2014 General Election - a game changer
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Topic: 2014 General Election - a game changer
Posted By: manishdave
Subject: 2014 General Election - a game changer
Date Posted: 03/Mar/2013 at 5:03pm
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What ever media says, my sense is Modi will become PM in 2014. Our voters may not be very smart but smart enough not to vote for this pathetic Govt. and its even more pathetic individual leaders. No party has a leader who has even 10% charishma compared to Modi. Brand Modi is Maruti and brand rahul is fiat. I don't buy third front idea. This election will be very polarizing. Modi yes or no. Rahul yes or no. For simple test check any article on Modi and Raul. No need to read article. Just check comments. And let me tell you. People are going to come out of their homes and go for voting! If we talk about the mkt., Sensex will touch 35000 by the end of 2014. Like Victor Hugo said, Nobody can stop an idea whose time has come. |
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Posted By: excel_monkey
Date Posted: 03/Mar/2013 at 5:21pm
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Manish bhai congress has a chance if they are able to implement direct cash transfer
Just imagine in this diverse country we have we have various equations Muslims, SC,ST OBC etc etc
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Posted By: paragdesai
Date Posted: 03/Mar/2013 at 6:52pm
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Middel class who are not very enthu voter class till date can change result in favor of Modi because they are the biggest sufferer.
Honestly at the moment there are no capable leader other than Modi across the party line to lead the country. ------------- Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity .... |
Posted By: excel_monkey
Date Posted: 03/Mar/2013 at 7:08pm
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This is the same middle class which threw vajpayee govt out of power and got congress twice in power in a row
Middle class deserves all the bamboo it is getting
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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 03/Mar/2013 at 7:14pm
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Not only middle class, even Autowala is looking for this change and across the country. I want to ask everybody a simple question. who wants to see Rahul Gandhi as PM? No need ask about Modi. People will note vote for BJP, they will vote for Modi and vote to get rid of this Govt. People will vote with passion this time. So my speculation- BJP will win more then anybody can now expect. Modi will be PM. All resistance will be broken. Cong will win least ever seats. Sensex 35,000. |
Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 03/Mar/2013 at 8:26pm
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My two cents.. neither Modi nor Rahul would be PM post 2014/13. Rahul because he doesn't want to be and NDA might not have numbers to make Modi. If at all NDA is close to majority Arun Jaitley is my favourite. He is one guy who would be acceptable across party lines. I would love to see a decisive leader like Modi but chances are very very slim. Let's see as democracy we are evolving and going in right direction though we have long way to go. You guys are forgetting potential impact of food security bill, this is the first time in human civilization food would be assured whether you deserve it or not! ------------- ‘The market always does what it’s supposed to — BUT NEVER WHEN’. |
Posted By: excel_monkey
Date Posted: 03/Mar/2013 at 9:18pm
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Jaitley is a congressi in BJPs clothes
He has always been a defender of the family If not for likes of jaitley, sushma and advani congress could not have survived till now You need to be on twitter for real news
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Posted By: excel_monkey
Date Posted: 03/Mar/2013 at 9:21pm
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If I was a Muslim or SC ST modi would not have appealed to me much
And SC ST OBC and Muslims are in majority Then there is another complication of coalition formation
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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 03/Mar/2013 at 9:59pm
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A true leader should turn the tide. In Salaya with 90% muslim voters, BJP won ALL the seats. It may be small pocket but things are changing. Even in gujara election, many muslims voted for Modi. This is the fact. Does Rahul apeal ANYBODY? And wherever cast politics works, BJP will have matching candidate too. But committed votes are increasing for Modi and decreasing for Rahul or for any UPA leader. And BTW Modi doesn't come from upper caste. IMO two things happened in 2009. 1. For right reason or wrong reason, Adavani is not very popular amongst voters. And his Jinnah comment damaged him out of proportion. 2. BJP made blunder by opposing nuclear deal. That made MMS hero and many middle class voters either didn't vote or voted for congress. Not going to happen this time around. Modi's oratory skills will play huge role. Advani lacked that. This time inflation is going to play big role in this election. Have never seen ruling party winning in fair election when inflation was too high. It hurts poor and middle class the most. Then there are scams, and economy. Young voters are increasing and that is advantage Modi. I will say this again. Nobody can stop an idea whose time has come. |
Posted By: vineetb
Date Posted: 03/Mar/2013 at 11:21pm
| I have a gut feel that Mulayam Singh may become the PM in 2014. There would not be any party in clear majority and there would be another coalition government. |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 03/Mar/2013 at 12:40pm
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Unfortunately In India specially in UP responsible for largest block 81 MPs voters vote as per the Yadav & Jatav vote bank of Mulayam & Mayawati respectively. Further u hv 100% voting by muslims imply their real strength increases to 60% from actual 30%.As such whichever party Muslims associate with wins specially in UP. BJP IMHO will have a realistic chance only if people forget their caste & caste their votes n not vote their caste. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 03/Mar/2013 at 12:45pm
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Except for UP BJP has a fair chance in Rajasthan,Gujarat,MP,Chattisgarh,Bihar,Punjab,Delhi,Ukand,HP,Goa,Maharashtra n maybe Jharkhand .
Unless it performs well in UP task will not be easy.But Congress is expected to perform well only in Kerala,Karnataka some parts of Maharashtra. Its really important that BJP projects Modi as PM quite early n BJP improves upon its chances in Metros n Non influence areas. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: wiseowl
Date Posted: 03/Mar/2013 at 10:11am
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The next election (and, in fact, elections since 1989) have been won by the dominant party that has been able to stitch a working coalition (either pre- or post-election). 2004 : BJP did a mistake by preponing the elections. The follow-through of their economic policies could not be felt completely. Also, they were ambiguous about projecting Vajpayee as the PM. 2009 : Congress got extra "sympathy" vote because of the perception that the communists were holding it down during UPA-I. Again, BJP was not clear about its agenda -- temple or economy. 2014 : Both BJP and Congress should project their PM candidates. Will they do it ? Probably not. Will BJP steer away from the temple agenda and promise economic growth ? If the 2014 elections are held on a progressive, economic platform, it does not really matter who wins. It would be a refreshing change from our usual electoral issues and populist agendas. ------------- You alone are responsible for your actions. |
Posted By: bandlab1
Date Posted: 04/Mar/2013 at 7:46pm
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modi/bjp has ZERO strength in south. lot of 'secular' parties dont want to be in NDA. That means we dont have any other choice except UPA. My gut feeling is chidambaram will be PM and index will touch 30000 by 2014 end
btw, my vote is for modi
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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 04/Mar/2013 at 9:14pm
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These days I raise this issue with lot of people to get some insight. Interesting everybody I talk to says they will vote for Modi and they WILL vote, but he won't become PM. Somebody's driver is from UP. He goes back and forth from Mumbai to his village. Real rural guy. His view was that if elections were held today, in UP BJP will get 75 seats. I know it is exaggeration. But it is his and it tells about sentiment in the most important state for no. of seat. People got taste of SP. They haven't forgotten the taste of BSP. That is advantage BJP. Let me thrown an open question. Who will vote for Rahul Gandhi? No need to reply if you are not going to vote for Rahul Gandhi. BTW I don't like PC but he is better than RG. Now for a second go to the comments on this article. Doesn't it say something about the sentiment? in.news.yahoo.com/congress-slams-modi-targetting-gandhis-pm-130202524.html#ugccmt-container |
Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 04/Mar/2013 at 9:25pm
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In south Jaya will join NDA. BJP has presence in Karnataka. There are so many parties in Andhra. At least some fraction will join NDA. My number tells me that they will be fine even if they don't get anybody from Andhra, Bengal, Orissa. Northern states will be clean swipe. Things are changing, and fast. www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Ahmedabad/Muslims-won-t-mind-if-Modi-is-elected-Prime-Minister-Vastanvi/Article1-1020596.aspx Modi will steam roll UPA. In politics popularity spreads like wild fire. VP singh got so puplar in very short time with just by blowing whistle. And remember, people can forget scams, but not economic hardship. Yes, caste is a big factor. But not the only factor. Otherwise, why would Govt. change. They would keep electing same people. Patels rejected Keshubhai in favor of Modi. |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 04/Mar/2013 at 11:13pm
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yes a recent survey I think by India today had predicted good show by BJP/NDA specially in North.
