 
Fidelity is a bit aggresive fund and is known to buy stock they like irrespective of price..e.g Fin Tech they bought at higher prices some months back..


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 24/Nov/2006 at 9:38am
But Fidelity has made some smart picks in India just that they diversify it too much!

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Posted By: deepinsight
Date Posted: 25/Nov/2006 at 7:04pm
Fidelity -
 
- I was asking myself the same question - what do they see that I don't?
 
My only thought was =One needs to keep a perspective on:
 
"what percentage of their assets this represents?"  - with this large number of shares I doubt if it would even count for 1% of their portfolio.


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Nov/2006 at 7:35pm
"what percentage of their assets this represents?"  - with this large number of shares I doubt if it would even count for 1% of their portfolio
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I was thinking exactly on the same lines just that you thought of posting it earlier.


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Posted By: patnitin
Date Posted: 10/May/2007 at 2:27pm
Basantjee,
Are you positive on infoedge/naukri ?
After seeing many advt.that they are no more no.1 jobsite (times jobs claims to be no.1 now) whether its better to get out of it.
 
The major problem I face with all my stocks is that,I rarely take a sell decision.


Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 10/May/2007 at 2:29pm
Before you take a sell decision, visit the founder of naukri blog here...they r still no.1
http://bikhchandani.blogspot.com - http://bikhchandani.blogspot.com


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/May/2007 at 2:31pm
The major problem I face with all my stocks is that,I rarely take a sell decision.
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These are golden words if you had invested in Infy, Bharti, Pantaloon etc.Infoedge has a huge scale of opportunity but at these prices there is an associated waiting period till the stock gets cheap again.


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Posted By: patnitin
Date Posted: 10/May/2007 at 2:44pm
Thanks basantjee and deveshjee.
 
------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately I donot hold the ones you mentioned from long time.Have been a recent enterant into Pantaloon.Yes this attitude has helped me in many stocks(SBI,HDFC,ICICI,UTI,M&M,Rolta,TCS,ITC,Kotak,Reliance.....),But this attitude is/has been also a liability in stocks like DSQ,Silverline,Vikas WSP....One could argue that I should not have been into the stocks mentioned lateron in the first place.
It seems one has to make costly errors to benefit!!


Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 10/May/2007 at 5:41am
Job karo phir shaadi karo aur bhir makan khareedo. Kya value chain hai !!!!
Ab kuch travel portal, kids care portal, food portal bhi open karna chahiye....customer kush ho jaye gaa.


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Posted By: pirate
Date Posted: 10/May/2007 at 11:42am
basantji can u please throw some light on northgate technologies which is too direct internet play. its two sub globe7(voip) and axill's bharatstudent.com which is a social networking site.


Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 10/May/2007 at 11:47am
We have discussed Northgate here... http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=440&PN=1 - http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=440&PN=1

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/May/2007 at 11:47am
I have no idea on that company.

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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 07/Jul/2007 at 10:47pm
Any specific reason why you are not comfortable with Infoedge? Is it the valuations or anything else?
 
Personally, I haven't invested in InfoEdge because I own Web18 (via TV18). InfoEdge depends way too much on the Naukri.com, although they are getting into other businesses.  Web18 is much more diversified and the stock price won't tank if the job market goes through a rough patch.
 
However, as their customer, I'm 100% satisfied with Naukri.com and would do business with them again if required. I didn't have such a good experience with Monster India.


Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 15/Jul/2007 at 2:51pm
info edge has launched http://www.asknaukri.com - www.asknaukri.com (career oriented).
 
http://www.infoedge.in/images/press_release/final_press_release12july07.pdf - http://www.infoedge.in/images/press_release/final_press_release12july07.pdf


Posted By: CHINKI
Date Posted: 16/Jul/2007 at 12:03pm
Rediff.com shares are overpriced, says Barron’s

The study doubts the valuations based on market capitalization and size of the potential market and that stocks have been boosted by rumours of a takeover

New York: Shares in Rediff.com, India’s third-largest Web portal, are overpriced according to an analysis by US financial newspaper, Barron’s.

Though the stock has been partly boosted by rumours of being an acquisition target for larger international rivals, Barron’s said there were serious doubts about Rediff’s valuation based on its market capitalization and the size of its potential market.

By some estimates Rediff’s market capitalization is more than 13 times the entire Indian online advertising market, from which the majority of its revenues are earned, Barron’s said.

Barron’s also said Rediff’s grip on its market seems to be slipping as Web giants Google Inc. and Yahoo Inc. get a foothold in India.

Shares in Rediff.com fell $1.05 to $25.41 on Friday 13 July.

Source : %20 - http://www.livemint.com/2007/07/16073502/Rediffcom-shares-are-overpric.html

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Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 18/Jul/2007 at 8:41pm
job searching has become national best time pass activity.
 
http://www.livemint.com/2007/07/14004810/C9C602E9-CCE5-4D66-9B51-8C28BC4D0DBFArtVPF.pdf - http://www.livemint.com/2007/07/14004810/C9C602E9-CCE5-4D66-9B51-8C28BC4D0DBFArtVPF.pdf


Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 11:47pm
infoedge recognized as tommorrow s giant.(business world).
 
http://www.infoedge.in/images/press_release/Business_World_Ranks_Info_Edge.pdf - http://www.infoedge.in/images/press_release/Business_World_Ranks_Info_Edge.pdf


Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 12:04pm
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With online classifieds growing at a scorching pace, the print industry gears up for a fight back

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The shift has been breathtakingly swift. At LG Electronics, 60 per cent of the recruitment is currently done through job sites like naukri.com, compared to 20 per cent two years ago. “This has saved 40 per cent of our recruitment costs,” says Yasho V. Verma, director (HR), LG. Three years ago, Canon India spent Rs 30 lakh a year on recruiting through job consultants and classifieds in the print media. In 2006, 30 per cent of its recruiting is done online through sites like Naukri and Monster, besides its own site. The total cost has come down to Rs 10 lakhs. “We have almost stopped using print classifieds,” says Alok Bharadwaj, vice-president, Canon India.

