Indiabull Real Estate-Property and Retail
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Topic: Indiabull Real Estate-Property and Retail
Posted By: India_Bull
Subject: Indiabull Real Estate-Property and Retail
Date Posted: 27/Nov/2007 at 12:51pm
After consumer finance and real estate, the Indiabulls Group is set to step into the retail business. Indiabulls Wholesale Services Ltd, a subsidiary of listed firm Indiabulls Real Estate Ltd, will set up 30 hypermarkets across as many smaller cities in the country in the next 15 to 18 months with an outlay of Rs 1,500 crore.
The first of these stores is expected to come up by March/April 2008 in one of the three cities the company is targeting simultaneously, confirmed Indiabulls director Gagan Banga.
These large-format stores, spread over 100,000 to 150,000 square feet, will be modelled on the lines of Costco Wholesale stores in the US, which operates the largest membership warehouse club chain in the world.
Costco focuses on selling products at low prices but at very high volumes. Goods are bulk-packaged and marketed primarily to large families and businesses — it expects customers to buy 10 kg of Surf against 500 gm.
Indiabulls hypermarkets would be a B2C (business-to-consumer) format and not business-to-business format like Metro (though the wholesale word may connote a different meaning). It will bank on a low operating cost model to provide higher discounts to customers.
“The value proposition to the consumer will be in the form of discounts,” added Banga.
Indiabulls plans to offer discounts of 15 to 18 per cent on maximum retail price (MRP) against 5 to 10 per cent offered by other organised retailers today.
Each small city may have just one store. “We want to connect with as many people as possible. So, instead of having ten stores in Ahmedabad, we want to just one and pass on the benefits of scale to our customers,” said Banga.
These stores will be located in the heart of the city, and not on the outskirts or suburbs as most hypermarkets are located in the US or Europe.
The company is targeting Ahmedabad, Jodhpur, Indore, Kanpur, Patiala and Ludhiana, many of which have seen a spurt in per capita income (India’s per capita income has doubled to $1,000 in the last five years).
“ http://ahmedabad-tagging.jiglu.com/tags/topics/tier-ii-cities!overlay - Tier-II cities are better suited for a discount model. Bulk-purchasing cannot take off in big cities as there’s no space to store,” said Banga.
The company has procured land in 21 of these 30 cities, where construction is on, claimed Banga. Indiabulls Wholesale will be the anchor tenant in these malls, which will also house a multiplex, and other smaller shops.
The malls will be owned by the parent, Indiabulls Real Estate Ltd, which is also developing 3.5 million sq feet of commercial space in Mumbai’s mill lands.
Indiabulls’ retail foray is being led by CEO Ikroop Singh, an Indian who was working with the Microsoft and has huge experience in deploying technology in retail and has done so for several wholesale companies in the US. Ikroop has put together a team of 70 to 80 people, including three expatriate executives.
Indiabulls’ entry into retail comes after big groups like Reliance, http://ahmedabad-tagging.jiglu.com/tags/people/Aditya%20Birla!overlay - Aditya Birla , and RPG and Future Group have got a headstart and are busy consolidating.
http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage.php?autono=305617&leftnm=1&subLeft=0&chkFlg= - source :http://ahmedabad-info.blogspot.com/2007/11/indiabulls-to-enter-retail.html
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Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 27/Nov/2007 at 1:03am
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/new_reply_form.asp?M=Q&PID=30459&PN=21&TR=163"> http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/new_reply_form.asp?PID=30459&PN=21&TR=163"> http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=441&PID=30459#30459"> Posted: 20/Jul/2007 at 8:26am |
so many good stocks...So little money to choose from...and also Power of concentrated portfolio..are we becoming mini sensex?Teddy's ur response awaited.:)
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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 27/Nov/2007 at 4:50am
As per CLSA report, they are in middle of developing 11 malls with multiplexes. I assume that later all of these will also host their retail shop.
CLSA also states that IBREL has desire to sell almost all of stakes in commercial complexes to other entities like reit, PE or AIM funds. Reit listing of mumbai properties are imminent.
In my opinion, such move is very smart, as you get all of profits in 3-4 years of time and move on to other project. I will be surprised if IBREL doesn't do, what DLF & Unitech has done & vice-versa.
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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 28/Nov/2007 at 1:20am
Promoters buying :::
Indiabulls promoters up stake; purchase shares worth Rs 375 cr ECO TIMES :28 Nov, 2007, 2050 hrs IST, PTI
MUMBAI: Domestic brokerage major Indiabulls Financial Services' three promoters -- Sameer Gehlaut, Saurabh Mittal and Rajiv Rattan have raised their shareholding in the company by purchase of shares worth an estimated Rs 375 crore.
The three founders and promoters have purchased a total of 50 lakh shares together from the open market, raising their collective holding by 2.19 per cent to 28.59 per cent.
The transaction was revealed in an insider trading disclosure notice filed by the company to the BSE.
The three promoters held a total of 26.99 per cent stake in the company as on September 30, 2007.