I am a staying in UP lets hope the tide turns but UP now the most backward state is family business for Mulayam where 30% muslim vote n 10% yadav vote makes Mulayam in a comfortable situation. BJP has still the influence in urban areas but rural imply vote your caste. But 15 months is a long period i politics. Youngsters n urban Indians are really fed up of UPA .Modi seems the only hope. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: breeze
Date Posted: 04/Mar/2013 at 1:39am
I wished I didn't disappoint you but couldn't resist since I follow a lot of politics, in Karnataka if elections are held now, assuming the political ambiance doesn't change much because of Modi, BJP will loose badly, my estimate max 6 MP seats. It was historical win for BJP in Karnataka, it won about 20MPs!! I had never seen such a win for any party in Karnataka as far as I remember. (in last 15 years)
------------- You just have to be opportunistic, and try to figure out what creates value.. where the bottom is, what creates incremental value, and in what combinations" John Malone |
Posted By: breeze
Date Posted: 04/Mar/2013 at 2:05am
And Dont Forget, both Bangalore South and North were won by BJP when congress swept all metros.
------------- You just have to be opportunistic, and try to figure out what creates value.. where the bottom is, what creates incremental value, and in what combinations" John Malone |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 04/Mar/2013 at 10:43am
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So yedurappaa acting as a big spoiler. Wud Lingayats still support him Inspite of current CM Shettar also a Lingayats? Also any chance of reconciliation with BJP if Modi is a PM candidate? ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: bandlab1
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 4:35pm
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in andhra, no body wants to be with bjp. however TRS may support them after alections as BJP is promising telangana state. TRS may get around 10 seats
since both state and national elections are at same time, jagan will win many seats and may support UPA at centre in exchange of congrss support at state level
in karnataka, bjp has lost its image. in TN major party will go with whoever is in delhi. since both state and national elections are at same time, normally opposition party wins and they will support delhi
for sensex, we need a stable govt. doesnt matter upa and nda
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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 5:10pm
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When people vote, many look at the top, eg PM or CM rather than local candidate. For example, in UP congress didn't get many seats in state elections. But in last general election, they got good numbers because people voted for MMS in hope. Same was in Gujarat. People voted Modi as CM but in general election, many preferred MMS over Advani and that performance was not so great. So in Karnataka and many other states result will surprise. People in Karnataka are obviously not happy and should not, with BJP. But will they find Modi's fault in that? Are other better? Is RG better or Modi? These questions will be asked. |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 5:33pm
If you remember 1998 & 1999 elections no body expected to BJP to win any seat in Andhra but BJP won several seats in areas where it never had a presense thanks to Vajpayee ji. Places like Kakinada,Nellore .This time rest assured thanks to exemplary governance track record of Modi BJP will win several seats in its non traditional areas.India now has 35-40 % young population who are educated n know where to vote. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 5:50pm
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Let me put some approximate seats expected to be won by NDA in 2014.This my IMHO
1)Gujarat 20 2)Rajasthan 20 3)Bihar 35 4)MP 20 5)Chattisgarh 9 6)Punjab 8 7)Maharashtra 30 8)Jharkhand 9 9)Karnataka 8 10)Haryana 6 11)HP 2 12)Uttarkahand 2 13)Goa 2 14) Other UTs 3 15)Delhi 5 16)UP 35 17)North East 5 The total is approximate 220. On top of it around 35 seats by Jaylalitha in TN,10 seats by TRS in telengana, 16 Seats by Navin in Odisha,25 seats by Mamta in WB,25 seats by YSR who will never support Congress adds big cushion. Coming together of Kalyan Singh in UP ,Modie being a OBC,severe disenchantment with Mulayam n Mayawati in UP can help BJP a lot in UP. There will be lot of drifters like NC,Ajit Singh,Independents who will be ready to support any central formation. Views Invited. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 6:39pm
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Good effort TCSer. From above nos. there is an upside in Maharashtra, UP, Kanrataka, Gujarat. Delhi should be all 7. Why would somebody in Delhi vote for congress? Biggest surprise will be UP and that is the most important state from election point of view. |
Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 6:59pm
| interesting thing would be to ask someone who has voted for congress in 2009 if they will vote for bjp...lot of noise typically comes from ppl who always vote for bjp that too in cyberspace...i think bjp will have gains and could pip congress to top spot..but main problem for bjp is it doesnt appeal to allies....i think jaya will join them..but communist will gain in bengal..then..patnaik..naidu..chautala..nitish kumar..all will need to be convinced..and i dont think modi will appeal to them.. |
Posted By: tejas.k
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 7:08pm
Since 1990, BJP has done exceedingly well in Karnataka Loksabha elections. Last time they won 19 out of total 28. (They lost by a very narrow margin in 4 seats). They will lose the coming assembly elections. But in my opinion, they will win at least 14 seats in loksabha. ( even with the current mess they are in)
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Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 7:45pm
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In Gujarat even hardcore Muslim leaders have openly acknowledged that large no of Muslims have voted for Modi rather then Congress who have only treated them as vote banks .Whole Gujarat has progressed irrespective of community and caste.
