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Topic: The Next Buffetts
Posted By: kulman
Subject: The Next Buffetts
Date Posted: 29/May/2008 at 11:17pm
Excerpts from Canadian magazine...


http://www.canadianbusiness.com/my_money/investing/article.jsp?content=20080527_114153_6772&page=1 - The http://www.canadianbusiness.com/my_money/investing/article.jsp?content=20080527_114153_6772&page=1 - next http://www.canadianbusiness.com/my_money/investing/article.jsp?content=20080527_114153_6772&page=1 - Buffetts

From the May 2008 issue of MoneySense magazine


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raises a fascinating question: who is the next great Buffett-like investor going to be? He or she must be a great stock picker, of course. But that’s just the beginning. What distinguishes Buffett is not only his stock market acumen. It’s also his willingness to state his opinions in plain English, his independent turn of mind, and his willingness to treat investors as if they were his partners.

With that in mind, we went in search of younger investors with some of those same characteristics. We found four people in Canada and the U.S. who, in our admittedly subjective estimation, remind us of the master. Each has demonstrated an ability to invest well. Each has been willing to go against the crowd and make courageous investing decisions. Each writes a Buffett-style letter to investors.

While we can’t guarantee that these investors will do anywhere near as well over the next decade as Buffett has done in the past, each of them has already displayed some moves that remind us of the great man.
 

Prem Watsa
Fairfax Financial
Toronto

Who is he?: The 56-year-old CEO of Fairfax Financial Holdings has often been called the Buffett of the North. He’s run his insurance holding company since 1985 and has grown its share price by an average of 26% a year during that time.

Best call: Watsa and his investment team realized way back in 2003 that the U.S. housing boom was built on a shaky foundation of debt. They bet on a collapse in the mortgage market by buying what are called credit default swaps (CDS), a form of insurance against bad loans. Last year, Watsa’s CDS position soared in value as U.S. home loans soured. He turned a $341-million investment into a $2-billion-and-counting payoff.

Worst call: In 1998, Watsa acquired two U.S. insurers — TIG and Crum & Forster. Both were disasters and led to seven long years of dismal results for Fairfax.

Why he’s like Buffett: Watsa, too, is a value investor. And just as Buffett has built his empire around Berkshire, which is primarily an insurance company, Watsa has built his empire around Fairfax, which is also an insurance company.

Why he’s NOT like Buffett: Watsa is comfortable with far more debt and much higher risk levels than Buffett has been. Case in point: Watsa’s ill-advised U.S. acquisitions. From 2004 through 2006 some investors questioned whether Fairfax could survive.

What he’s doing now: Watsa believes we are in the early stages of a massive unwinding of debt. He is preparing his company for a once-in-a-century financial storm. He has 80% of Fairfax’s portfolio invested in ultra-safe treasury bills and government bonds. “Prolonged periods of prosperity lead to leveraged financial structures that cause instability,” writes Watsa. “We are witnessing the after effects of the longest economic recovery (more than 20 years) in the U.S. with the shortest recession (2001). Regression to the mean has begun — but only just begun!”

How to invest: Fairfax trades on the Toronto and New York exchanges under the ticker FFH. To learn more, read Watsa’s annual letters to shareholders at http://www.fairfax.ca/ - www.fairfax.ca . They’re informative, plain-spoken and always interesting.

 

Tim McElvaine
McElvaine Investment Trust
Vancouver

Who is he?: McElvaine, 44, is a native of Kingston, Ont., and a graduate of Queen’s University. He qualified as a chartered accountant and earned his Chartered Financial Analyst designation before going to work for Peter Cundill, the famed value investor and fund manager, in 1991. Five years later, McElvaine set up the McElvaine Investment Trust.

Best call: The McElvaine Investment Trust has produced 14% average annual returns for investors since 1997, more than doubling the results of a typical Canadian equity fund. It has never lost money over the course of a year.

Worst call: The Trust has produced decent returns over the past four years, but it has lagged behind the Canadian stock index during that period. Last year it managed to produce only a meagre 0.6% gain. McElvaine’s big sin? He’s decided to sit out the mad rush for commodity stocks. “I’m the only money manager I can think of to have entirely missed the oil and gas boom,” he says.

Why he’s like Buffett: McElvaine is funny, self-deprecating and likeable. He also makes a point of eating his own cooking — 98% of his personal portfolio is invested in his fund. Like Buffett, he regards buying a stock as buying a piece of the company. Consequently, he looks for stable, undervalued companies that can withstand economic storms and that aren’t tied to cyclical industries. He particularly likes companies that are headed by owners who have their personal fortunes tied up in their enterprises. At the end of 2007, his holdings included Glacier Ventures, a publisher of small-town newspapers in Western Canada; Maple Leaf Foods, the Toronto meat packager; and Citadel Broadcasting, a U.S. radio broadcaster.