At DLF, the shortlisting of management trainees and candidates for senior level positions have all moved to job portals such as Naukri. And shaadi.com has made matches for 650,000 lakh couples since its inception in 2004.

As marriages, jobs, homes and even friends appear at the click of a mouse, there is an uncomfortable rustling in newspaper companies. At least 50 new classified websites like magicbricks.com and a Hindi version of jeevansathi.com have mushroomed since 2005. The Internet and Mobile Association of India estimates that in 2005-06, advertisers spent Rs 200 crore on classified advertising (jobs and matrimonial) online. This is growing at 70 per cent a year. In comparison, classified advertising in print stood at an estimated Rs 500 crore in 2005 and is growing at 20 per cent a year. At this rate, it is just a matter of time before the online classified ad market overtakes its print counterpart.

And this is not just an Indian phenomenon. A 2004 McKinsey & Co report reckons that between 2000 and 2004, the US newspaper market lost around $2 billion of the $34-billion classifieds advertising pie to online competitors such as Monster, Realtor and Craigslist. In India, 2-5 per cent of classified print advertising has moved to the Net over the last three years.

Yet, India is one of the two countries in the world where newspaper circulation and readership is growing and advertising has been booming for two years. And nobody expects it to slow down. Last year, the print media, in fact, grabbed Rs 7,900-odd crore of the total Rs 16,267 crore that advertisers spent on various media. So, is there need for the print media to panic?

Maybe not, but it is time for defensive action. At 38.5 million users, the Internet reaches twice the number of people that Dainik Jagran, India’s largest read newspaper, does. People spend roughly twice the time surfing the Web, as they do reading newspapers. More importantly, the young lot — whom most advertisers want to reach — mainly access the Net. So, it stands to reason that the market will only grow bigger.

Reaching a potential buyer online and getting him to respond is also cheaper. For instance, a student could log on to Magicbricks and search for a rented accommodation that suits his budget instead of making innumerable trips to realtors’ offices. On Monster, a recruiter could narrow his choices to, for instance, an IIT alumni civil engineer with two years’ experience, and scroll through resumes with these fields.

According to The Times of India (ToI) Group, an advertiser in a leading national daily spends Rs 18 lakh-25 lakh for a half-page ad across multiple editions. At best, that could help hire 3,000-4,000 people. Here the cost per applicant comes to Rs 600-625. In compari- son, advertisers can use Monster or TimesJobs at Rs 2 lakh a month and generate at least 4,000-5,000 responses. Here, the cost per applicant is just Rs 40-50, and could fall further as new payment models are introduced. Rediff, for instance, follows a pay-per-click model where the advertiser is charged only when a user clicks on his advertisement.

Typically, classified advertising brings in 6-10 per cent of a newspaper’s ad revenues. Also, at roughly 25 per cent margins, it is more profitable than display. Take it online and the margins rise further. “With negligible variable costs, profit margins can be as high as 50 per cent, and much higher than print,” says R. Sundar, director (corporate), ToI Group . It was one of the earliest investors in the medium in 1995 and is now the best placed among its peers to stem the flow of classifieds to the Web.

The writing on the wall is clear. As the number of Internet users grows, the print media, especially in English, will have to scrounge for the leftovers after online majors have taken their share of classifieds. Vernacular publications are safe (for now) because there isn’t enough robust language software and fonts available. Besides, electricity and Internet access in small towns is still patchy.

The competition will also get fiercer as online players gain in size and diversify (see ‘Now, To Scale Up’). So far, classifieds portals cover only a few categories like jobs, matrimonials and recently real estate, which bring in almost 96 per cent of the total online classified revenues. Now, they are offering not just advertising, but also the ability to transact in segments like travel.

One could argue that it is ridiculous to compare a Rs 2,363-crore Bennett, Coleman & Co. to a Rs 78-crore Naukri. However, a look at the global market — which India is closely mimicking, albeit with a time lag — provides the answer. Here, some of the best defensive action has come from the old guard. The Economist, The Guardian and BBC.com are among the biggest online media successes today.

And that is precisely what Hindustan Times, The Hindu and even vernacular publications like Lokmat (Marathi) are now trying to emulate. They are trying to upgrade their online classified offerings by putting in better search mechanisms and building synergies with mobile services. Hindustan Times is planning to invest Rs 2.5 crore-3 crore in building the technology backbone for its online classifieds. This would make searching for jobs or property as user-friendly as TimesJobs or Magicbricks .

So, it is clear that while they may not be able to stop the flow of advertising money to the Net, print companies are not giving up without a fight.




Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 11:32am
I think that companies with electronic,print and online properties offers the proposition to advertisers. The Times group could say ofer its online version at 25% discount and cross sell so as to create a win win situation for everyone. ANy idea if Times job is as good as Naukri and Monster?