Similarly Mulayam treat them as vote bank to make family business out of politics.Similar is the case with Lalu,Devegowda,DMK,Mamta,communists and so many others. Coming to Gujarat 2002 riots more Muslims were killed in Gujarat Riots before ,Assam in 2012,Meerut Moradabad,Bhagalpur,Jabalpur,UP,in Congress times but paid media have conveniently forgotten about it. Indian Muslims have benefited the most in last 20 years and are the most prosperous of the lot in entire subcontinent.In 1947 entire educated lot who were most educated,prosperous,committed VOLUNTARILY moved to Pakistan specially from Non Punjab regions.The muslims who were left behind were poor,uneducated,some with landed properties.But today Indian Muslims are really progressing well wheres the ones who were the cream de la Cream of Society in 1947 n who migrated to pakistan are the worst lot if they have not furtehr migrated to West n Middle east. More Muslims are being killed in Paksitan by fellow Muslims almost daily in the name of Muhajirs,Pathan,Shia, Sunni,Sindhi,bengali, Baloch,barelwi Deobandis,Sufi etc but no one raises a finger. Indian Muslims after all belong to the same race as rest of Indians and have are enjoying the fruits of economic progress.NDA policies were truly responsible for this economic progress.They need to realise the vote bank politics of family businessmen masquerading as politicians and vote for economic well being of India.Everyone will benefit.Hope sanity prevails. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: breeze
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 8:42pm
Interesting contrarian approach. Hope my understanding of the political situation will be proved wrong. High time we get a good leadership at the center.
------------- You just have to be opportunistic, and try to figure out what creates value.. where the bottom is, what creates incremental value, and in what combinations" John Malone |
Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 9:28pm
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i think you are giving too much credit to nda there..needless to say the economic growth during nda regime was much less than during preceding and subsequent congress regime..also big decisions like liberalisation (which was opposed by bjp..remember swadeshi?)..nuclear deal..and now fdi in retail..was done by congress.. now congress are no saints and have lot of problems..but assuming bjp is going to set everything right is incorrect..fact is every regime does something good and bad..there are no quick fixes in democrary atleast not in complex one like india..
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Posted By: breeze
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 10:07pm
Leave the congress/bjp aside. What to do you think of last 6 years of administration? Complete failure? moderate..? or a great leadership? I had always admired Manmohan Singh, only to realize that PV Narasimha Rao was the force behind MM Singh for the credit he got. If he were a good leader, we would have been in much different situation now, economy wouldn't have shrunk to 4%. (Just economy as the example because he is an economist, leave alone social issues, chaos, rapes, murders). I respect MM Singh, but he screwed up so much in last 4-5 years because he cant manage, he is not a good leader.
------------- You just have to be opportunistic, and try to figure out what creates value.. where the bottom is, what creates incremental value, and in what combinations" John Malone |
Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 8:32am
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i think mamata did them in initially else if they would have gone ahead with fdi in retail earlier economy wud have been slightly better.. they deregulated diesel and petrol which is huge achievement..and which to my mind will cost them next election.. bjp has not helped with gst issue..which is clearly good for nation.. corruption issue..this is failure as everyone knew how corruption worrks..govt shud have been proactive in dealing on this..here leadership was missing.. social issues..rape..female infoeticide etc..these are our social issues they way we deal with girl child..we as society need to introspect here..cant blame govt.. lastly..far less bomblasts..i think pc was great HM..and no riots.. i think next non-cong regime will find it difficult to address above issues..as they are rigid on fdi in retail..petrol deregulation..etc..will they take touch decisions [QUOTE=breeze]Leave the congress/bjp aside. What to do you think of last 6 years of administration? Complete failure? moderate..? or a great leadership? I had always admired Manmohan Singh, only to realize that PV Narasimha Rao was the force behind MM Singh for the credit he got. If he were a good leader, we would have been in much different situation now, economy wouldn't have shrunk to 4%. (Just economy as the example because he is an economist, leave alone social issues, chaos, rapes, murders). I respect MM Singh, but he screwed up so much in last 4-5 years because he cant manage, he is not a good leader.
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Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 10:08am
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GDP is a very crude measure of comparison. If that is the case we have Mr. Modi as shining example and the best candidate with 10 yr record. I would not go that route. The quality of growth is more important else China would have been best performing market for last 10 yrs but it is the worst actually.
NDA brought historic low interest rates which helped explode investments and infra development. You would know what you sow tdy you reap tomorrow. UPA benefited from that investment binge. What UPA is leaving for the next govt.? High inflation, high deficit and high interest rates which would hurt us for long time to come. Let's not even try to defend Mr. MMS. Just one example you would know that MMS was coal minister (addl. charge) when coal blocks were allotted. He has given 1.8 bn tons of coal reserve to a company which is known as mafia in east (Jharkhand, West Bengal, Orrisa). We are paying through nose with high CAD and lower Rs. This is the biggest crime against humanity which people do not understand. There are many such examples which you may not be even aware off. As an investor we have to delink our emotions from investing and economic choices. I am not Modi fan as such but he is the best for the circumstances we are in and no one except "The Family" is responsible for this.
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Posted By: ameydesai
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 10:38am
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Good thread manishdaveji and some nice posts by tejas, breeze, kaziahmed, futurebull ... it would be nice to know which companies are run by people who will run either a NDA government or UPA government ! i.e. which companies with benefit the most if NDA rules which will benefit most if UPA rules - we can then have short term investments in those companies that are listed and would benefit from either of above combinations
Let me start on this one - If UPA comes to power - companies that work with following families stand to benefit 1]Vadras - no need to list 2]Chidambarams (remember Karti Chidambaram) 3]Pawars 4]Jaiswals 5]Span Motels Private Limited (remember Kamal Nath) 6]CeeJay group (Praful Patel) ------------- Arise, Awake and Stop Not till the Goal is reached |
Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 11:25am
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There are many wrong ideas floating about Modi and his proximity to industrial groups. Yes, proximity is there. But it doesn't mean industrial groups will get what they want. There may be some favors but not at the blatant loss like coal blocks. In live in Gandhinagar. I attended at least three marrages very Mr. Modi also attended. So I probably better idea than most about what is going on here. Don't believe media. I am repeating. Don't believe media. A person who works in CMO is close friend of my brother. Modi makes sure that each person in CMO is clean - tip to toe. Nobody can have guarantee, industrial group or a minister, that it will get cleared. There may be some favor - very one does that - but no guarantee. I has to have merit that it will do good for Gujarat. Modi is extremely tough negotiator. When Mukesh asked for some approvals, Mr. Modi asked him to put money in university. There is a story making rounds in G'nagar how Mr. Modi scolded Munna Mobile personally when he came to know about some none complaince. L&T went with the list for some 45 items. He approved only few, and very enthu about ones he approved. And it had logic as he understands things. You can not fool him. He has knowledge of ground reality and exceptionally sharp memory. There is also a great experiment going on to improve public education dramatically, with people at helm, specially trained, highly paid and coming out of system. In one school, some old teachers who were used to old system resigned realizing, that they won't be able to work with NEW system. First simple idea was voting by students about the teacher!! One person told me that he has seen lot many VVIPs sitting across the table with Mr. Modi. While together nobody could match Modi's personality or body language. He gave idea to MMS about putting solar plants along with the border as land there empty. MMS is thinking about this since 5 years. Looks at innovative ideas. Solar on canal so no need of land! Now from investment point of view, I purchased ICICI bank Jan '15 calls strike price about 50% from here. My logic is ICICI bank will grow 18-20CAGR for next two years. By that time rates will come down, growth will have good outlook, MFs will get positive inflow and if Modi becomes PM, p/e will expand by 50% by Jan '15. |
Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 11:37am
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well i will be very happy if modi could do gujarat with india..but lets not forget in gujarat bjp was always popular even before modi..and he won landslide initially even without development agenda..gujarat is probably the richest state in india..always had industries..diaspora etc.. at national level you need a conciliatory leadership..pv narsimha rao was known for doing anything..vajpayee had to lose vote of confidence by 1 vote in 98 when jaya withdrew..mms had to deal with cpm..and mamata..and had to take support sp and bsp..no mean feat.. i am looking forward to how modi deals with mamata..let alone..nitish..and others..its like we beat aussies 2-0 at home but away ??
