Hindustan Unilever - HUL
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Topic: Hindustan Unilever - HUL
Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Subject: Hindustan Unilever - HUL
Date Posted: 14/Mar/2009 at 5:33pm
Just realised there wasn't a topic on this company!
Anyway, saw this elsewhere:
Part of the problem the world is facing now is because we were chasing
numbers. We were living in a 'foo foo' world. We were chasing quarterly
numbers the financial community was forcing on us.
Asking us, 'Why don't you grow faster, take more debt on your balance
sheet, why don't you do more share buybacks, and produce more?' We were
in this rat race of quarterly reporting. Every quarter had to be
better. And that created a lot of the problems that we now see. People
started to chase ghosts. So we don't give any outlook now, we are
focusing on our business, focusing harder because of the economic
environment and building the confidence with the numbers that we put on
paper.
In his book, The Seven Habits of Highly Successful People, Stephen
Covey says, "You can't talk yourself out of the space you behaved
yourself into." This is true. We try to do that. I don't care what the
people say, but we are going to behave ourselves into being a good
company and a great company, into a 'Unilever Hindustan' globally.
Source: http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1238856&pageid=0 - DNA Money
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 14/Mar/2009 at 5:52pm
Undoubtedly, one of the stablest companies, but is losing its grip in many of the product categories and product lines. Thats a major problem.....otherwise, one can safely say, when in doubt, buy HUL!!!!
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 14/Mar/2009 at 7:38pm
aul Polman is unlikely to ever forget his first visit to India as group chief exec utive officer of Unilever Plc.
About four months ago, on 26/ 11, Polman and the top brass of Unilever and Hindustan Unilever Ltd (HUL) were at the Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai, when their dinner meeting was rudely interrupted by terrorists.
Back for a second visit, Polman told reporters on Friday at Lever House, the headquarters of the consumer goods firm’s Indian subsidiary, that his primary reason to revisit the city was to “finish a meal”.
“It was absolutely important to meet the heroes at the Taj Mahal and express our gratitude,” he said more seriously.
Polman’s two-day visit packed a schedule that included visits to a cancer hospital, a few shopping malls and meeting consumers from “different economic classes”. Polman addressed the media, flanked by Harish Manwani, president (Asia Africa) and a member of the Unilever board, and Nitin Paranjpe, CEO of HUL.
The press briefing was followed by a town hall meeting with HUL employees.
Polman said the recession could help firms such as Uni lever. “Consumers postpone buying cars, televisions and that frees up a lot of money to spend on everyday needs. We don’t see personal care or food markets go down substantially,” said Polman, the only lateral hire for the top job in Unilever in many years. Before joining Unilever, Polman spent 26 years at arch rival Procter and Gamble (P&G) and two years in Nestle SA.
“We are fortunate, that India, Indonesia and South Africa are growing at 5-6%,” he said, adding that when he set a target on how HUL could double its turnover, the company’s executives had appeared unfazed. “Obviously the population helps,” he quipped. “We are in an industry that drives the economy. We put a little bit of powder in a box and a little bit of liquid in a bottle and we sell it to improve the lives of people a little bit more.” Unilever is also getting nim bler as it launches products simultaneously in several markets. For instance, its deodorant Axe Chocolate was launched in 52 countries simultaneously.
But the company’s foods business has been a laggard in India.
It accounts for roughly half of Unilever’s worldwide business, but in India, it remains a small part of HUL’s overall business.
Paranjpe admitted that there is work to be done. “Food as a packaged food category is less than 5% of the total market.” Paranjpe said the food category would be a tactical play in the short-term, and that the company was focused on getting its brands to “win the end game”.
Polman is unfazed by the recent trend of organized retailers promoting private labels to compete against the mega brands of consumer product firms. “They don’t exist as a value proposition,” said Polman, adding that while companies such as Unilever keep innovating their products, private labels are not very innovative.