According to the disclosure filed by the company, Indiabulls Chairman and CEO Gehlaut purchased 25 lakh shares, while Rattan and Mittal have acquired 12.5 lakh shares each.
Following these transactions, Gehlaut's holding increased by 1.1 per cent to 14.42 per cent, while that of Ratttan and Mittal have increased by 0.55 per cent each to 7.31 per cent and 6.86 per cent respectively.
Now, Gehlaut holds 3.28 crore shares, while Rattan and Mittal have 1.66 crore and 1.56 crore shares each.
The three are together since they were studying at IIT Delhi and also worked together at global energy firms Haliburton and Sclumberger before founding Indiabulls.
Earlier this month, the three promoters had hiked their stake in another group company Indiabulls Real Estate through warrant conversion to 27.14 per cent, from 23.97 per cent previously. The company plans to issue a total of three crore warrants to promoters, after whose conversions the total promoter holding will go up to 37 per cent.
Shares of Indiabulls Financial today dropped 4.5 per cent on the BSE to Rs 745.35, while that of Indiabulls Real Estate shed 4.52 per cent to Rs 612.05
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Posted By: luke123
Date Posted: 28/Nov/2007 at 10:11am
Originally posted by India_Bull
Promoters buying :::
Indiabulls promoters up stake; purchase shares worth Rs 375 cr ECO TIMES :28 Nov, 2007, 2050 hrs IST, PTI
MUMBAI: Domestic brokerage major Indiabulls Financial Services' three promoters -- Sameer Gehlaut, Saurabh Mittal and Rajiv Rattan have raised their shareholding in the company by purchase of shares worth an estimated Rs 375 crore.
The three founders and promoters have purchased a total of 50 lakh shares together from the open market, raising their collective holding by 2.19 per cent to 28.59 per cent. |
Share increase has been as a result of conversion of warrants. this news is wrong.
Luke
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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 04/Apr/2008 at 3:50pm
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Stocks_in_News/Indiabulls_gets_LoI_for_Chhattisgarh_thermal_power_project/articleshow/2924880.cms - Indiabulls gets LoI for Chhattisgarh thermal power project
Indiabulls Power Generation, a subsidiary of Indiabulls Real Estate, has received letter of intent for Bhaiyathan thermal power project in Chhattisgarh.
Chhattisgarh State Electricity Board has invited bids for procurement of power produced on long term basis from project comprising building, owning, operating, maintaining of a coal fired thermal power project at Bhaiyathan. |
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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2008 at 3:56pm
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Services/Retailing/Indiabulls_open_offer_for_Pyramid_Retail_gets_no_response/articleshow/2932702.cms - Indiabulls' open offer for Pyramid Retail gets no response
Indiabulls Wholesale Services, the retail arm of Indiabulls Real Estate, has seen a disappointing response to its open offer for raising its stake to 83 per cent in Pyramid Retail.
In a filing to the Bombay Stock Exchange, Indiabulls Real Estate said against the proposed acquisition of up to 40.32 lakh equity shares representing 20 per cent stake in Pyramid Retail, only 310 shares were tendered in by the shareholders. |
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2008 at 6:01pm
just 310 ??   
Originally posted by smartcat
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Services/Retailing/Indiabulls_open_offer_for_Pyramid_Retail_gets_no_response/articleshow/2932702.cms - Indiabulls' open offer for Pyramid Retail gets no response
Indiabulls Wholesale Services, the retail arm of Indiabulls Real Estate, has seen a disappointing response to its open offer for raising its stake to 83 per cent in Pyramid Retail.
In a filing to the Bombay Stock Exchange, Indiabulls Real Estate said against the proposed acquisition of up to 40.32 lakh equity shares representing 20 per cent stake in Pyramid Retail, only 310 shares were tendered in by the shareholders. |
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Posted By: Shadofax
Date Posted: 16/Jun/2008 at 7:23pm
hello XBox,
what are your views on IBREL now.
now when the price is around 400 it looks much attractive. I want some insight on the value that this business holds and the risks involved. I have a friend in this company saying good opportunity to buy + allotment to director happening @ 525.
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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 17/Jun/2008 at 12:40pm
hello XBox, what are your views on IBREL now. now when the price is around 400 it looks much attractive. I want some insight on the value that this business holds and the risks involved. I have a friend in this company saying good opportunity to buy + allotment to director happening @ 525. |
I stopped tracking it once I sold it in Feb, so no advise but on broader line, I feel that it is a value buy. A company in power, real estate, retail. All of then are capital hungry business, hence capital raising and EPS dilution could be very frequent. Also in all most all of these, sentiment is poor. So I feel value may remain value for long. On other hand demerger of Power is almost certain (when ?).
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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 17/Jun/2008 at 12:50pm
3 - 4 years from now - when the power division starts contributing to the topline.
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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 17/Jun/2008 at 1:03pm
Rentals frm Mumbai properties have already started kicking, investors can expect demerger and papers of the Retail and power business papers after a while !!