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Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 27/Jul/2007 at 9:27pm
Info Edge Q1 total income at Rs 52cr    http://indiaearnings.moneycontrol.com/sub_india/audio/livecon.php?autono=294971">


http://indiaearnings.moneycontrol.com/sub_india/comp_results.php?sc_did=IEI01 - Info Edge has declared its Q1FY08 results.

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Here are the key concall takeaways:

  • Market for Naukri remains competitive
  • The company achieved a profit after tax of INR 116.41 million compared to INR 52.19 million in corresponding quarter in 2006, representing a sharp growth of 123% in profits.
  • Total Income in Q1 of FY 07-08 at INR 520.01 million shows an increase of 77% over corresponding quarter in 2006.
  • EBITDA at Rs 173.05 million grew 98% over corresponding quarter in 2006.
  • Resumes on Naukri at 10 mn as compared with 9 mn
  • Avg registration on Jeevansaathi at 2500 per day
  • 99 acres some slowdown because of mkt conditions, but small share in advertising mix
  • Jeevansaathi sees steady growth, discovering way forward creating markets
  • In Jeevansaathi price takers
  • Looking at education business, career guidance site
  • Revenue model seen advertising
  • Taken slight price increase in Q1
  • 99 acres listings on site were 65,000
  • Have taken increments in Q1
  • 7%-10% from foreign, most of it dollars
  • Derived exposure on
  • Looking for increase in headcount in 99 acres and naukri
  • not looking at any huge ramp up
  • 5-6 people for Gulf expansion


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Jul/2007 at 9:58pm

Hi, Prashantji, heard that you were at the AGM in Delhi and it all folded up in 10 minutes, people were shouting for food packets and when one shareholder wanted to ask a question he was told by a fellow shareholder "Bhaav badh raha hai toh tere ko kya puchna hai".

Any idea if these disrupting guys were related to the management?
 
It is tragic that a company like Infoedge would make such a mess at its AGM. The private equity queen "Bala Deshpande" was also there and while all this happended Sanjeev Bhikchandani was smiling and finally the top brass left through the back gate!
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 27/Jul/2007 at 11:03pm
Chu***o ki  kami thori nah hain duniya mein.

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Posted By: Mr. V
Date Posted: 27/Jul/2007 at 1:00am

WOW...if this was done by people planted by mgmt then its pathetic.



Posted By: nikhil090
Date Posted: 27/Jul/2007 at 1:14am
Originally posted by basant

Hi, Prashantji, heard that you were at the AGM in Delhi and it all folded up in 10 minutes, people were shouting for food packets and when one shareholder wanted to ask a question he was told by a fellow shareholder "Bhaav badh raha hai toh tere ko kya puchna hai".

Any idea if these disrupting guys were related to the management?
 
It is tragic that a company like Infoedge would make such a mess at its AGM. The private equity queen "Bala Deshpande" was also there and while all this happended Sanjeev Bhikchandani was smiling and finally the top brass left through the back gate! 
 
 
 
 
are we sure about this? People being planted by mgmt. Why will they do it?


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Jul/2007 at 10:17am
No, not sure but it does happen at meetings here in small unknown companies. Management are quite apprehensive about people asking probing questions and then having to record all of that in the minutes but why a company like Infoedge would have an AGM folded in 10 minutes is what baffles me.

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Posted By: nikhil090
Date Posted: 28/Jul/2007 at 12:58pm
To be fair to the company, they are doing pretty well. There conf calls etc are not painting very rosy pictures, they try to tell the facts. So I dont know why Infoedge will be fearing any probing questions. Also I think AGM cannot be more probing in any case than management conference calls. However, the question still remains, why the AGM folded in 10 min.. Maybe they have no resolutions etc to be passed..


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Jul/2007 at 1:08pm

No , the crowd wanted all resolutions to be passed and food packets to be distributed!

Now in all the AGM's there are quite a few people who do that kind of a thing but think of someone who travles all the way from Kolkata and it folds up in 10 minutes.
 
Personally I would not like to believe that the Infoedge management would have done that but they could have put better security and distributed food packets upfront so that genuine people could meet and discuss with the management on issues that they think are important.


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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 28/Jul/2007 at 4:46pm
I have no doubts in my mind that Indian public would have done that unless management has some suspicious agenda in mind they wont plant such things !!
And I would rate Indians on top in the world (if there is any)list for collecting freebies and go aggressive whenever there is something free)
But lot of AGM invitation letters say at the bottom that no gifts etc would be distributed.
 
P.S: I feel ashamed when I see my fellow countrymen do this for collecting chocs or similar on domestic flights and  gulping liquor on international flights..


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Jul/2007 at 11:47am
Guys,
 
Sanjeev Bhikchandani of Infoedge called me up a couple of minutes ago and he vehementally denied that the management had anything to do with the people disrupting the AGM. He expressed his serious regret for people who travelled all the way for the AGM and said that he would respond to querries on Infoedge through email.
 
My note:: It was a classic gesture of corporate governence. COmpanies generally brush off AGM's like another of those regulatory events but here we have a management that is ready to sort out things for its shareholders.
 
In ICRA's AGM which happened on the same day as Infoedge a similar thing repeated itself. One of my relatives who had gone all the way to attend the ICRA AGM narrated the event in exactly the same way as the shareholder who had gone to attend the Naukri AGM.
 