Why he’s NOT like Buffett: McElvaine is a fund manager, not a CEO. That means he charges annual fees: 1% of your investment, plus 20% of any gains over 6%. Also, in contrast to Buffett’s sprawling empire, McElvaine runs a highly concentrated portfolio focused on a handful of what he considers outstanding values. At the end of 2007, a mere eight stocks made up 85% of his holdings.

What he’s doing now: Not much, according to McElvaine. “I make Homer Simpson look active,” he insists. But all jokes aside, he’s always on the lookout for undervalued stocks and special situations. The classic McElvaine holding is a firm of significant size in its own industry, with a reasonable debt load, headed by an owner-CEO who is in the middle of restructuring the company. “Take Michael McCain at Maple Leaf Foods,” says McElvaine. “He’s very focused on taking his company out of commodity products and into branded lines. If he can get it done the stock is worth significantly more than it is now.”

How to invest: The McElvaine Investment Trust is open only to qualified investors, which means that the minimum investment is anywhere from $10,000 to $150,000, depending upon your province of residence. For more info, visit http://www.mcelvaine.com/ - www.mcelvaine.com — and, while you’re there, make a point of reading McElvaine’s annual letters. They’re both fun and illuminating.

 

Dr. Michael Burry
Scion Capital
Cupertino, Calif.

Who is he?: Burry, 36, studied economics at UCLA, but despite a long-standing fascination with the stock market, stuck to his original plan of becoming a doctor. In 1995, as he was finishing his training at Vanderbilt Medical School, his father died and Burry began investing a small amount of trust money. Two years later, he launched his own website and began to write about stocks in the only time he had free — between midnight and three in the morning. His dissections of value stocks attracted a following and in 2000, Forbes magazine named his hobby site as one of the top investing destinations on the web. By then Burry was in the third year of a residency in neurology at Stanford University Medical Center and he figured it was time to choose between medicine and money management. He set up a hedge fund, named it Scion Capital, and became a full-time investor.

Best call: Burry’s flagship fund has achieved a cumulative net return of about 455% after fees, or more than 20% a year, since 2000. Last year the fund soared 138% in value thanks to a huge bet that Burry had made on the subprime mortgage market. In similar fashion to Watsa, he had invested in credit default swaps and saw them nearly quadruple in value as the underlying loans started to default.

Worst call: After a string of big early victories, Burry hit a rough patch. In 2004 and 2005, the Scion Value Fund generated only single-digit returns. In 2006, it lost 18% of its value, largely as a result of Burry’s bet against the subprime mortgage market.

Why he’s like Buffett: Burry works largely by himself and offers only limited disclosure about what he’s up to. He describes himself as a “contrary-minded individual” who profits by working far away from the “groupthink capital of the world” — New York. He made a killing in 2002 by buying up the distressed debt of WorldCom, the failing telecom firm. He cashed in again a year later by moving into South Korean stocks, which after a decade of inactivity had finally started to chug ahead.

Why he’s NOT like Buffett: Burry’s willing to run bigger risks than Buffett — at least the current Buffett, that is. He’s more comparable to the young Buffett of the 1950s and 1960s, who ran a free-wheeling investment partnership before settling down to manage Berkshire Hathaway.

What he’s doing now: Waiting. Burry believes U.S. home prices still have lots of room to fall. His flagship funds are about half in cash, waiting for opportunities to emerge from the chaos he sees ahead. “I see the virtuous circle of the past few years turning into a vicious spiral,” he says. “All the good things that came with rising home prices are now going to occur in reverse.”

How to invest: That can be a challenge. Burry won’t discuss minimums or fees; would-be investors have to go to his website ( http://www.scioncapital.com/ - www.scioncapital.com ) and request info.

 

Ian Cumming
Leucadia National
New York

Who is he?: Cumming is a decade younger than Buffett, which puts him at a sprightly 67. He’s a Harvard MBA who has been chairman of Leucadia since 1978. Together with partner Joe Steinberg, who serves as Leucadia’s president, Cumming has built a long-term track record of investor returns that is actually slightly better than Buffett’s. He does it primarily by looking for broken down, unwanted companies that he can fix and sell for a profit.

Best call: One of his best deals came in 1991, when he bought Colonial Penn, a troubled insurance company, for $128 million. He sold it six years later for $1.3 billion.

