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Topic: AMATEUR STOCKPICKING-- Study and Inferences.
Posted By: hit2710
Subject: AMATEUR STOCKPICKING-- Study and Inferences.
Date Posted: 07/Jan/2010 at 9:49pm

Hi all,

 

I began posting my views on various stocks starting from June09.

I have tried to tabulate the prices at the time of posting and the highs and lows post synopsis posting in various stocks.

 

My initial knowledge regarding stock picking and what to look for in a stock before investing was based on reading Peter Lynch's book "One up on Wall Street" and some research for fundamentals on the net for various financial data.

 

I was not initially conversant with parameters like Cash Flow, ROE,ROCE etc and still don't know how exactly to compute them but now know the utility of such ratios and implications of such ratios in researching stocks.

 

I have done some retrospective study on the stocks I posted  and come out with various inferences based on this study. I hope this helps fellow amateur stock pickers in coming up with good picks which can help us all get richer in knowledge and financially as well.

 

 

 

STOCK

PRICE

DATE

HIGH POST RECO

LOW POST RECO

CMP

CURRENT VIEW

PARAL  

88

19/06/09

168

82

158

Buy declines

TTK PRES 

120

22/06/09

448

115

428

HOLD

LEAF

80

23/06/09

175

77

168

Buy declines

NUMERIC

195

24/06/09

302

183

297

Buy declines

NATCO

80

26/06/09

145

70

125

BUY

VST TILLERS

285

09/07/09

580

269

530

BUY

AGROTECH

135

09/07/09

299

130

287

HOLD

PATELS AIR

50

17/07/09

80

48

78

Buy declines

VBC FERRO

280

19/09/09

514

269

400

Buy declines

SUPRAJIT

86

04/08/09

117

78

118

Buy declines

APW

75

05/08/09

152

73

127

Buy declines

VIVIMED

78

07/08/09

145

73

135

BUY

OIL COUNT

67

07/08/09

140

64

126

Buy declines

INTL COMB

215

21/09/09

381

210

364

HOLD

HEIDELBERG

42

23/08/09

51

33

49

Buy declines

RESURGERE

83

25/08/09

126

71

98

HOLD

KALINDEE

145

04/09/09

239

138

216

Buy declines

PTL ENT

15

07/09/09

22.9

13.55

17

SELL

SEJAL GLASS

48

10/09/09

67

43

53

Buy declines

REI AGRO

48

16/09/09

54

40

54

SELL

INDNIPP

191

24/09/09

216

179

211

BUY

TCI INDS

1440

06/10/09

2750

1370

2200

HOLD

HALDYN GL

85

20/10/09

95

74

94

Buy declines

ABCIL

82

29/10/09

102

78

96

HOLD

CAMLIN

23

06/11/09

26

22

24

BUY

MANJUSHRI

33

17/11/09

53

30

50

HOLD

TINPLATE

64

19/11/09

94

58

88

HOLD

ANDHRA PET

13

23/11/09

15.5

12.3

15

BUY

ESSDEE

343

24/11/09

391

318

380

Buy declines

ANANTRAJ

135

26/11/09

146

125

142

BUY

TECHNO ELE

163

12/12/09

225

160

220

HOLD

GATI

57

18/12/09

66

55

64

BUY

MAYUR UNI

103

23/11/09

126

98

122

Buy declines

JOCIL

267

31/12/09

286

261

275

Buy declines

PAN CARB

167

05/01/10

175

161

171

BUY

MAZDA

85

07/01/10

87

84

87

BUY

 

 

INFERENCES:

1 Relatively lesser known stocks or stocks out or favour with good fundamentals or good future prospects are likely to give superior returns. The  amateur investor/stock picker has an edge here because not too much is known about the company or its prospects.

2. Commonly known and recommended stocks like essdee, anantraj, etc have not given very great returns. Here most of the people know almost everything about the stocks.

3. It is very important that stocks chosen do not have too much debt or if there is debt, it has to be serviceable as in the case of parekh aluminex.

