Hi,
The last quarter was the most difficult one ever since this bull m
arket started in 2003. The tendency of stocks to respond to the force of stocks reflected such a tendency to respond to the force of gravity as they did in this quarter was profound.
This quarter saw two changes in http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=429 - The Equity Desk XI with:
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=%20%20href= - Voltas replaces TV 18 in The EquityDesk XI.
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1535 - IDFC replaces Fin Tech in TheEquityDesk X
Being focused on financials, media, retail and infrastructure The EquityDesk XI stocks also lost a lot of in price from their January highs but since all these businesses are either leaders in their space or very close to that position there is reason to feel optimistic about their prospects going forward.
With the recent inflation scare and other data people can think in two different ways. The optimists would say that we are already down 35% from our peak so are we discounting the worst whereas the other camp would say that the worst is yet to come.
I wish there were easy answers to this. Personally I am convinced that over the next 12 months we will be higher then what we are today.
The coming quarter would be defining. Ever since 1992 we have seen that the moment the stock prices stop moving upwards companies are out in the market washing dirty linen and stating that growth is a problem.I expect no such thing to repeat itself – at least in for the front liners (sector leaders).
Companies dependent on capital markets as part of their business model or for raising funds could be under the hammer. In such circumstances it pays to be with companies where RoCE> growth.
The Global conditions add to the discomfort. The new buzz word in the financial markets is “coupling”. A point to ponder upon is had this story been in vogue how could our index have gone up 5 times over the past 5 years whereas the Dow done has nothing. This theory also rubbishes all claims of GDP growth differential. That means a country that can grow at 8%+ and a country that is nearing recession should have similar stock price movements.
It just cannot get more bizarre then this.
Anyone who was in the markets during 2000-03 and bought stocks (non tech) would know the kind of returns stocks given when they are bought in times where the mass public is abandoning them. But temporary losses in paper capital create permanent roadblocks to wealth generation.
During that time the analyst opinion was similar and the markets did respond but the real money was made by people who bought in 2000-03 rather then from 2003-07 (when things had dramatically improved).
Company
|
Recm
Date |
Recm
Price |
Current
Price |
Absolute % |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=295 - Everest Kanto |
8-Sep-06 |
80 |
265 |
231 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69 - Mc Dowell |
18-Jul-06 |
490 |
1480 |
202 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=451 -
6-Oct-06 |
137 |
403 |
194 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=577 - IndiaBulls |
13-Nov-06 |
142 |
414 |
192 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=173 - Amarraja Batteries |
15-Aug-06 |
66.4 |
183 |
176 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=593 - Infoedge |
19-Oct-06 |
320 |
872 |
173 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=696 - GBN |
9-Jan-07 |
50 |
133 |
166 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=151&PID=638#638 - Jain Irrigation |
13-Aug-06 |
249 |
592 |
138 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=322 - L&T |
6-Sep-06 |
1278 |
3024 |
137 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=102 - Crisil |
2-Aug-06 |
1550 |
3150 |
103 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=221 - Bharti Airtel |
24-Aug-06 |
407 |
826 |
103 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=502 - Geodesic |
17-Oct-06 |
90 |
180 |
100 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=217 - Kotak Bank |
27-Sep-06 |
314 |
622 |
98 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37 -
23-Jul-06 |
186 |
365 |
96 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=135 -
26-Jul-06 |
225 |
439 |
95 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29 - TV 18 |
20-Jul-06 |
203 |
395 |
95 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=591 -
17Nov06 |
78 |
150 |
92 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=117 -
5Aug-06 |
1245 |
2374 |
91 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=277 -
20-Jul-06 |
697 |
1325 |
90 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=561&PN=1 -
1-Sep-06 |
89 |
168 |
89 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=535 - Opto Circuits |
26-Oct-06 |
184 |
326 |
77 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1228 - Centurion BOP |
1-Sep-06 |
25.5 |
43 |
69 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=305 - Aditya Birla Nuvo |
10-Sep-06 |
836 |
1400 |
67 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=242 - Havells |
30-Aug-06 |
285 |
470 |
65 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=277 - ICICI Bank |
20-Jul-06 |
467 |
769 |
65 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=362 - Bharti Shipyard |
17-Sep-06 |
337 |
543 |
61 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=709 - Zee News |
23-Jan-07 |
32 |
51 |
59 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=128 - Tata Investments |
8-Aug-06 |
337 |
491 |
46 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=682 - Adlabs |