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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 17/Jun/2008 at 1:05pm
Retail is integrated business with real estate, so I can't think of demerger of retail business. Power is only unrelated business in the pack!!
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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 17/Jun/2008 at 1:26pm
That is true, but looking at the trackrecord of the promoters and fancy for demergers , that possibility cant be denied.
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Posted By: luke123
Date Posted: 17/Jun/2008 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by India_Bull
That is true, but looking at the trackrecord of the promoters and fancy for demergers , that possibility cant be denied. |
One possibility is they merge their wholesale retail into Piramyd (now Indiabulls retail) and then issue shares to current share holders. But they didn't seem that gung ho in their latest release on Retail so hard to know. Will become clearer in coming quarters.
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Posted By: Shadofax
Date Posted: 17/Jun/2008 at 4:49pm
thanks a lot.
I have questions about a few other stocks. How can i discuss them with member here. eg: GTL. I cannot discuss them here as this is IBREL thread.
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Posted By: luke123
Date Posted: 17/Jun/2008 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by dhruvesh
thanks a lot.
I have questions about a few other stocks. How can i discuss them with member here. eg: GTL. I cannot discuss them here as this is IBREL thread.
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Dhruvesh, look for GTL thread. if it not there, one can start a new thread but I think most of the stocks with potential are discussed here so look out in various threads.
LUke
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Posted By: rakeshmehta48
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2008 at 4:14pm
Originally posted by India_Bull
Rentals frm Mumbai properties have already started kicking, investors can expect demerger and papers of the Retail and power business papers after a while !! |
What's your view about IBREL at around 185.
Promotor's seems smart enough to unlock value at appropriate time. May be 1-2 years down the lane.
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 07/Aug/2010 at 9:48am
GS report talks about a revenue of apox 20,000 million by 2013 and a PAT of 5610 million and EPS of Rs 14 as on 31.03.2013.
is it a wish list of GS to investors or is it true. Can anyone comment ?
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 07/Aug/2010 at 10:03am
promoter has increased their stake from 18.27% in march to 22.10%
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 07/Aug/2010 at 10:38am
as per IBREL report Share of Revenue of IBREL project under development is 12,030 crs Expected to completed by 2010-14 Expected revenue recognition in 2010-11 is Rs 1025
Consolidated Revenue for the year ended 31.03.2010 is Rs 130 crs. Ie expect 9 times increase in revenue current year.
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 08/Aug/2010 at 11:31am
in the above revenue projection they have not considered the revenue from new land acquistion in Mumbai.
Anyone tracking the company ?
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Posted By: chimak10
Date Posted: 08/Aug/2010 at 11:42am
Okay i am somewhat interested party what is the Current NAV and projected NAV by GS.
I have no opinion about the recent purchases or where they will lead.
I am from mumbai and also in the RE sector as a contractor but completely lost where the property prices will lead. As in our circle we keep talking about bubble theory.
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 09/Aug/2010 at 3:49pm
Check out the below company link. Reliable since data given by company
http://www.indiabulls.com/realestate/financial.shtml - http://www.indiabulls.com/realestate/financial.shtml #
Click on the file Earning Update FY 2010.
The selling rate per Sqft looks very reasonable.
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 09/Aug/2010 at 3:56pm
How good is the managment ?
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Posted By: ravi
Date Posted: 09/Aug/2010 at 7:00pm
Originally posted by chimak10
Okay i am somewhat interested party what is the Current NAV and projected NAV by GS.
I have no opinion about the recent purchases or where they will lead.
I am from mumbai and also in the RE sector as a contractor but completely lost where the property prices will lead. As in our circle we keep talking about bubble theory.
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asper the projections chimakji property prices are expected to fall in 2011 and 2015. DLF is expected to experience teething challenges. Indiabulls seems to be high on steroids as always...
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Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 09/Aug/2010 at 11:35pm
Chimakji,
any idea about landbank of godrej group and your view on godrej prop.
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Posted By: chimak10
Date Posted: 11/Aug/2010 at 9:36am
I have absolutely no view......... but RD loves it a lot and RJ is not bearish on land ( Plus he respects Godrej management ) manish chokhani is super bullish on RE sector.
So the gurus love it ........you take the call.
Does anyone have any new report from ENAM about Real estate sector ???????
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2010 at 2:07pm
Accounting Policy for revenue recognition very conservative.
if 20% of project sold and 30% of actual construction cost (excluding land) have been incurred then 20% of 30 = 6% revenue is recognised.
and for expense
all operationa and establishment exp is incurrend in the period they are incurred.
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2010 at 2:11pm
Considering above case.
if 20% of project is sold and 30% completed then only 6% of revenue is recognised, whereas 30% of expenditure is recognised. ??
Maching principle for accouting missing here ? im i right ???
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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2010 at 2:54pm
Real Estate sector itself is not transparent, so better not to talk about accounting policies... but looking at the current land and property prices, the real estate sector leading stocks are going very cheap,the whole sector outlook is bearish and I fail to understand when the property prices are so high, there is no reason for the stocks to under perform.