4. The general perception of average investor about the management pedigree may be flawed and has to be taken with a pinch of salt. E.g  In thread of Parekh Aluminex, there were a lot of allegations about management integrity based on their rumoured buying/selling stocks in stock markets. If these were taken seriously, a two bagger would easily have been missed.

5.High return ratios are always not necessary for getting good returns when there i s good market momentum.   These could be very important for stocks which are bought into with a long term view in mind. E.g 1-3-5 or more years

6. Market perception about the prospects of a company often changes within a short span of time and this often leads to sudden changes in stock prices.

7. I have observed a fair amount of lag period between posting of a stock and run ups in stocks which allows one to do some more research and thinking and then buying the stock.(the exception being tci industries as rapidriser will agree.)   It is also possible to keep looking at these stocks and buy during good declines as in case of anantraj inds or ind Nippon or Heidelberg cements.

 

 

 



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Stockmarket is a weird place. For every person who buys a stock there is a person who sells it and both think they are very smart.



Replies:
Posted By: prabhakarkudva
Date Posted: 07/Jan/2010 at 9:18am
Great work Hitji.Really appreciate all the hard work you've been putting in and sharing your research.

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Take your chances and keep them in a box until a quieter time.


Posted By: abhishekbasu
Date Posted: 07/Jan/2010 at 9:32am
Great Work!! What is interesting to me is the process you follow to zero-in on a stock for doing further research? Do you use any stock screener to start with or use reference?

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Posted By: hit2710
Date Posted: 07/Jan/2010 at 9:41am
Originally posted by abhishekbasu

Great Work!! What is interesting to me is the process you follow to zero-in on a stock for doing further research? Do you use any stock screener to start with or use reference?


No I dont use any stock screeners. But when I see good chart patterns of some stocks I usually dig into fundamentals and see what I find.

e.g I saw very good pattern in andhra petro on longer term charts and found out that it was a good turnaround and growth candidate due to its expansion kicking in.

Mazda was discussed on ted but nobody had posted the details completely and when i studied it I found it was even now a compelling buy.

TCSer in his thread mentioned the name mayur uniquoters and I found that one also to be a good stock.

Stock ideas come from anywhere and then I apply some basic fact finding.

I am not too obsessed with very high roe, roce etc. If it is above 15% it is okay with me for companies in expansion and growth phase.

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Stockmarket is a weird place. For every person who buys a stock there is a person who sells it and both think they are very smart.


Posted By: nazgul
Date Posted: 07/Jan/2010 at 10:14am

Bravo hit. Buddy you are doing a commendable job and that deserves a standing ovation.
I am myself an avid follower of your stocks and recos. Ever since VST, parekh alum and Manju turned out nice (in fact very very nice) after i studied them, am very convinced that stocks that you recommend need to be checked out first. In fact what i really admire about you is that you post the findings in a very true manner. Most of the things you recommend and i cross checked, don't have much of a deviation. This really facilitates the trust in your recos which for are the first things to check. Your latest one Mazda, is also a hidden gem, a steady compounder value buy.
Bravo buddy...and Thanks for the excellent effort and give back.

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I don't do funds, i do fundas.


Posted By: vaib
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 2:14pm
Deepak fertilizer and lakshmi energy and food should also be there in the list.


Posted By: manish_okhade
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 4:07pm

Hitesh,

Appreciate the efforts to summarize your investment philosophy. Indeed i agree with most of your approach. Just would like to add following:

Small/mid caps inspite of their fundamentals fall very fast as compared to proven businesses in large caps. They run up very late too like in present time when investors are finding it hard to find good bets in large caps. So they are a risky buy at run up or peak but an excellent buy on dips. So cathc is here that one should pick them up when the business looks scalable in future and not dependant on few vectors alone.

Sometime back i was fascinated with ADF Foods, it was darling of some excellent MF Mgrs and trading very high. But fell steeply during collapse    :-(.
 

 



Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 4:22pm
ADF Foods is a good company, although problem is - all their revenues come from outside India.
 
Juhi Chawla is their brand ambassador for their chutneys, pickles and ready to eat food. Type 'Juhi Ashoka' in Youtube to check their ads.