Polman implied that a company such as Unilever is more focused than retailers: Unilever, he said, is present in 11 product categories unlike retailers such as Wal-Mart that dabble in at least 100,000 categories. In response to a mischievous question on whether he would borrow best practices from Unilever’s arch rival P&G, Polman, with his tongue firmly in cheek, said customer practices of Japanese car maker Toyota and supply chain principles of Fedex, the global logistics firm, may be a better choice.
Like all major corporations, Unilever, said Polman, is now focusing on cash flows. The company has also stopped issuing earnings guidance to investors and analysts. It has also appointed global procurement officers to buy inputs at the best rates from any part of the world. “We’ll save on costs and invest that money in our brands,” said Polman.
Source: LiveMint
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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 14/Mar/2009 at 9:29pm
Originally posted by Vivek Sukhani
.....Polman is unfazed by the recent trend of organized retailers promoting private labels to compete against the mega brands of consumer product firms. “They don’t exist as a value proposition,” said Polman, adding that while companies such as Unilever keep innovating their products, private labels are not very innovative.
Polman implied that a company such as Unilever is more focused than retailers: Unilever, he said, is present in 11 product categories unlike retailers such as Wal-Mart that dabble in at least 100,000 categories..... Source: LiveMint |
If one agrees that the retail model is far advanced in many of Unilever's regions of operation than in India and that Unilever is still a profit-making, dividend-distributing proposition, then HUL most likely will be able to counter any moves by "retail". Further, "retail" is negligible in rural areas. Even in urban areas, "retail" should be more concerned with competing against kiranas rather than taking on FMCGs, especially those with strong brand recall.
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 15/Mar/2009 at 1:27pm
Retail companies have made far too enemies, you see.
They are competing/fighting/haggling/negotiating with kiranas, political leaders, FMCG companies, landlords, bankers and financiers,sometimes with employees( as in case of Subhiksha)also among themselves as well......!!!!!!
This type of a situation calls for multi-pronged attack, which in turn, requires incredible financial might, which most of t hem lack. I, therefore, dont see much of a hope for them until and unless they make some conciliatory moves. They need to identify the friends among the partners, whom they have actually made their arch-foes.
FMCG companies do fight among themselves, but they work quite closely with their suppliers and customers. Their fight is more royal and takes place either in the form of advertisements or in the court-room. they dont fight with their bankers, or their suppliers or the distributors. Thats the main cause why FMCG cos will butcher these retailers in this game!!!!!
------------- Jai Guru!!!
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Posted By: beryr
Date Posted: 16/Mar/2009 at 9:15am
Just realised there wasn't a topic on this company!
Wow no topic on HUL. That was a great contrarian signal. For the limited number of HUL fans here is a link to the future growth in dividends from this stalwart : http://www.equitymaster.com/detail.asp?date=3/16/2009&story=2 - http://www.equitymaster.com/detail.asp?date=3/16/2009&story=2 . A ten per cent yield 5 years away. Possible yes.
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 16/Mar/2009 at 9:42am
How come HUL's yield is close to 4 p.c.???
Secondly,is it a joke to continuously grow dividends at 20 p.c.p.a for 5 years?
HUL will be a stable company, but not a company that will scorch the screen......
------------- Jai Guru!!!
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Posted By: Monkey
Date Posted: 23/Aug/2009 at 9:38pm
Can we expect monsoon related fears to create buying opportunity in HUL? I know it is slow growing company. But, at some low price, it would make a good long term investment. What that price could be?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 23/Aug/2009 at 9:08am
Why would you look at HUL of all companies? This one isn't going to outperform the sensex over the long term!
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Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 24/Aug/2009 at 12:51pm
If it goes to 225. It is good to make 20% risk free return. Your FD money can go there. But this is not for likes of you Basantjit. It is for lesser mortals.
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Posted By: Monkey
Date Posted: 24/Aug/2009 at 8:40pm
Yes. At some price, it would make sense to buy HUL instead of making 3 year or 5 year FD for fixed inxome portion of one's asset allocation.
