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India Inc on a slowdown?

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Category: Economy, Markets and commodities
Forum Name: Indian Economy - Powering Ahead!
Forum Discription: Talk about various facets of the Indian economy, it could relate to GDP growth, inflation, fiscal deficit, disinvestments.Is India at the crux of becoming an economic SUPERPOWER?
URL: http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1719
Printed Date: 07/May/2025 at 4:28pm


Topic: India Inc on a slowdown?
Posted By: investor
Subject: India Inc on a slowdown?
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 12:25pm
Very scary update from CNBC-TV18, not for the weak hearted!

http://indiaearnings.moneycontrol.com/pdffiles/IndiaInconadownturn.pdf - http://indiaearnings.moneycontrol.com/pdffiles/IndiaInconadownturn.pdf


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Posted By: gopal
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by investor

Very scary update from CNBC-TV18, not for the weak hearted!

http://indiaearnings.moneycontrol.com/pdffiles/IndiaInconadownturn.pdf - http://indiaearnings.moneycontrol.com/pdffiles/IndiaInconadownturn.pdf
 
Investor Bhaiya,
 
There is nothing scary in the report, this analysis is for the Firangis. The prices given in this is in US dollars.
 
Every one in India knows that reality prices are overhyped, that is the only truth in this report. If reality construction goes down, sales of cement & steel will go down. This will lead to fewer people taking loans, so that will effect banking stocks.
 
Pharma industry has always been a disappointer in Indian market so again nothing new there.
 
For the remaining sectors the analysis report just gives 1 or 2 lines saying that the sector will collapse ...... this is more like giving tips rather then an analysis.
 
Further the gora phirangi will also have to take into account that when everything is really & actually screwed in the U.S. of A., the next best free market with democracy and some stabilty is India only.
 
To practically speaking he can either keep his money in the U.S. of A and watch it depreciate, invest in other fast growing economies which have no real democracy and then suddenly watch it disappear one fine day as has happened in past in china, brazil, venezuela, zambia, Angola, Zimbabwe.
 
Or he can do the sensible thing and invest in India for low but safe returns, but returns still better then he would have got in U.S. of A.
 
SmileTongueWinkSleepy
 


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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 1:17pm
Could be an April Fool's joke. The presentation doesn't look very professional with "Game's Over, My Friend" kind of language.


Posted By: nitin_jagtap
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 1:24pm
So is it ....Game set match - The Bears..... I was watching the famous boxing match between Muhamad Ali and Sunny Liston ..so much hype and within a few minutes it was over ..like a whimper.

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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 1:53pm
Well, Definitely India is slowing & it will slow further. Govt, RBI are working together to curb inflation. Which means they are going to take anti-growth steps. They have taken similar steps in past as well and we know present reality. Cry

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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 2:12pm
Though Infrastructure companies will be the first to hit, some like L&T and Punj have made their mark in the Middle-East region which is booming.

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Posted By: kanagala
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 8:59pm
One observation made in this report is about high base effect for capital goods stocks. 

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Posted By: kanagala
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 9:38pm
BHEL is hammered today. Is it a indication of  tough times ahead?

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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 9:53pm
Originally posted by xbox

Well, Definitely India is slowing & it will slow further. Govt, RBI are working together to curb inflation. Which means they are going to take anti-growth steps. They have taken similar steps in past as well and we know present reality. Cry
 
X-Box......May be RBI could look into Fed's history books to see what steps Greenspan took in 1990 to combact Inflation.


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Posted By: Mohan
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 2:45am
Anyone else noticed the April Fool Joke on Google web page ?

This link. ? A Cool World: Enjoy a rosier future as a http://www.google.com/virgle/index.html - Virgle Pioneer .






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Posted By: vasantcool
Date Posted: 02/Apr/2008 at 2:13pm
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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 27/Apr/2008 at 6:38pm
from the results so far declared  india inc appears on track to deliver 15-20% earnings growth.sector wise, pvt banking, retail, fmcg, oil and gas have done well.tech has dissapointed.cap goods has been co specific.and we await results from the infrastructure sector.some poeple painted a very scary scenario reg corp earnings just 2 months back.no wonder the mkt has recovered from 14600=17000.finally its earnings that matter

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Posted By: CHINKI
Date Posted: 29/Apr/2008 at 10:49am
Eventhough market started its downward journey from Jan'08, this quarter results were expected to be good expected for the Brokerage companies.

Now the question is will they able to maintain same during Q1 & Q2??

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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 01/May/2008 at 10:23am
Despite all concerns, I feel market has 50% chance to make all time high by dec'08.Ouch

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/May/2008 at 12:39pm
Did anyone see how the tv anchors reacted to inflation figure. It seemed that their house was on fire. Mr. Market seems to have shrugged off this news and in fact rallied a bit. Actually the idiot box true to its name has made a lot out of inflation. We need to see how inflation reacts once commodity prices cools off.

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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 02/May/2008 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by basant

Did anyone see how the tv anchors reacted to inflation figure. It seemed that their house was on fire.


LOL ha ha ha

I missed this one. But yes you are right..... those TV Anchors try to display their acting skills.




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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 02/May/2008 at 3:29pm

yes especially the inflation madam who pops up on friday and on policy days was all hyper as if her sari had cought fire



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Posted By: johnnybravo
Date Posted: 02/May/2008 at 4:19pm
PC is so scared of her saari, that the govt has taken a http://www.rediff.com/money/2008/may/01wpi.htm - decision to display the WPI numbers on a monthly basis instead of every friday!

Power of bhartiya naari ki saari !


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Posted By: italics
Date Posted: 02/May/2008 at 6:14pm
I recently had the 'honour' of meeting 3 anchors from CNBC at a finance workshop. All through the workshop - which was very good - they sat on their phones calling up all and sundry to fix interviews and seemed fixated on gossip. If i didn't know they were from CNBC, going by their behavior, i would have guessed they were from Stardust!

Welcome to the world of Infotainment!


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/May/2008 at 6:37pm
Can you indicate the kind of talk that was going on. Was it related to the markets?


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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 02/May/2008 at 9:29pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-xDSrzJ4rQ -
http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?&session=GIgx7d8v1EKIaeP2VLkrzmusJI0N0uQRtqLb6MTL6b8uSBd_bhurIkmNHQtkqbQg83J3touiQbZN6coI3CpxgQKpFlhob5HTE55yCjSIfeJD6wIhQDAzEUx72B-sFAWfsst95LE6ppF6o32RaVkTtkY3LHZfTrPEiIuL2joVhPi_sXBZvPbpa_0Rvg1iiW2HuyxubLmbIKn# -
 
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 02/May/2008 at 7:02am
Originally posted by johnnybravo

PC is so scared of her saari, that the govt has taken a http://www.rediff.com/money/2008/may/01wpi.htm - decision to display the WPI numbers on a monthly basis instead of every friday!

Power of bhartiya naari ki saari !


LOL ha ha . Excellent move.

Meanwhile, it is rumoured that RBI Guv was seen singing this number (remix) from Guide with Ms Latha (not Mangeshkar but Venkatesh):

O mere humraahi, mera interview lete chalna
Badle duniya saari, tum na badalna...!

CNBC humein sikhla dega
Stagflation mein sambhalna

Kahin beete na ye Friday, Kahin beete naa din

Gaata rahe.....mera dil....!




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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 17/May/2008 at 2:00pm
surjeet bhalla on inflation--what is the appropiate policy response to this inflation?patience.inflation will likely decline and by fall 2008 the world and domestic inflation could be stable and lower.growth should also be accelerating at that time.when international commodity prices come down domestic inflation will also come down.there is very little demand pull left in india. the monetary authorities have acheived their objective.wage growth is barely keeping pace with inflation.bank credit growth has also slowed down and REAL INTEREST RATES ARE AMONG THE HIGHEST IN THE WORLD.none of this prevented us from IMPORTING  WORLD INFLATION so india has lost out both on lower economic growth and higher inflation.maybe that explains why bovespa is booming and bse sleeping.execpt for oil all other global commodities arein a downward slide.full article can be read on bs dated 17-5-08

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Posted By: experteye
Date Posted: 02/Jun/2008 at 10:15am

SLOWDOWN IMMINENT ?

Analysts warn that if outflows continue, domestic investors may also start selling.  market fell after the latest inflation data was higher than expected. We do not know whether the sub-prime crisis will lead to a deeper or mild recession in the US economy. However, we have assumed that it will only lead to a mild recession. A deeper recession will have more impact on India through reduction in trade and capital inflows.Interest rate outlook - seems that inflation will go to double digit soon; we are already at 8.1%. Typically the government has been revising previous week’s data by about 80-150 bps assuming that there is 100 bps revision; we are probably already at 9.1% and then we are going to see oil price hike of about 10-15%. So the moment we do the oil price hike, we will basically cross double digits.there seems to be active intervention from the Central Bank to hold the rupee below 43 to a dollar, but it is all predicated on what happens to global market place - particularly what happens to oil and what happens to the dollar.

