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Can JM CORE 11 FUND outperform TED XI ?

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Topic: Can JM CORE 11 FUND outperform TED XI ?
Posted By: pramodjain
Subject: Can JM CORE 11 FUND outperform TED XI ?
Date Posted: 06/Feb/2008 at 9:18pm
JM Core 11 Investment Trategy
1. The fund will have no market capitalization or sector restrictions.
2. The fund will have a portfolio of exactly 11 stocks.
3. All the 11 stocks will be 9.09% of the portfolio at the time of purchase.
4. The fund will also have strict monitoring criteria, where it will seek to replace certain stocks out of the portfolio every six months so as to prevent stagnancy coming into the fund portfolio.
5. The stocks selection process in the fund may be based on the collowing criteria. - 3year earning growth 25% CAGR. 3 year forward proce to earning ratio 5-7X  - P/E expansion 10% per annum . Return otential of 100% over the 3year period.
 
Portfolio churn discipline
1.  If a stock has acheieved a return of 100% before the completion of a 12 months period then its placeinthe portfolio may be reviewed. The stock may be held on if the fund manager s of the view that the stock will deliver a 33% CAGR return to  the remaining tenure of the fund.
2. Any stock that achieves a return of the 50% with in a period of less than three months may be reviewed and may be held only if the fund manager believes that the 33% CAGR return potential still remains agter the cooling off period.
3. Any stock that achieves a return of 100% within a period ofless than 6 months may similarly be sold out and left for a cooling period of 10 trading days.
4. Any stock that does not meet at least 50% of targeted return s within 6 months of purchase may be sold out and left for a cooling off period of 5 trading days.
5. Hower, discretionof the fund manager on the above or nay changes there to, will be finial.


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Posted By: kaushalchawla
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2008 at 10:10pm
I dont see any noises/voices on this concentrated stocks fund managed by Sandip Sabharwal.
1. What could be the reason??
2. Any suggestion to invest / not to invest in it?
3. Or is it close ended, hence not much money for distributers and therefore no recommendations for it?


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Warm Regards,
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Posted By: pramodjain
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2008 at 11:04pm
it is a closed ended fund and now the NFO closed. but we can see what the fund manager is doing .

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Posted By: Sharad
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2008 at 11:16pm

I think it's not yet closed . It is open till 15th . The fund will anyways release it's portfolio after sometime , we can have a look at what stocks it's holding and pick some stocks which we think are compelling buys .



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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2008 at 10:16am

Return potential of 100% over the 3 year period

Sandip Sabharwal has the potential to achieve this in 1 year itself. I liked his strategy of betting on under-reasearched company with concentration in the portfolio. Timing of the fund is perfect !


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Posted By: Mohan
Date Posted: 09/Feb/2008 at 3:30am
Originally posted by pramodjain

it is a closed ended fund and now the NFO closed. but we can see what the fund manager is doing .



if its closed ended, will it be listed ?



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Be fearful when others are greedy and be greedy when others are fearful.


Posted By: Sharad
Date Posted: 09/Feb/2008 at 6:44am
Listed? You mean will they disclose the shares they hold .

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Posted By: pramodjain
Date Posted: 13/Feb/2008 at 2:50pm
No this fund will not list on exchanges. Company will provide liquidity after every six month.

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Posted By: master
Date Posted: 23/Aug/2008 at 7:43pm
JM Core 11 fund's current NAV is Rs 7.02, so return since launch is -29.78%. I was looking for its latest p-folio, but couldn't find. 
 
Even as a close-ended funded it should disclose it at least at quarterly rests. Any updates anyone.. 


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Posted By: rapidriser
Date Posted: 23/Aug/2008 at 11:10am
Originally posted by master

JM Core 11 fund's current NAV is Rs 7.02, so return since launch is -29.78%. I was looking for its latest p-folio, but couldn't find. 
 
Even as a close-ended funded it should disclose it at least at quarterly rests. Any updates anyone.. 
 
JM Core 11 Fund - Series 1 - Growth
 
Portfolio as on Mar 31, 2008
EQUITY*
Company Name Instrument No. of Shares Market Value (Rs. in crores) % of Net Assets
Voltas Ltd Equity 3152108  56.63  9.87
Mahindra & Mahindra Ltd Equity 766445  53.43  9.31
Praj Industries Ltd Equity 3675356  50.06  8.72
Infrastructure Development Finance company Equity 3314000  50.04  8.72
Country Club (India) Ltd Equity 761426  46.51  8.11
Rajesh Exports Ltd Equity 5935965  46.03  8.02
Gitanjali Gems Ltd. Equity 2034165  44.94  7.83
Hindustan Construction Company Ltd Equity 3317094  43.92  7.65
Bajaj Hindustan Ltd Equity 2242215  42.25  7.36
Punj Lloyd Ltd. Equity 1322808  41.11  7.17
Diamond Power Infrastructure Ltd Equity 927100  31.26  5.45


Posted By: master
Date Posted: 24/Aug/2008 at 10:34pm
March p-folio is available for last 4 months. I wanted to see the latest, or at least the june-end churning. In particular, interested to see if sabharwal still has same amount of conviction on Diamond power & HCC.

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Posted By: jain208
Date Posted: 21/Oct/2008 at 7:53pm

JM Core 11's latest NAV is 3.65.

Can have a look at it's performance http://www.valueresearchonline.com/funds/fundperformance.asp?schemecode=6673 - here

Abhishek.

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Posted By: jain208
Date Posted: 21/Oct/2008 at 8:05pm

Incidentally, the top 3 equity diversified mutual funds that have fallen most from their highs are too from JM Stable. They are JM Basic, JM Small & Mid-Cap Reg and JM Emerging Leaders falling more than 70% each.


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Posted By: Mr. V
Date Posted: 21/Oct/2008 at 10:54pm
WOW... JM Funds have got butchered.

Are they firing Sandeep Sabharwal ?