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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 05/Mar/2013 at 11:56am
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Gujarat economically better state from beginning. Yes. But when congress was ruling Gujarat, we had poor roads, poor power situation, poor water situation. Even while BJP was in opposition, they took initiative of water conservation and became popular. Modi made huge difference in infrastructure, power etc. In congress rule, teachers could skip school. Some with job in remote areas didn't go even for a month. Now things are different. Gujarat is the only power surplus state. And remember, only small fraction of power from Narmada dam comes to Gujarat. Higher share goes to Maharashtra and MP. When Modi started cracking down on power theft, people complained factory on minister's son. He ordered first to cut power there and then others. So he is kind of a no-nonsense guy what country needs right now. |
Posted By: ThomsonKrish
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 12:24pm
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Modi is a good administrator, that goes beyond doubt. I am still not understanding why there is no lokayukta in gujarat? Now one can always argue that just by having a lokpal or lokayukta, corruption cannot be stopped, however it is always a good step to start with. I live in bangalore and i could see what Justice hegde(ex-lokayukta) did to ex-CM and reddy brothers and also some bureaucrats. The plundering of the iron ore was brought to the notice of the people and the loot. Now none of them are in the ministries. Beyond this nobody can expect anything in the current democratic system in India.
It's like what CAG did to the union govt. We need strong institutions like this with honest people at the head at this point of time too. Now definitely majority of educated middle class is not going to vote for the current govt next time. Elections now are fought on growth and anti corruption.
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Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 1:14pm
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I stay in Ghaziabad suburb just bordering Delhi supposedly a posh area and the choice posting of all bureaucrats in UP.I enjoy1) 8-10 hours of power cuts when mercury zooms to 50 degrees in summers inspite of paying bills in full 2) 4-5 hours cuts in nowadays 3) Mulayam & his cronies entire districts gets 24 hour power even when no one pays bills . 4) All choice lucrtive posting in this n adjoining districts are manned by Yadavs nowadays n Jatavs during mayawati time 5) Most of Thanedaars hv direct connect wit Mulayam n his brother Shivapal n least botehred abt DM/SSPs 6) Everything including ordinary posting is on sale with ministers openly saying on camera dont eat more than 15% . 7) Mulayam n Mayawati least bothered as their communityvotes combined with Muslim30% votes put them in comfortable situation.They are only bothered abt CBI & Congress as they can be put behind bars for 10- years like Chautala n hence are Congress trusted allies 8) Cases pending in high court since 1981.No one afraid of law. 9) Roads specially SH in pathetic state. Distance calaculated in hours not KM 10) Law n order less said the better where a DSP is killed openly 3 days back. People in other states take for granted several items.let them come to UP n see the real India.
------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: valuepicks
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 2:30pm
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manishji, the 2009 disaster for NDA was in farm-foan waiver.... with 60K crores waiver, UPA pleased 60% of our population that depends, directly or indirectly on agriculture. And they are the ones who go to the polling booths!
Agreed that comments on internet on articles related to Modi vs. Rahul is in favour of Modi.... but this intellectual section of the society, if i can dare refer them so, does not go the polling booth...
To sample, we can go one round within TED - there might be several people hailing one state and living in another.. how many of us have voter id card and casted a vote in 2009.... to start with me: I had no voter id and did not cast my vote.... and i stupidly wanted NDA in power
 no mistakes now, i got my voter id and hoping that 2014 will be different...
In this budget too, there are semblances of pleasing a different section - All Indian Women's Bank and Nirbhaya fund.... i am not sure, on execution, they will perfect the art and win the hearts of all women... if yes, we are in trouble again in 2014! Women again vote in droves, in general! ------------- Investment Rule #1: Do not lose capital. Rule #2: Do not forget Rule #1 - Warren Buffett. |
Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 3:47pm
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congress won all seats in mumbai and delhi..hardly rural areas..
also demographics play very important role in politics..obama won cause of blacks..lationos..minorities..women..gays..
congress ensure proper representation unlike bjp..sikh pm..dalit hm and speaker..muslim vp and foreign minister..christian defence minister..there is good mix of south ...north..west and east
bjp is dominated by hindi heartland upper caste leaders..and this in guise of we dont discriminate and select based on competancy..
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Posted By: zulfi
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 4:14pm
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what about justice of 2002 masacre, justice delayed is justice denied ------------- U CAN WIN A HORSE RACE BUT U CANNOT WIN RACES |
Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 4:44pm
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Congress got bunch of votes because of blunder of BJP last time. And that was nuclear deal. Other factor was, MMS was very popular and people thought he could not do many many things because of left. Advani was not and is not very popular so MMS scored over Advani. Recent trend is voting is increasing and that is very positive trend. Will you vote for Chidambaram after reading this? www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/51995-hashimpura-massacre-and-pc’s-role-in-it.html Do you know about riots in Gujarat in '85? Why nobody blames Assam PM? Fortunately for everybody Gujarat has this decade in years where there is no riot. While we are having PM who has no clue to the ground, Naxals are getting stronger. If we have PM like current one for 25 years, Raja Bhaiya will rule India. In congress there were many strong Mafias gangs in Gujarat. I am not saying there none right now. But compared to past, it is nothing. We don't need Just sikh PM or Dalit speaker or cook president. We need quality first. BJP had muslim president for whom almost every Indian be proud of. Why did congress rejected him for hopeless president. I would any day prefer Kalam over Pratibha. I don't need to look if one is Muslim or hindu or sikh. Goa has many Chritians and they had reservation about BJP. I am sure they are happy with current CM. |
Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 5:58pm
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wow subramaniam swamy fighting for muslim cause..you need to read his paper for which he was banned by oxford/cambridge..i will take this with jar of salt..another thing is he is close to jaya..against whom pc and moopnar split congress party only to return in power thru dmk and then returning to congress..they have a history
having said that..i do agree that not all in bjp is communal..and not all in congress in secular..but perception matters..e.g. varun gandhi before hate speech was unknown..once he makes one he is rewarded with party post..now muslim knows he has been rewarded..it pleases right wing idealogy..which doesnt require appeasement..it further alienates muslims from bjp..this i call perception..it wud have been good for bjp had they expelled him from party..but they let go for short term gain for long term one..and then ppl say y muslim dont vote for bjp..