Unfortunately the guys who attend these AGM's are interested in the food packets rather then taking the opportunity to really understand what the company is doing!


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Posted By: vip1
Date Posted: 29/Jul/2007 at 4:37pm
Guys,
 
Sanjeev Bhikchandani of Infoedge called me up a couple of minutes ago and he vehementally denied that the management had anything to do with the people disrupting the AGM. He expressed his serious regret for people who travelled all the way for the AGM and said that he would respond to querries on Infoedge through email.
 
TED's activism paying off Clap


Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 29/Jul/2007 at 7:10pm
Basant jee,
I am really impressed with power of TED. Congratulations!!!


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Posted By: deepinsight
Date Posted: 29/Jul/2007 at 9:51pm
Sanjeev comes across as a no nonsence down to earth entrepreneur. Very positive of him to immediatelly respond/defend the company's reputation.
 
Wish the price was not so highly valued for us to be able to make an investment.


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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 29/Jul/2007 at 12:12pm

Sanjeev jee's response rests any doubts on the management part, at least.



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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 29/Jul/2007 at 12:14pm
Thanks Basantjee for your concerns for the shareholders of Infoedge and also quick  response of Sanjeev jee is appreciated.

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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 29/Jul/2007 at 5:38am

Sanjeev jee's response rests any doubts on the management part, at least.

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Posted By: Mr. V
Date Posted: 29/Jul/2007 at 7:59am
Originally posted by basant

Guys,
 

Sanjeev Bhikchandani of Infoedge called me up a couple of minutes ago and he vehementally denied that the management had anything to do with the people disrupting the AGM. He expressed his serious regret for people who travelled all the way for the AGM and said that he would respond to querries on Infoedge through email.

 

My note:: It was a classic gesture of corporate governence. COmpanies generally brush off AGM's like another of those regulatory events but here we have a management that is ready to sort out things for its shareholders.

 

In ICRA's AGM which happened on the same day as Infoedge a similar thing repeated itself. One of my relatives who had gone all the way to attend the ICRA AGM narrated the event in exactly the same way as the shareholder who had gone to attend the Naukri AGM.

 

Unfortunately the guys who attend these AGM's are interested in the food packets rather then taking the opportunity to really understand what the company is doing!


Wow...This is really commendable on the management's part.
Basant, did anyone from TED contact him about this first or did he get in touch with you proactively ?


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 29/Jul/2007 at 8:08am
Originally posted by Mr. V

Originally posted by basant

Guys,
 
Sanjeev Bhikchandani of Infoedge called me up a couple of minutes ago and he vehementally denied that the management had anything to do with the people disrupting the AGM. He expressed his serious regret for people who travelled all the way for the AGM and said that he would respond to querries on Infoedge through email.

My note:: It was a classic gesture of corporate governence. COmpanies generally brush off AGM's like another of those regulatory events but here we have a management that is ready to sort out things for its shareholders. 

In ICRA's AGM which happened on the same day as Infoedge a similar thing repeated itself. One of my relatives who had gone all the way to attend the ICRA AGM narrated the event in exactly the same way as the shareholder who had gone to attend the Naukri AGM. 

Unfortunately the guys who attend these AGM's are interested in the food packets rather then taking the opportunity to really understand what the company is doing!


Wow...This is really commendable on the management's part.
Basant, did anyone from TED contact him about this first or did he get in touch with you proactively ?
 
 
No, he called up on his own. I was surprised to receive a call from him in the morning yesterday. He also followed it up by elaborating answering the email to the shareholder who had gone all the way from Kolkata and then informing me through email that had indeed sorted out the shareholder's concerns.
 
Personally I found it to be an excellent proactive gesture!
 


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Posted By: Mr. V
Date Posted: 29/Jul/2007 at 8:13am
Originally posted by basant

Personally I found it to be an excellent proactive gesture!

 


Really great. Applauses for Infoedge management

I hope more and more Indian companies emulate Infoedge's corporate governance.



Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 29/Jul/2007 at 8:54am
This news is very very interesting....
 
Top executives give in to lure of blogs

With Indian companies diving into the blogosphere, can corporate honchos be far behind?

Top executives of some leading Indian companies, including Infosys Technologies, Rediff and Info Edge (known for Naukri.com), are giving in to the lure of blogs.

They dwell on matters as diverse as personal impressions at the World Economic Forum (WEF) to expressing views on the Prime Minister’s comments on CEO salary curbs.

Importantly, they see this as a valuable tool to get across to clients and employees quickly.

Infosys set up the Infosys blog ( http://www.infosysblogs.com/thinkflat - www.infosysblogs.com/thinkflat ) in an attempt to create a forum where it could share its thoughts with clients and employees.

“It is and will always remain a challenge for top-level executives to take to regular blogging, as it becomes difficult to separate the views of the individual from that of the company. Top executives, therefore, need to be extremely careful while blogging.”

Agrees Rediff founder and CEO, Mr Ajit Balakrishnan, who points out that while writing blogs can be “relaxing,” CEOs of listed companies need to guard against expressing opinion on outlook about the company or even the industry in their blogs and should rather stick to neutral themes.

Among the handful of Indian CEOs who are hooked onto blogging is Naukri.com CEO Mr Sanjeev Bikhchandani.

“I have been blogging for the last 3-4 months, and I have thoroughly enjoyed it. There is no set theme and my blogs have varied from how I got hooked onto blogging to the issue of reservations and even the PM’s recent comments on CEO salaries.”