 



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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 04/Jun/2008 at 5:31pm
Not sure, it goes against most of the fundas that i learnt in my Economics class in college! Unhappy

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 04/Jun/2008 at 5:34pm
Originally posted by smartcat

High Inflation + Low GDP Growth rates = Bear market
 
But what will happen if there is sustained high inflation + high growth rate? Can high inflation and high growth rates co-exist?
 
Yes, they can in China you have a case of high inflation and high growth. problem is Govt focuses on inflation whereas they should focus on growth once you have a higher output this increased supply will cool down inflation which is nothing but more money chasing too few goods.
 
But Govt. have to win elections and investors have to make money from markets and therein lies the difference.Ouch
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 04/Jun/2008 at 5:43pm
You are right on that but I was just indicating a situation where high inflations has co-existed with high growth rates generally all measures to control inflation are anti growth so if one has to choose between the two the options vary according to which side of the camp you are in.


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Posted By: master
Date Posted: 09/Jun/2008 at 11:08pm

India Inc`s dividend payout drops to 5-yr low

 

Indian companies' average dividend payout ratio, or the dividend paid as a percentage of profit, plummeted to a five-year low in the year ended March 31, 2008 as state-run oil refiners, including Indian Oil and rivals, reported lower net income, forcing them to pay less to shareholders.

 

The payout declined to 22 per cent in 2007-08 from more than 24 per cent in each of the last four years, an analysis of the 657 companies, which announced dividends in the financial year ended March, showed. The sample is from the list of 2,000 companies, which have declared results, though only 657 companies announced dividends as of June 6. The sample group of 657 companies showed a 17 per cent increase in dividends to Rs 42,688 crore in FY08 compared with Rs 36,581 crore a year earlier. These companies posted an aggregate 29 per cent rise in net profit at Rs 1,94,448 crore in FY08 as compared with Rs 1,50,413 crore in FY07, data showed. 

 

 

 Dividend in %

2007

2008

EID Parry

295

25

HPCL

180

30

Eicher Motors

290

50

JB Chem

130

25

Indian Oil

190

55

ICI (India)

270

80

Bharat Electron

180

60

Raymond

50

25

Essel Propack

100

60

Natl Aluminium

75

45

 

However, out of the 657 companies, 361 increased their rate of dividend in the year while 196 maintained the same level as in the previous year even as 100 others pruned their payouts. Several state-run companies cut the dividend rates after reporting a drop in net profit for FY08. Bharat Heavy Electrical, the country's biggest power equipment maker, announced a dividend of Rs 15.25 a share, or 152.50 per cent in FY08 as compared with Rs 24.50 a share, or 245 per cent in the previous year.

 

Source: BS



Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 11/Jun/2008 at 10:43am
Citi :
 
India Equity Strategy: 4QFY08 Results: So Far So Good
 
Earnings marginally above expectations; moderating growth trend continues - Sensex ex-oil profits for 4QFY08 are up 12.2%, marginally ahead of our 11.2% (excludes ONGC & Tisco - yet to report) expectations. If Tisco/ONGC report in-line, Sensex profit growth should be 19%. Growth rate trend, however, continues to moderate-42.4% peak in 3QQ08 & heading down since. Earnings trends for CIR universe-155 stocks-is also ahead, up 5.4% yoy (5% expectation), but the level is more modest (includes loss of Oil refining companies).

24% revenue growth provides the upside surprise; an ahead of expectation margin fall the primary offset - Revenue momentum surprises on upside - 24% (20% expectation), and in-line with the peak 33.6% achieved in 3QFY08. The offset, however, is in margins; -115bps yoy (-90 bps expectation) - likely reflecting the end of corporate India's operating leverage and cost pressures. Rising interest cost pressures also coming through - PAT margins are down to 9.6% (10.8% in Dec07) - 5th quarter running that PAT margins have dipped.

Earnings mix does, however, improve; other income share dips back to average - The quality of earnings is, however, up; other income dips back to 6.3% of sales, down from the 10.3% in Dec-07. Operationally, March 08 has probably been a step-up over the Dec-07 quarter.

Sectorally, there are meaningful surprises - Banks, Pharma, Materials and Capital Goods have driven ex-oil profit surprises so far, IT Services, Auto, Telecom, and Utilities have surprised negatively, and Consumer, Petrochemicals have earnings in-line with expectations.


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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 11/Jun/2008 at 10:52am

We will come to know if there is a slowdown in the half yearly results , lets wait and watch.



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Posted By: experteye
Date Posted: 12/Jun/2008 at 12:35pm
Not only India Inc but World Inc too is gone into slowdown.It is time to search out those new possible emerging leaders of 2012.We should forget about sensex now.In fact I do request you all to discuss about these NEW SET OF 2012 LEADERS without bothering level of 14000 or 9000 etc.etc.

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Posted By: BIKRAM
Date Posted: 12/Jun/2008 at 1:53pm

We all know that due to rising inflation, high cost of crude , US slowdown , and other political factors, there is a definite slowdown in the near term.What really matters is that whether India Inc. will be able to deliver a near 8% growth, whether corporate earnings will be good or not in the coming quarters.  Looking at todays IIP no.s which are quite good, I think that the long term growth story is still intact and the investors should  pass the bearish time either investing/averaging at lower levels if they have adequate cash  or  just  ignoring the intraday high and low levels of their holdings>



Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 12/Jun/2008 at 1:55pm

That is why market is recovering (or is it dead cat bounce?) Dont know but where is the cash that all MF's are holding or are the local MFs going to buy when FII's enter again?(and buy at high prices?)



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Posted By: experteye
Date Posted: 12/Jun/2008 at 3:56pm

Latest ML report says that BANKS'S CREDIT-DEPOSITS ration is decreased to 73 percent now.



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Posted By: experteye
Date Posted: 12/Jun/2008 at 4:25pm

The Global Economic Outlook presentation :-

  • The current US recession will be much deeper than in 1991 or 2001.
  • Yet Asia’s growth will slow by less than in previous US recessions: it is now less dependent on US demand.
  • Asia is increasingly important as the main engine of global growth.
  • The beginning of the end for the dollar as the main reserve currency.
  • Rapid growth in China, India and other emerging economies: the most powerful economic revolution in history.

 



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more risk,more profit but have a vision before taking risk,itis all about investment in equities market.


Posted By: Glacial
Date Posted: 13/Jun/2008 at 3:00pm
Dear Sir,
 
Regarding your discussion on whether high inflation and high growth rate can co-exist, they certanly co-exist in economic situation termed as "economy overheating". Overheating is considered one of the most dangerous situation to be in after stagflation. this is the condition where China found itself in last 2 year and taken conscious decision to bring down both inflation as well as groowth (cooling the economy) by measures like making Yuan costlier, tightening liquidity etc.


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Posted By: Invest_in_India
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2008 at 4:15pm

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINBOM3456920080701?rpc=44 - Indian rupee falls to 15-mo low on arbitrage, oil



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2008 at 5:14pm
Originally posted by Glacial

Dear Sir,
 
Regarding your discussion on whether high inflation and high growth rate can co-exist, they certanly co-exist in economic situation termed as "economy overheating". Overheating is considered one of the most dangerous situation to be in after stagflation. this is the condition where China found itself in last 2 year and taken conscious decision to bring down both inflation as well as groowth (cooling the economy) by measures like making Yuan costlier, tightening liquidity etc.
 
I missed this one thanks for that. Any links that explains this point in detail.
 


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Posted By: johnnybravo
Date Posted: 02/Jul/2008 at 12:16pm
basantji,

any idea where is our cheif economist bubblevision these days?


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Jul/2008 at 12:33pm
On leave!


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Posted By: paragdesai
Date Posted: 02/Jul/2008 at 5:05pm
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jul2008/gb2008071_743900.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_top+story -
India's Economy Hits the Wall
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: kanagala
Date Posted: 02/Jul/2008 at 2:02am
Looks like, it is the case of panic buying yesterday.

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Posted By: kaushalchawla
Date Posted: 02/Jul/2008 at 2:19am

It could be shorts covering also.