Posted By: master
Date Posted: 06/Dec/2008 at 8:29pm

Take a look at the latest portfolio of the Fund's 11 as on Nov 30, 2008

 

Sintex Industries

Punj Lloyd
Praj Industries

http://www.valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=2982 - Gitanjali Gems

http://www.valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=16547 - Diamond Power Infrastructure

http://www.valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=954 - Reliance Infrastructure

Hindustan Construction Co

Bombay Rayon Fashions
IVRCL Infra. & Project

Country Club (I)

Voltas
 

Launched in Feb 2008

Net Assets : Rs 206 crore

Latest NAV : Rs 2.63

 

So, Sabharwal continues with his aggressive picks in spite of dud returns.

http://www.valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=4414 -  



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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 06/Dec/2008 at 8:50pm
Cut & paste from valueresearchonline.com (link provided by AJ above)


 Top Holdings  As on 30/11/08 
    Name of Holding  Instrument  % Net Assets

  Others   Cash 10.43

  http://www.valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=3680 - Sintex Industries    Equity 10.34

  Punj Lloyd   Equity Derivatives 8.34

  http://www.valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=2982 - Praj Industries    Equity 8.13

  http://www.valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=16547 - Gitanjali Gems    Equity 7.52

  http://www.valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=954 - Diamond Power Infrastructure    Equity 6.87

  http://www.valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=403 - Reliance Infrastructure    Equity 6.51

  http://www.valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=1559 - Hindustan Construction Co.    Equity 5.91

  http://www.valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=16384 - Bombay Rayon Fashions    Equity 5.83

  I V R C L Infra. & Projects   Equity Derivatives 5.00

  http://www.valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=820 - Country Club (I)    Equity 5.00

  http://www.valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=4414 - Voltas    Equity 4.55

  Voltas   Equity Derivatives 3.88

  Reliance Infrastructure   Equity Derivatives 3.06

  http://www.valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=1647 - I V R C L Infra. & Projects    Equity 3.01

  Bombay Rayon Fashions   Equity Derivatives 2.28

  Hindustan Construction Co.   Equity Derivatives 2.26

  Others   CBLO 0.64

  Gitanjali Gems   Equity Derivatives 0.44
       Indicates an increase or decrease or no change in holding since last portfolio
      Indicates a new holding since last portfolio

Please explain this derivative business? I read that a lot of equity mutual funds have now started hedging, if that's the right word. After the horse has left the stable?




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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 06/Dec/2008 at 9:27pm
the way the portfolio has been butchered, it gives a sense that this fund has been a 'target'......
 
Hitesh, do you want to sat that this fund has became a long-short fund.
 
Just goes onto show, no one is above market....the same market which can give an iconic status to an individual, can also make that individual kneel down before itself with folded hands. Long Live Mr. Market!!!!


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Jai Guru!!!


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 06/Dec/2008 at 9:41pm
Originally posted by Vivek Sukhani

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Hitesh, do you want to sat that this fund has became a long-short fund.
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What I meant was that hedging facility has been available to MFs for more than a year, at least.

If MFs have started hedging only recently, then isn't it a little too late?

Investors in MFs have no option but to quit with emptied pockets or hang on chanting "AUM", "AUM" (assets or asses under management Wink) in the hope of good fortune.


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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 07/Dec/2008 at 11:51am
Has Sabharwal seen a bear market before this?


Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 08/Dec/2008 at 12:15pm

the most important question....will he be allowed to see the next bull market.......



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Posted By: furkanalam
Date Posted: 08/Dec/2008 at 3:37pm
Anyone having any research reports on Country Club?


Posted By: hallmark
Date Posted: 08/Dec/2008 at 3:41pm
the promoter has a problem with his thumb..............if you see the advertizements playing out in the channels.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2008 at 1:38pm
Sabhrawal has seen the 2k tech bubble but seems that he went overboard on this one. When you are managing your own money you can do anything but with other people's money one needs to excercise caution. I saw him on NDTV a few days back and he was talking of a "V" shaped recovery. Not sure how much he meant it and how much he was playing to the galleries (investors of his fund).


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2008 at 1:47pm
Originally posted by basant

I saw him on NDTV a few days back and he was talking of a "V" shaped recovery.


Maybe he was refering to V-shaped recovery of his salary & bonus.

As far as performance is considered, all the fund managers have scored a duck.....
If you're a duck on a pond, and it's rising due to a downpour, you start going up in the world. But you think it's you, not the pond

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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2008 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by basant

Sabhrawal has seen the 2k tech bubble but seems that he went overboard on this one. When you are managing your own money you can do anything but with other people's money one needs to excercise caution. I saw him on NDTV a few days back and he was talking of a "V" shaped recovery. Not sure how much he meant it and how much he was playing to the galleries (investors of his fund).
 
He seems to be wearing sunglasses even while he is sleeping.......
 
 


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Jai Guru!!!


Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2008 at 3:09pm
hey what's wrong with that? Cool


Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2008 at 7:48pm
Originally posted by smartcat

hey what's wrong with that? Cool
 
The thing is that, the green taint makes them see red objects as green and when they wear red taint, they start seeing green objects as red.....
 
I believe, if you cannot see an opportunity in a challenge and the challenges in case of opportunities, you cannot be a good fund manager for a long term.
 
The best part i like about Mr. Market is that rewards exemplary out-of-box thinking and it punishes those people who take things for granted......


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Jai Guru!!!


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2008 at 8:47pm
If I remember my iskool physics, green through red appears black and so does red through green. Don't have anyway of verifying it though Wink. On my trading screen, the colors are blue (for up) and red (for down).

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Posted By: stockaddict
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2008 at 11:36pm
Originally posted by furkanalam

Anyone having any research reports on Country Club?
 
Sharekhan  and a couple of others had a buy report  on this one 6 months back@ 600 (pre split) now trading at 18 (after 1:5 split)


Posted By: hallmark
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2008 at 8:05am
Originally posted by stockaddict

Originally posted by furkanalam

Anyone having any research reports on Country Club?
 
Sharekhan  and a couple of others had a buy report  on this one 6 months back@ 600 (pre split) now trading at 18 (after 1:5 split)
the promoter is giving the thumbs-up..................
or is it for his personal profit?


Posted By: furkanalam
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2008 at 11:28am
Originally posted by hallmark

Originally posted by stockaddict

Originally posted by furkanalam

Anyone having any research reports on Country Club?
 