Posted By: praveen
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by hit2710

Hi all,

4. The general perception of average investor about the management pedigree may be flawed and has to be taken with a pinch of salt. E.g  In thread of Parekh Aluminex, there were a lot of allegations about management integrity based on their rumoured buying/selling stocks in stock markets. If these were taken seriously, a two bagger would easily have been missed.

 
Just to ensure that we as investors don't end up learning wrong lessons.  I would like to make Two Points
 
1. One should never ever judge management on the basis of stock performance (especially in short term). One would be much better off judging them on the basis of Long term business performance.
Remember in the short term markets are like voting machine;
 
2. When in doubt err towards conservatism.... As they say "Caveat Emptor"
 


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The quest for knowledge is a never ending Journey


Posted By: hit2710
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 5:49pm
Originally posted by praveen

One should never ever judge management on the basis of stock performance (especially in short term). One would be much better off judging them on the basis of Long term business performance.


The long term business performance of Parekh Aluminex is and at that time was for all to see.

The judgement in the thread was being made on the basis of the promoters buying/selling stocks in share market and suchlike things. (I tried to find out where the promoters indulged in the markets except buying their own shares and could not conclusively find any deals on their behalf)

I dont say that I like the management of Parekh Aluminex, but in my view, they form the average kind of management which we see in 90% of companies traded on the exchanges.

What I highlighted is that the perception of the "average" investor who is not in close contact with the promoters is often flawed.

When someone comes out with statements like "a friend of mine who knows the management to be so and so", I would like to take that information with a pinch of salt.

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Stockmarket is a weird place. For every person who buys a stock there is a person who sells it and both think they are very smart.


Posted By: hit2710
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 5:54pm
Originally posted by smartcat

ADF Foods is a good company, although problem is - all their revenues come from outside India.


I think earlier it was American dry fruits.
Do they own Mother's Recipe brand?

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Stockmarket is a weird place. For every person who buys a stock there is a person who sells it and both think they are very smart.


Posted By: manish_okhade
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 6:20pm
ADF is a good brand and recently it has run up from lows of 20 to 65. Get this more details http://www.scribd.com/.../ADF-Foods-Limited-Report-17th-June-2008-Dhananjayan - www.scribd.com/.../ADF-Foods-Limited-Report-17th-June-2008-Dhananjayan
 
Another small cap i admire is Grindwell Norton.


Posted By: hit2710
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 6:27pm
Originally posted by manish_okhade

Another small cap i admire is Grindwell Norton


Same business as Orient Abrasives?

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Stockmarket is a weird place. For every person who buys a stock there is a person who sells it and both think they are very smart.


Posted By: manish_okhade
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 6:29pm
Same business as Orient Abrasives?
 
D'not know but nearest competitor is Corborendum.


Posted By: hit2710
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 6:32pm
Originally posted by manish_okhade

D'not know but nearest competitor is Corborendum.


Carborundum has recently run up a lot.

I am looking at repro india ltd. It is into publishing business and there are a lot of outsourcing opportunities for Indian companies.

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Stockmarket is a weird place. For every person who buys a stock there is a person who sells it and both think they are very smart.


Posted By: praveen
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 8:45pm
Originally posted by hit2710

Originally posted by praveen

One should never ever judge management on the basis of stock performance (especially in short term). One would be much better off judging them on the basis of Long term business performance.


The long term business performance of Parekh Aluminex is and at that time was for all to see.

The judgement in the thread was being made on the basis of the promoters buying/selling stocks in share market and suchlike things. (I tried to find out where the promoters indulged in the markets except buying their own shares and could not conclusively find any deals on their behalf)

I dont say that I like the management of Parekh Aluminex, but in my view, they form the average kind of management which we see in 90% of companies traded on the exchanges.

What I highlighted is that the perception of the "average" investor who is not in close contact with the promoters is often flawed.

When someone comes out with statements like "a friend of mine who knows the management to be so and so", I would like to take that information with a pinch of salt.


I would once again say learning the wrong lessons from one off case that too unconclusive might be detrimental to an investors long term wealth.