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Posted By: experteye
Date Posted: 02/Jul/2008 at 9:52am

 

MARKETMIND : Cool
The current monsoon, while bountiful so far in temporal and spatial distribution, has also precipitated a deluge of seemingly bad news. The inflation rate is poised to breach the 12 per cent mark perhaps by the end of the current week and may be the worst in more than 15 years. Interest rates have been creeping up almost on a weekly basis for almost six months and with that, the outlook for corporate earnings has been getting dimmer in tandem. Stock market indices are at their lowest in the past 15 months, and may soon touch levels not seen since 2005, wiping off as much as $900 billion of the paper wealth of the investors from its peak. The rupee is once again back to getting weaker by the week, as if to ridicule all those who were making an absurdly vociferous din against its relative strength just three months ago. The Government may still believe that India can achieve a growth rate of about 8 per cent in the current fiscal. However, I suspect that a majority will probably accept a 7 per cent figure for FY08 and even a 6 per cent level in the next fiscal with some relief. Ranbaxy, till recently touted as one of few glowing examples of the vision and prowess of Indian entrepreneurs/globalised managers, threw in the towel, notwithstanding the spin of virtuosity and sagacity some sections of the Indian financial media have attempted to give. Finally, this week may usher in a formal beginning of the end of the current UPA dispensation and the countdown to the next general election.
Is this the end of the dream run many in the country have been a part of (or at least witness to) in the past five years or 15? Is there any silver lining at all at the edge of the dark clouds that seem to have taken off a lot of sheen from what till a few months ago was a resurgent India? Though ironical it may sound to many, I believe that almost all of this apparently bad news is good for India and may be good for a majority of Indians in the medium term.
The euthanasia of the current UPA government is probably the most humane end to the misery of its much-weakened leader and the comatose cabinet he heads. In more than four years of existence, the incumbent executive leadership has given short shrift to just about every policy reform sorely needed, has turned a blind eye to the decimation of many of the critical social and physical infrastructural imperatives such as education, healthcare, highways, power, law and order, and cultural freedom, and overtly or covertly accepted unprecedented levels of corruption at the highest echelons at the Centre and the states as a price to pay for buying a few more months of survival each time for the leading constituent of the UPA to enable it to maintain the façade of it being India's ruling party. An early general election at least gives hope and the possibility of a more constructive and effective coalition.
A slowdown in the GDP growth rate may not only act as a dampener to the runaway inflation but also force the government and the private businesses to give further thought and effort to become more innovative, proactive, and productive. We did it against all odds in the early 90s and then did it again after the slowdown in 2001. There is no reason why the impending slowdown cannot be utilised by the leadership in the government and the private sector to take bold and sometimes hard decisions.
In the past few years, many critical components of businesses have fallen out of equilibrium. The most notable are relating to the cost of doing business itself, including executive compensation, real estate (commercial and residential) and the overall cost of occupancy, and travel (hotels in particular). I am sure not too many will shed tears of grief watching the realty and the hotel stocks' meltdown. My professional colleagues may be more upset at the prospect of single-digit increments (when given) and having to earn bonuses rather than getting them as a right but more managerial accountability linked to delivering results will actually be beneficial to all.
Finally, the sellout of Ranbaxy will have a salubrious impact on many promoter family-managed Indian businesses. They now have an excellent example and reference to use while putting their own stakes on the block. In the process, many such businesses will probably get a better quality of management and thereby become stronger in the long term rather than another basket case.
It is anybody's guess as to how long the current slowdown will continue. However, it is unlikely that India (or the world economy) will pick up momentum before the installation of the next government not only in New Delhi but Washington as well. Till that happens, we should all use this opportunity to cleanse ourselves of the excesses and the sins of omission we have all been guilty of.



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Posted By: Mr. V
Date Posted: 10/Oct/2008 at 11:52pm
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Hotels__Restaurants/Hotels_dish_out_discounts_up_to_50_to_keep_room_occupancies_steady/articleshow/3578058.cms - Hotels dish out 50% discounts to keep room occupancies

Given the fact that we are supposed to have a big shortage of hotels room, this is a very clear sign of a slowdown.


Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 10/Oct/2008 at 2:12am
And not to forget, a lot of new supplies is coming up in this sector.
Personally i have been very dissapointed with the inability of Viceroy hotel to increase EPS even during heady times. I think it will be uphill for the time being.
 


Posted By: KAILASHAGAL
Date Posted: 11/Oct/2008 at 8:09pm
 
 
An Old Story:
The Ant works hard in the withering heat all summer building its house and
laying up supplies for the winter.

The Grasshopper thinks the Ant is a fool and laughs & dances & plays the
summer away.

Come winter, the Ant is warm and well fed. The Grasshopper has no food or
shelter so he dies out in the cold.
Indian Version:
The Ant works hard in the withering heat all summer building its house and
laying up supplies for the winter.

The Grasshopper thinks the Ant ' s a fool and laughs & dances & plays the
summer away.

Come winter, the shivering Grasshopper calls a press conference and
demands to know why the Ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed
while others are cold and starving.
NDTV, BBC, CNN show up to provide pictures of the shivering Grasshopper
next to a video of the Ant in his comfortable home with a table filled
with food.

The World is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be that this poo r
Grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Arundhati Roy stages a demonstration in front of the Ant ' s house.

Medha Patkar goes on a fast along with other Grasshoppers demanding that
Grasshoppers be relocated to warmer climates during winter .
Mayawati states this as `injustice ' done on Minorities.
Amnesty International and Koffi Annan criticize the Indian Government for
not upholding the fundamental rights of the Grasshopper.
The Internet is flooded with online petitions seeking support to the
Grasshopper (many promising Heaven and Everlasting Peace for prompt
support as against the wrath of God for non-compliance) .
Opposition MPs stage a walkout. Left parties call for ' Bengal Bandh ' in
West Bengal and Kerala demanding a Judicial Enquiry.
CPM in Kerala immediately passes a law preventing Ants from working hard
in the heat so as to bring about equality of poverty among Ants and
Grasshoppers.

Lalu Prasad allocates one free coach to Grasshoppers on all Indian Railway
Trains, aptly named as the ' Grasshopper Rath ' .

Finally, the Judicial Committee drafts the ' Prevention of Terrorism
Against Grasshoppers Act ' [POTAGA], with effect from the beginning of the
winter.

Arjun Singh makes ' Special Reservation ' for Grasshoppers in Educational

Institutions & in Government Services.


The Ant is fined for failing to comply with POTAGA and having nothing left
to pay his retroactive taxes,it ' s home is confiscated by the Government
and handed over to the Grasshopper in a ceremony covered by NDTV.

Arundhati Roy calls it ' A Triumph of Justice ' .


Lalu calls it ' Socialistic Justice ' .

CPM calls it the ' Revolutionary Resurgence of the Downtrodden '

Koffi Annan invites the Grasshopper to address the UN General Assembly.

Many years later...

 

 

The Ant has since migrated to the US and set up a multi-billion dollar company in Silicon Valley,

100s of Grasshoppers still die of starvation despite reservation somewhere in India ,


..AND


As a result of losing lot of hard working Ants and feeding the grasshoppers,
.
.

.
India is still a developing country…!!!

 

Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around."
~Henry David Thoreau



Posted By: Mohan
Date Posted: 11/Oct/2008 at 2:39am
Viceroy has a lot of projects that are in development stages and are a drain on the P & L A/c. It has a couple of more quarters to go before it benefits from all its properties.


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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 11/Oct/2008 at 4:23am

True....that was the the reason why I was following this company. But is it very unfair to atleast expect the sales to go up  at a quicker rate? Profits can flow later.



Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 13/Oct/2008 at 9:51pm
the time is not far when countries with large dollar reserves start to convert dollar into real asets.for india even if we use up 100billion for industrialisation it will have a phenomenal effect.

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Posted By: Musketeer
Date Posted: 13/Oct/2008 at 10:06am
And what if they start selling the dollar? The dollar has risen against other currencies inspite of the impending recession in the US and the huge increase in the fiscal deficit of US government. I think RBI was right to be so cautious in using up the forex reserves because a country with current account deficit can really get squeezed in liquidity crises. See what has happened to the Korean Won.

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Posted By: MissingLink
Date Posted: 15/Oct/2008 at 6:17pm


was reading about the sacking of Jet Airways employees and the pending sacking of Kingfisher employees.
Looks like this is the precursor to a much bigger problem. Any industry which is human intensive will face the problem.

Airlines have taken the first step as the ATF itself is bleeding them and staff cost compounds to the misery.

The next to follow will be BPO. With a wafer thin margin they are always stressed. Now the banking sector across the world is gone for a toss. So the next ones in Line are BPO employees.

I feel the third in line is the investment banks. This is already visible in the hiring pattern in the Business Schools. In a scenario where banks are scared to do an inter bank lending, who on earth is even thinking about investment. So these guys are next to follow.

Fourth to follow will be real estate guys. All the real estate boom suddenly created a dirth of qualified guys. But with stagnent real estate growth, they are the next to follow.

Fifth will be retail guys. We all know that for the past 2 years, the highest increments in salary was for retail guys. An average hike of close to 20% was way higher than the software guys (around 15%). We are already seeing many retail companies downing the shutters. So retail folks are next in line.

Sixth should be Software (ones in service sector) guys. The reason I kept software guys at 6th is that no matter what the banks and other financial institutions cannot suddenly stop funding TCS or Infosys as their Backend has to keep running. Softwares have to be maintained. There will be curb in unnecessary upgradation.

Seventh I feel would be the software (one in the Product sector). They feel the impact at a later stage. They go through a slow process of cut down. But never the less if Mobiles are not sold, Nokia, Samsung, Motorola have to cut jobs.

Eigth could be the insurace sector. Anyway most of them are agents so there is not much of a sacking concept here. Yes the commission would get reduced so they would ultimately suffer.

Finally there are the govt employees who are safe. I dont see banks cutting their staff either.



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-- Nassim Nicholas Taleb


Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 15/Oct/2008 at 6:59pm
Finally there are the govt employees who are safe. I dont see banks cutting their staff either.


So we can expect there will be a queue in Employment Exchange for the Government Jobs .So back to Government jobs again especially with the 6th Pay Commission Wink


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 15/Oct/2008 at 8:53pm
Originally posted by valueman

So we can expect there will be a queue in Employment Exchange for the Government Jobs .So back to Government jobs again especially with the 6th Pay Commission


Yeah.... the crowd from Stock Exchange would line up at Employment Exchange.