Sharekhan  and a couple of others had a buy report  on this one 6 months back@ 600 (pre split) now trading at 18 (after 1:5 split)
the promoter is giving the thumbs-up..................
or is it for his personal profit?
 
I keep hearing abt Country Club....thats why thought to ask if someone out here is tracking this company...and what are the future prospects of this company...currently it is at a very low valuation.....
 
If someone has any information please share....


Posted By: kanagala
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2008 at 11:36am
It is very difficult to understand difference between Apples and Oranges during the bull market.  I was seriously thinking about investing in lot of these companies in those times. Most of the stocks i was tracking fell more than 80%. It is pretty clear that my investment knowledge is very bad.
Only use of bear market i can think of, ability to see Apples and Oranges.


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 11/Dec/2008 at 3:12pm
the Kounty Klub promoter is giving the thumbs-up..................
or is it for his personal profit?


According to some insiders, who did not wish to be named, another unreleased version of that commercial advertisement shows the promoter raising his middle finger
instead of thumb. These, which may please be noted, are unconfirmed rumours.


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Posted By: pramodjain
Date Posted: 11/Dec/2008 at 6:44pm
This fund a taken a good position in Sintex ind. which is a good company . Is there is specific +ve in current economic envirnment ???

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Posted By: kanagala
Date Posted: 11/Dec/2008 at 8:51pm
Originally posted by pramodjain

This fund a taken a good position in Sintex ind. which is a good company . Is there is specific +ve in current economic envirnment ???

I guess, it is a play on low cost housing. Every brokerage covers Sintex now. As RBI giving lot of incentives for low housing loans, low cost housing might be the next theme. Any one familiar with this company?


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Posted By: stockaddict
Date Posted: 11/Dec/2008 at 10:12pm
Originally posted by furkanalam

Originally posted by hallmark

Originally posted by stockaddict

Originally posted by furkanalam

Anyone having any research reports on Country Club?
 
Sharekhan  and a couple of others had a buy report  on this one 6 months back@ 600 (pre split) now trading at 18 (after 1:5 split)
the promoter is giving the thumbs-up..................
or is it for his personal profit?
 
I keep hearing abt Country Club....thats why thought to ask if someone out here is tracking this company...and what are the future prospects of this company...currently it is at a very low valuation.....
 
If someone has any information please share....
 
Well country club (and clubMahindra )is a  time share company. They are as good as highway robbers for consumers. Once you signup and pay you are stuck with them for years. So company may be making good money but certainly its a nightmare  for clients  as they hardly get booking. These companies  devote all their energies to entice new members so that money keeps coming  in. Try some consumer website like moutshut.com for review on timeshare memberships. 


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 11/Dec/2008 at 10:18pm
Are you sure Club Mahindra is like that? That would reflect badly on M&M (in a moral sense).

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Posted By: stockaddict
Date Posted: 12/Dec/2008 at 11:29pm
Originally posted by Hitesh Shah

Are you sure Club Mahindra is like that? That would reflect badly on M&M (in a moral sense).
 
I was surprised too but it's true. They use the M&M name to gain credibility. Go to one of their presentations to realise how much they promise and as far as benefits just google :club mahindra complaints review and check out for yourself the horror stories.
 
Time share may be a good concept but  it is overpromised and underdelivered in India. The kind of audience they are targetting is also wrong so it creates bad taste when the customer realises the mistake later.


Posted By: pramodjain
Date Posted: 04/Feb/2009 at 4:47pm
  Name of Holding  Instrument  % Net Assets
  http://valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=3680 - Sintex Industries    Equity 9.19
  http://valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=2982 - Praj Industries    Equity 8.26
  Punj Lloyd   Futures 8.23
  http://valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=16547 - Gitanjali Gems    Equity 8.16
  http://valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=1559 - Hindustan Construction    Equity 8.15
  http://valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=954 - Diamond Power Infra    Equity 7.59
  http://valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=403 - Reliance Infrastructure    Equity 6.89
  Others   Cash 6.51
  http://valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=4414 - Voltas    Equity 5.06
  IVRCL Infra. & Projects   Futures 4.84
  Voltas   Futures 4.32
  http://valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=16384 - Bombay Rayon Fashions    Equity 3.91
  Others   CBLO 3.78
  Reliance Infrastructure   Futures 3.23
  http://valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=820 - Country Club (I)    Equity 3.15
  Hindustan Construction   Futures 3.10
  http://valueresearchonline.com/stocks/snapshot.asp?code=1647 - IVRCL Infra. & Projects    Equity 2.96
  Bombay Rayon Fashions   Futures 2.24
  Gitanjali Gems   Futures 0.43


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Posted By: Circuit
Date Posted: 18/Feb/2009 at 6:40am
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1232195 - More fundmen are heading for the exit door
 
 

 



Posted By: Mr. V
Date Posted: 18/Feb/2009 at 6:53am
The silver lining is that Sabharwal experienced the roller coaster ride of SBI Magnum 77 to JM 70, all before turning 35.


Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 18/Feb/2009 at 9:24am
Originally posted by Circuit

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1232195 - More fundmen are heading for the exit door http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1232195 -


In this fund management business, a thumb rule applies...
कल का हीरो आज का झीरो


Having said that, MF managers are in a win-win situation. They get bonuses (both sides....exit & joining)....but investors who followed their moves have to face capital erosion.



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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 18/Feb/2009 at 9:24am
Originally posted by Mr. V

The silver lining is that Sabharwal experienced the roller coaster ride of SBI Magnum 77 to JM 70, all before turning 35.


And got paid handsomely.


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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 18/Feb/2009 at 11:30am
Lucky b*****ds. Smile
 
And to think....that most of the profits made by most fund manager is due to the bull market anyway.
 
That's why they say...being at the right place at the right time is imp.


Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 19/Feb/2009 at 8:09am
Originally posted by subu76

Lucky b*****ds.


I object, My Lord.

Lucky is okay...but the other word is very.....mild.