lastly these right wing articles..there are so many of them..one of my fren keeps reading them..one such article convinced him all i n nehru-gandhi family were uneducated..i had to remind him nehru was prominent lawyer who wrote discovery of india..can u believe someone on net convinced him nehru was illiterate..its funny..
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Posted By: excel_monkey
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 6:11pm
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Do you look at the caste and religion of every stock you buy?
It is the quality of the person which is important. Anyway all the posts you named are dummy the power is with one family It is crony patronage system which we have to get rid of
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Posted By: 1234
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 6:24pm
| Do you look at the caste and religion of every stock you buy? but modi did look at the religion of people murdered in riots.instead of hindu or muslim , if he treated innocent people burned at godhra in train as indian or people crying for help in riots as indian and had he displayed his administrative poweress in ensuring justice for both set of people , he would be a true leader. |
Posted By: 1234
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 6:31pm
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there are so many riots happened in india why this angel modi singaled out for gujarat riots? because no body calls jagdish tytler hriday samrat, do congressi treat all sikhs as enemy? they make a sikh PM , bjp could not find a muslim fit to give just assembly ticket.
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Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 6:31pm
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and power within bjp is with sangh family..its gandhi parivar vs sangh parivar..
what is nitin gadkari..gopinath munde was far more popular to him in maha..but he was chosen to sangh he got top job and almost threw munde out of bjp..he was neither popular nor capable..
same with rajnath singh..he has no popularity in up..and is hardly intelligent..why not say make arun jaitley.or yeshwant sinha..or jaswant singh or arun shourie presidents..they are senior..capable educated guys..
bjp has been hiding behind the development garb..it is rss agenda which drives them..let them come to power we will see old issues re-surface....
lot of ppl love modi not only because of development but cause of extremism+ development..why not propose nitish kumar..his performance is no less..but he doesnt bring rss agenda..
[QUOTE=excel_monkey]Do you look at the caste and religion of every stock you buy?
It is the quality of the person which is important. Anyway all the posts you named are dummy the power is with one family It is crony patronage system which we have to get rid of ] |
Posted By: excel_monkey
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 6:47pm
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Succession is sangh is not based on your genes
Sangh at least responds to criticism like removal of Gadkari And if a majority of Indians want to elect a right wing politician then so be it that is what democracy is all about. This tail wagging dog should stop This minority rhetoric over larger interest of the nation should stop
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Posted By: 1234
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 6:47pm
| from childhood i saw people shouting "gali gali mein shor hai, indira gandhi chor hai" or "gali gali mein shor hai, rajiv gandhi chor hai" even now anyone can go and shout in main delhi bazaar " sonia gandhi chor hai" it is his right in a democracy and it should be respected. BUT can you imagine what will happen if a bearded muslim man in ahmedabad shout "m... chor hai"? will he be alive? do you find any jokes about modi on internet? it is simply fascism. |
Posted By: 1234
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 6:55pm
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"And if a majority of Indians want to elect a right wing politician then so be it that is what democracy is all about."
but majority of Indians have not done so in last 60 years and will not do next year. forget about indians, when election happenes even bangladeshis or pakistanis prefer modern women or clean shaved educated persons NOT those bearded mullahs or peope with narrow religious agendas. as long as democracy is there in india , right wing politicians do not stand a chance. |
Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 6:59pm
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it is not about succession it is about ideology..sangh breeds hatred..since long..nathruram godse was sanghi..and majority of india does NOT vote for right wing they dont even have presence in lot of states..
also forget minority rhetoric..and stop being surprised by why they dont vote for bjp..u cant kill people and have their vote..and muslims are not only ppl who are target..remember orissa and why patnaik ditched bjp..
also it is not only about minority..india has seen few more talented ppl than ambedkar who wrote constitution..he was no mayawati..did u know he lost loksabha election..ppl of india didnt vote for him..why dont sangh put his picture in nagpur..talk about distinction and capability..
[QUOTE=excel_monkey]Succession is sangh is not based on your genes
Sangh at least responds to criticism like removal of Gadkari And if a majority of Indians want to elect a right wing politician then so be it that is what democracy is all about. This tail wagging dog should stop This minority rhetoric over larger interest of the nation should stop [QUOTE=kazihamed] |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 7:20pm
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How conveniently som epeople forget that More Muslims are being killed by fellow Muslims in Pakistan everyday then in Gujarat that too in the name of religion itself. Just ask some Muhajirs in Karachi where they were dominating earlier but now thanks to in flux of fellow Muslim Pathans they are being killed straightaway. They dare not enter some areas in Karachi. Similar thing is now happening in Bangladesh.
Whereas in India Gujarati Muslims have moved on and have voted for Modi in large nos but Non Gujarati Muslims keep harping on. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 7:24pm
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An honest Muslim Dy SP has been hunted and killed in UP by great Yadav party goons but people are not bothered.
They are very happy to be the captive vote bank of family businessmen masquerading as secular Netas .there are 20 members of this Neta today either MP n MLA n MLC thanks to vote bank politics. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: vaib
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 7:30pm
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Well people vote for hope. MMS was hope of the nation for being honest and capable. Today that is not the case and probably not because of corruption but for the reason that prices have gone to the sky.
When I think of MMS - only a weak, fragile and incapable figure comes to the mind. Given a choice to be stuck with status quo, it is for the people to make. But I see this country going to downhill every day. I wonder if japan and germany can bounce back, Brazil and China can make excellent progress then why not India? If religion and caste is the only way to decide who should or not govern then results we have all seen in last 60 years and nothing more I have to add. |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 7:39pm
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There have been 27 riots in UP in last 12 months in Yadav rule at Pratapgarh, Kosi kala, Faizabad, Bareilly, Ghaziabd where minority were the victims but no word from Paid Media n the secular brigade.