It is rumoured that a special job reservation quota is being considered for people who suffered huge losses in Capital Markets.
However one might be required to produce relevant Contract Notes as documentary evidence.




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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 16/Oct/2008 at 6:16am
tabling of insurance bill in parliament, reduction of fuel prices especially diesel just before elections, rbi permission for banks to increase stake in equity ,the worsening usa economic scenario which ultimately will put pressure on usd are few items which a mkt of this type will love to ignore

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Posted By: CHINKI
Date Posted: 16/Oct/2008 at 8:16am
But we should not??

So keep loading your favouri

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TOUGH TIMES NEVER LAST, BUT TOUGH PEOPLE DO


Posted By: CHINKI
Date Posted: 16/Oct/2008 at 8:17am
But we should not??

So keep loading your favourite stocks as and when you have cash and the prices are mouthwatering!!

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TOUGH TIMES NEVER LAST, BUT TOUGH PEOPLE DO


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 16/Oct/2008 at 8:50am
I only have water in my mouth but no cash in my pocket.

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Posted By: paragdesai
Date Posted: 16/Oct/2008 at 8:58am

Basantji,

You have told earlier that one can having negative capital (borrowed capital). Is this right time to take some calculative risk?


Posted By: CHINKI
Date Posted: 16/Oct/2008 at 9:26am
Originally posted by basant

I only have water in my mouth but no cash in my pocket.
Sometimes due to sudden downward drop in sensex/nifty coutesy Sam Uncle, even that water is getting evaporated

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Posted By: rakeshmehta48
Date Posted: 16/Oct/2008 at 9:26am
Originally posted by paragdesai

Basantji,

You have told earlier that one can having negative capital (borrowed capital). Is this right time to take some calculative risk?
 
Paragdesai Ji,
Even though you have addressed it to Basant Ji, please don't mind, me giving my view here.
I feel the time is ripe to take calculative risk with borrowed capital, PROVIDED one is able to serve this borrowed capital out of future surplus earning. (which should not be anticipated earning from capital markets)
Fund Management is very important.


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Fund Management is Most Important


Posted By: CHINKI
Date Posted: 16/Oct/2008 at 9:35am
That is true. You have to doubly careful when the market fell like almost 20% during last week.

You need to rush money to cover up your margin at short notice during those times. TAKE CARE & BE SURE OF YOUR FUND AMOUNT AVAILABILITY

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 16/Oct/2008 at 10:59am
Originally posted by paragdesai

Basantji,

You have told earlier that one can having negative capital (borrowed capital). Is this right time to take some calculative risk?
 
As long as the sell price is higher then the purchase price anytime is right but presently markets are responding to external factors which no one knows how long they would last so one needs to be calm and resist any opportunities for making quick gains because one can be stopped out on margin calls.
 


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Posted By: paragdesai
Date Posted: 16/Oct/2008 at 11:20am
Ok Sir.
Thanks.


Posted By: rakeshmehta48
Date Posted: 16/Oct/2008 at 11:34am
Originally posted by rakeshmehta48

Originally posted by paragdesai

Basantji,

You have told earlier that one can having negative capital (borrowed capital). Is this right time to take some calculative risk?
 
Paragdesai Ji,
Even though you have addressed it to Basant Ji, please don't mind, me giving my view here.
I feel the time is ripe to take calculative risk with borrowed capital, PROVIDED one is able to serve this borrowed capital out of future surplus earning. (which should not be anticipated earning from capital markets)
Fund Management is very important.
 
I think I couldn't express my self properly.
 
If borrowing is against shares and may result in margin call, then it's poison in today's scenario. One should not resort to such borrowing. One may be trapped sooner or later.THIS WILL BE TERMED AS BAD FUND MANAGEMENT.
 
What I meant was that if borrowing is from some other independent source (Not prone to margin call) ideally for longer period and repayable from future surplus earnings (Not from stocks) then only one may think of taking calculated risk.
 
The risk factor is high so one must have his fund management under control.


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Posted By: praveen
Date Posted: 17/Oct/2008 at 1:15pm

I am also thinking along similar lines but I am not in a hurry. I am waiting for

1. Volatility to go down before using leverage
2. Some technical pointers for timing purposes.  (like 15 DMA over 50 DMA)


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Posted By: master
Date Posted: 03/Nov/2008 at 10:05pm
Q2 blues: India Inc reports worst quarterly drop in profit
 
India Inc’s quarterly profit registered its biggest drop since the stock market regulator made it mandatory for firms to announce quarterly results in March 1998. The drop is directly related to losses by state-run oil marketing firms that were forced to sell fuel at subsidised rates and that too as the Indian rupee weakened. Net profit dropped 34 per cent in the three months ending September 30, the third quarterly decline since March 1998.

The estimate is based on the performance of a sample size of 1,379 companies for which data are available with Business Standard. Net sales of the sample group rose 38.26 per cent.

Excluding the six state-owned oil firms and 240 loss-making firms, the profit of the sample group rose 6.4 per cent, the slowest rise so far and a sign of the pressures on India Inc.

India Inc as a group posted its first quarterly profit drop in September 2001, when the so-called internet bubble burst. Firms reported a 19.6 per cent decline in profit as the US, the world’s largest economy, slowed, with the steel, automobile and textile sectors reporting large net losses. Corporate profits dropped for the second time in the three months ended December 2005. In that quarter, oil refiners suffered again when the government disallowed them from raising prices. Prices of commodities like sponge iron softened and the white goods and non-ferrous metal sectors also reported losses.



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Posted By: Mohan
Date Posted: 03/Nov/2008 at 8:06am
India Inc has maintained its top line growth but suffered a downturn in profits due to inflation in commodity input prices. With oil an other commodities input prices coming back down, good times are ahead.

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Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 03/Nov/2008 at 8:33am
Mohanji

Hope you got my message .I sent to your PM but it bounced back saying your InBox is full so I sent it to tour email through the forum .Hope you got my reply for your query ?


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Posted By: vijaygawde
Date Posted: 13/Jun/2012 at 8:43pm
Make the Moral Case for Indian Reform

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303901504577461830020044466.html?mod=asia_opinion

In 2004, a reasonably reformist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)-led coalition government broke the mould with its "India Shining" campaign — and was promptly turfed out of office. Since then, Indian politicians across party lines have come to believe that endorsing economic reforms is a form of political hara-kiri. The Congress-led coalition that came to power in 2004 boosted welfare spending and slowed reforms. Its 2009 re-election reinforced the message that handouts are the most reliable route to success.

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Posted By: rinkumalpani
Date Posted: 14/Jun/2012 at 5:28pm
Originally posted by vijaygawde

Make the Moral Case for Indian Reform http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303901504577461830020044466.html?mod=asia_opinionIn 2004, a reasonably reformist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)-led coalition government broke the mould with its "India Shining" campaign — and was promptly turfed out of office. Since then, Indian politicians across party lines have come to believe that endorsing economic reforms is a form of political hara-kiri. The Congress-led coalition that came to power in 2004 boosted welfare spending and slowed reforms. Its 2009 re-election reinforced the message that handouts are the most reliable route to success.



CONGRESS - MODERN INDIA KA MODERN ROBINHOOD. Any guesses who the beneficiaries are; not the common man atleast.


Posted By: S.Varghese
Date Posted: 25/Jun/2012 at 10:00am
I don't know if this fits in here - but one of the surprising things I never understood is this.
 
AIG had AAA rating before it went under. Infosys still has a BBB+ rating and we all know that Infosys will not borrow any money for a long long time.
 
It is unbelievably absurd. With these kind of rating reports what would be the rating of these rating companies? Junk?


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Posted By: amol.karale
Date Posted: 31/Mar/2013 at 2:48am
So India's current account deficit reached to 6.7% of GDP.
Do you think we are inching closer to balance of payment crisis? If high CAD continues going forward, how it will impact Indian economy?

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Posted By: siloni
Date Posted: 11/Apr/2013 at 4:01pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewdaJqFgWsM

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 31/Aug/2013 at 6:21pm
So what if the GDP grew at just 4.4% its enough for a few more scams. What say PM Manmohan Singh?

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Posted By: manish_okhade
Date Posted: 31/Aug/2013 at 8:56pm
This thread was started on 2008 with a scary economic prediction. Now after 5 years, we are back to this thread. Doesn't it tell something?


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 31/Aug/2013 at 9:26am
It just says that the world is round!

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Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 16/Sep/2013 at 9:08pm
Got this bleak analysis about Urban India's future . I do not know how far these things are true .

Subject: Fwd: INDIANS PLEASE READ, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT

India will be engulfed in a perfect storm latest by 2014. I was predicting
this to occur in 2015, but as the data evolves, my own pessimistic views
gets advanced closer.
Despite all the conspiracy theories out there that Indian Govt is doing it
purposely to bring black money into the country, I believe Indian Govt has
lost control of the economy since last year and despite all its measures
nothing can, nor will work. They can only pass ad hoc measures which will
have even more dire consequences.
Reasons of the doom by late 2014 will be:
1. Govt will start laying off for the first time in history of India in
2014 onwards.