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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2010 at 3:40pm
Originally posted by India_Bull
Real Estate sector itself is not transparent, so better not to talk about accounting policies... but looking at the current land and property prices, the real estate sector leading stocks are going very cheap,the whole sector outlook is bearish and I fail to understand when the property prices are so high, there is no reason for the stocks to under perform. | horses that have already run in the last leg of the bull run tend to fall behind when a new run up starts is a general trend seen in equity mkts.(they may catch up but dlfs , unitechs, and parsvanaths along with the reliance pack were the darlings of 2006-2007)
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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2010 at 5:47pm
You are right Tigerjee,
I feel there is a rally in real estate stocks due for upmove, if the global clues are good I can see the rally soon in the next few days to come.
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 15/Aug/2010 at 9:44am
IBREL's share of revenue of entire area under develompent (at current price) has increased from 12000 crs to 21772 crs in june qtr.
this is excluding mill land purchased recently.
Expected rvenue for 2010-11 is maintained at 1025crs
however completion date for additional area under construction is not given.
Source: http://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachHis/Indiabulls_Real_Estate_Ltd2_120810.pdf - http://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachHis/Indiabulls_Real_Estate_Ltd2_120810.pdf
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 16/Aug/2010 at 12:58pm
anyone has soft copy of annual report 2009-10 ??
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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 17/Aug/2010 at 10:50pm
In the volatile market, this stock is holding up- or rather the real estate pack is holding up well. think the real estate stocks have bottomed out, we may not see the out performance of the past but they definately deserve a rally. With zooming real estate prices, there is no reason for them to be undervalued for long time.
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Posted By: chimak10
Date Posted: 17/Aug/2010 at 9:49am
Lodha have sold something like 10% stake for 500 cr in there super tall towers to HDFC venture fund.
Here i was losing sleep over the tower and see the most conservative dudes picked up the stake in the deal.
Cheap money or something else???!!!!!!!!!??????
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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 17/Aug/2010 at 10:10am
Yes, very true and on top of it, the tower is booked 10% in first month of the launch !
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Posted By: chimak10
Date Posted: 18/Aug/2010 at 8:56pm
Now this sanjeev duggal also likes real estate sector ............hmm what to do now..........RD says property price unnaturally high..........RJ likes land.........manish chokani likes RE.
Me now kind of confused between bubbles and am i wrong or what.
What does sameer arora think about the sector.
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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 18/Aug/2010 at 9:25pm
Originally posted by chimak10
Lodha have sold something like 10% stake for 500 cr in there super tall towers to HDFC venture fund.
Here i was losing sleep over the tower and see the most conservative dudes picked up the stake in the deal.
Cheap money or something else???!!!!!!!!!?????? |
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Posted By: chimak10
Date Posted: 18/Aug/2010 at 9:30am
Nobody pays in advance
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Posted By: Monkey
Date Posted: 18/Aug/2010 at 9:58am
I have observed feeling of "left out" in few of my friends who did not buy property and are conservative by nature. They have all bought in last one year and are feeling happy now.
Also, I am seeing some of my friends talking excitedly about looking to buy their second property.
I guess we are in early stages of property bubble which is fueled by easy availability of credit. Home loan rates do not matter as long as perception of appreciation is much higher than home loan rates.
I think this will become huge due to snawballing effect. We are on our way to one giant crash few years down the line whose impact will be felt by everyone for long time.
Mean time, there is party going on in all asset markets. As Citi's Chuck Prince once said at the height of US property bubble, we got to get up and dance till the music is playing on.
I hope to keep an eye on exit door with fond hope that I would be able to get out early.
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 19/Oct/2010 at 10:57am
(in %) |
Sep-10 |
Mar-10 |
Jun-10 |
Promoter |
22.99 |
18.27 |
22.10 |
FII |
61.96 |
64.70 |
59.15 |
DII |
2.41 |
1.87 |
3.37 |
Others |
12.64 |
15.16 |
15.38 |
Total |
100.00 |
100.00 |
100.00 |
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2010 at 11:27am
IBREAL share holders to get 3 shares of India bull power for every one share held by them...
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Posted By: Ashutosh
Date Posted: 21/Oct/2010 at 8:37pm
How do you know about it ? What is the source of this news?
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 21/Oct/2010 at 10:50am
they said it on CNBC 2 days ago.
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 21/Oct/2010 at 11:02am
Corporate Announcement Oct 20, 2010 |
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Dear Sir,
Intimation under Clause 36 of the Listing Agreement
A meeting of the Board of the Directors (“Board”) of Indiabulls Real Estate Limited (the “Company”) was held today at which, inter alia, a proposal to restructure / re-organize the power and infrastructure business of the Company and its subsidiaries was discussed.
The Board proposes to consider alternatives to restructure/ reorganize the businesses of the Company carried on by itself and/or through its subsidiaries by segregating and streamlining the power and infrastructure businesses of the Company.