2-Jan-07 |
430 |
613 |
43 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?FID=30&TID=231&PN=1 - Nitco Tiles |
28-Aug-06 |
169 |
240 |
42 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=133 - Morgan Stanley |
19-Aug-06 |
34.7 |
49 |
41 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=309 -
18-Aug-06 |
749 |
1048 |
40 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=243 - Kohinoor Foods |
30-Aug-06 |
78 |
108 |
38 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=409&PN=1 - Sun Pharmaceuticals |
25-Sep-06 |
930 |
1214 |
31 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=224 - Financial Technologies |
26-Aug-06 |
1252 |
1580 |
26 |
Reliance Capital |
3-Jun-07 |
972 |
1219 |
25 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=249 - Indraprastha Gas |
1-Sep-06 |
117 |
130 |
11 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1366 - Tata Tea |
15-Nov-07 |
750 |
825 |
10 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=233 - Suzlon Energy |
28-Aug-06 |
242 |
264 |
9 |
Monsanto |
21-Sep-06 |
1488 |
1608 |
8 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1664 - Marico |
15-Mar-08 |
63 |
67 |
6 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1296 -
21-Oct07 |
735 |
764 |
4 |
Nestle |
31-Mar-08 |
1490 |
1490 |
0 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=126 - Indian Hotels |
7-Aug-06 |
116 |
111 |
-4 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1235 - J & K Bank |
23-Sep-07 |
710 |
678 |
-5 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1462 - Dabur |
18-Dec-07 |
116 |
109 |
-6 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=270&PN=1 - Network18 |
20-Jul-06 |
238 |
218 |
-8 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=376 - Shanti Gears |
20-Sep-06 |
64 |
57 |
-11 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27 - Infosys |
19-Jul-06 |
1612 |
1432 |
-11 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1599 - SKF India |
16-Feb-08 |
358 |
300 |
-16 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=216&PID=1145#1145 - Maharashtra Seamless |
22-Aug-06 |
365 |
305 |
-16 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1561 -
28-Jan-08 |
220 |
179 |
-19 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=122 - Rayban Sun Optics |
6-Aug-06 |
87 |
69 |
-21 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1592 - Sintex |
15-Feb-08 |
448 |
355 |
-21 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100 - Inox Leisure |
2-Aug-06 |
125 |
99 |
-21 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1122 - Champagne Indage |
7-Aug-07 |
690 |
530 |
-23 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=441 - PVR |
1-Oct-06 |
255 |
188 |
-26 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=103 - Trent |
2-Aug-06 |
715 |
526 |
-26 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1194 - Max India |
5-Sep-07 |
202 |
146 |
-28 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=181 - Zicom ELectronics |
16-Aug-06 |
185 |
131 |
-29 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=131 - Lloyd Electric |
9-Aug-06 |
138 |
96 |
-30 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=701 - Moser Baer |
15-Jan-07 |
220 |
152 |
-31 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1396 - India Infoline |
25-Nov-07 |
1119 |
770 |
-31 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1308 - ICRA |
25-Oct-07 |
960 |
660 |
-31 |
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15-Nov-07 |
1400 |
810 |
-42 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1078 - LMW! |
14-Jul-07 |
2930 |
1600 |
-45 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=694 - Nucleus Software |
8-Jan-07 |
351 |
190 |
-46 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=263 - Vimta Laboratories |
3-Sep-06 |
159 |
79 |
-50 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=260 - Prithvi Information |
2-Sep-06 |
327 |
162 |
-50 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=856 - - TV |
18Apr07 |
103 |
50 |
-51 |
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=748 - WWIL |
8-Feb-07 |
120 |
35 |
-71 |
# Stocks in maroon (pun unintended) are from http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=429 - The Equity Desk XI.
Regards,
Basant
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Replies:
Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 31/Mar/2008 at 10:19am
I think we should remove Moser Baer and Network 18 from Emerging Midcap section.
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 31/Mar/2008 at 10:22am
I have a question on the methodology of this computation.
I think the way we are choosing dates is wrong for computation. One may have a stock on his watchlist for a long time but the returns shall be computed when the stock actually is bought.
The results will get materially different in case such a methodology is adopted. the returns may actually be higher as I remember 2 companies , educomp Solutions and Aditya Birla Nuvo did very well when they were there and have been subsequently replaced. But their contribution shall always be reckoned when we take into account actual returns.
Similarly, I think IDFC's entry price shall be taken as when it made to TED XI and not when it started getting discussed. Same goes for Yes, Titan, Voltas and many others. I am at a total loss to understand that how come Voltas start with 19 p.c. loss when it started just yesterday or day before. If I am a buyer into TED XI, I am not sitting on a 19 p.c. loss, for sure.Similarly I did not make a gain when Blue Star entered TED XI. This recommended price is also not right.