In 2012, BSNL had over 250k employees and had a loss of INR 8,850 crores
(USD 1.3bn). Air India has over 28,000 employees with loss of INR 7,800
crores (USD 1.2bn) in 2012. MTNL has over 45,000 employees with a loss INR
3,300 crores (USD 507mn) in 2012. These 3 are the top losers in India aside
from expenditure on various areas like Indian Army, Indian Railways, Govt
schools, Govt hospitals etc not to mention Fertiliser Corp or HindustanCables.
Out of 225 Govt companies, 19% are major losers with losses each year in
the last 3 years as per Parliamentary report last week. These losses are set to grow due
to a weak environment.
http://zeenews.india.com/business/news/companies/43-cpses-incurring-losses-for-3-years-patel_82876.html - http://zeenews.india.com/business/news/companies/43-cpses-incurring-losses-for-3-
years-patel_82876.html
In India, less than 1% people pay income taxes hence passing any tax
measures is largely irrelevant so this tool is not useful in India. Austerity in India will
mean job cuts in the Govt sector.
2. Rupee and GDP will keep declining. This year was my prediction of 4%
growth in GDP since Jan 2013, because last 3 years, India has grown 2%
lower than opening estimates of the Govt at the beginning of the year. They
predicted 6% earlier this year so India will grow 4% pa this fiscal. I had
also predicted USDINR at 60 in Mar 2012 as well as Dec 2011 and 70 was for
next year but it will happen this year and remain there. 65 is the new average for the
next few weeks. INR 80 will happen also within next year and we may see 100 within
3-5 years if downgrades occur and low GDP / high inflation persists, which it mostly
will due to higher oil prices and various capital control measures and lack of FDI/FII.
3. Inflation which is already at 10%, will rise, beyond India's control to
close to 20% within the next few months. According to Govt's own data,prices have
risen about 30% in last 3 years since 2010 in
most places
around India. In reality, inflation is much higher for daily utilities, food, movies,
phone bills, school fees, gold, taxi and air fares etc.
http://mospi.nic.in/mospi_new/upload/t4.pdf - http://mospi.nic.in/mospi_new/upload/t4.pdf
4. Oil, Gold, imported products such as fashion brands, watches, cars, TV's
etc are not in Govt control. They are a necessity for the masses and to
keep the economy running except for luxury products. I expect, with 80%
probability as on date, a complete ban on imported products which will make
matters even worse taking car dealerships, fashion brands and many people
out of business, especially those with debt.
India has raised taxes on imported TV's by individuals to 36% in order to drastically
reduce imported TV's in Aug 2013.
India has hiked gold duties to 10% and placed various measures to reduce
gold imports since Jan 2012.
India has hiked customs duty on luxury imported cars from 75% to 100% in
Mar 2013. While duties on SUV's were hiked by 3% to 30% on all SUV's. The
customs duty on yachts has risen from 10% to 25% since March 2013 budget.
5. Private employment is declining and major foreign companies from RBS to
ABN AMRO to Soc Gen to Morgan Stanley to Credit Suisse to UBS to Fraport to
Thomas Cook to NY Life to Esprit have left - after laying off thousands -
and many more like Dell, Motorola to CNBC India have fired hundreds just
last week. IT companies and Gold companies are laying off by thousands,
Outsourcing is weak and call centres are expensive to maintain in India.
Major car companies have started laying off 'outsourced' employees. Stock
prices of jewellers, exporters, real estate companies, shipping companies
are 80% to 90% down already.
http://www.business-standard.com/article/management/corporate-india-in-layoffmode- - http://www.business-standard.com/article/management/corporate-india-in-layoffmode-
gloomy-job-market-ahead-113081900906_1.html
http://www.hindustantimes.com/business-news/Markets/500-000-workers-lose-jobsas-jewellers-curbgold-imports/Article1-1102555.aspx - http://www.hindustantimes.com/business-news/Markets/500-000-workers-lose-jobsas-
jewellers-curbgold-
imports/Article1-1102555.aspx
http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/siemens-lays-off-200-may-cutmore-
113062000703_1.html
6. Tax climate and general demand and economic climate is very weak.Indians are
value conscious people who visit malls but do not buy because
each has a source where to buy cheapest in the same town so malls are in
trouble and several malls which opened just 5 years ago in metro cities as
well as Tier 2 cities have started closing down. Car sales have declined 9
months in a row. From Vodafone to Nokia to Microsoft are involved in tax
disputes with the Govt. not to mention endless scams.
Hundreds of stores and dozens of malls have shut down in the last fewyears.
http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/bjp-seeks-action-by-govt-onnsel-payment-crisis-113080800520_1.html - http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/bjp-seeks-action-by-govt-onnsel-
payment-crisis-113080800520_1.html
http://www.rediff.com/business/slide-show/slide-show-1-special-from-glitzyshopping-to-closure-the-story-of-dying-malls/20130826.htm#1 - http://www.rediff.com/business/slide-show/slide-show-1-special-from-glitzyshopping-
to-closure-the-story-of-dying-malls/20130826.htm#1
7. Interest rates are rising rapidly almost 1% in the last 1 month alone
whether on bank deposits to attract money or on cost of lending to
borrowers hence cost of business is rising and rollovers are that much more
difficult when at the same time sales are down. Car loans are above 10% and
Home loans are same. Ffirst time, media has reported that house prices in
major cities all across India have started declining.
http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/22-out-of-26-cities-show-dropin-property-prices-113082700515_1.html - http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/22-out-of-26-cities-show-dropin-
property-prices-113082700515_1.html
Indian banks have become free from RBI regulations to take interest rates
on deposits above 3 years to any level. Today, Indian banks, for example,
Axis Bank, are paying to NRI's, an interest rate of 4.78% on 3 year deposit
in USD, 5.17% on 4 year term and 5.56% on a 5 year USD deposit on a per
annum basis. This is higher than the highest rates in the world on USD
deposits reflecting the dire liquidity situation!
http://www.axisbank.com/download/Interest-Rates-on-NRI-Deposits.pdf - http://www.axisbank.com/download/Interest-Rates-on-NRI-Deposits.pdf
This clearly indicates inability of banks to raise new funds at a time when
their loan losses are rising rapidly.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Gross-non-performingassets-of-nationalised-banks-soar/articleshow/22015086.cms - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Gross-non-performingassets-
of-nationalised-banks-soar/articleshow/22015086.cms
8. Corporate default rates will rise to extraordinary levels within the
next 9 to 18 months mostly due to INR declin
e and inability of weak banks
to help corporates rollover or give additional support. About half a dozen
USD borrowing loans or bonds have already defaulted this year.
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-05-28/news/39579995_1_infrasector-banking-sector-banking-system - http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-05-28/news/39579995_1_infrasector-
banking-sector-banking-system
Foreign USD borrowings will either get banned or slow down due to tighter
regulations because new money from abroad causes immense inflation across
India.
9. Due to high interest rates (to attract money), high unemployment (due to
foreigners and multi national companies leaving who have capacity to pay
high rentals as well as other laying off staff), low demand of real estate,
high prices of all imported goods for construction (due to declining
Rupee), the real estate values will plunge similar to sub prime crisis in
the USA due to a perfect storm.
I expect real estate price declines of over
30% to 40% in metro cities where prices went astronomical and 40% to 50%
declines in Tier 2 cities over the 2014-2015 period and onwards.
Even media has started talking, however mildly, of the same.
http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/is-real-estate-next-in-lineto-collapse-113082800322_1.html - http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/is-real-estate-next-in-lineto-
collapse-113082800322_1.html
10. It is not that men do not rape in India. Rape is a persistent crime
globally.
However, the depravity and recent surge can be directly
associated to the unemployment levels impacting such crime. For example,
the infamous Delhi rape incident occured in Dec 2012 just because 5 men
decided to go for a drive since they were sitting idle. Had they been busyworking 7
days a week, this incident may not have occurred.
11. Law and order has gone out of control. On one side, Pakistan keeps
assaulting India with terrorist attacks of 2008 or Parliament attack
previously and NOTHING provokes India which is a sign of impotence. China
has started intruding. Naxalites are resurgent which is why Govt decided to
break up a state last month into two in South India. An entire team of top
politicians was assassinated in another state recently by Naxalites who
hate Govt. mostly due to unemployment in the poorest states.
India has also antagonized its neighbours so badly over the last few
decades from interfering in Sri Lanka's war resulting in an ex-Indian PM's
assassination by the Sri Lankan separation army in 1991 to Nepalese
becoming unfriendy, Pakistan attacking it on numerous occasions, China
setting up camps, and now, puny Myanmar with less than 50m people has set
up camp inside India.
Can India's impotence, political frailty and disunity, and local
neighbourhood bully persona get more amply demonstrated than displayed by a
tiny neighbour who is setting up an army camp inside India that India
cannot even defend at a time when it's economic situation is already in
dire straits?
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/after-pakistan-and-china-now-myanmar-...
It would be so funny if it was not so tragic as well as sad looking at
India's forthcoming demise!
12. Courts have been more active and taking steps, however, the unintended
consequences are that in Bihar, Goa and Andhra that are mineral rich
states, courts have banned mining, due to corruption, leading to lack of
supplies to power and aluminium plants wreaking havoc
on profitability and
employment in those states and closure of steel plants or expansion.
13. Corruption, malnutrition and poverty combined with illiteracy,
superstition and caste