Worst call: Cumming hasn’t made a lot of missteps, but his forays into developing medical products are a money-losing disappointment, at least for now.

Why he’s like Buffett: Cumming looks for deeply undervalued companies and is willing to invest in a myriad of industries. He owns a timber producer, a plastics maker, an iron ore miner, a casino, real estate, wineries — and the list goes on.

Why he’s NOT like Buffett: While Buffett rarely sells a company that he’s acquired, Cumming is happy to flip his investments. And while Buffett likes companies that make branded consumer products, Cumming has much of his money invested in low-cost producers of commodities. He’s particularly fond of buying companies with tax loss carryforwards and using those losses to help shelter Leucadia’s earnings. Unlike Buffett, Cumming has no public profile and never gives interviews.

What he’s doing now: He’s buying into AmeriCredit, a U.S. auto finance firm, and pouring money into an Australian iron ore project as well as into a company developing synthetic hemoglobin. But his outlook is definitely mixed. Consider this nugget from his 2006 report, in which he discusses the creative tension between his outlook and that of his partner Steinberg: “One of us thinks the sky is falling and the dollar on the edge of debasement. One of us thinks the efforts of half the global population who struggle toward a western standard of life and liberty will cause a global bull market that could last a long, long time.”

How to invest: Leucadia trades on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker LUK. Before making any investment, go to http://www.leucadia.com/ - www.leucadia.com and read Cumming’s annual letters to gain a sense of Leucadia’s far-flung operations.










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Replies:
Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 29/May/2008 at 12:31pm
Thanks for updating us on this Kulman jee. Cheers!!

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The most important quality for an investor is temperament,not intellect.A temperament that neither derives great pleasure from being with the crowd nor against it


Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 07/Oct/2008 at 8:50am
Mr. Watsa is on the winning side in all this carnage...Clap



The meltdown's big winner

Fairfax Financial Holdings Ltd., like Campbell's Soup, has defied the stock market carnage as Wall Street and the global financial system melts down. Fairfax has defied gravity because the property and casualty insurance company, led by its Chair Prem Watsa, realized a few years ago this perfect financial storm was about to hit. So it positioned its gigantic portfolio of  premium income and profits to not only withstand the storm, but benefit from it.

Since the August 2007 crisis, the value of Fairfax's investments has gone up by $2.3 billion to $19.55 billion.


Read his interview http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2008/10/01/wall-street-survival-strategy-101.aspx - here





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Life can only be understood backwards—but it must be lived forwards


Posted By: experteye
Date Posted: 07/Oct/2008 at 10:00am
KULMAN saab, great !!

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more risk,more profit but have a vision before taking risk,itis all about investment in equities market.


Posted By: praveen
Date Posted: 14/Oct/2008 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by kulman

Mr. Watsa is on the winning side in all this carnage...Clap

 
Thanks for the link.


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The quest for knowledge is a never ending Journey


Posted By: chaudhuris
Date Posted: 18/Oct/2008 at 10:10pm
Good to see Ian Cumming's name up there along with the others. Leucadia is definitely a mini-Berkshire, their Annual Letters are a mind-opener forany investor- new or old. They made a fantastic deal with Jefferies some months back.

To this list I would add names of Seth Klarman and Bruce Berkowitz. I would have added Ed Lampert too but he took on too much with Sears and is somewhat floundering at the moment.


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Only when the last tree has been cut down
Only when the last river has been poisoned
Only when the last fish has been caught
Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. ~ Cree Philosophy


Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 24/Jan/2009 at 9:44am
De-leveraging means that the value of houses, for instance, have to go down so low that people will start to turn around to buy them again. It means that factories with excess capacity will have to close until demand returns and makes surviving factories busy again,” he said. “It might take four or five years.”

Prem Watsa ....B http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2009/01/14/biggest-meltdown-winner-be-very-wary.aspx - iggest meltdown winner: be very wary


Baap re!

Is it that bad there in the West?







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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 24/Jan/2009 at 10:08am
Originally posted by kulman

De-leveraging means that the value of houses, for instance, have to go down so low that people will start to turn around to buy them again. It means that factories with excess capacity will have to close until demand returns and makes surviving factories busy again,” he said. “It might take four or five years.”

Prem Watsa ....B http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2009/01/14/biggest-meltdown-winner-be-very-wary.aspx - iggest meltdown winner: be very wary


Baap re!

Is it that bad there in the West?


 
 
Otherwise why would there be near 0% short term interest and 3% rate for 30 years in a country where govt borrows heavily and people don't save?