The objectives for the proposed restructuring include the following:
- increasing the net worth of the infrastructure and power business to ensure that the funding requirements for the various infrastructure and power projects of the Company and its subsidiaries are met, including, in particular, the development of Phase II expansion projects of the power projects of Indiabulls Power Limited (IPL), a subsidiary of the Company, at Nashik and Amravati. Fresh coal linkage for Phase II of the power projects at Amaravati and Nashik was granted in April 2010 by the Standing Linkage Committee of Ministry of Coal, Government of India, and including the Phase II projects the total capacity under development at Amravati and Nashik is 5,400 MW. Significant advances have already been paid to the BTG supplier for the Phase II power projects and the process for the completion of financial closure of the Phase II power projects is ongoing. The proposed restructuring would aim to increase the net-worth of the power and infrastructure businesses to meet the capital requirements for financial closure of these projects in a time-bound manner.
- given that the power / infrastructure business has different risk/ rewards and requires a distinct gestation period, funding, raw materials and are subject to distinct technical and regulatory requirements from the real estate business of the Company, the restructuring would aim to segregate the power / infrastructure business of the Company from its other businesses, thereby allowing investors to diversify their portfolio into separate entities, focused on the distinct businesses of real estate and power / infrastructure, respectively.
- unlocking the value of the Company by providing shareholders with direct ownership of the two segments, viz. real estate and power / infrastructure business.
The Board is of the view that the restructuring initiatives aimed at above, would help the Company and its subsidiaries allocate the required capital to their respective development projects, attract the requisite kind of investors, unlock value for the shareholders, provide synergy of operation and management and streamline the operations and ownership structure of the Company and its subsidiaries.
In relation to the above, the Board has constituted a Restructuring Committee, comprising some of its officers and directors to consider, examine and evaluate possibilities of the aforementioned restructuring or reorganization of the businesses of the Company, to take all necessary steps in relation thereto, and prepare and present a draft proposal and related documents to be placed before and approved by the Board at a later date.
The Board has decided to consult with the Board of Directors of Indiabulls Power Limited, a subsidiary of the Company, to jointly evaluate feasibility and options in relation to the restructuring of the power business.
The Board will make its final decision in due course regarding the restructuring exercise upon receiving the recommendations of the Restructuring Committee and obtaining the required professional advice, and will make further announcements when the appropriate decisions are made.
Thanking you
Yours truly, for Indiabulls Real Estate Limited | Source: company website
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 21/Oct/2010 at 11:10am
India bulls power |
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Share Capital (No of Shares) |
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% held by IBREAL |
58.61% |
No of shares held by IBREAL |
1,184,924,668.23 |
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Share Capital (No of Shares) - IBREAL |
401790739 |
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If shares distributed in the proposion of share holding |
2.94910896 |
( 2.95 shares of IBULLS POWER for ever one share in IBREAL) |
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Posted By: garun1980
Date Posted: 22/Oct/2010 at 2:35pm
Hi folks,
I am sorry that am posting this here. But what's your opinion on Indiabulls Financials. Q2 results have been pretty awesome!! In an intvw to CNBC Gagan Banga was talking abt 25-30% growth in the next 5 years..that sounds quite aweosme..any views..am looking to buy some of it...thanks
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Posted By: THEINVESTOR
Date Posted: 24/Oct/2010 at 7:11pm
How did such a swap ratio arrived?
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 17/Jan/2011 at 9:52am
i guess the the swap ratio is confirmed
2.95 share of IBpower for every 1 share of IBREAL
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Posted By: KetanAdmirer
Date Posted: 19/Jan/2011 at 10:34am
Originally posted by dilip.r
i guess the the swap ratio is confirmed
2.95 share of IBpower for every 1 share of IBREAL |
It is wrong... It is not 2.95 share of IBPower... It is a subsidiary where IB Real Estate will transfer its stake in IBPower... So, the 2.95 shares per share of IB Real Estate is the share in subsidiary and not direct holding of IBPower...
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 29/Jan/2011 at 1:03pm
ops... i dont know why they have to form a new company and not give direct shares of IBpower..
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Posted By: Alok Bhola
Date Posted: 31/Jan/2011 at 9:13am
Took a small exposure to Indiabulls Real Estate yesterday.
Although I am no big fan of the corporate governance and transparency standards of the Indiabulls group, at half the stated book value, IB Real Estate definitely appears attractive. This is, after all, not a CD or a garment company where actual market value of assets and inventory can be significantly below the stated book value. Most of the book value here represents real estate. Although, its very difficult to individually value each individual property and project, the combined market value of all the properties does not appear to be below the stated book value.
From market sentiment point of view also, this is probably the most hated stock of the most hated sector  . It usually turns out to be a good idea to invest in such stocks.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 31/Jan/2011 at 11:14am
Originally posted by Alok Bhola
Here in Gurgaon, its not uncommon to find upper middle class
families buying their 2nd or 3rd residential property (after taking
20-yr loans from banks). According to them, real estate prices never go
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Do these blokes make enough money to service the EMIs?