However, I stick to my earlier observation. This churn rate is way too high for any long term portfolio.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 31/Mar/2008 at 10:30am
Vivek: This is not TED XI but stocks that are in the broad category. TED XI returns will be different as you have rightly suggested.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 31/Mar/2008 at 10:31am
Originally posted by deveshkayal
I think we should remove Moser Baer and Network 18 from Emerging Midcap section. |
Even I had similar views but was a bit hesistant to suggest that. 
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 31/Mar/2008 at 10:33am
okay.....got the point. this is Broad report card.
Sorry for the views.
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Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 31/Mar/2008 at 10:48am
aate aate mere stock ka naam rehgaya
unke hoton pe kuch kaapta rehgaya.....
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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 12:01pm
TheEquityDesk XI has returned 17% (absolute) since inception (1st Jan 2007) as against the Sensex returns of 13% (absolute).
Unable to get MF comparison this time - ValueResearchOnline does not give the MF performance data from 1st Jan 2007.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 12:18pm
So inspite of some really tough stocks like DIsh and excessive reliance on financials (suffering from temporary blip) we still managed to beat the index!
Good that you cannot get MF compables! 
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Posted By: vasantcool
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 12:56pm
Good to be in teens. Most of MFs have not been able to.
It is going to be another difficult year, may be worse than the last quarter. As long as we all understand this and keep some cash and prayers in spare.
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 3:11pm
Yes, i think they emerged and since then, gone underground !! 
Originally posted by deveshkayal
I think we should remove Moser Baer and Network 18 from Emerging Midcap section. |
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Posted By: gyansr
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 5:23pm
Originally posted by smartcat
TheEquityDesk XI has returned 17% (absolute) since inception (1st Jan 2007) as against the Sensex returns of 13% (absolute).
Unable to get MF comparison this time - ValueResearchOnline does not give the MF performance data from 1st Jan 2007. |
With 17% we would be closer to average return from diversified MFs. Good funds (esp. Infrastructure ones) have performed far better(more than 25% return from 1st jan 2007)
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 7:32pm
Originally posted by smartcat
TheEquityDesk XI has returned 17% (absolute) since inception (1st Jan 2007) as against the Sensex returns of 13% (absolute).
Unable to get MF comparison this time - ValueResearchOnline does not give the MF performance data from 1st Jan 2007. |
Sensex is not a benchmark to be compared with. How many of the Ed XI stocks form the part of Sensex? The last quarter has bought sensex much more closer( in terms of performance).
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Posted By: dibyendu
Date Posted: 02/Apr/2008 at 12:39pm
Why the list does not contain stocks from the Power sector? Any specific reason for that? (Probabaly as a new memeber, I hv missed a few points in the forum)
I would also like to have your view on 'Apar Industries'. I find the stock quite interesting.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Apr/2008 at 12:52pm
Generally power is more hype then hope at these valuations. No one makes money buying power stocks at 15-20 times forward.
It is better to buy the suppliers rather then the generating companies.
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Posted By: dibyendu
Date Posted: 03/Apr/2008 at 3:35pm
Would u please explain what are 'suppliers'? Are they finance companies, or raw material or engeneering companies setting up power plants or capital good companies (like L&T, BHEL) supplying turbines, or companies supplying Transformers, cables etc to Electricyty boards, Transcos etc.
In case its fincance , then do u thik, Power finance, Rural Elec. Corp fit the bill.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 03/Apr/2008 at 3:49pm
engeneering companies ,capital good companies companies supplying Transformers, cables etc to Electricyty boards.
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Posted By: BGKGURU
Date Posted: 03/Apr/2008 at 4:19pm
i would like to add ptc in ted xi
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Posted By: catcall
Date Posted: 03/Apr/2008 at 10:17pm
Originally posted by basant
Generally power is more hype then hope at these valuations.It is better to buy the suppliers rather then the generating companies. |
I would second that thought...
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Posted By: jaifin
Date Posted: 03/Apr/2008 at 11:50pm
What about GODREJ INDUSTRIES? THEY GOT STABLE RATING FROM ICRA.THEY HAVE HOLDING IN GODREJ PROPERTIES.
PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO DEVELOP PRIME PROPERTIES OF GROUP COMPANIES.
IN THE INTERVIEW WITH ADI GODREJ HE SAID THAT FUTURE CASH GENERATOR WILL BE GODREJ PROPERTIES.