Posted By: vinvestor2010
Date Posted: 16/Aug/2010 at 12:12pm
Hi just would like to add an interesting addition here
Charlie Munger has recently been very vocal in his admiration for a Chinese investor Mr Li Lu
After Buffett his role in Berkshire is likely to be split into separate CIO and COO roles. It is very likely that Mr Li will succeed into the CIO role as per current rumors in the US. Some interesting links on Mr Li

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703977004575393180048272028.html - A Wall Street Journal Article on Mr Li

http://streetcapitalist.com/2010/05/04/li-lu-berkshire-hathaway-cio-candidate/ - Transcript from a talk he gave to students at Columbia his alma mater


Posted By: joslinjose9
Date Posted: 20/Mar/2011 at 12:50pm
http://www.torontolife.com/features/2-billion-man/

this is an article about prem watsa the warren buffet of cannada.very interesting

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Posted By: values
Date Posted: 20/Mar/2011 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by joslinjose9

http://www.torontolife.com/features/2-billion-man/

this is an article about prem watsa the warren buffet of cannada.very interesting


Nice article. Never actually heard of Prem Watsa.


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Mar/2011 at 4:34pm
Originally posted by values

[QUOTE=joslinjose9]http://www.torontolife.com/features/2-billion-man/

When investors fled the New York market after the Second World War was declared, Templeton borrowed $10,000 to scoop up stocks priced at less than a dollar, often in companies that were near bankruptcy. In four years, he sold the stock, paid off the debt and pocketed $40,000—the seed money for Templeton Growth Fund, a market beater for many years
 
Brilliant who says leverage always kills.


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'The Thoughtful Investor: A Journey to Financial Freedom Through Stock Market Investing' - A Book on Equity Investing especially for Indian Investors. Book your copy now: www.thethoughtfulinvestor.in


Posted By: joslinjose9
Date Posted: 31/Mar/2011 at 2:59pm
http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=108555
Amitabh Singhi is not a well known name among most American value investors; however in India he is highly regarded.

Singhi is Managing Director at Surefin Investments, an India based portfolio management and investment advisory company. Since inception in mid-2001 the fund has returned 29.8% annualized, net of all fees to investors. Mr. Singhi graduated with a B.S. in Economics from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania , with concentrations in Finance and Management.

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fear of lord is the beginning of wisdom


Posted By: genieinvestor
Date Posted: 31/Mar/2011 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by joslinjose9

http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=108555
Amitabh Singhi is not a well known name among most American value investors; however in India he is highly regarded.

Singhi is Managing Director at Surefin Investments, an India based portfolio management and investment advisory company. Since inception in mid-2001 the fund has returned 29.8% annualized, net of all fees to investors. Mr. Singhi graduated with a B.S. in Economics from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania , with concentrations in Finance and Management.
 
 
I have heard of this guy. Maybe a good money manager, but not a good employer. Two of my friends used to work for him as analysts, left his firm within a year.


Posted By: joslinjose9
Date Posted: 31/Mar/2011 at 5:16pm
http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/30/news/companies/david_sokol_resigns/index.htm

David Sokol, widely regarded as being on the short list to replace Warren Buffett, has resigned from Berkshire Hathaway.

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fear of lord is the beginning of wisdom


Posted By: vinvestor2010
Date Posted: 15/Apr/2011 at 11:32am

Can we add Shri jagan mohan reddy to the list Big%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smile

2009 wealth - 79 cr
2011 wealth -365 cr


Posted By: rinkumalpani
Date Posted: 17/Apr/2011 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by vinvestor2010

Can we add Shri jagan mohan reddy to the list Big%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smile


2009 wealth - 79 cr
2011 wealth -365 cr


that reminds me....Is Basant ji's name in the list


Posted By: barla
Date Posted: 17/Apr/2011 at 8:52pm
 
Basantjee ko kyon badnaam karte ho yaar.
Big%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smile
 
Originally posted by rinkumalpani

Originally posted by vinvestor2010

Can we add Shri jagan mohan reddy to the list Big%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smile


2009 wealth - 79 cr
2011 wealth -365 cr


that reminds me....Is Basant ji's name in the list


Posted By: vinvestor2010
Date Posted: 17/Apr/2011 at 9:01pm
Rinkuji aap joke samjhe nahin- maybe u r not aware of Mr J. Reddy Big%20smile
woh mera joke tha politics peEmbarrassed.
 
on a serious note I agree with u 100% about basantji and several other great investors on this forum(just read the old threads) and frankly i learnt more from Berkshire Letters and on TED than at B-school. Big%20smile
 
 


Posted By: Monkey
Date Posted: 17/Apr/2011 at 9:25pm
 
Prof Bakshi's article below gives unqualified recommendation.
 
http://fundooprofessor.wordpress.com/2011/03/26/the-grand-strategy-of-ajay-piramal/ - http://fundooprofessor.wordpress.com/2011/03/26/the-grand-strategy-of-ajay-piramal/
 
Ajay Piramal is follower of WB & CM. Are we on to something here? India's own version of WB & Berkshire Hathway?
 