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Posted By: Merrill Lynch
Date Posted: 11/Apr/2009 at 9:59pm
http://sandipsabharwal.blogspot.com/ - From sandip sabharwal - BLOG

Some common Questions:
Markets are up 30% from the bottom what should an investor do plus more


These are some of the questions that I face every day. I believe that the answer to all of them is not very simple, however let me try to address them one by one in brief.

1. Industrial production growth is at 14 year lows and markets are rallying, what explains this?

Markets will typically bottom out before the economy bottoms. As such although we continue to see poor economic growth numbers the movement of the markets seems to indicate that the worst for the economy is now over and there should be a rapid revival over the next few quarters. If we go back in time markets started falling much before the Industrial Production data showed the slowdown in the economy.

2. Most experts said do not invest in the markets before the elections….

Yes there is uncertainty because of the political scenario in India, especially today when there is so much economic growth uncertainty. However in my view, although it is an important event the odds of the UPA or NDA in power are above 75-80%. Under the circumstances a severe correction of the kinds we saw in 2004 post election results should be unlikely and even if it occurs the bounce back might also be like 2004.

3. Most analysts who were giving bearish comments on business channels one month back are now giving positive statements -

I think it is high time that investors realize that the free expert opinion of business channels is of very limited value. Most analysts are trend followers and give comments which support the trend. The right strategy over the 15 month period ended March 2009 was to sell on every rise of the markets and that is what made money. Under the circumstances most analysts will keep on giving that kind of view well after the trends have changed.

4. More than 90% of Mutual Fund schemes have underperformed the markets and more than 75% by greater than 10%

Having being a MF Fund Manager for so many years this is the question that I most often face these days. The question of high cash holding or most of the money in fixed income products is something that not only retail and HNI investors face today but is also a problem with Mutual Fund Managers who are sitting on cash levels that are at multi year highs, insurance companies that have collected huge amounts of money in the current quarter and have to deploy it, hedge funds that have a cash pile of over USD 294 billion to be deployed and are record low net invested levels (The kind of redemptions these funds were expecting at the end of the first quarter also have not fructified and now they are in an unenvious position).

The question that lot of people are asking is that why could fund managers not see value at lower levels and deploy their cash. The answer to this is not very simple. I think most investors had become so pessimistic and paranoid that they just could not see value when it was at its maximum.

5. Technical chartists who were saying that markets can go to 7500 levels are now saying it can go to 13000-14000

Like I commented on Technical Analysis in a previous article, I had mentioned that it is a science which requires lot of empirical experience. As such one should take the views of a large number of inexperienced chartists with a pinch of salt. Most such chartists tend to be trend followers and have the inability to point out change in trends.

6. Most experts said that mid caps are dead and concentrate only on large caps, but mid caps are up as much as large caps

The issue of Mid caps was discussed by me in a previous article where I mentioned that this is a very good time to invest into high quality mid caps. Although I will discuss this issue in detail in one of my forthcoming articles all I will say at this stage is that there is lot of value in both mid and large caps today and as such restricting oneself to only a particular segment of the market can lead to suboptimal asset allocation for the futures.

7. I exited my positions when the markets went up 20% from the bottom, expecting a correction but the markets are up 10% from there also

A number of investors who were either able to catch the bottom of the markets or were invested in the markets exited their positions as the markets rallied 20%. These investors are now caught in a situation where they are unsure when to come back into the markets. For these investors my suggestion will be that now there seems to be a trend change in markets and wherever there is value investors should start building up positions slowly. The next few weeks are the one to accumulate for the long run.

8. I am still holding lot of cash. I have missed the rally, should I pump in the money now

This is true of not only you but most investors in the markets. So do not worry, no one can catch the bottom. Although the markets are up 30% from a Sensex levels of 8000 it is just around a 2000 point rally and incidentally 2000 points is just 10% if one looks from the top of the markets of around 21000 index. As such one should not be too much worried by the current move as it is just a correction of a grossly oversold market. Start investing slowly now and increase purchases as the markets correct.

9. Most global houses like UBS (UBS target of 13100 Sensex today), Morgan Stanley( MSCI Emerging Market Index to rally 33% from current levels) etc. are coming out with positive statements on Indian stocks and emerging market stocks now after the big rally, they were so negative a month back

Well, that’s how things are. We will see more global brokerages turning positive over the next six months. Most analysts will stick their necks out only after they are sure of a trend.

10. Sectors like technology, steel etc. which are supposed to be facing pricing and volume pressures have also done well and infact steel is one of the best performing sectors

As the markets rally after a big bottom formation, typically the most oversold sectors will do well. Technology has held on due to perceptions of a defensive sector and falling value of the rupee. Lot of commodity and capital good stocks had got battered badly and had huge short positions. The reversal of these positions has led to big gains. Key to performance of technology stocks from here on will be the guidance given by Infosys and the result of the Satyam sale both of which are out next week.

MY RESPONSE TO MORE SUCH QUESTIONS LATER :-)


Posted By: chimak10
Date Posted: 11/Apr/2009 at 10:06pm
hmm why would a fund manager start a blog............is he out of work or what?


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 11/Apr/2009 at 10:15pm
Originally posted by chimak10

hmm why would a fund manager start a blog............is he out of work or what?


Big%20smile

Then what about Amitabh, Preity, Amir ??? They're not jobless, or are they about to be???Wink





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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 11/Apr/2009 at 10:25pm
Originally posted by Merrill Lynch

http://sandipsabharwal.blogspot.com/ - From sandip sabharwal - BLOG

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Not a bad read.


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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 11/Apr/2009 at 10:49pm
Quite well articulated indeed......stock market guys are wonderfully good at writing..

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Posted By: Merrill Lynch
Date Posted: 11/Apr/2009 at 11:00pm
Originally posted by chimak10

hmm why would a fund manager start a blog............is he out of work or what?


Yes, he is out of job... but dunno if it is layoff or resignation or retirement Confused


Posted By: chimak10
Date Posted: 11/Apr/2009 at 11:11pm
Don't feel sad for him yaar.........he must have made helluva lot money

BTW that was a good find


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 11/Apr/2009 at 8:26am
This is a fantastic link. Please keep updating on his new articles.