Source: HBL http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2007/07/30/stories/2007073051690100.htm - news here
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 29/Jul/2007 at 10:21am
AFter Devesh posted the link to Sanjeev Bhikchandani's blog I try checking it for updates. This is a link to that: 
http://bikhchandani.blogspot.com - http://bikhchandani.blogspot.com
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 3:15pm
Originally posted by prashantmohta

Info Edge Q1 total income at Rs 52cr    http://indiaearnings.moneycontrol.com/sub_india/audio/livecon.php?autono=294971">


http://indiaearnings.moneycontrol.com/sub_india/comp_results.php?sc_did=IEI01 - Info Edge has declared its Q1FY08 results.

Here are the key concall takeaways:

  • Market for Naukri remains competitive
  • The company achieved a profit after tax of INR 116.41 million compared to INR 52.19 million in corresponding quarter in 2006, representing a sharp growth of 123% in profits.
  • Total Income in Q1 of FY 07-08 at INR 520.01 million shows an increase of 77% over corresponding quarter in 2006.
  • EBITDA at Rs 173.05 million grew 98% over corresponding quarter in 2006.
  • Resumes on Naukri at 10 mn as compared with 9 mn
  • Avg registration on Jeevansaathi at 2500 per day
  • 99 acres some slowdown because of mkt conditions, but small share in advertising mix
  • Jeevansaathi sees steady growth, discovering way forward creating markets
  • In Jeevansaathi price takers
  • Looking at education business, career guidance site
  • Revenue model seen advertising
  • Taken slight price increase in Q1
  • 99 acres listings on site were 65,000
  • Have taken increments in Q1
  • 7%-10% from foreign, most of it dollars
  • Derived exposure on
  • Looking for increase in headcount in 99 acres and naukri
  • not looking at any huge ramp up
  • 5-6 people for Gulf expansion
 
While Infoedge remains the only pure internet play the company has seen an increase in other income in the last quarter. Operating profits have grown at more then 50% slightly less then the growth in sales.
 
Since most of the members here are from the software industry can you compare these four job portals and suggest which one is favoured by you.
 
a) Naukri
b) Monster
c) Times Job
d) Jobstreet.
 
The audio of the conference call at Indiaearnings is very elaborate and explains the company's strategy very clearly.
 


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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 4:32pm

basant ji you have rightly qritten the names of 4 companies in descending order.....naukri and monster are way ahead of others....

but i liked timesjob ka ad...
 
people are leaving naukri, they are coming to timesjob .....


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 4:59pm
Hari Sadu is really quitting his NAUKRI! But as professionals you guys have resumes in all the job portals. My brother in law is in CitiBank and he says that he likes Job Street these days. I asked him whether his ownership in TV18 had something to do with his liking?
 
Now while surfing the websites do you spend your time equally on all the sites or do the time spent remains the same with respect to any particular site.
 
Naukri is the leader in this category but unfortunately there are no means to get across to know who is maintaining or increasing market share.
 
Is the CNBC ticker creating any impact for JobStreet? Their alexa ratings seem to have gone up but since alexa is an overall score we are not sure as to how much of that came from Indian operatins. Also Alexa is better for getting general information more then anything else.
 


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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 7:59pm

people dont say put your resume on job portals..they say i ll upload my resume on naukri or i ll upload my resume on monster...so you can imagine how tough it is for jobstreet to create a market share for itself....i am not saying its impossible..its tough

more or less all these sites offer similar features to people seeking recruitments....what matters is the brands associated with a particular job portal...you visit naukri and moster and all the big names are there...
 
i think this business has a lot to do with first mover s advantage + a lot of advertising....any of these 4 companies would surely become a large cap but it will depend upon how well they market themselves....
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 8:05pm
Naukri does enjoy the first mover advantage and I am sure it should be among the leaders.

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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 8:14pm

YEAR

Users

Population

% Pen.

Usage Source

1998

1,400,000

1,094,870,677

0.1 %

ITU

1999

2,800,000

1,094,870,677

0.3 %

ITU

2000

5,500,000

1,094,870,677

0.5 %

ITU

2001

7,000,000

1,094,870,677

0.7 %

ITU

2002

16,500,000

1,094,870,677

1.6 %

ITU

2003

22,500,000

1,094,870,677

2.1 %

http://www.itu.int/ - ITU

2004

39,200,000

1,094,870,677

3.6 %

C.I. Almanac

2005

50,600,000

1,112,225,812

4.5 %

http://www.c-i-a.com/pr0106.htm - C.I. Almanac

2006

40,000,000

1,112,225,812

3.6 %

http://www.internetworldstats.com/usage/use009.htm - IAMAI

this chart shows indians using internet...i think with increase in internet penetration the addressable population will also grow...and we are only at 4% net penetration...in coming 5 years or so...net penetration would jump up...and also the way employee attrition is going up and up...job portals will churn more and more money.....makes sense to put some amount in this counter....
 
basant ji is the current valuation fine to enter???


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 8:23pm
Business model is good or rather excellent but here I would wait before buying.

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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 8:29pm

May i know the reason for waiting?? is it because valuations are too high or management needs to be tested or something else which you can think which our amateur brains cant?? Smile



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 8:53pm
Valuations is the only concern.So you could just take a very small initial position and wait - if at all.
 