In fact, I know couple of retirees who treat dividends of HUL like inflation adjusted pension.
Also, being less volatile and mostly range bound, HUL is good stock for writing covered call. Idea is to buy one lot of HUL after a good correction and write out of money call such that one can pocket 1-1/2% to 2% premium per month. If call does not get exercised, same can be repeated month after month. If call gets exercised, sell HUL and pocket the difference as well.
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Posted By: suyogagrawal
Date Posted: 24/Aug/2009 at 11:52am
below 230
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Posted By: amitdip
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2009 at 3:18pm
Unilever to buy Sara Lee soaps for $1.88 billion
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/unilever-to-buy-sara-lee-soaps-for-188-billion/371329/
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Posted By: venkat
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2009 at 4:04pm
Originally posted by basant
Why would you look at HUL of all companies? This one isn't going to outperform the sensex over the long term! |
Look At ITC Target of 270 in 3 Months
RD Obssessed with Godrej Properties
Adi Godrej will sell the IPO at a premium
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Posted By: bub100
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2009 at 6:20pm
link with BS is not working
check this one
http://www.unilever.com/mediacentre/pressreleases/2009/UnilevertoacquirethepersonalcarebusinessofSaraLee.aspx
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Posted By: beryr
Date Posted: 06/Feb/2010 at 5:41pm
Now that the price is down to 230/ is it time to convert our FDs into HUL as a senior member pointed out in an earlier post. Any views please.
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Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 06/Feb/2010 at 8:48pm
I think so. A 10% capital appreciation and 3.5% div yield is almost guarateed.
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Posted By: beryr
Date Posted: 06/Feb/2010 at 9:38am
Agree the assumption is reasonable. I remember investing in Colgate in 2003/2004 when it was also stuck in a similar predicament of flat profits and no returns for a decade - and now its results amaze me. Can HUL regain growth and replicate a similar story ? Any views please.
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Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 06/Feb/2010 at 10:03am
With HUL expectation has to be low. It is much larger and is present in highly penetrated categories like soaps and detergents unlike Colgate. So HUL needs to compared only with FDs and it compares well against 6-8% being offered by FDs.
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Posted By: commnman
Date Posted: 25/Jan/2011 at 6:09pm
Daag achchi nahin
Big daddy of FMCG come out with results. Markets didn't cheer...
Total Income up 12.1% to 5127.71 Cr from 4573.23 Cr.
EBIDTA DOWN 7.9% to 725 Cr from 787.5 Cr.
Adj Net profit (Stripped of Exceptions) DOWN 5.2% to 573.22 Cr from 604.63 Cr.
Net Profit DOWN 2% to 637.5 Cr from 649 Cr (helped by Exceptions which is up 45% to 64.29 Cr from 44.5 Cr)
EBIDTA margin is 14.14% V/s 17.22%
Net profit margin is 12.43% V/s 14.19%
Total raw material cost as a %ge to sales is 50.1% V/s 48.21%
Advertisement expenses 14.5% V/s 13.8%
What led this disappointment? just look at the segments...
Soaps & Detergents (Contributes most to topline):
Sales up 6% to 2193 Cr from 2072 Cr.
OP profit, terrible, DOWN 39% to 169.33 Cr from 278.45 Cr.
Margin here down to 7.72% from 13.44%
Personal Products somewhat stable:
Sales up 20% to 1654.7 Cr from 1377 Cr
OP profit up 8.4% to 476.85 Cr from 440 Cr.
Margins compressed to 29% from 32%
Beverages actually done well:
Sales up 9.3% to 602.21 Cr from 551.11 Cr.
Profit up a healthy 24% to 101.4 Cr from 81.73 Cr.
Margins improved to 16.83% from 14.83%
Processed foods, Ice creams, chemical & water - nothing to write about.
Surprisingly, there is an Exports segment and it is doing very well:
Sales up 9.7% to 290.91 Cr from 265.3 Cr.