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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 11/Apr/2009 at 8:50am
Originally posted by chimak10

Don't feel sad for him yaar.........he must have made helluva lot money

BTW that was a good find
 
Well, its not feeling sad about him, for surely as you said, he must have have made a lot of money. But then, he is quite candid about his mistakes, and that will go to his credit.
 
I think we all young people will be making errors at some point of time....nothing teaches better than mistakes done by self. And thats how we will become mature.
 
But if you think about it, managing funds for others is truly a herculean task. The criteria for selecting stocks for your personal portfolio and for the big fund is so very different......also, you have no control on the funds at the disposal. This makes it truly a challenging job......


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Posted By: kanagala
Date Posted: 11/Apr/2009 at 10:15am
I think, he is also just following/writing/suggesting the trend.Note that this is also a free expert opinion.


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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 12/Apr/2009 at 12:26pm
Originally posted by kanagala

I think, he is also just following/writing/suggesting the trend.Note that this is also a free expert opinion.

Big%20smile Big%20smile Big%20smile


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Posted By: master
Date Posted: 12/Apr/2009 at 10:35pm
Btw who is the fund manager for JM core 11 now?

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Posted By: chimak10
Date Posted: 12/Apr/2009 at 10:47pm
Asit Bhandarkar

Mr Bhandarkar is an Commerce graduate and MMS.
He has over 5 years of experience in equity research fund management . His last assignment was with Lotus AMC. Prior to this, for more than 2 yrs. he was with SBI Funds Management Pvt. Ltd. as junior fund manager.

what does "MMS" means


Posted By: master
Date Posted: 12/Apr/2009 at 10:53pm
At NAV of 2.51, this fund will really test him over the next 1 year.
 
Surprisingly, there is no shuffle in the picks - does that mean he carries the same conviction as his predecessor, or probably it's too early.


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Posted By: chimak10
Date Posted: 12/Apr/2009 at 10:58pm
well as per value research he joined in FEB -09......so u can say too early..........i have no clue


Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 13/Apr/2009 at 3:10pm
MMS means Master of Management Studies (equivalent of MBA in Maharashtra)

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Posted By: arunshah2k
Date Posted: 14/Apr/2009 at 1:24pm
I went through the blog of Sandip Sabharwal and very informative especially on midcaps.

In one of the posts, he indicates how he missed seeing the euphoria indicators of bull market in Jan 2008 and he accepted that mistake.

I wanted to add a point in that regard.

Today, the times are exactly opposite. If in the peak of bull market, taxi wallas jump to buy stocks, today it is the reverse.

Even my housemaid bai today commented that economy is bad and share bazaar bahut kharab jai. Aap usme paise mat dale!!

Time for me to get excited into the markets !!!


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 14/Apr/2009 at 1:38pm
Originally posted by arunshah2k

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Even my housemaid bai today commented that economy is bad and share bazaar bahut kharab jai. Aap usme paise mat dale!!

Time for me to get excited into the markets !!!


In a lighter vein, you should have had that talk with your housemaid a few weeks ago! Smile

Do you guys keep talking about such personal things with your maids as well??????Wink
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 14/Apr/2009 at 2:05pm
Do you guys keep talking about such personal things with your maids as well??????Wink

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Posted By: Circuit
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2009 at 12:12pm

Update from Sandeep's http://sandipsabharwal.blogspot.com/2009/04/end-of-fearthe-rise-of-greed.html - Blog

http://sandipsabharwal.blogspot.com/2009/04/end-of-fearthe-rise-of-greed.html - The end of fear….the rise of greed???

There are various parameters that were being used by analysts to measure the fear factor that gripped the markets in the year 2008, specially after the month of September when the rumors of financial institutions going down in the Western world started gaining ground and which culminated in the collapse of Lehman Brothers, a virtual nationalization of AIG and government funding of various financial institutions.
There are various measures that analysts use to gauge the fear factor. Some of them are given below and the movement of these indicates that fear has now gone out of the markets to a great degree. Whether we will see a return of Greed is something that has to be seen going forward.

TED spread and other interest rate parameters

The TED spread is essentially the difference in the yields (i.e. interest rate in basis points, 100 basis points = 1 percent) between the three month US Government Treasury and the 3 month LIBOR (London Inter Bank Overnight Rate). The difference between these two indicate the risk averseness in the financial system and it is essentially the gap in the Bank to Bank borrowing cost vis a vis the safest (perceived) asset of US Government securities. After the collapse of Lehman Brothers this gap had shot up to nearly 5% as the yields on US 3 month Treasury bills fell to zero and 3 month LIBOR shot up above 5%. Over a period of time since then the 3 Month LIBOR has fallen to 1.10% and that on the 3 month US Treasury has risen to 0.15%, thus reducing the TED Spread to 0.9%. A TED spread below 1% is believed to prompt investment into risky assets which includes equities, emerging market bond and currencies etc. This indicates that money has now started to flow between banks where there was a total lack of confidence post Lehman Brothers collapse. Good results from Financial Institutions in the US are also helping this cause.
The amount of overnight cash deposited at the European Central Bank also has fallen to its lowest in six and a half months, a possible sign banks are opting to put their cash to work elsewhere rather than park it at the central bank.
The two-year U.S. interest rate swap spread, a key measure of broader banking and financial market stress, narrowed by around two basis points to 54 basis points. That's within a few basis points of its lowest level since the global financial crisis erupted in August 2007.
Corporate bond spreads and spreads on CD’s have also come down sharply in the same time frame.


VIX

VIX, created by the Chicago Board Options Exchange in 1993, is the Volatility Index. It measures the market's expectation of near term volatility as reflected in the options prices of S&P 500 stock index. The volatility index (VIX) is also a measure of fear in the system and a higher level indicates a higher fear level and indicates that investors at that time are willing to pay a higher premium to buy protection (in very simplistic terms). VIX had shot up to almost a historically high number in October/ November 2008. Just to put this into perspective we have to go into the historic context starting from the year 2007 to actually see how high the fear factor went up to. Right through the start of the bull market in the year 2003 VIX had never gone above a value of 37-38. In the crash of May 2006 also the maximum value it saw was just 24. In 2007 as the first signs of the mortgage and financial crisis in the US started to come up VIX went upto 37 in the fall of August 2007. However as the markets started falling in the year 2008 till the climax in October 2008 this index went up to as high as 89 and has now come down to 37 levels.
Technically the VIX index has fallen below the upward sloping trend line, which started from August 2008. If it stays below the value of 37.6 over the next couple of weeks it will indicate a strong return of confidence and could lead to strong funds flow into risky assets.