THEY HAVE BIG PLANS IN PROPERTIES. I THINK THEY ARE DELAYING THE IPO OF PROPERTIES BECAUSE OF MARKET TURMOIL. I THINK THEY WILL VALUATE PROPERTIES AROUND 400 BILLION WHICH TRANSLATES GODREJ INDUSTRIES PRICE AROUND RS. 1000
BUY THIS BULTIBAGGER
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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 03/Apr/2008 at 4:54am
Jaifin bhai, if you write about Godrej industries on separate thread and in small letters, I might buy this mulltibagger
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Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 27/Apr/2008 at 12:03pm
Originally posted by basant
engeneering companies ,capital good companies companies supplying Transformers, cables etc to Electricyty boards. |
I find almost all transformer companies whether its Voltamp,Indotech,Emco or even newly listed Transformers n Rectifiers have been badly underperforming the market for last 2 months .The results are expected to be good n future prospects bright.Cud it be the case of taking advantage from market inefficiency n buying them?
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Posted By: kanagala
Date Posted: 22/May/2008 at 9:48pm
Sir, Is it possible to add few more stocks to TED or some other list of few stocks. Ideally i would like to read each and every thread here. But i am finding it difficult to follow everything. I would like restrict my self to TED 11 and few more stocks.
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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 22/May/2008 at 11:23pm
If you want a shorter list, stick to stocks in the first page or two pages of http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=30&PN=1 - Emerging Companies sub-forum.
Nobody talks much about 'Shanthi Gears' or 'Lloyd Electric' anymore - and such threads will rot at the end of 'emerging companies' section. So you can ignore those.
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Posted By: Invest_in_India
Date Posted: 25/May/2008 at 10:53pm
Hello All,
I have prepared a report card for TED XI for the period from 1st April 2008 till 23rd May 2008.
Good to see that TED XI has outperformed Sensex by 2.9%. Please note that I have taken equal weightages for each of the stock in TED XI.
TED XI |
Price at 1st April |
CMP |
% change |
Pantaloon |
439 |
485.90 |
10.68 |
HDFC |
2374 |
2678.30 |
12.82 |
Axis Bank |
764 |
799.85 |
4.69 |
Voltas |
179 |
158.30 |
-11.56 |
DIsh TV |
50 |
53.75 |
7.50 |
Titan |
1048 |
1200.70 |
14.57 |
IDFC |
150 |
156.05 |
4.03 |
HDFC Bank |
1325 |
1383.35 |
4.40 |
ENIL |
365 |
435.00 |
19.18 |
YES Bank |
168 |
160.10 |
-4.70 |
Blue Star |
403 |
442.00 |
9.68 |
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Total |
7265 |
7953.3 |
9.47 |
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Sensex |
15626.62 |
16649.64 |
6.55 |
------------- Cheers,
Raj
"Que sera, sera,
Whatever will be, will be;
The future's not ours to see.
Que sera, sera,
What will be, will be.
Que Sera, Sera!"
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 25/May/2008 at 11:28pm
Nice initiative Raj jee. Keep it up.
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Posted By: Invest_in_India
Date Posted: 26/May/2008 at 4:47pm
Originally posted by omshivaya
Nice initiative Raj jee. Keep it up. |
Thank you Om jee for acknowledging it!!!
After today's fall, its good that I have prepared it yesterday 
------------- Cheers,
Raj
"Que sera, sera,
Whatever will be, will be;
The future's not ours to see.
Que sera, sera,
What will be, will be.
Que Sera, Sera!"
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Posted By: Invest_in_India
Date Posted: 26/May/2008 at 12:28pm
Dear All,
If someone want to build his portfolio with only TED XI stocks. How much one should allocate(in terms of %) for each of TED XI stock?
Senior TEDies please provide your valuable feedback.
------------- Cheers,
Raj
"Que sera, sera,
Whatever will be, will be;
The future's not ours to see.
Que sera, sera,
What will be, will be.
Que Sera, Sera!"
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/May/2008 at 12:45pm
That is dependent on individual preferences I could put upto 40 in one stock so that comes with a bias.
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Posted By: Invest_in_India
Date Posted: 26/May/2008 at 12:50pm
Originally posted by basant
That is dependent on individual preferences I could put upto 40 in one stock so that comes with a bias. |
Agree...
But assume you are a fund manager running a fund comprising of TED XI what will be those percentages according to you ? 
------------- Cheers,
Raj
"Que sera, sera,
Whatever will be, will be;
The future's not ours to see.
Que sera, sera,
What will be, will be.
Que Sera, Sera!"
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/May/2008 at 12:58pm
Can you indicate my salary, performance boots, perks etc and yes, I would not be trading in the last week of December since that is the time fund managers go for holidays - at least that is what the media says.