Also see the situation of minorities in Pakistan n Bangladesh where once they were 30% of population n today in low single digit . Why n How? They are staying there like a tongue stays between 32 teeth. Pakistani Hindus cannot vote except for their own candidate . They can be killed by blasphemy laws n Indian secular never utter a word. Right now Bangladeshi Hindus are being killed n their temples burnt but not a whimper from our seculars in India. Just go to YouTube n see for yourself how an I.nnocent Bangladeshihindu Yout Biswajit is openly killed by goons for just opening his shop. India is the most peaceful,progressive country where Minorities have made real progress ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 7:46pm
india is better than pakistan..so credit shud go to congress who ruled it for most time..
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Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 7:48pm
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sp like lalu is hopeless party..
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Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 7:51pm
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well india has its problem but we aint that bad..i think when europe is sinking and all problems with middle east and africa we shud rather count our blessing..and with all its development we wont be able to post all these comments in china
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Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 7:54pm
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Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 7:54pm
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agree with you on this..u shud read india after gandhi by guha..u will understand how much credit shud go to nehru for this..
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Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 8:03pm
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Yes Nehru was atleast educated n honest unlike his daughter . For her corruption was a smal thing which happened in every country n was an out n out family rule proponent. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: vaib
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 8:05pm
We can agree to disagree :-). Let's vote for the hope. For some people it could be MMS, for some Modi. Let's see who out of the two has made people prosper and hopeful. Who out of the two gives confidence, can give corruption free India. |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 8:24pm
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http://www.sacw.net/article3843.html ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: 1234
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 8:27pm
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[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] Credit should go to ethos n culture of majority community which believes in peaceful coexistence. Unfortunately wherever the minority becomes majority like in Kashmir outcome is conveniently forgotten by Secular n paid media.[/QUOTE]
Was there such problem in kashmir before 1986. every second film used to be shot there? people without fear was going there as tourists. were muslim not in majority there before 1986? KAZIHAMED, see majority of people here are from the casts and professions that constitute core vote bank of BJP. they are chanting development developmet... you just need to provoke them further, and real agendas of them will come out and from their posts you can figure out what bjp or modi stand for. just search old posts in thread 'advani for PM' and 'election 09' around april may 2009, u will know. |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 8:28pm
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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 9:00pm
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Why do you think people in Salaya voted for BJP? |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 9:33pm
Was there such problem in kashmir before 1986. every second film used to be shot there? people without fear was going there as tourists. were muslim not in majority there before 1986? KAZIHAMED, see majority of people here are from the casts and professions that constitute core vote bank of BJP. they are chanting development developmet... you just need to provoke them further, and real agendas of them will come out and from their posts you can figure out what bjp or modi stand for. just search old posts in thread 'advani for PM' and 'election 09' around april may 2009, u will know.[/QUOTE] What was the fault of poor hapless Kashmiri Pandits after 1986 that you killed them n forced them to leave their motherland of thousands of years. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: excel_monkey
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 10:27pm
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Can a Hindu become a member of jamat I islami without getting converted?
You can become a member of RSS without changing your religious beliefs. In fact one of the inspiring figure for RSS is guru Gobind Singh ji a Sikh This happens only in India (read amongst Hindus)
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Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 10:47pm
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Guys, let's not make it a fight of religious beliefs. For the last 2 months I started visiting my twitter account and I got to know how abusive I could be. when I saw some very very insane/inaccurate comments I wrote some abuses too. Later I realised I was never like this and was probably provoked unknowingly. I have stopped myself from writing anything. Everyone has its own biases and beliefs which can't be changed.
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Posted By: breeze
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 11:39pm
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Couldnt agree with you more sir, as responsible people, we should be beyond religion/caste/party. If you lived outside India and watched those humiliating videos on NatGeo/BBC etc about life and corruption in India, you will feel like screaming and kicking yourself. Our leader havnt done enough in last 50 years, its a lost opportunity. But, tomorrow never dies! Lets do a bit we can, sincerely.
This forum has a standard. We all treat everyone here with respect and dignity, that must remain the bottom line.
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Posted By: Monkey
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 11:53pm
Well.....well....let us be clear on this. Could you please, my dear friend 1234, elaborate what do you mean by your above statement. As far as I understand, most of the people on this forum are salaried people, doing their day's work, trying to improve their lot in life and hoping that this country be a better place for them and their children to live. That is all. If you disagree with my assessment, I would appreciate if you could explain what you think about people on this forum more clearly. |
Posted By: excel_monkey
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 12:05pm
Concur with you monkey jee
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Posted By: 1234
Date Posted: 06/Mar/2013 at 11:00am
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"What was the fault of poor hapless Kashmiri Pandits after 1986 that"you killed"them n forced them to leave their motherland of thousands of years"
I killed? this explained your thought process. well, did you ever asked what was the fault of poor gujarati muslims who were raped and murdered? indeed kashmiri pundits were not responsible for the policies of delhi that rigged elections and take away their democratic rights, not to mention policy of jagmohan. why if someone committs crime we punish someone else just because they follow the same religion. for me whether it is kasmiri pundits or gujarat muslims, godhra train pessangers or adivasis all are indians first and who ever responsible for their plight, should be punished harshly. but for this to happen they need to look at world beyond hindu-muslims . HATE causes acidity , depression and inability to see both side of a coin. LOVE.... though difficult but it heals mind body relations. |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 07/Mar/2013 at 8:00pm
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By you is meant the elsewhere minority but in Kashmir majority Community.Secularism is practiced in subcontinent only in areas where Hindus are in majority.The moment they are in minority like in Kashmir,Bangladesh,Afghanistan,Pakistan secularism is thrown out of window.
Whats shocking is that paid media n siculars have conveniently forgotten it.As they have forgotten what happened to minority community in Pakistan and whats happening right now in Bangladesh. In Gujarat never forget everything started with burning alive of 52 innocent Tirth Yatris returning home. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: 1234
Date Posted: 07/Mar/2013 at 8:27pm
paid media n siculars, oftrepeated word  can't take opposing arguments without being abusive.
"in Gujarat never forget everything started with burning alive of 52 innocent Tirth Yatris returning home." yes every thing start some where , but why if someone committs crime we punish someone else just because they follow the same religion. my relative died in bomb blast in colombo in LTTE attack, now should i go killing innocent tamils? same arguments taliban use to justify their terrorist acts, that all these started after first iraq attack by usa or soviet attack on afganishtan or so and so, even decoits in chambal have a story to tell that under what circumtances they chose this path. |
Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 07/Mar/2013 at 9:53pm
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Those who sing in one tone should always remind themselves that we had killing of Pandits in Kashmir, killing of Sikhs and killing of Hindus and Muslims in Gujarat and countless other riots across the country. As a citizen we have to be concerned about all these. Recalling one and forgetting others goes against the basic tenets of our constitution. So who is responsible for all these obviously politicians. We can debate endlessly who is more evil than others. In fact these things can only be eliminated if people get better off economically and intellectually. For this you need a capable leader to make a difference. If someone is serious in eradicating this rather than talk emotionally would consider voting a good and capable leader.