GOLD PRICES

Gold another safe haven investment has seen its prices falling by nearly 13% from the peaks of February 2009. In the same time the equity markets globally have rallied more than 30%. This also shows indications of the fear factor coming down. In the period of extreme fear from 24th October 2008 till February Gold prices had risen from $ 680 TO $ 1000 a gain of over 45%.


US Dollar Index

As fear grew globally and lot of emerging as well as emerged countries started falling into problems which includes Balance of Payment crisis as well as defaults there was a steady influx into US assets from the beginning of 2008. (The irony being that US was the main cause of the crisis). As a result the US Dollar appreciated by nearly 30% vis a vis a basket of currencies measured by the US Dollar Index. I have talked about the reasons for the Dollar up move in an earlier article (The Dollar Conundrum). However now there seems to be a clear weakness developing in this currency, even though the move cannot be conclusively called until and unless the US Dollar Index falls by another 5% and remains at those levels for at least a couple of weeks. This is something we have to watch out for.
The above factors indicate some sort of stability and reduction of fear. However whether Greed will come back immediately or will take some more time is something that we will see empirically over the next few months.
 
The Morgan Stanley Emerging Markets Index has gone up from a level of 470 to 650 over the last six months. The key is to see if it is able to sustain above 600 levels for a couple of months. If this happens one will become reasonably sure that Greed and most probably a new bull market is starting off.
 


Posted By: chaudhuris
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2009 at 11:56am
If I may opine, I find this gentleman a little too "technical" in his approach. It is IMNSHO a typical MBAish (or IIMish) approach to make things more complicated.

I think he should just look at fundamentals - but then that's just me. :)

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Only when the last river has been poisoned
Only when the last fish has been caught
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Apr/2009 at 12:24pm
He has argued that way now he needs new logic to drive home the old point!!!
 
 


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Posted By: chaudhuris
Date Posted: 23/Apr/2009 at 2:55am
Old wine in new bottle? ;)

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Only when the last river has been poisoned
Only when the last fish has been caught
Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. ~ Cree Philosophy


Posted By: Circuit
Date Posted: 24/Apr/2009 at 9:55pm
http://sandipsabharwal.blogspot.com/2009/04/what-are-kind-of-stockssectors-one_19.html - What are the kind of stocks/sectors one should be buying now?
 
Part I - The anatomy of the bear


As I sit to analyze the kind of stocks and sectors one should be buying into at this point of time with a medium term perspective it is important to analyze the anatomy of the bear market. In order to do this I would first go back to the last phase of the bull market, which was the main phase of excesses and extreme euphoria.

Epilogue – The big blow off - This phase started from the month of September 2007 and lasted till January 2008. This was the period in which the Sensex went up from around 14500 to 21000. This was the time period in which valuations went up ridiculous levels, there was a huge deluge of money from hedge funds, there was extreme leveraging and retail investor frenzy was at its maximum. At the risk of repeating this was also the period in which even most professional fund mangers could not see the fact that the bubble had become so big that it had to burst. The genesis of the last phase of the bull market lay in the beginning of the rapid monetary easing by the US Federal Reserve subsequent to the start of the mortgage crisis and the beginning of the emergence of the financial crisis in the US and Europe. As a very good friend of mine puts it “ This was a phase where as the easing cycle started a large number of hedge funds thought that the liquidity is now going to over flow from a glass that was already full, without realizing that there was actually a very very big hole in the glass”.
This was the phase of the market where fundamentals were of no relevance and companies with grand plans and worst cash flows outperformed most of the other stocks. In this phase the BSE Mid cap index went up from 6000 to 10000 level a gain of a whopping 66%.

I will break up the bear market of the last 15 months into three parts

Phase 1 – The end of Euphoria – January to September 2008 – This was the first phase of the bear market and was pre Lehman Brothers collapse. In this phase there was a sudden reversal of liquidity flow and was also the phase in which commodities kept on rallying ( till around July to September depending on the commodity we are talking about) and was the phase in which inflation was a bigger concern in most emerging markets and euro zone. In this phase there was a very rapid increase in policy rates by central bankers all over the world as crude, copper, steel prices etc kept on rallying in the backdrop of a slowing global economy and reducing liquidity. This was the phase in which most market participants underestimated the scale of the problems in the financial systems in the Western economies and in general loss levels were underestimated. Economies all over the globe kept on moving from bad to worse in this period. However this was also a period in which lot of emerging market economies were believed to be relatively insulated and their suffering would only be due to collateral damage. This was the time period in which both mid cap and large cap companies fell in value. However this was also a phase where there was some sort of distinction in the markets between companies that would be relatively insulated from the slowdown effect. Companies that had good order books or a good execution history were relatively spared in the carnage. This was sort of a normal bear market phase in which markets fall by 25-30%.
In this phase hedge funds faced huge redemption pressures and most emerging markets saw significant outflows. In this phase which lasted till the middle of September 2008 the Sensex fell by 30% and the BSE Mid Cap index by 45%. 


Phase II –End of liquidity and execution disbelief – September 2008 to January 2009 – This was the period in which financial institutions in the USA started collapsing. Although smaller companies were collapsing the big one like Lehman hit everyone on the head. This led to liquidity totally drying up globally. The three month LIBOR shot up to nearly 4%, yields on US Treasury bills became virtually zero as capital preservation became the prime focus. This was the time period in which there was forced selling from a large number of FII’s and Hedge Funds due to the virtual collapse of the financial system in Western economies. There was extreme panic in the month of October/November 2008 and led to the formation of a panic bottom in the markets in October 2008. This was also the phase till be beginning of December 2008 where there was a virtual collapse in mid cap stocks although large cap stocks started stabilizing after making the panic bottom. In this phase valuations were of no importance. There was huge execution disbelief and due to the liquidity crunch the market started doubting the execution ability of projects that were already awarded. In this phase order books lost their relevance and most market participants started believing that things will never improve. This was the time when central bankers globally started cutting rates aggressively and also started pumping huge amount of liquidity into the system. However the fear was so high that nothing seemed to have any impact. Markets started to improve from the beginning of December before Mr. Ramalinga Raju burst into the scene in the first week of January.
In this phase companies with high debt levels, requirements of refinancing, high forex exposure, requiring large working capital fell the most.
In this phase the Sensex fell by another 35% and the BSE Mid cap index fell by another 40%.