I rest my case

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The quest for knowledge is a never ending Journey


Posted By: hit2710
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 10:44pm
Originally posted by praveen


I would once again say learning the wrong lessons from one off case that too unconclusive might be detrimental to an investors long term wealth.
I rest my case


I agree with your view about one off case not being a way to be a lesson to long term wealth creation.

What I presented were inferences and not necessarily conclusions. Thanks for your views.

regards,
Hitesh.

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Stockmarket is a weird place. For every person who buys a stock there is a person who sells it and both think they are very smart.


Posted By: excel_monkey
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 12:10pm
Originally posted by smartcat

ADF Foods is a good company, although problem is - all their revenues come from outside India.
 

Juhi Chawla is their brand ambassador for their chutneys, pickles and ready to eat food. Type 'Juhi Ashoka' in Youtube to check their ads.


Man this ADF foods story has been peddled since last 10-15 years
Just look at the past performance
I don't know there's always someone from investment community talking about the stock but the company never performed


Posted By: excel_monkey
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 12:17pm
Hi Hit,

Do you have any update on Resurgere?
I think that the stock has potential but am scared as the stock was named in Nirmal Kotecha scam

as well as Motilal Oswal and Ramdeo Agarwal use to own some stake in the company


Posted By: excel_monkey
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 12:17pm
Hi Hit,

Do you have any update on Resurgere?
I think that the stock has potential but am scared as the stock was named in Nirmal Kotecha scam

as well as Motilal Oswal and Ramdeo Agarwal use to own some stake in the company


Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 1:45am
Man this ADF foods story has been peddled since last 10-15 years
Just look at the past performance. I don't know there's always someone from investment community talking about the stock but the company never performed
 
ADF Foods stock has returned 20% CAGR in the past 10 years - which is pretty much a "standard" for a FMCG company. It's only those who expect the stock to double every year will be disappointed.
 
However, I'm currently sitting on 90% gains in 6 months on a slow compounder like ADF Foods. Conversely, I have made huge losses in stocks that are supposed to grow their profits at 40% CAGR forever.
 
When it comes to investing in small caps, timing the entry into the stock and exit from the stock is the key.


Posted By: excel_monkey
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 2:05am
Originally posted by smartcat

Man this ADF foods story has been peddled since last 10-15 years Just look at the past performance. I don't know there's always someone from investment community talking about the stock but the company never performed

 

ADF Foods stock has returned 20% CAGR in the past 10 years - which is pretty much a "standard" for a FMCG company. It's only those who expect the stock to double every year will be disappointed.

 

However, I'm currently sitting on 90% gains in 6 months on a slow compounder like ADF Foods. Conversely, I have made huge losses in stocks that are supposed to grow their profits at 40% CAGR forever.

 

When it comes to investing in small caps, timing the entry into the stock and exit from the stock is the key.


I agree that the entry point is of utmost importance

and good for you that you are sitting on profits




Posted By: joslinjose9
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 4:40am
hi hit,
i am a great follower of your stock ideas.thanks for your great work.

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fear of lord is the beginning of wisdom


Posted By: EquityInv
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2010 at 5:58am
Hitbhai,

You have wonderful combination of fundamental and technical knowledge! Thanks for always sharing that knowledge and uncovering stories. Most of your listed picks are great.

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One of the best rules anybody can learn about investing is to do nothing, absolutely nothing, unless there is something to do – James Rogers


Posted By: naveenbadaya
Date Posted: 14/Jan/2010 at 1:08pm
Thanks Hiteshji,

I am avid follower of your reco...You add gr8 qualitative view to stocks.....just as you did in case of Mazda.....Thanks for putting all the hard work for all of us.

Most of your picks rock!


Posted By: learn2earn
Date Posted: 02/Apr/2010 at 3:56pm
I would like to see more stock analysis fundas and ideas for amateur stock picker like me in this thread instead of discussing stocks that already have dedicated links for discussing them.

Hitji ,I really admire your self less attitude and time you devote to benefit all the fellow members.

Cheers.


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INVESTING - EMOTION = SUCCESS


Posted By: chimak10
Date Posted: 13/Sep/2010 at 6:36pm
Updates please.



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