"Raja Bhaiya.49 criminal cases.ONE more.and he will be a Central Minister.What a dream come true for those supporting UPA" - just saw this Twit and could not resist ------------- ‘The market always does what it’s supposed to — BUT NEVER WHEN’. |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 07/Mar/2013 at 10:02pm
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99% of people in India belong to a common race yet religion difference are created for propagating the family rule.The moment majority of people realise that after all its one race things should improve. One of my Arab friend went mad laughing listening about Indian Sheikh & Sayyed community tracing their origins to Arabs. For them its difficult to distinguish between a Hindu & Muslim .For him everyone is a Hindi. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 07/Mar/2013 at 10:29am
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quoting prophet muhammad(pbuh) "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black over a whiteexcept by piety and good action. Don not, therefore, do unjustice to yourselves."
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Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 07/Mar/2013 at 10:32am
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raja bhaiya was first made minister in bjp govt under rajnath singh and then under sp..congress never did business with him..mayawati was only one who put him in jail.. "Raja Bhaiya.49 criminal cases.ONE more.and he will be a Central Minister.What a dream come true for those supporting UPA" - just saw this Twit and could not resist[/QUOTE] |
Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 07/Mar/2013 at 11:58am
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Just a request to not make it a religious contest. While we all debate in good faith these things sometimes hit emotions so irrespective of your feelings let's talk of elections 2014.
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Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 08/Mar/2013 at 10:17pm
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Wind is already blowing the Modis way seeing the scramble for TRPs amongst channels whenever Modi is giving speech.
The market to move altogeteher higher orbit once Modi takes over. Time is to pick up quality companies NOW to reap the benefits in 2015. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 08/Mar/2013 at 8:35am
I agree Raja Bhaiya was born with BJP mindset. I would ask Rajnath Singh/Advani to apologise profusely for his birth. Ok? let's leave it here.
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Posted By: 1234
Date Posted: 09/Mar/2013 at 1:42pm
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have BJP any policy regarding finance and industry different from congress'?
since bjp has been opposing rise in petrol and diesel prices , should we hope for any change here, and what these changes will be? what is its position on reservation in promotion in Govt. services? will they rollback the decision on FDI? will they make CBI independet? There are many many issues nobody know the exact stand of bjp i think this forum is the best place to discuss about it |
Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 09/Mar/2013 at 2:57pm
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One policy which is essence of successful capitalism is 'minimal government and maximum governance'. Go and check history all those countries which migrated from poor to wealthy have followed this policy. If at all these get implemented we would be in another world together. Indians are very very capable people. I personally worked with people of more than 15 nationalities and have always found Indians doing very well except on some obvious issues like communication, in marketing themselves etc. If we want to leapfrog to another orbit we just need honest and effective admin which withdraws itself from many non-productive areas.
In short, we need heavy dose of 5 yrs of capitalism or we would go broke and hit the wall sooner than later the way we are going about freebies and subsidies. As far as BJP is concerned they were the first to bring fuel reform policy which has been copied by UPA in total. They had courage to raise kerosene prices which has not been increased since NDA time. Electricity act 2003 was dumped and we are facing power shortages across the board. I can go on and on but we have to look forward. Can BJP deliver? yes they can but not when you have rainbow coalitions.
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Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 09/Mar/2013 at 5:26pm
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The point is when a nation progress all citizens progresses irrespective of caste n community. India is lucky to have such diversity specially a vibrant entrepreneur class like Vanik Varg . These entrepreneurs are the real strength of India who have business acumen in their blood. This needs to Be encouraged bu the govt . Congress has unfortunately wasted away few generations of Indian specially The Family. Remember Indiras time when a son was born immly scramble for booking a Bajaj scooter happened n when a girl booking for gas cylinder used to happen as by the time children grows up the bookings will mature. The only sensible Congi PM was Narsimha Rao but he has been completely forgotten now in favour of non matriculated mother, literate only on paper son n that thief of a son in law Vadra. Congress should be routed in 2014 I'd this nation has to have any hope other wise India is doomed. Economist has rightly termed the last decade as decayed decade for India. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: amol.karale
Date Posted: 09/Mar/2013 at 7:11am
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Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 09/Mar/2013 at 9:13am
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I would say we should do our bit by voting the best candidate available at local level. We can not think about PM outcome and vote as this is not presidential system. Rest everything would be taken care by the democratic process. Even if it is slow but makes progress in the right direction we would be better off eventually.
The biggest problem has been intelligent folks just do not vote and then start cursing the system. ------------- ‘The market always does what it’s supposed to — BUT NEVER WHEN’. |
Posted By: vaib
Date Posted: 09/Mar/2013 at 9:55am
| Still water is dirty water, you can see the proof in UPA1 vs UPA2. Govt who remain in power in India for decades are non performing, complacent and disastrous. And it is natural to be lazy when you don't have to work for it. Now after so much corruption how can India be the India of our dream? It is time for govt to sit in opposition to pay for their deeds. |
Posted By: rajnsharma
Date Posted: 09/Mar/2013 at 10:22am
For this to happen people like us have to come out in numbers and vote. Middle class just cribs on these forums(including me) and when the time comes for action goes back to their daily routine. Basically we want change to happen but without contributing to it.TIME TO CHANGE OUR MINDSET. ------------- Wall Street makes money by it's activity, while you can make money by your in-activity - Warren Buffett |
Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 09/Mar/2013 at 10:27am
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who did you vite for in 2009 and why ?
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Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 09/Mar/2013 at 10:41am
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i know capitalism or populism is classic argument republicans and democrats have in us..i think this argument works for them cause they have free education..food stamps..so even the poorest have basic security and chance to grow upto high school..but in india rural child or poor child suffer from malnutrition..child labor..no education etc..so expecting them to be competant or competitive is unreasonable..they need help..who is going to provide it only government.. also capitalists in india unlike US are money hoarders..there are only few like azim premji or shiv nadar who indulge in charity while ambani brothers give almost nothing to society.. this is where the main difference in all inclusive growth by congress they are doing direct deposit..farm waiver..reservations etc..not flawless but there is an attempt..bjp in name of capitalism has not done much for that section of society only given lip service saying that we think everyone is same..but boss this thinking helps rich get richer..but doesnt help poor uplift [QUOTE=FutureBull]One policy which is essence of successful capitalism is 'minimal government and maximum governance'. Go and check history all those countries which migrated from poor to wealthy have followed this policy. If at all these get implemented we would be in another world together. Indians are very very capable people. I personally worked with people of more than 15 nationalities and have always found Indians doing very well except on some obvious issues like communication, in marketing themselves etc. If we want to leapfrog to another orbit we just need honest and effective admin which withdraws itself from many non-productive areas.