Phase III – Total Disbelief and the lack of confidence – January 2009 to Beginning March 2009 – Even as markets had started stabilizing from the beginning of December 2008 the Satyam scam broke out and this combined with the process of change in regime in the USA and a constantly deteriorating scenario in the economic scenario globally led to the virtual “Falling off the cliff” of the markets, specially on the mid cap space. This was the phase in which no one wanted to own any mid cap stock and even large cap stocks with suspect accounting standards or suspect managements saw their stock prices crashing extremely badly. This was a phase in which most Western economies stock markets made new lows and most emerging markets held on to their October lows in term of large cap indices. However mid caps continued their free fall. This was the phase in which I believe that mid caps finally bottomed out as investors who were still holding out finally lost patience and sold these stocks at dirt cheap valuations. This was the phase which was the total reverse of October 2007 to Jan 2008 where investors just wanted out of mid caps. This was also the time in which investors wanted to stick to the bluest of blue chips and risk perception was the highest.
In this phase companies with suspect management practices, suspect accounts, commodity companies or those with exposure to the Middle East countries fell the most.
In this phase the Sensex fell by around 23% and the BSE Mid Cap index fell by around 30%.

 
 
 
Part II

In part I of the article I wrote on the Anatomy of the bear market. Now I will cover what investors should be doing now.


The three phases of the bear market made most investors move away from capital good, real estate, infrastructure, financial etc stocks into defensive bets like FMCG, Pharmaceuticals, Utilities etc. By the middle of March 2009 these stocks dominated the portfolio of most funds and cash position in funds went up to very high levels.

As despair reached its depths the stocks markets globally started recovering from Early March. The policy actions taken by governments globally in easing monetary policy, making more money available through various programs, the start of quantitative easing i.e. printing of money and also the passing of stimulus packages all over the world resulted in confidence returning to stock markets globally. Economies all over the world also started stabilizing and the downward spiral in economic performance seems to have been broken for now.
Coming to India specifically we have seen signs of stabilization and growth starting in sectors like automobiles, consumer durables, cement etc. Steel consumption has also stared moving up due to greater execution of infrastructure projects. The economic performance seems to have bottomed out in India in January 2009. Liquidity scenario has undergone a sea change and as on today bulk deposit rates which had gone up as high as 13-14% in the last few months of 2008 have come down to 5-6%. Consumer sentiment has also started to stabilize and revive.
Global liquidity has also improved where both LIBOR rates as well as corporate spreads have contracted significantly over the last three months. This will also reduce the cost of refinancing of Forex loans.
Under the circumstances it is important for investors to revisit their investment strategies. The few strategies that should work over the next few months are as follows –


Reduce positions in defensives – This is clearly the time to move out of defensives like stocks in the FMCG, Pharmaceuticals and Utility sectors where companies have outperformed over the last 15 months mainly due to risk averseness despite the fact that earnings growth prospects of such companies are nothing great and valuations of such companies have reached levels which are nearly twice that of market valuations. As fear reduces and things look more benign there is likely to be a movement out of such stocks.


Increase exposure into commodities – Commodity stocks have taken a severe beating over the last few months due to falling commodity prices. Some commodities which are likely to be in surplus are still likely to remain subdued. However this is the time in which a phased build up in commodity stocks should make sense. With the kind of money that is getting pumped into the global economy combined with the imminent fall in the value of the dollar should result in commodity prices moving up. Although it is extremely unlikely that commodities will reach their 2008 peaks anytime soon, commodity stocks normally follow underlying commodity prices and as such a sector like steel, which should see prices bottoming over the next few weeks, should be a sector to watch. Similarly a sector like sugar where sugar stocks saw their peak nearly 18 months before the peaking of the overall markets should also do well. This sector has failed to perform due to perceptions of government intervention should do well post elections.


Financials - Over the last few months among the financial stocks, banks with a large retail base and specifically PSU banks have outperformed due to them getting a greater share of deposits in the turmoil of the last quarter of 2008. Private sector banks and NBFC’s got battered due to higher perceived NPA’s and both the lack of availability of liquidity and the high cost of money. Now with liquidity no longer being a issue and the system being flush with liquidity along with bulk cost of deposits falling much below retail deposit costs there is likely to be an inversion in performance where Private sector financial institutions and NBFC’s should outperform.


Infrastructure companies – Over the last few months stocks of infrastructure companies which includes construction companies have taken a sharp beating. This has happened even to companies with large order books. This was mainly due to perceptions on risk of execution of projects, cancellation of projects and slower execution due to poor liquidity conditions. The order book accretion of such companies was also likely to suffer due to the slowing economy. However prices of stocks in this sector have now fallen to just about 15-25% of their peak value and offer lot of value for medium term investors.


Companies with large forex loans – Stocks of companies with large forex loans, FCCB’s outstanding etc. have got severely battered over the last one year due to the depreciation of the rupee, rising cost of forex loans and refinancing risks. These companies have been reporting forex losses continuously over the last few quarters. Due to the postponement of AS11 guidelines and expected appreciation of the rupee going forward such companies can outperform.

Alternative energy companies - With easing liquidity and bottoming out of crude oil prices, combined with clean energy investments proposed by the new administration in the USA we should see such companies coming back in focus. Stocks of such companies have come down to 10-15% of peak prices.

Automobiles – I am very positive on this sector as we are likely to see strong volume growth revival as well as margin expansion in this sector. This should be a big outperforming sector over the next two years. With consumer financing easing out, the economy reviving and interest rates starting to fall this sector is well placed.