 Management is of the highest order. In my previous posts I have indicated that if we have an IIM IIT management team then there is nothing better to expect from a minority shareholder's point of view.These are self made people who started very small and have displayed a very highorder of credibility, their acccounts are audited by the PWC so nothing to worry on that front.
 
Do you think that breaking the first mover advantage will be very difficult for anyone. Why is it so that the best guys prefer just some of the above mentioned companies and not to all?
 
After all it is like a commodity business which is branded by scale and credibility. 
 
Do hear the conference call audio. it is quite insightful.


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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 9:06pm

Will surely listen to it as soon as i am at my home...

 
regarding why big recruiters go to naukri and monster .... and how tough is it to break first mover advantage?
 
1. You mentioned correctly in one of your earlier post that professionals these days load their resumes in all the job portals..
 
2. small consultants which refer candidates to big organisations have got login at naukri or monster so they get huge database from here itself...why to spend extra money to get same resumes from other sources...it will happen only if other players offer better services at lower prices ....
 
3. the logic given in point no. 2 holds good if recruiters directly pick up resumes from job portals....
 
then comes advertising...i can see monster and naukri everywhere....on Net, TV, hoardings..on people s blogs..on orkut communities..even TED...(monster is there)...it surely creates an impact....word of mouth publicity also counts...so jobstreet and timesjob lack here...they might be good but then so is naukri and monster.....
 
surf excel came a bit earlier...marketing was done superbly..... ariel followed...both were brilliant but surf excel won the race....i feel its tough to break the lock of naukri.and jeevansathi...and in fact even 99acres for that matter...you search for indian property on google and see which sites re on top in search results ... magicbricks and 99 acres...(btw who owns magicbricks??)
 
shadi.com and jeevansathi re up there in matrimony search...
 
i think infedge has some cutting edge over others..Wink...


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 9:20pm
....their acccounts are audited by the PWC so nothing to worry on that front.
 
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Nothing against Infoedge or PwC, but readers please note that Enron audits were carried out by Aurther Anderson!
 
Again, it is not relevant here but just a note!
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: deepinsight
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 9:26pm
Walk though the presentation from the company here:
 
http://www.infoedge.in/pdf/infoedge_feb07.pdf - http://www.infoedge.in/pdf/infoedge_feb07.pdf
 
Slide 15 is instructive why they have an edge and how they build on it.
 
My concern would be pure valuations at such high - valuations its more than a bit of a streeeeeeach.


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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 9:32pm
Originally posted by basant

Guys,
 
Sanjeev Bhikchandani of Infoedge called me up a couple of minutes ago and he vehementally denied that the management had anything to do with the people disrupting the AGM. He expressed his serious regret for people who travelled all the way for the AGM and said that he would respond to querries on Infoedge through email.
 
My note:: It was a classic gesture of corporate governence. COmpanies generally brush off AGM's like another of those regulatory events but here we have a management that is ready to sort out things for its shareholders.
 
In ICRA's AGM which happened on the same day as Infoedge a similar thing repeated itself. One of my relatives who had gone all the way to attend the ICRA AGM narrated the event in exactly the same way as the shareholder who had gone to attend the Naukri AGM.
 
Unfortunately the guys who attend these AGM's are interested in the food packets rather then taking the opportunity to really understand what the company is doing!
 
 
It is so nice of management. They understand VALUE of CREDIBILITY. I agree with deepinsight about valuations but that was expected as we dont have many internet based companies.
 
This is one of ways to invest in GIRLS as Jim Rogers says.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by tyler_durden

Will surely listen to it as soon as i am at my home...

 
regarding why big recruiters go to naukri and monster .... and how tough is it to break first mover advantage?
 
1. You mentioned correctly in one of your earlier post that professionals these days load their resumes in all the job portals..
 
2. small consultants which refer candidates to big organisations have got login at naukri or monster so they get huge database from here itself...why to spend extra money to get same resumes from other sources...it will happen only if other players offer better services at lower prices ....
 
3. the logic given in point no. 2 holds good if recruiters directly pick up resumes from job portals....
 
then comes advertising...i can see monster and naukri everywhere....on Net, TV, hoardings..on people s blogs..on orkut communities..even TED...(monster is there)...it surely creates an impact....word of mouth publicity also counts...so jobstreet and timesjob lack here...they might be good but then so is naukri and monster.....
 
surf excel came a bit earlier...marketing was done superbly..... ariel followed...both were brilliant but surf excel won the race....i feel its tough to break the lock of naukri.and jeevansathi...and in fact even 99acres for that matter...you search for indian property on google and see which sites re on top in search results ... magicbricks and 99 acres...(btw who owns magicbricks??)
 
shadi.com and jeevansathi re up there in matrimony search...
 
i think infedge has some cutting edge over others..Wink...
 
 
Thanks for that very elaborate argument. But would you think that because there are limited entry barriers individual companies might not grow to that extent as much as the industry. SOmething like what happened in the hindi news space or something that happened to the BPO industry?
 
Even if some job portal takes away 10% of the total market it is at the expense of the leader. So even though the new portal remains a marginal player it does create problems for the established ones.I hope you get the point.
 
Kulmanji: We had one Anderson in about several decades but with the other lesser known names the probability of getting the books cooked up is the maximum. Remember that education company from Delhi who was funded by Carlyle in the initial years, they changed auditors just as Carlyle was leaving them and the increase in the rate of growth in topline after that change in auditor is strikingly co-indicental.
 