is
m can play havoc with the best of countries
anywhere. India has this lethal combination which has started erupting likea disease
over the last few years due to their inability to participate in
the economic growth 'mirage'. Corruption is finally showing its impact now
after several decades.
14. India's rating downgrade will kick its highest 10 year bond rates in
the world, comparable to Greece, Ukraine and Venezuela on the 10 year
yield, even higher and maybe bring India's rating down 2
notches in the
next 2-3 years.
15. Price of Gold in India has gone from INR 20k prior to 2005 to INR 97k
today which is a rise of 4 times in less than 8 years keeping the
purchasing power of Indian farmers intact to the extent any of them own
gold. Investors, on the other hand, have been slaughtered, due to the
volatility if playing on margin. Gold in Indian Rupee is at the highest
levels in the world.
16. Indian farmers are commiting far more suicides lately than any other
farmer in the world due to rising interest rates, water being channelisedfrom rivers
towards 5 star hotels, golf courses, power plants, vineyards
etc and consequent decline of water in canals and rivers for farmers. According to a
UN report last year, one Indian farmer kills himself every 37 minutes!
4,000 farmers may not be a lot every year with 1.3bn people but still.....it is higher
than before....
http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/csd/csd16/PF/presentations/farmers_relief.pdf - http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/csd/csd16/PF/presentations/farmers_relief.pdf
17. India never had a growth story. Its inflation was always higher than
its GDP growth. Additionally, the entire 'growth' came from FDI/FII an
d
exports which means it was reliant on foreigners. With US and Europe in
crisis, exports have collapsed and FDI/FII is leaving. India does not even
come in the Top 10 FDI recepient countries in the world. With foreigners
leaving and the capex that was planned with the growth in mind fuelled by
debt, is coming due and we all know payback is a bitch, especially if taken
in USD and 50% damage to the currency in less than 2 years will devastate
even the hedged players!
India can only insulate itself by slowing down, taking stock of the damage,
reduce imports of everything except of oil, improve efficiency, punish
corrupt (which is like saying the whole world should stop eating for
months) :)
India has become a train wreck with no brakes at 400 kms per hour and we
all know what happens next....
Couple of things are possible,...which may be ONE of the reasons why India
has just plunged into this nightmare
...1) Maybe a downgrade is imminent and
some have become aware.......2) maybe capital controls will be placed, much
more than introduced 2 weeks ago....or...3) maybe rules to convert black
money into white will be introduced which they must, whether now or within
the next few years becasue this is the next pot of money which the Govt has
to ensure enters the legitimate stream and can be taxed and helps the
economy sustain itself.
Some of the capital control measures that India has placed on gold in the
last 8 months are mind boggling:
- Jan 21 - The government raises the gold import duty by 2% to 6%.
- Jan 22 - The government more than doubles the duty on raw gold to 5%.
- Jan 30 - Finance Minister P. Chidambaram says there are no plans for
additional taxes or curbs on gold imports.
- Feb 1 - The Reserve Bank of India (RBI) plans to introduce three or
four gold-linked products in the next few months.
- Feb 6 - The RBI says it would consider imposing value and quantit
y
restrictions on gold imports by banks.
- Feb 14 - The central bank relaxes rules on gold deposit schemes
offered by banks by allowing lenders to offer the products with shorter
maturities.
- Feb 20 - The Trade Ministry recommends suspending cheaper gold
jewellery imports from Thailand.
- Feb 28 - India keeps its gold import duty unchanged in its annual
national budget, defying industry expectations.
- Feb 28 - India proposes a transaction tax of 0.01% on nonagricultura
futures contracts, including for precious metals.
- March 1 - The Finance Minister appeals to people not to buy so much
gold.
- March 18 - The Reserve Bank of India says it is examining banks that
sell gold coins and wealth management products to identify "systemic
issues", with a view to closing any legal loopholes.
- April 2 - The Finance Ministry suggests it is unlikely to raise the
import tax on gold further to avoid smuggling and would instead introdu
ce
inflation-indexed instruments.
- May 3 - The RBI restricts the import of gold on a consignment basis by
banks.
- June 3 - The Finance Minister says India cannot afford high levels of
gold imports and may review its import policy.
- June 5 - India hikes the gold import duty by a third, to 8%.
- June 21 - Reliance Capital halts gold sales and investments in its
gold-backed funds.
- June 24 - India's biggest jewellers' association asks members to sto
p
selling gold bars and coins, about 35% of their business.
- July 10 - India's jewellers announce they might continue a voluntary
ban on sales of gold coins and bars for six months.
- July 22 - The RBI moves to tighten gold imports again, making them
dependent on export volumes, but offers relief to domestic sellers b
y
lifting restrictions on credit deals.
- July 31 - India hopes to contain gold imports well below the 845
tonnes that were shipped last year, the Finance Minister says.
- Aug 13 - India hikes the import duty on gold for a third time in 2013,
to 10%. Duties for silver and platinum are also increased to 10%. Th
e
customs duty on gold ore bars, ore, and concentrate are increased to 8%
from 6%.
- Aug 14 - India turns the screws on gold buying again, banning imports
of coins and medallions and making domestic buyers pay cash.In another ad hoc move
last night Aug 29, 2013, Govt is planning to as
some Govt banks to start buying gold from the public as a last ditch
measure:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/29/us-india-economy-goldidUSBRE97S0IW20130829 - http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/29/us-india-economy-goldidUSBRE97S0IW20130829
While this may be a good thing in the short term but to the enlightened fewand all the
foreigners, this is a desperate move indicating further
weakness in the future because Govt needs gold to survive and has no other
means.
Today, Aug 30, 2013, Govt has introduced margins for gold futures trading at 10%
instead of 4% until now which was hiked last year from 1%. This will bring
speculative activity down but also hurt the gold jewellers who use it for hedging
purposes.
Indians have 31,000 tons of gold valued at USD 1.4 trillion and even 5% or
10% will be sufficient but if the public is not receptive to get Indian
Rupees in exchange for gold, and DO NOT give enough gold to the Govt, this
will be a slap in the face to the Govt and a wake up call to the global
public that the economic crisis worldwide is going to get worse.
18. India has had a small uptick in its exports which is the only saving
grace but with US and Europe as well as China producing more internally and

consuming the same due to their own unemployment and growth problems,
Indian exports may be in for a rough ride. China exports from India have seen
declines in the first half of 2013.
19. Reduction in QE by US and possibly other countries will also have a
slightly negative impact on India and everyone else but I do not believe on
its own, this has a major negative impact.
As combination of other
negatives, this does have some impact though. If this was the case, then
Middle Eastern stock markets (that rely even more heavily on foreign
buying) would not be at 5 year highs and other Asian currencies especially
China would have also declined as much as IDR and INR have done, but that
s certainly not the case.
20. Another India negative is that America has the US dollar printing
hegemony to help it, PIIGS have Germany to bail them out, e
ven Dubai has
Abu Dhabi, but unfortunately, India has no one to go to seek help!
21. India cannot even issue a sovereign bond in USD or for NRI's because if
they issue a sovereign bond, their debt rises further, and they get

downgraded immediately, on the other hand, if they issue a sovereign bond,
then the interest rate will be so high (higher than the weakest countries
globally) that country will get downgraded immediately. This is the reason,
every country or company must raise funds and keep them aside when they do
not need it because no one will help if the crisis comes.
India must reinvent itself but before that it has to burn down and collapse
before starting life all over again...With a 1.3bn population it is indeed
an impossible task! And when it bursts, it will not be nice! Riots and
civil unrest will just be the start. Last year or two until now has been a
trailer, fasten your seat belts, the movie will begin shortly.
The population of India will pay a very heavy price of India's rising
incompetence, shameful corruption and very high inflation. Foreigners have
left and now neighbours are moving in (such as Myanmar, Pakistan and China)!
Meanwhile, UK is blocking Indians to visit UK with visa deposit fees while
US is going to amend H1B visas causing thousands if not millions to return
to India (Infosys is due to announce thousands of job cuts in days ahead).
Singapore is closing foreign workers just like Canada for IT and other
professionals. Middle East workers are also banned in Kuwait and Saudi
while Libya and Egypt are closed. It will be one of the worst turning
points of any country ever for India in the months ahead!
Talk of a perfect storm.....
Stay tuned....



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 17/Sep/2013 at 2:23pm
Does it also mean that all this is in the price?

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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 17/Sep/2013 at 12:35pm
Hmm...comprehensive rabble rousing post covering rapes to monetary policies to geopolitical matters etc.

Important topics like Aids is missing though..perhaps those will get covered in the second version?


Posted By: wiseowl
Date Posted: 17/Sep/2013 at 10:38am
The statements in bold (without the dates, factual updates and the obvious error in point 15) would be valid at any point in time after India's independence.

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Posted By: rajnsharma
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2013 at 9:32am
It's another fortuneteller at his best on the negative side :)

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Posted By: S.Varghese
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2013 at 10:08am

But one thing is very certain - Unless we are able to break the politician-bureaucrat-builder nexus in India, Indians will live in squalor for a long time to come.