Mid cap stocks in general – Today if one looks at companies on the large cap side (specially that are perceived to be the bluest of blue chips), taking an illustrative example of Reliance Industries the stock price is today 55-60% of its peak value, similar is the case with Bharati Telecom. Most defensive large caps like HLL, ITC are still trading near their peak prices. However today we see a phenomenon where a large number of mid cap companies with extremely robust business models, strong managements, strong cash flows, good profit growth have come down to 10-20% of their peak values. This is not restricted to high risk companies like those of the real estate sector but to a majority of mid cap companies. Out of the universe of nearly 1000 investable mid cap companies one can find at least 20 that can be multibaggers from here on. Incidentally to be multibaggers they just have to go to 50% of their peak values.
Hard work and proper due diligence done in this segment will give the maximum returns over the next two years.


Prologue – As pessimism reached its peak the stock markets globally have recovered sharply from the beginning of March. The MSCI Emerging Market Index is up 38% from its bottom. In India the NIFTY has also gained around 40% from the bottom and the Mid cap indices have also risen by a similar amount.

The thing to remember while investing is that “Money is made by investing when the perception of risk is the highest. At such times the actual risk of investing tends to be the lowest and the bridging of this gap is what makes money”.
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Posted By: master
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2009 at 10:18pm
Markets might have moved a lot, but not much has changed for this JM Fund. There is no change in the picks.
 
There is recovery from March lows, but return since launch is still -35%. Looks sticking with a concentrated midcap portfolio has taken its toll, backed by wrong timing.
 


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Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 04/Oct/2009 at 7:28pm
Well his Eliot wave theory is very subjective.

What I think that reason should be lower tax rates for corporates which lead to high return on equity and dramatic increases in leverage would be the reason for Indian stock market re rating in 2012.


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 04/Oct/2009 at 10:39pm
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 05/Oct/2009 at 4:12pm

From Sucheta Dalal's site: http://www.suchetadalal.com/?id=2ea9c5e7-e2a1-dea5-4aa7800e07c0&base=sections&f - Link

 
This one trashes Sandip Sabarwal and calls some of his picks like Country Club speculative. JM Core 11 is down 41% since it started in Feb 2008.


Posted By: venkat
Date Posted: 05/Oct/2009 at 4:53pm
Originally posted by subu76

From Sucheta Dalal's site: http://www.suchetadalal.com/?id=2ea9c5e7-e2a1-dea5-4aa7800e07c0&base=sections&f - Link

 
This one trashes Sandip Sabarwal and calls some of his picks like Country Club speculative. JM Core 11 is down 41% since it started in Feb 2008.
 
Country Club: the guy who sticks out and is a sore thumb!!!!!!!!LOLLOL


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Posted By: nitin_jagtap
Date Posted: 05/Oct/2009 at 5:22pm
Originally posted by subu76

From Sucheta Dalal's site: http://www.suchetadalal.com/?id=2ea9c5e7-e2a1-dea5-4aa7800e07c0&base=sections&f - Link

 
This one trashes Sandip Sabarwal and calls some of his picks like Country Club speculative. JM Core 11 is down 41% since it started in Feb 2008.
 
He needs to realise that the means are as important as the end.


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 05/Oct/2009 at 5:25pm

the guy who sticks out and is a http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1570&KW=another+unreleased+version+that&PID=94194#94194 - sore thumb !!!!!!!!

 
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 05/Oct/2009 at 12:12pm
Basically if someone gets credit for his good picks and gets paid many many crores surely it's not too much of an offence to hold the person accountable for big losses.
 
Otherwise we assume it's all a monkey's darts game and success and failures is all accidental.......purely dependent upon market direction Smile


Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 05/Oct/2009 at 9:13am
The ones to blame are those "grown-ups" who even after attaining the age of maturity and logic, havent even learned the way to invest their own money and are willing to hand over their dear money in anticipation that the ones whom they are handing over will manage it better.......
 
I think Mr. Sabharwal's team has done an excellent work......they made fools out of grown-ups....wonderful job, just keep on fleecing idiots!!!!!!


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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 05/Oct/2009 at 9:52am
No doubt that is true......
 
It's like giving your money to the sadhoo baba who promises 1% return/day.
 
Losing money in the stock market seems so very easy.... Just yesterday i heard of someone who lost 80% of his life's savings in a few months and his wife is worried he'll commit suicide...
 
Seems like he has no idea about P/E etc. Can one buy stocks just like that???
 
While we all read about these things in papers it never seemed so real to me.


Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 05/Oct/2009 at 10:41am
Originally posted by subu76

Seems like he has no idea about P/E etc. Can one buy stocks just like that???
 
For them...
 
P/E ratio means the percentage of investors wetting their pants (pee**g) as the market keeps crashing!


Posted By: tejas
Date Posted: 06/Oct/2009 at 10:50pm
Originally posted by kulman

Originally posted by subu76

Seems like he has no idea about P/E etc. Can one buy stocks just like that???
 
For them...
 
P/E ratio means the percentage of investors wetting their pants (pee**g) as the market keeps crashing!



What about those who did the (pee**g) due to their shorts (pun intended) while the market kept going higher ?


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 06/Oct/2009 at 11:07pm
Originally posted by tejas

What about those who did the (pee**g) due to their shorts (pun intended) while the market kept going higher ?


Big%20smile

Ah! You mean http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1099&KW=chhotelal&PID=29902#29902 -


Posted By: tejas
Date Posted: 06/Oct/2009 at 9:25am
Originally posted by kulman

Originally posted by tejas

What about those who did the (pee**g) due to their shorts (pun intended) while the market kept going higher ?


Big%20smile

Ah! You mean http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1099&KW=chhotelal&PID=29902#29902 -


Posted By: master
Date Posted: 30/Mar/2011 at 10:56pm
Current NAV: Rs 3.89
Return since launch in Feb-2008: (-) 26% annualised
3-year return: (-)22% against +5.6% for sensex
Corpus: Rs 213 cr
 
Is there anything more to be said?
 
Top holdings: LIC Hsg & ICICI Bk
 
Stocks held are individually ok (the usual MF types), but looks these guys have been pathetic with churning them. Perils of a concentrated portfolio backed by poor timing!


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