 
 


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Posted By: nikhil090
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 12:27pm
Somehow, I feel that it is also a game in which winner takes all. Why should an advertiser/job seeker/candidate seeker go to the 3rd/4th or nth player when the reach/number of jobs/no of resumes are much higher in 1st and 2nd player's case?
Also one thing which we are not emphasising is the relevance of the resumes and the searchability of the resumes.. Having 9 million resumes does not help the recruiter at all. He needs 1000 relevant profiles for getting 100 recruits. He should be able to do that in a fast, efficient and easy manner. Naukri is emphasising significantly on this aspect also. They keep on working on their technology aspects.  
Therefore, I think experience of people is much better with naukri than with any other portal. People who are actually involved in the whole process can highlight if this is true.
 
Also unlike TV18, infoedge is present in only 3 areas of online operation, all of which are those for which people will not mind paying some money. they are the areas which will be monetised the fastest.
Also the pedigree of the management, already highlighted, gives significant comfort. The valuations may be very rich, but they will keep on doing well..
 


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 12:34pm
Having 9 million resumes does not help the recruiter at all. He needs 1000 relevant profiles for getting 100 recruits. He should be able to do that in a fast, efficient and easy manner. Naukri is emphasising significantly on this aspect also. They keep on working on their technology aspects
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Sanjeev Bhikchandani mentioned this in his analyst conference call and they are working on their algorithms to get it the best results. I am just doing a brain storming because you guys actually use the product and nothing better then to have the product vouched by the user.
 
The valuation game is secondary once we like a business model we can always keep checking the valuations so as to try and get in when there is a general decline or whatever. But good stocks will always remain expensive.
 
From whatever we have seen here almost all the users say that NAUKRI is the best so there isn't much to think about in this case except for as you say the price at which we would ideally like to buy the company.


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Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 1:02am

In this business is there any possibility of tying with other job portal in US so that  they  can exchange resumes.

 
anybody,


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 1:09am
No, resumes can be accessed by anyone whether he is sitting in New York or in New Delhi so that should not be an issue but Monstor with worldwide operations is valued at US $ 5 billion (apprx) if Infoedge can build up on JeevanSaathi and 99 acres it should be quite helpful but as Manish Dave mentioned somewhere people would go to Jeevan Saathi for 2 years or lesser of their life (hopefully); similar with 99 acres once a house has been purchased then no one looks for another one; also advertisement spend will always be heavy because a company will have to protect and nurture its brand(site) which is always under threat from free entry of other marginal websites.
 
Does anyone know how much of recruitment spend is being done through print because sooner then we think all of this plus a lot more will get transferred to the online world.
 


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Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2007 at 2:09am

http://www.contentsutra.com/entry/419-matrimonial-job-sites-user-figure-to-surge-47-in-2007-08/ - Matrimonial, Job Sites User Figure To Surge 47 % In 2007-08

By http://www.paidcontent.org/contact/1562/ - Anupama Chandrasekaran - Thu 19 Jul 2007 06:41 PM PST

About 25 million people are expected to surf the Internet for jobs and a life partner during fiscal year 2007-08, Assocham reports. That is a more than 47 percent Increase over the 17 million online subscribers who registered themselves on employment and matrimonial Web sites last year. [via http://www.livemint.com/2007/07/19153511/25mn-users-will-access-jobs-an.html - Min t]

Here are some more interesting facts from the study that the article highlighted.
FY 2006-07 Estimates:  Matrimonial Sites
Market size - Rs 85 crore
Estimated market size - Rs 136 crore
Online matrimonial search subscribers:  7 mn
Estimated online matrimonial search subscribers:  9.5 mn
Age group: 20 - 55yrs and fastest growing age group:  25 - 34yrs
Male / Female ratio matches current internet gender ratio is 69%/ 31%
The article didn’t highlight similar data for job sites, which could mean that the study didn’t provide it. An interesting side read to this piece would be my interview with Bharatmatrimony CEO Murgavel Janakiraman who expects his company to be profitable this year.



Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 31/Jul/2007 at 6:26pm
Originally posted by basant

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Even if some job portal takes away 10% of the total market it is at the expense of the leader. So even though the new portal remains a marginal player it does create problems for the established ones.I hope you get the point.
 
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sir..bharti was first mover ...and many players have tried to dent its mkt share since then and they have successfully done so...but bharti is a lear leader and a great wealth creator ...this is bcos it always leveraged on a model of continuous improvement in their services....so is the case with infoedge....new players will alway emerge...100% monopoly is not possible these days.....can you tell us what kind of valuation bharti enjoyed when it got listed?? the business models are different but mkt must have paid some premium even then....


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Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 31/Jul/2007 at 6:46pm
excellent observation.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 31/Jul/2007 at 6:48pm
An investor  looking at the Balance Sheet would hav put Bharti as a clear sell before it became a 10 bagger! Most of the time we have to get the bigger pricture correct.

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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 31/Jul/2007 at 5:26am
Most of the time we have to get the bigger pricture correct.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 03/Aug/2007 at 6:17pm
Competition to job sites?....
 
http://sify.com/finance/fullstory.php?id=14504542 - Headhunters now prowl social networking sites
 
Orkut, Linkin, Facebook, MySpace and other similar popular social networking sites are fast doubling up as modern day employment exchanges for job seekers as well as recruiters head hunting for talent.

 

These social networking sites, immensely popular with netizens, especially the young, are seeing a rapidly increasing number of 'communities' helping both job seekers and employers.