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Posted By: Alok Bhola
Date Posted: 31/Jan/2011 at 11:24am
A chunk of their salaries typically goes away in monthly EMIs. Hence its not uncommon for couples earning, say 25-30 lakh annual salaries to think twice even for a few hundred rupee expense.
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Posted By: prabhakarkudva
Date Posted: 31/Jan/2011 at 11:28am
Since i am reading the Big Short i am inclined to think that in another 10-15 years india might also have its own sub-prime crisis.
------------- Take your chances and keep them in a box until a quieter time.
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Posted By: Alok Bhola
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2011 at 4:27pm
http://www.tubaah.com/details.php?video_id=189904 - Interview with Gagan Banga
A 24 minute interview touching on all the four group companies.
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Posted By: Alok Bhola
Date Posted: 11/Feb/2011 at 10:20am
Here is the break-up of the proposed de-merger of the power business:
* IBREL shareholder will get 2.95 shares of Indiabulls Infrastructure and Power Ltd. for every 1 share of IBREL;
* Indiabulls Infrastructure and Power Ltd. will get listed on Stock Exchanges through demerger scheme;
* Indiabulls Infrastructure and Power Ltd. will hold 58.6% in Indiabulls Power Limited;
* IIPL will have total of about 119 cr shares (40.2 cr * 2.95);
* IIPL will hold about 119 cr shares (58.6%) of Indiabulls Power Ltd;
* Hence, 1 share of IIPL will be equivalent to 1 share of IPL;
* IIPL will be subsequently merged with IPL, resulting in IIPL shareholders getting 1 IPL share for every 1 IIPL share held;
* As on 11.2.11 close, following are the embedded values:
Indiabulls Real Estate (pre-demerger) Rs 113.25; Embedded IPL (through IIPL) Rs 68.44; Indiabulls Real Estate (excl power) Rs 44.81;
Indiabulls Real Estate (excl power): Book Value per share Rs 189; Q3 Annualized EPS Rs 7.28; P/B 0.24; P/E 6.1
The EPS is expected to grow significantly over the coming years as the Company is now moving out of the project stage and more and more developed space will become available for leasing / selling.
It appears just as the market significantly overvalued this Company at Rs 850 in Jan 2008, it is significantly undervaluing this Company now.
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Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 12/Feb/2011 at 12:41pm
I was one of those mungeris who bought it at 800. averaged at 550, 330 and 200 and later sold at Rs 156..classic case of buying high and selling low and invested the money in Yes Bank at Rs 55.. I would have been in huge loss and unable to recover without sensible decision to invest in YB
------------- ‘The market always does what it’s supposed to — BUT NEVER WHEN’.
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Posted By: barla
Date Posted: 12/Feb/2011 at 2:58pm
these people are the real experts of the stock market. They know how to get the maximum money for themselves by using the markter.
a contrast to the tatas.
i think even relaince has not sucked money like how these p[eople have been aable to.
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 12/Feb/2011 at 5:46pm
Originally posted by barla
i think even relaince has not sucked money like how these p[eople have been aable to. |
In double quick time too....
They have entered into every hot area. Their ability to raise new money is amazing .. Their association with LN Mittal has helped (LNM himself profited handsomely)
I've never had any personal touch point with this company
Has anyone ever dealt with this group at a personal level?
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Posted By: Alok Bhola
Date Posted: 12/Feb/2011 at 6:27pm
Originally posted by subu76
They have entered into every hot area. Their ability to raise new money is amazing ... |
...and had their fair share of failures as well. Their retail foray turned out to be not such a good idea. Their initial lending model of high risk high return category backfired, resulting in significant drop in profits for IBFSL for FY09.
They, however, seem to be learning their lessons. For eg, IBFSL is now moving towards becoming a focused mortgage and loan against property player.
On balance, they have created amazing business empire in just over a decade and decent enough wealth for their initial shareholders, even at the current highly depressed prices. Those who bought shares during late 2007 / early 2008 are a different category though. I am sure most of those who happily bought IBFSL at 900+ levels and IBREAL at 800+ levels are not even looking at these now when these actually seem to be available at a bargain.
My personal interaction with this group, though, is largely limited to an ex-batchmate who works with IBSEC at middle-management level. He only has good words to say about the group.
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 12/Feb/2011 at 6:45pm
I also knew/know a few people in IBSEC and they all had good things to say about the management .. In 2000 some one was working with them (he was one of their initial hires) and he used to come home and talk about the aggresiveness and hardwork of the founders
Do you know anyone who has been a customer of this company? Wanted to check if they're more like ICICI or HDFC
Personally i'm a bit sceptic about people who raise so much money (like Anil Ambani) and diversifies so fast
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Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 12/Feb/2011 at 10:02pm
customers of IB Sec have been not so happy.I know quite a few who have suffered and cases had been filed. Many people saw many illegal/unauthorised transactions in their accounts. there have been many cases in media as well.. higher mgmt. may be ok but middle/lower mgmt. has been disaster. They do not pay them well and make them work like donkey.. no surprise to find that they decided to wind down retail brokerage biz when others are willing to expand (eg IIFL).. even Reliance Money with all its name has been quite retail investor friendly. I also made mistakes in RCOM and GMR Infra.By the time I could understand the fundamentals of investing, it was too late.