 


Posted By: Ravenrage
Date Posted: 17/Apr/2011 at 4:48am
Wonderful article .
Basantji , what do you make of it ?


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 17/Apr/2011 at 9:41am
Originally posted by Ravenrage

Wonderful article .
Basantji , what do you make of it ?
 
It is no doubt a very low risk game but I like companies where the enduring theme is growth and not assets (cash) per share.


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Posted By: rinkumalpani
Date Posted: 18/Apr/2011 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by barla

 

Basantjee ko kyon badnaam karte ho yaar.

Big%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smile

 

Originally posted by rinkumalpani

Originally posted by vinvestor2010


Can we add Shri jagan mohan reddy to the list Big%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smile


2009 wealth - 79 cr
2011 wealth -365 cr
that reminds me....Is Basant ji's name in the list



..oops..sorry.extremely sorry...galti sey mistake hui gawa...it wasnt suppose to be a quoted reply..it was suppose to be a general post in the thread..personally, mainey to Basant sir ko apna guru maan lliya hain aur unkey sujhayein kadmo pein chal raha hoon......BAAKI HOI SOI RAM RACHI RAKHAA...


Posted By: rinkumalpani
Date Posted: 18/Apr/2011 at 2:07pm
Originally posted by vinvestor2010

Rinkuji aap joke samjhe nahin- maybe u r not aware of Mr J. Reddy Big%20smile

woh mera joke tha politics peEmbarrassed.

 

on a serious note I agree with u 100% about basantji and several other great investors on this forum(just read the old threads) and frankly i learnt more from Berkshire Letters and on TED than at B-school. Big%20smile

 

 



..kya karu..tubelight hun..der sey ujala huan..but am serious about Basantji....the more i read his views/posts on this forum, the more i admire him..and this is also true for the posts of kulmanji, hitbhai and other seniours too...hope , some miracle happens and someday someof them if not all will come together to form Indias own Berkshire which i believe the common masses in india need...


Posted By: barla
Date Posted: 18/Apr/2011 at 3:01pm

The best part is the humility and the feeling that he is not lying.

Which I dont get in some other people.


Originally posted by rinkumalpani

Originally posted by vinvestor2010

Rinkuji aap joke samjhe nahin- maybe u r not aware of Mr J. Reddy Big%20smile

woh mera joke tha politics peEmbarrassed.

 

on a serious note I agree with u 100% about basantji and several other great investors on this forum(just read the old threads) and frankly i learnt more from Berkshire Letters and on TED than at B-school. Big%20smile

 

 



..kya karu..tubelight hun..der sey ujala huan..but am serious about Basantji....the more i read his views/posts on this forum, the more i admire him..and this is also true for the posts of kulmanji, hitbhai and other seniours too...hope , some miracle happens and someday someof them if not all will come together to form Indias own Berkshire which i believe the common masses in india need...


Posted By: Kautilya
Date Posted: 13/Aug/2011 at 9:43pm
Prem Watsa sees the 1930's playing all over again. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/fairfaxs-watsa-sees-dirty-thirties-pain-ahead/article2125759/ - Link .
The U.S. economy appears to be heading toward a lengthy period of deflation such as the one that struck Japan, and there is little policy-makers can do to prevent it, says one of Canada’s most accomplished investors.


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Posted By: Ravenrage
Date Posted: 13/Aug/2011 at 10:53pm
Frightening .

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Risk does not reside in price changes, but in miscalculations of intrinsic value .


Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 21/Dec/2012 at 10:20pm
I don't know this guy would be next Buffet or not but this person is on a song.
http://rakesh-jhunjhunwala.in/index.php/2012/11/30/how-bhavook-tripathi-made-money-from-stocks/#&panel1-9 - Bhavook

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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 21/Dec/2012 at 7:15am
Originally posted by FutureBull

I don't know this guy would be next Buffet or not but this person is on a song.
http://rakesh-jhunjhunwala.in/index.php/2012/11/30/how-bhavook-tripathi-made-money-from-stocks/#&panel1-9 - Bhavook
 
 
Thanks a lot for sharing


Posted By: vinvestor2010
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2013 at 7:35am
An interesting http://www.smartmoney.com/invest/strategies/the-400-man-1328818316857/ - article on a upcoming Warren Buffet type investor 



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