In short, we need heavy dose of 5 yrs of capitalism or we would go broke and hit the wall sooner than later the way we are going about freebies and subsidies. As far as BJP is concerned they were the first to bring fuel reform policy which has been copied by UPA in total. They had courage to raise kerosene prices which has not been increased since NDA time. Electricity act 2003 was dumped and we are facing power shortages across the board. I can go on and on but we have to look forward. Can BJP deliver? yes they can but not when you have rainbow coalitions. |
Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 10/Mar/2013 at 12:11pm
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Yes everyone would get free food, free electricity, free fertilizer, free this and that..till this country goes bankrupt. Welfare state can only go to the limit of making everyone poor and then you would head towards civil war. Look at Europe, Middle east and some African countries. Some people do not believe in expanding the pie but cutting the existing pie smaller and smaller to achieve electoral gains. There are no shortage of folks who live on these handouts. Even after 65yrs of independence 65% of the population need free food to survive. We should hang our head in shame.
All these slogans you have written, in use since the days of great iron lady, has only left us to see ranks of poor swell. How much of the budget goes into skill development? The family learnt it from Gujarat and allowed 800cr in this budget. Employment issue solved! Hail the family for this grand gesture!
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Posted By: 1234
Date Posted: 10/Mar/2013 at 1:02pm
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there should be no freebies, right. should this not also include LAND. land that are given free or at much lower rate to industrialist. you take away from poor farmers and give it for producing cars.remember bengal controversy, do tatas and adanis sale their products at subsidised rate? why they should be given free land? true capitalism is that they should purchase lands for their factories from farmers at bazaar rates.
when narmada bachao andolan demanded that adivasis should be given land for land that are coming under submergances as they would not be able to use cash compensation judiciously, Govt. of MP and Gujarat said they do not have so much land, but their are so many lands to oblige tatas and adanis and others. concessions that benefits rich are projected as in the interest of nation but that benefits poor are burden on economy. why there is no tax on long term capital gain? nobody takes medicine for taste or as hobby, why Govt. should tax medicine, they are expecting returns from men suffering from diseases. majority of indians know who stand for what, they do not have forums, no internet , no voice but just VOTE they use every couple of years and they use it well. |
Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 10/Mar/2013 at 3:37pm
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I knew this argument coming. The overall economic benefit of giving slight concession far outweighs the costs. Mr. Tata has been on record to say that they had to pay market rate for Sanand plant. Look at the stampede to set up auto plants there. The place could turn out to be another Detroit in coming years and those who lost land would be rich since they have business acumen in their blood unlike poor peasants in Bengal. The automobile plants can't hang in outer space they need place on this earth and credit goes to those who bring it in their backyard. The salaries of workers and other SME business incomes come free with these plants which don't go into the pockets of leaders of these states. Common folks go up the ladder and that's what people of MP and Gujarat have been voting for again and again. BTW, tribals in Guj. turned decisively in favour of BJP this time. At least they could see designs of vote bank politics of other party. ------------- ‘The market always does what it’s supposed to — BUT NEVER WHEN’. |
Posted By: Monkey
Date Posted: 10/Mar/2013 at 3:47pm
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I believe one should not look at land given to industry in isolation but as a complete deal. Setting up of a greenfiled project results in lot of cascading benefits like employment generation, development of ancilliary units, assured tax revenue for state etc. This is why there is worldwide competetion for attracting investments.
I can go on and on about benefits of industiral investments. However, I know, it is not going to cut ice with others who are believers of equal distribution. I have argued at length with some of my friends, with me saying that you need to first increase generation in order to be able to increase distribution. However, not a single soul is convinced. On the contrary, I am told I am insensitive to the plight of poor of the country etc etc. I feel resistance to industrial investments is very strong in India except for few states like Gujarat and, perhaps, Tamilnadu. (I hope I am wrong about this last statement.)
Anyways, since this is investment forum, I think it is better to focus on "what if" scenarios without involving individual emotions and passions into the discussions. Highly charged arguments tend to do nothing good.
May I suggest let us discussed "what if" scenarios?
What if Modi becomes PM with 200 seats for BJP? (may look impossible to many but we are discussing here "what if" scenario)
What if UPA comes back to power wirh 200 seats for Congress? (Again, may look impossible to many but we are discussing here "what if" scenario)
What if Mulayam becomes PM with outside support of Congress, left front etc?
What would be the implications for our investments of such scenarios and how do we deal with it to ensure that we are on right track,
I guess discussion on above line would serve the purpose of this forum. Let us not break bond of virtual friendships based on emotionally charged arguments.
Please.......
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Posted By: kazihamed
Date Posted: 10/Mar/2013 at 7:12pm
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till now middleclass and rich have got benefits of subsidies cause they consume petrol diesel..congress has taken this away and given that to poor not as free bie but thru nrega where u do get some job.. i maintain if it was at discretion of industrialist and individuals they would just care for themselves and ignore individuals..i have seen people fight for rs 100 to give their servants..and we not what ambani bros and lot like them stand for hoard the money for sons and cream investors..
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Posted By: Monkey
Date Posted: 10/Mar/2013 at 7:44pm
My friend, I know this argument. However, I have seen the benefits of industrialization very closely, resulting in improved quality of life in a small village of Uttar Pradesh where I used to work. I suggest you better go to a village called Babrala in western UP and ask people how a fertiliser plant put up by Tata Chemicals has changed life better for them. You will have your answers.
See, we need development in India to improve quality of life. Not everyone is fortunate enough to migrate to Australia like you. It is easy to make comments when there is no skin in the game.
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Posted By: vaib
Date Posted: 10/Mar/2013 at 9:21pm
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To face the truth, lives can be improved only by increased production and technology. If there are only 100 toothbrush and 1000 people, no amount of subsidy is going to help, it will only distort the market and increase corruption. All congress has taught to India is whom to give subsidy and whom to give reservations. I bet no amount of subsidy is going to help even in next 100 years. India would just remain same.
If we just go through the history after independence and focus on things which have changed lives: 1. Green revolution 2. Milk revolution 3. IT 4. let go licence raj 5. private entrepreneurs. Now we can see pattern that to make significant changes to the life of the people only increased production and increased productivity of the people can help. Congress feeds on freebies, subsidy and reservations. All of their energy is focused on how can I buy vote with govt money. What modi is doing right is enabling people to earn what they deserve and not make them disable with free money supply. |
Posted By: LearningToFly
Date Posted: 10/Mar/2013 at 12:55pm
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There is no subsidy on petrol and diesel folks. This is sheer nonsense. If the Government has guts, let it disclose the acquisition price and how this comes up to Rs 70 per liter. ------------- Success... at all cost. |