I still need answer for few things -
- What made them to make foray in power sector? is it due to market was ready to give money to them ? I doubt they have credible plan even today.
- They acquired Pyramid retail which was doing well on operational front but making losses. I had visited pyramid malls in Ahmedabad and Pune. It was quite a good exp. It was poor management quality at IB which led to failure of retail venture.
- We have to see what do they do with NBFC venture. But with better quality NBFCs available I do not understand why should I make a bet on it.
- Let's come to real estate venture which is supposed to be flagship. They kept very high cash balance throughout recession and analysts kept recommending it bcz of it. At one time it had cash balance of more than Rs 150/share. It could have been used to buy cheap land in late 2008 or early 2009 but it did not do that. It used it when mill land got auctioned at astronomical prices. One person in real estate told me that they don't want to invest too much out of Mumbai. That explains why they want to keep buying land at rate of 30-50 cr/acre. Ideally one could have used that money to buy land in tier II/II cities to make bigger margins. I have clear choice of Godrej Prop/Mahindra Lifespace or Anant Raj Ind. not beyond those in Real Estate.
- I give ZERO importance to Mittals investing in IB. Mittals are known for poor corp. governance and shady practices in 3rd world countries. I think that money might have been for something else.
These people have played Mcap game got rich so no need to hurry or fire in the belly to keep doing well. They have done mindless diversification and I would remain miles away from it. If it was such a great investment, market would have recognised it sometime.
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Posted By: amanj86
Date Posted: 16/Feb/2011 at 12:44pm
Originally posted by Alok Bhola
Here is the break-up of the proposed de-merger of the power business:* IBREL shareholder will get 2.95 shares of Indiabulls Infrastructure and Power Ltd. for every 1 share of IBREL;* Indiabulls Infrastructure and Power Ltd. will get listed on Stock Exchanges through demerger scheme;* Indiabulls Infrastructure and Power Ltd. will hold 58.6% in IndiabullsPower Limited;* IIPL will have total of about 119 cr shares (40.2 cr * 2.95);* IIPL will hold about 119 cr shares (58.6%) of Indiabulls Power Ltd;* Hence, 1 share of IIPL will be equivalent to 1 share of IPL;* IIPL will be subsequently merged with IPL, resulting in IIPL shareholders getting 1 IPL share for every 1 IIPL share held;* As on 11.2.11 close, following are the embedded values:Indiabulls Real Estate (pre-demerger) Rs 113.25;Embedded IPL (through IIPL) Rs 68.44;Indiabulls Real Estate (excl power) Rs 44.81;Indiabulls Real Estate (excl power):Book Value per share Rs 189;Q3 Annualized EPS Rs 7.28;P/B 0.24;P/E 6.1 The EPS is expected to grow significantly over the coming years as the Company is now moving out of the project stage and more and more developed space will become available for leasing / selling.It appears just as the market significantly overvalued this Company at Rs 850 in Jan 2008, it is significantly undervaluing this Company now.
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HI, Just wanted to check, has the company officially expressed that they will be merging IIPL & IPL or is it an assumption??
Thanks and regards
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Posted By: dilip.r
Date Posted: 09/Mar/2011 at 2:25pm
i seriously dont understand why they can just give 2.95 share of India Bulls Power ltd insted of Indiabulls Infrastructure and Power Ltd.
i have a doubt, willl Indiabulls Infrastructure and Power Ltd will have anyother activty other than being holding company of India Bulls Power ?
or is it that the promoter wants to increase in stake of India Bulls power and thinks that the valuation of holding company will be cheper ?
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Posted By: rupeeneversleep
Date Posted: 16/Jun/2011 at 1:46am
Indiabulls Power Demerger: Great Value unlocked for existing shareholders
Strong BUY @ 112.75::: Downside Limited. Upside: More than 20% in a month by the Record Date
Indiabulls Realestate Price : Rs 112.75 Market Cap:Rs 4500 Crs
Indiabulls Power: Price :18.85 Market Cap:3,800 Crs
Whats the BIG Deal???????? 1) Existing shareholders are going to get 2.95 shares of Indiabulls Infrastructure and Power Limited. Indiabulls Realestate currently owns 118.5 Crs shares of Indiabulls Power which will subsequently demerged to existing share holders on Record Date
Shareholders Meet on :30th June.2011 Record date to identify shareholders :Mid July around 15-20th July 2011
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT MAKES ITS A BUY @ 112.75?????
1) You may have noticed i hardly write on the blog anylonger due to lack of time and am always back for a mispriced bet.