OP Profit up 201%, Yes 201% to 22.68 Cr from 7.53 Cr.
HUL went down in the markets today and it took many other FMCGs down with it !
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Posted By: beryr
Date Posted: 25/Jan/2011 at 8:33pm
Thanks for the logical analysis. Yes, problems persist - specially in the soaps and detergents, but they may get pricing power back with elevated levels of inflation everywhere.
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Posted By: numcru
Date Posted: 25/Jan/2011 at 9:53pm
Originally posted by beryr
Agree the assumption is reasonable. I remember investing in Colgate in 2003/2004 when it was also stuck in a similar predicament of flat profits and no returns for a decade - and now its results amaze me. Can HUL regain growth and replicate a similar story ? Any views please. |
I have learnt to pay obeisances to companies which have 6 as their guiding number whether Infosys (1,5) or Yes Bank or a Hindustan Unilever. More especially when I receive credit from unexpected sources as an intricate market timer (which I am not). Especially I feel is 14 year olds trading in the market enables them to learn a lot and evolve. With my one foot in the grave, I have learnt to steer clear of trading and not check my portfolio everyday. Maybe I should have started early......but that is for another day to brood over.
Hindustan Unilever may give moderate gains as compared to a Nestle!
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 26/Jan/2011 at 12:03pm
Originally posted by beryr
Thanks for the logical analysis. Yes, problems persist - specially in the soaps and detergents, but they may get pricing power back with elevated levels of inflation everywhere. |
Hmm....for this to happen HUL needs to be able to raise prices faster than input price rise...Possible but sounds a bit difficult esp in the lower priced category of products....
Could you please elaborate on what changed for Colgate?
Lack of vigorous competition is something which comes to my mind...given that competition some how wore off
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 27/Jan/2011 at 8:33pm
Despite it not remaining the same old glorious business it still remains a damn good setup.
The other day they published their results on ET and i noticed that their top 2 businesses runs on negative deployed capital. Now that's something
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Posted By: beryr
Date Posted: 27/Jan/2011 at 9:49am
There is little doubt on the excellent calibre of the management at HUL. HUL has done an amazing job in withstanding the intense competition - witness the ad budget of around 2500 crores. Like the situation Colgate was in - the competition waned and the results thereafter tell a good story. Hope something similar is replicated at HUL.
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Posted By: Circuit
Date Posted: 17/Jul/2011 at 11:57am
These days most of those who appear on TV chant - "दाग अच्छे है"
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Posted By: tejas.k
Date Posted: 09/Sep/2011 at 10:33am
I never understood why HUL is not growing despite having so many products in consumer market. In grocery stores, you can see HUL presence in almost every category. Soaps, Hair products, ice creams,noodles, ketchup, toothpastes you name it. Is it because most of it comes from soaps which is already penetrated? But even if thats true, their products in other segments are very good. Take took paste for example. they have pepsodent and close up which can take Colgate on. On the other hand, if you compare to ITC, its one of the favs in investor community. And nobody talks about HUL. (Though ITC sales has almost doubled in last 4 yrs, the eps growth is flat/negative). I will not compare to Nestle since it has monopoly in some of the products.
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Posted By: beryr
Date Posted: 31/Oct/2011 at 10:38am
Finally HUL seems to get into stride. Good sustainable growth after a long time - HUL gets its mojo right.
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Posted By: shontou
Date Posted: 02/Nov/2011 at 5:33pm
Conference Call
Hindustan Unilever
Despite high inflation and price hike, significant downtrading is not yet seen
Hindustan Unilever (HUL) held conference call to discuss the results for the quarter ended September 2011.
Highlights of the meet
As regards overall FMCG market management said that it has seen double digit growth in Q2, a price driven growth particularly in soap and detergent segment. The competitive scenario still remains high in FMCG. Rising inflation is cause of concern. It has not seen any significant downtrading in any of its category. Also the rural market was good, slightly ahead of urban growth. Overall FMCG market remains strong and expects to grow.