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Posted By: Invest_in_India
Date Posted: 27/May/2008 at 7:21pm
Originally posted by basant
Can you indicate my salary, performance boots, perks etc and yes, I would not be trading in the last week of December since that is the time fund managers go for holidays - at least that is what the media says. |
See now you started talking like a fund manager .
I am too small & naive therefore cant comment on those. Infact you tell what are your expectations . who knows someone from big investment/asset management firm is following TED ...
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Posted By: romanov
Date Posted: 18/Jun/2008 at 1:10am
Out of the TED XI stocks which sectorial stock is going to outperform?I am finding it hard to find buyable stocks at right valuation...?
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Posted By: Invest_in_India
Date Posted: 30/Jun/2008 at 12:48pm
TED XI |
Price on 1st April |
Price on 30th June |
% Change |
ENIL |
365 |
362.00 |
-0.82 |
Titan |
1048 |
992.35 |
-5.31 |
Blue Star |
403 |
374.55 |
-7.06 |
HDFC |
2374 |
1964.85 |
-17.23 |
Pantaloon |
439 |
351.15 |
-20.01 |
Axis Bank |
764 |
605.05 |
-20.80 |
HDFC Bank |
1325 |
1007.40 |
-23.97 |
Voltas |
179 |
123.75 |
-30.87 |
IDFC |
150 |
103.55 |
-30.97 |
YES Bank |
168 |
114.70 |
-31.73 |
Dish TV |
50 |
30.05 |
-39.90 |
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Sensex |
15626.62 |
13461.4 |
-13.86 |
Only 3 stocks(ENIL, Titan & Blue Star) from TED XI has outperformed Sensex in this quater. Voltas, IDFC, Yes Bank and DishTV are worst performers in this quarter.
------------- Cheers,
Raj
"Que sera, sera,
Whatever will be, will be;
The future's not ours to see.
Que sera, sera,
What will be, will be.
Que Sera, Sera!"
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Posted By: avinashpai
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2008 at 11:09pm
Very interesting! Just one observation/ question though. Since most of the TED XII stocks happen to be mid caps, shouldn't the benchmark be the midcap index?
That may indicate more outperformance.
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2008 at 10:45am
I think we should have RIL in TED XI.
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Posted By: vijayM
Date Posted: 02/Jul/2008 at 10:57pm
PERFORMANCE OF TEDXI FROM 01-04-2008 TO 02-07-2008
S NO |
COMPANY |
CMP(NOW) |
CMP 1/4/08 |
% |
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SENSEX |
13,665 |
15,627 |
-12.6 |
1 |
DISH TV |
29 |
50 |
-42.2 |
2 |
ENIL |
369 |
371 |
-0.5 |
3 |
TITAN |
1045 |
1072 |
-2.5 |
4 |
VOLTAS |
123 |
173 |
-29.0 |
5 |
PANT RETAIL |
362 |
436 |
-17.0 |
6 |
YES BANK |
111 |
164 |
-32.1 |
7 |
BLUE STAR |
348 |
405 |
-14.1 |
8 |
HDFC BANK |
1028 |
1308 |
-21.4 |
9 |
IDFC |
108 |
146 |
-26.0 |
10 |
AXIS BANK |
634 |
721 |
-12.1 |
11 |
HDFC |
2037 |
2360 |
-13.7 |
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AVG |
-19.2 |
ENIL, TITAN & AXIS BANK HAVE OUTPERFORMED SENSEX. DISH, YES & IDFC WERE THE WORST PERFORMERS. Overall, TEDXI (-19.2%) has underperformed Sensex(-12.6%).
My portfolio down by 26.6% . over same period. (L&T having 40% weight in my portfolio.)
vijayM
Another case:
From 26 feb 2008 till 1 July 2008*, performance of 5 MFs are as follows:
S NO. |
FUND NAME |
NAV |
NAV(now) |
% |
1 |
RELIANCE GROWTH FUND |
388.6 |
291.4 |
-25.0 |
2 |
Kotak opportunities |
45.9 |
30.9 |
-32.7 |
3 |
DSPML TIGER |
50.3 |
32.0 |
-36.3 |
4 |
MAGNUM CONTRA FUND |
53.1 |
37.1 |
-30.1 |
5 |
SUNDRAM BNP SEL MIDCAP |
120.2 |
84.6 |
-29.7 |
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TOTAL |
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-30.8 |
*Sensex over same period has dropped by 30% implying almost same performance by MFs as Sensex.
vijayM
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