A significant chunk of a person's income goes into housing leaving much for any other businesses to flourish. Unless this changes Indians will sitting on million dollar assets but living sub-saharan lifestyles.
 
Today I read a news that FinMin is thinking of subsidizing interest rates for home and auto buyers. I dont support but can understand supporting the auto industry, but subsidizing builders? Nothing can be crazier than that.


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Posted By: S.Varghese
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2013 at 10:18am
But one thing is very certain - Unless we are able to break the politician-bureaucrat-builder nexus in India, Indians will live in squalor for a long time to come.

A significant chunk of a person's income goes into housing leaving not much for any other businesses to flourish. Unless this changes Indians will be sitting on million dollar assets but living sub-Saharan lifestyles.

Today I read a news that the FinMin is thinking of subsidizing interest rates for home and auto buyers. I don't like it but can understand supporting the auto industry, but subsidizing builders? Morally it is despicable and nothing can be crazier than that.

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Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 19/Sep/2013 at 1:47pm
My take on India is that in the coming months Urban India will face lot of economic stress while Rural India will have some positive economic upward movement . How this will translate in stock market terms is to be seen .In the last week saw few programs on TV where few people expressed high bullishness on the rural sector this time due to good monsoon .

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Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2013 at 3:21pm
Another things that  I have observed is that there is maximum pessimism /frustration everywhere due to Urban India slowing down . The following is what I have observed myself .
Pessimism and Frustration among seasoned Investors
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 People like RJ , Ramesh Damani etc are coming on TV and expressing their frustration , RJ is freely discussing his stocks ( he never used to reveal much what he invested before ) and it seems basically even seasoned Investors have been caught with their pants down in the last few years .
A cousin of mine who works with a stock firm has said that retail participation has come down extremely down .Only people who are positive are those who are betting on the rural economy which they feel will be better this time due to good monsson .

Frustration among shopkeepers and small scale business :
In day to day life I see many shopkeepers , small business units etc working overtime ( sometimes even on Sundays ) , extending maximum credit to regular customers ,squeezing every possible way to see that they dont loose their business as many people have cut down their outside expenses .For eg. the small kirana shop in my locality ( in Chennai ) will always keep his shop closed on sundays ( except open on first sunday of the month ) is now keeping it open on all the days and on sundays his family members sit in the shop . He says he is postponing the marriage of his daughter as his daughter is assisting him in the shop and he is able to retain the customer because of her presence . Similarly the XEROX/DTP shop in my locality is keeping the shop opened even on sundays as much as possible to not loose the customer and sometimes the owner himself comes to do the work on sundays .He said that the paper prices have gone up and when he tried hiking the price of Xerox from Re.1 to Re.1.5 the orders came down and he had to revvert back to the old rate and he does not know how long he can continue as the labor rates are also expensive . He told me yesterday that if things go worse he may discontinue his business . Even big retail outlets like Odysessy , Landmark are finding it tough as most customers buy books and other items online for cheaper rates through flipkart.com and people come here only for time pass and window shopping .
Restaurants :
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Restaurants which are considered recession proof have also cut down their prices as they have seen a sharp decrease in their regular customer base to the steep hiking of prices few months back due to increase in the prices of rice ,dal , vegetables , cooking oil etc . There is severe shortage of labor and the available labor is expensive and added to this is the high cost of food items + rental charges and the restaurants are finding it increasingly difficult to maintain prices with the above constraints .
Even a seasoned Branded Hotel like Saravana Bhavan in Chennai is facing the heat and their service has declined a lot ( though the food is good but quite expensive ) .A few weeks back I went to their restaurant for morning breakfast in the non a/c section l and was shocked by their poor service and thought it happened only for me but when I went through the comments of others in tripadvisor this is what I found some shocking samples  .Note all these comments are for the non a/c service while the a/c service works well but u will end up paying a lot in that + added tax .

This place is becoming the worst gradually from poor. Instead of concentrating on increasing the count of restaurants, the management can improve the service and train the staff on servicing the visitors

Extremely crowded and too expensive for the ambience. Everyone thinks they are doing you a favour by listening to you and / or providing you what you ask for. Extremely poor service attitude.

Not the same Saravana Bhavan as you would have seen ten years before. Volume of business has increased but the quality is not the same. Until they do something, SBH will be a history in the future.

Note : I still love Saravana Bhavan and will go again in future but pointing out the slow declining standards and wonder whether has it got anything to do with General India slowing down and the frustrations it has on the employees and employers .

Small Businessmen and Self employed persons :

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I have seen many small business men and self employed professionals drastically cutting down on their expenses especially on the rentals and hiring of staff , flight and hotel expenses . They travel only when very very necessary and even if they travel by flight they avoid staying in Hotels and try to return the same day and catch the late flight or early morning flight and prefer to stay in the airports .
Recently a relative of mine who is an independent financial consultant and was staying in a luxury apartment on rent decided to move to his father's residence that has the upper portion empty in order to save the huge rent he was paying and this is causing a big problem between him and his wife as she refuses to move to the inlaws place and according to my friend the good days are over and he cant afford paying huge rent and has decided to move out from his luxury apartment .

Another relative of mine from abroad decided to do a small training business in India and had hired a decent apartment ( office cum apartment ) for the same and were paying premium rates for it as it was in a posh locality but now seeing the very slow way in which their business is moving they have decided to cut the cost and  move to a more simple office sharing with another relative of mine and are very much relived to cut their monthly expenses by a great deal .

Tourism :

Many people in the past used to go to Hongkong , Switzerland ,Singapore ,Dubai for their vacations but now have to either content with local places or have cut off their vacations as the flight charges have skyrocketed .
In one Tier-2 city in Tamil Nadu I met the regular Cab Driver who told that previously he will be very busy and customers will be chasing him for his service but now he is the one sitting idle and waiting for the occasional customer and previously they used to stay for 3-4 days and he had a good time taking them out on all the 3-4 days but now they stay for 1 day or at the most 2 days .
I used to visit Rishikiesh quite often and there this time after the Uttarakhand tragedy they feel that the tourism industry which was the backbone for them has got severely hit and that trickle effect will be felt only later and the the people involved in tourism are now desperately seeking other ways to enhance their revenues .I went in April 2014 before this Uttrakhand tragedy and that time itself it was dull and added to it was  due to the Nirbhaya rape case in Dec 2012 in Delhi many single foreign women travellers stopped coming and they saw a 30% drop in their business .


So in conclusion :  I feel that things are going on but they are non going on smoothly and effortlessly as it happened in the past and everyone have to work extremely hard ,work overtime , curtail their expenses , and do many things to keep their business intact as most of general public  have heavily cut down their expenses .So the good old days of easy and effortless way of doing business is gone and until one slogs day in and out  keeping a very tight control on his expenses he will not survive much .The same applies to stock investing in current times  .


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Posted By: S.Varghese
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2013 at 7:16pm

This was an extremely well written observation but I have a question here. If business is bad, employment should be down and more unemployed persons. Then why are the restaurants findign it difficult to have staff? Probably skilla mismatch.

My observation in Mumbai and my conclusion. In Navi Mumabi where I live most of the malls are doing very badly. Two of them - City Center mall and Palm Beach Galleria - have become ghost malls. The only one doing ok is InOrbit at Vashi where I have seen that the footfalls have reduced drastically.
 
I talked to a boy at the waffle cone shop in Phoenix market city at Kurla. He said business is down - 1000-2000 per day and 10000 on weekends - whereas it used to be 10000 on weekdays and 30000-400000 on weekends.
 
I see this situation will not improve unless the housing becomes cheaper in Mumbai. People spend an inordinate amount on housing and schooling that they do not have any money to spend on other things. How will businesses flourish when people do not have money to spend? It is a negative feedback loop - Less business, less employment, still less business, still less employment. Unless Mumbai RE rates falls by 30%-40% things will not improve.


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Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2013 at 7:49pm


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Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2013 at 8:03pm
Originally posted by valueman

[quote]I see this situation will not improve unless the housing becomes cheaper in Mumbai. People spend an inordinate amount on housing and schooling that they do not have any money to spend on other things.


That's the key for the stagnation of business in Urban Indian Cities .Unless Business in India are able to deliver budget and affordable products and services this situation will continue .
Online retailers like flipkart.com are doing good business because of this model .
Similarly is the need for Budget restaurants /Budget Hotels etc .
Also one more thing is more Engineering Graduates are unemployed ( except  those who come out of good collages and Universities ) and since the IT boom is no longer there they have to be content with Call Centre Jobs or other lower paying jobs  . These jobs give them only enough money for their day to day living expense and not to spend heavily on travel , food , shopping etc .
A relative of mine who works in a Cab Agency in Chennai told that he is pained to see many BE Graduates desperate to work for Salary of Rs.10,000- Rs.12,000 as Call Centre worker for their Cab Agency . They feel it is better to get some pay than to site idle at home .
In the past few years there has been a huge racket in Southern States mostly in Tamil Nadu with the flourishing of many Private Engineering Collages and it attracts people from all over India and Indians abroad also send their children here in NRI Quota . By the time a guy finishes his BE in these private Engineering Collage the parents would have spent Rs.8 -Rs.10, Lacs and not all get prized jobs . Only 10% get the cream of jobs and rest have to settle down for cheap jobs that do not require them to have BE Degree in the first place . Same with the MBA degree racket .