The company's strategy remain consistent: competitive growth, profitable growth and sustainable growth.
The net sales for Q2 has increased by 18% to Rs 5610.48 crore. Domestic Consumer Business (FMCG + Water) grew by 18.5% with both HPC and Food business growing by 17%. The volume growth for Domestic Consumer business was 10%. All segments have delivered double digit growth for the third consecutive quarter. OPM has inclined by 116 basis points to 14.7%. The company has seen cost of inflation in its key commodities up by 25%. The net profit has increased by 22% to Rs 688.92 crore
The management said that the strong growth is a result of the new innovations led by Lux, coupled with Pond's, Fair & Lovely, Vaseline, Dove and flavoured tea bags; market development initiatives esp. in personal products; and continued emphasis on enhancing distribution.
Inflation and commodity costs continued to be high. Cost pressures were managed dynamically through aggressive savings programmes coupled with judicious pricing. Cost of Goods Sold is up by 340 bps due to high input costs, especially in Soaps & Detergents.
The key commodities like palm oil, crude oil and coffee has seen rise of 20%, 45% and 52% y-o-y respectively in Q2. The currency depreciation will have an adverse impact going forward.
The overall competitive intensity remained high and A&P spends at 11.8% of sales was maintained at competitive levels. Brand investment was stepped up in Personal Products, Beverages and Packaged Foods while spends in Soaps and Detergents were recalibrated in line with industry trends. The business continues to focus on driving buying efficiencies, cost saving programmes and return on marketing investments, with good results.
Drop in advertisement expenditure and other expenditure aided the EBITDA margin expansion. The lower other expenditure was on a high base when spends on packaging moulds to support innovations had led to an increase in the cost. Therefore, the benefits from higher base of other expenditure would flow in during 3QFY13e as well.
Soaps and Detergents grew by 22%. The growth in laundry business was ahead of market, underpinned by double digit growth in Rin, Surf and Wheel. Vim was relaunched during the quarter.
Skin Cleansing had one of its strongest quarters with all segments of the portfolio performing well. Lux and Lifebuoy grew in double digits.. Lux was relaunched with superior product and salient advertising.
Personal Products grew by 18%. The growth in Skin Care accelerated with Fair & Lovely, Vaseline and Pond's growing in strong double digits. Fair & Lovely has been modernized and is yielding good results. Vaseline and Pond's continue to build segments of future with differentiated benefits and aspirational offerings - Vaseline Total Moisture was relaunched with 3 variants and Pond's White Beauty was extended with Naturals range during the quarter. The face washes range was expanded with introduction of Dove Face Wash.
Hair and Oral delivered double digit growth amidst heightened competitive intensity. Hair segment shown good growth but marginally behind the market. Nourishing Oil care range and Re. 1 sachets were introduced under Dove during the quarter to expand the consumer franchise.
Beverages grew by 15%, with all brands delivering double digit growth. Tea delivered a broad based growth with strong performance in premium and popular segment. All brands in Tea segment grew in double digits. New range of flavored and green tea bags was launched under Taj Mahal.
Packaged Foods growth at 21% was broad based. Kissan range was relaunched. Knorr Soupy Noodles range was extended with an accessible Rs 5 pack. It will be soon be present in multi sized packets. Kwality Walls continued its strong growth momentum led by innovations and distribution expansion. The company has enter Juice segment, which is in test market.
Pureit continues to expand its portfolio with the latest entry into fast growing "RO water purifier" segment with "Marvella RO". Distribution across modern electronic retail chains is being scaled up and "Go to Market" integration is expected to be completed by the year end.
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Posted By: beryr
Date Posted: 23/Jul/2012 at 6:53pm
Originally posted by basant
Why would you look at HUL of all companies? This one isn't going to outperform the sensex over the long term!
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That was an amazing contrarian indicator for HUL. Massive outperformance seems on the cards after the stellar results today.
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