With 100 million internet users in the country, India is now the fourth largest country in terms of internet penetration, a recent Assocham study points out. According to Assocham, e-recruitment is gaining ground as a preferred medium of hiring in India. For job seekers, especially, the internet has opened up a new world of possibilities in job searching, turning it into a 24-hour-a day market place. The internet is arguably the most immediate, convenient and comprehensive medium for employment seekers to research and prospect for jobs.

Staffing services providers like Cloud 9 India, Pathway Recruitment Agency use such sites as a platform to hire and have links to their own websites. Populated with thousands of members each of these communities have a huge database of job seekers and can reach them within seconds

 
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 08/Aug/2007 at 7:58pm
This is an interesting link to how dating sites compete with matrimonial sites. Actually  matrimonial sites should have a dating site also and try to cross promote it because having the dating section on the matrimonial site would dilute the focus a bit but unmarried people are the best logical target for dating portals.
 
http://www.contentsutra.com/entry/419-dating-site-users-continue-to-lead-matrimonial-site-registrants/ - http://www.contentsutra.com/entry/419-dating-site-users-continue-to-lead-matrimonial-site-registrants/


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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 08/Aug/2007 at 8:41pm
absolutely right basant ji..but now it would be very tough for a dating site to make a mark...since orkut has started every other site has taken a severe blow...
 
i was frequent user of yahoo messenger and hi5 and orkut ...and i am using these from the days when i was in 12th class..orkut was not there ..hi5 was in early stages i think...i used yahoo the most then...hi5 was a genuine dating site..and by the time i was in 3rd year in college it was almost the best dating site..i used it to find dates and chatted with them on yahoo messenger....then orkut became a craze....you can find dates..scrap em..talk to em on g-talk...yahoo and hi5 are gone....yahoo is trying everything to snatch back its share from orkut....
 
do you think our desi matrimony sites can make a dent to orkut.....
 
its again because of database...orkut has the largest data base of users...i found my 4th class friends from orkut...and am still in touch with my old pals thru it....like naukri has largest database and is oldest...timesjob is finding it hard to dent its share in a big way...
 
they say if you re connected to 5 people on orkut you probably are connected to every other person on earth....


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 08/Aug/2007 at 9:26pm
Orkut has become a domineering brand. Nothing can shake it. You are right if I am looking for friends I would go to  place where I have more options.
 
So how many friends (dates) did you find between 12th standard and 3rd year? Any conversions?Wink


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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 08/Aug/2007 at 11:43am
found many friends...and for dates i would say conversion rate was low..Dead .. i found a few and that kept me going back to orkut with a vengeance....Wink

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Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 09/Aug/2007 at 2:22am

Current Story

http://www.contentsutra.com/entry/419-naukri-launches-professional-networking-site-brijj/ - Naukri Launches Professional Networking Site - Brijj

By http://www.paidcontent.org/contact/7/ - Nikhil Pahwa - Thu 09 Aug 2007 05:36 AM PST

This just in: Info Edge (Naukri.com) has launched a professional networking site, Brijj.com, http://www.watblog.com/?content=detail&id=982 - reports WATBlog. From the http://www.brijj.com/aboutus/AboutUs - About Us page, the mandate of the site seems fairly similar to http://www.linkedin.com/ - Linked In - introductions, business opportunities and jobs.

During a recent earnings call, Naukri CEO Sanjeev Bikhchandani had http://www.contentsutra.com/entry/419-earnings-naukris-q1-net-profit-at-rs-11641-million-99acres-and-jeevansa - explained their need for a professional networking site: Job sites don’t tap passive candidates, and Bikhchandani believes that a networking site can plug that gap. Naukri.com has a database of over 10 million resumes, and a possible integration with Brijj gives it the opportunity to engage better with those for whom Naukri goes off the radar when they’re not looking for a job.

However, Naukri is not the first Indian company to try the professional networking site. Rediff had launched http://connexions.rediff.com/connexions/ - Connexions as a professional networking site in 2004 (I think)...it never took off. Then there’s also Techtribe, which recently http://www.contentsutra.com/entry/419-techtribe-secures-venture-funding-from-canaan-miven-entrepreneur-funds - received funding from Canaan Partners; they’re attempting the reverse: a tech networking site trying to make inroads into the tech jobs space with a referral system.

Question is - if you’re already on Linked In, will you migrate to Brijj? I think Linked In’s global footprint will be difficult to compete with for Naukri, since that brings a completely different segment of opportunities.

Disclaimer: I have an inconsequential number of shares of Info Edge



Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 09/Aug/2007 at 2:27am

http://www.brijj.com - www.brijj.com   is an indian version of linkedin.com whose alexa ranking is 151.



Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 14/Aug/2007 at 1:51pm
Now we have another finding on the online matrimonial sites. It says Bharat Matrimony is at the number 1 position followed by shaadi.com. Surprisngly this survey shows that Bharat matrimony and Saadi are way ahead of the others.
 
I read somewhere that Shaadi has a visibly more NRI user base so the ability to monetise that user base is higher:
 
http://www.alootechie.com/news/2733.asp - http://www.alootechie.com/news/2733.asp
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 17/Aug/2007 at 3:11pm
So we have another property portal this time http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1016 - Anupam Mittal of  Shaadi.com has launched http://www.makaan.com - www.makaan.com .After Indiaproperty,99acres,Magicbricks this is yet another portal in the real estate space.

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