I do not see the situation improving much in the near future as lot of money is already sucked in Real Estate , Jewellary and people spending heavily on their Children's  Higher Education  .

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Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2013 at 8:46am

Is India's love affair with shopping malls over?
August 26, 2013
If 120 new malls have come up in the last two years, 40 have downed shutters. Some lessons from the experiences of dying malls
http://www.business-standard.com/article/management/is-india-s-love-affair-with-shopping-malls-over-113082500331_1.html - http://www.business-standard.com/article/management/is-india-s-love-affair-with-shopping-malls-over-113082500331_1.html

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Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2013 at 11:56am
A million engineers in India struggling to get placed in an extremely challenging market
ET Bureau Jun 18, 2013,

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-06-18/news/40049243_1_engineers-iit-bombay-batch-size?intenttarget=no - http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-06-18/news/40049243_1_engineers-iit-bombay-batch-size?intenttarget=no

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Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 21/Sep/2013 at 7:33pm
As food prices tank, it’s time to stand up and eat
July 23, 2013
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/as-food-prices-tank-its-time-to-stand-up-and-eat/article4942157.ece - http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/as-food-prices-tank-its-time-to-stand-up-and-eat/article4942157.ece

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Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 23/Sep/2013 at 12:04pm

One more project in doldrums
Some want Navi Mumbai airport scrapped, others want to dream on


http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/1892596/report-dna-exclusive-some-want-navi-mumbai-airport-scrapped-others-want-to-dream-on - http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/1892596/report-dna-exclusive-some-want-navi-mumbai-airport-scrapped-others-want-to-dream-on
 The state government has one good reason to pull the plug on the Navi Mumbai airport. Scrapping a project that has been in the pipeline for 15 years would work for the better in the long run as it will surely bring down realty rates in Navi Mumbai and hit the politician-developer nexus hard.  

A handful of people are blackmailing the government by taking advantage of the decision to build an airport there. These are not poor farmers, but land sharks who have purchased land from farmers in cahoots with local politicians and are negotiating to make a killing for themselves,” said urban development expert Chandrashekhar Prabhu.

“If the government scraps the airport, 6,000 hectares of land will be available in the open market and that will drastically reduce realty prices in Navi Mumbai.” He said such a scenario would be a nightmare for the satellite city’s politicians and developers.

Typical of the Mumbai model of on-paper development, the politician-builder nexus has been milking the non-existent airport for over a decade. They have been jacking up realty prices at every stage of the airport’s clearance. Real estate prices in the catchment area of the airport have trebled in 10 years, riding on the hype surrounding the project.

Ironically, the man who is negotiating on behalf of the farmers, local MLA Vivek Patil, is sceptical about the feasibility of the airport.

“The airport should come up at a place which is out of city limits.

Cidco has developed nodes like Kharghar, Kalamboli, New Panvel, Ulwe, Dronagiri, etc which surround the airport project and it’s Cidco that floated the idea of an airport. It is beyond my understanding,” said Patil.

Patil said unless the Sewri-Nhava Sheva Trans-Harbour Link comes up, there will be no connectivity between Mumbai and Navi Mumbai, failing the very objective of decongesting the Mumbai airport. Incidentally, the Trans-Harbour project has also been stuck for 15 years.

Industry observers said that had the state acquired land first before announcing the project, the airport would be  a reality. “It is the government and Cidco’s fault to announce the project first.

Now, these people’s demands are growing daily,” said realty expert Madan Kumar.

Cidco’s plan to promote Ulwe and Dronagiri as gateways to the airport has fallen flat. “What we need is a railway station, not airport,” said resident Srikrishna Goswami.

Developers are hopeful that talks with land owners succeed. “After all the years, it’s down to one last hurdle,” said Devang Trivedi, secretary, Builders’ Association of Navi Mumbai. He said the delay and rising cost are concerns but if the airport comes up, it will impact Navi Mumbai’s overall development. Clearly, the operational word is ‘if’.

Scenario if project is scrapped

The proposed Navi Mumbai airport has been in the pipeline for 15 years now. Should the state government cancel the much-hyped project, it will result in a sharp decline in the realty prices in the satellite city, which have trebled in the last decade.

The politician-developer nexus, which has been cashing in on the proposed project, will be hit hard. Farmers and citizens are unlikely to be adversely affected.

Stakeholders paint a grim picture
Local MLA Vivek Patil, who has been negotiating on behalf of the farmers, is sceptical about the feasibility of the proposed airport as there is no connectivity between  Mumbai and Navi Mumbai.

Local residents say they need a railway station from where they can go to their offices, not an airport. The developer fraternity, however, wants the project to go through for the overall development of Navi Mumbai.

Many milestones, but miles to go

1997 Ministry of civil aviation constituted a committee to examine various sites for a second airport for Mumbai. Rewas-Mandwa was recommended as suitable site

2000 A sub-committee constituted by the Airports Authority of India (AAI) examined the Navi Mumbai site and found it technically and operationally feasible

2001 Cidco submitted technical reports and AAI suggested carrying out simulation study to examine the inter-operability of two airports (Mumbai and Navi Mumbai) in a single airspace

2006 International Civil Aviation Organisation conducted simulation study sponsored jointly by Cidco/GoM & AAI. Study said simultaneous operation is possible

2007 Cidco submitted project feasibility and business plan to civil aviation ministry which obtained an in-principle approval from the Union cabinet

2008 Cidco appointed consortium led by M/s **** Berger Group (LBG), Inc USA as prime consultant for the proposed airport’s development and state granted approval for development of Navi Mumbai International Airport (NMIA) on PPP basis, appointing Cidco as nodal agency for its implementation

2009 Bombay high court accepted Cidco’s request for amendment of CRZ notifications and MoEF issued notification permitting greenfield airport at Navi Mumbai in CRZ areas, subject to environmental safeguards

2010 Environment and CRZ clearance for NMIA project granted by MoEF

2013 Forest department gave last of the mandatory clearances for airport, only land acquisition remains for the project to take off

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Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 23/Sep/2013 at 3:28pm
Top builders sitting on Rs 58,000-cr inventory

Nearly a third accounted for by DLF alone; HDIL's share 20%

http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/top-builders-sitting-on-rs-58-000-cr-inventory-113092200274_1.html -
http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/top-builders-sitting-on-rs-58-000-cr-inventory-113092200274_1.html

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Posted By: S.Varghese
Date Posted: 23/Sep/2013 at 4:57pm
I will be the happiest when the RE bubble bursts in India. I already have a house and I do not plan to invest, but my countrymen who are now living in utter squalor will be able to afford a small roof over their heads.

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Posted By: koolvalue
Date Posted: 23/Sep/2013 at 6:08pm
Originally posted by valueman

Top builders sitting on Rs 58,000-cr inventoryNearly a third accounted for by DLF alone; HDIL's share 20% http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/top-builders-sitting-on-rs-58-000-cr-inventory-113092200274_1.html - http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/top-builders-sitting-on-rs-58-000-cr-inventory-113092200274_1.html



Considering the fact that a average apartment comes at 1cr
now a days it amounts to equivalent of 58000 unsold apartment units which is nothing.This is not enough to burst RE bubble.What we need is DEMAT form of holding of real estate and heavy taxes on unoccupied flats and unconstructed plots.


Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 13/Nov/2013 at 5:37pm
India entering a phase of recession ?
http://commonmansblog.com/2013/08/18/india-entering-a-phase-of-recession/%20 - http://commonmansblog.com/2013/08/18/india-entering-a-phase-of-recession/

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To achieve satisfactory investment results is easier than most people realize ; to achieve superior results is harder than it looks .
Benjamin Graham.


Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 13/Nov/2013 at 6:47pm
FMCG growth continues to slow down

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/FMCG-growth-continues-to-slow-down/articleshow/25671331.cms - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/FMCG-growth-continues-to-slow-down/articleshow/25671331.cms

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To achieve satisfactory investment results is easier than most people realize ; to achieve superior results is harder than it looks .
Benjamin Graham.


Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 14/Nov/2013 at 6:44am

MNCs look beyond India slowdown

Have committed themselves to investing Rs 1,85,000 cr since last year


http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/mncs-look-beyond-india-slowdown-113111401113_1.html - http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/mncs-look-beyond-india-slowdown-113111401113_1.html



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To achieve satisfactory investment results is easier than most people realize ; to achieve superior results is harder than it looks .
Benjamin Graham.


Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 09/Dec/2013 at 7:03am
Rajan blames domestic factors for India's economic woes

http://www.rediff.com/business/slide-show/slide-show-1-rajan-blames-domestic-factors-for-indias-economic-woes/20131209.htm - http://www.rediff.com/business/slide-show/slide-show-1-rajan-blames-domestic-factors-for-indias-economic-woes/20131209.htm

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To achieve satisfactory investment results is easier than most people realize ; to achieve superior results is harder than it looks .
Benjamin Graham.



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