Indiabulls Realestate offers a mispriced bet primarily on account of Demerger of Indiabulls Power. I see a minimum 20% return till the record date or will be happy taking home only Free shares of Indiabulls Power.
Confused?? Let me show 3 examples as on Record Date
1) Indiabulls Realestae on Demerger : Rs 112 Indiabulls Power & Infra : Rs 50 (Assuming 20Rs a share for IB power and 20% discount=2.95*20rs- 18-20% discount holding company)
So effective value 62rs for indiabulls realestate::::::::::::::Not possible Assuming 40rs for indiabulls power :::::72::::::::::::::::::::Not possible
Whats my calcualtion??? I am not elaborating much on Indiabulls Realestate and Indiabulls Power as it shall take me an hour to detail each and every aspect.
I would consider 80-90 Rs a Base Case Value for Indiabulls Realestate (stanadlone) Considering its Land Bank, Debt on Books and Historic Valuations over lat 3-4 years (Even Today considering entire Realestate Sector Has been literally shaken.
Now add IndiaBulls Power value of 59rs as of today::::comes to ==(80+59)= Rs 139 View 1 ==(90+59)= Rs 149
View 2: Valuing Indiabulls Power stake @ 18-20% Discount===(80+50)= Rs 129 This is the pricei expect around the record date ===(90+50)= Rs 139
THE VALUATIONS ARE ON A BASE CASE SCENARIO AND NOTT FACTORING IN ANY GROWTH.
Now if i mention a fact: As on Record Date a shareholder will be entitled to shares of Indiabulls Infr& Power LTd and not the listed entity (Indiabulls Power:Rs18.85) Hence factoring a holding company dicount.
But these shares shall eventually be merged with Indiabulls Power and each shareholder will be entitled to 1 share of IndiaBulls Power.
Important Note: 1) Indiabulls Realesate has a good land bank and its consolidated debt shall improve aswell as it consits of loans of Indiabulls power as of today. And on a stanadlone entity should be valued much more than 80rs on a base case scenario.
2)Indiabulls Power: No one is bothered to value this co and shall give good returns in next 2 years. The power plants are doing good progress. It will stay subdued till the demerger according to me.
It offers a good Risk Reward at current Price of Rs 112.75.
A THOUGHT JUST IMAGINE you bought Indiabulls Power at IPO OF rS45---TODAY YOU ARE GETTING indiabulls power(valued at ipo(45*2.95=132) entire stanadlone realestate company free.
Once the promoters will merge the listed company Indiabulls Power AND iNDIABULLS INFRA&POWER that holding company discount will also diminish
ONE SHALL MAKE MINIMUM 100% Return on both these companies over next 12-18 months
FROM THE BULL'S MOUTH : CHECK YOUTUBE :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnHojxovQus
PLEASE DO STUDY THE COMPANY BEFORE MAKING AN INVESTMENT
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 16/Jun/2011 at 9:15am
Posted By: rupeeneversleep
Date Posted: 16/Jun/2011 at 9:39am
subu,
may i ask have you looked at indiabulls realestate or ibpower in detail.
and if so whats your worse case price for standalone entity on an enterprise value considering land bank and even today's slump in the sector.
I have mentioned i expect a rise. even if the price does not move one rupee i shall be getting the stanalone business @ rs60 odd rs.
i have posted the interview of gagan banga as well and he has indirectly mentioned that in the future ibulls infra and power and ibulls power(listed co) would merge.
share your worst case value for power as well
If you have much lower assumptions for the biz i shall put my point forward on the same
Other than that ur message was more like a mock message according to me
and 112.75 was yesterdays close for your info
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 16/Jun/2011 at 9:44am
Yeah...true...Apologies.......Sorry, got a bit carried away with the one month statement....I'll delete my post. I'll study more and then put up thoughtful comments.
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Posted By: rupeeneversleep
Date Posted: 16/Jun/2011 at 9:55am
no issues man. happens sometimes
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Posted By: vittapoint
Date Posted: 28/Jul/2011 at 1:02pm
With rising interest rates and likely fall in Mumbai/Delhi prices in near term, is this great contranian BUY in near term for long term knowing that
1)low debt
2)value unlocking though IB power
3)ability of management to deliver projects
4)there has been strong pressure for reforms on land purchase,electricity etc which might make infra space less corrupt
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Jul/2011 at 1:51pm
These companies should best be left alone.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 28/Jul/2011 at 4:47pm
Posted By: Jaishrikrishna
Date Posted: 28/Jul/2011 at 4:50pm
Originally posted by kulman
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Cool Man, Really COOL
------------- Don't Buy and Hold, Buy and Homework / Fish see the bait,but not the hook; Men see the profit, but not the peril.
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Posted By: tejas
Date Posted: 28/Jul/2011 at 1:30am
Brilliant observation......
We should watch out for other similarities...
Originally posted by kulman
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------------- Earnings, Earnings, Earnings.
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 10/Aug/2011 at 5:14pm
As shown in the wikipedia article below on "Magazine cover indicator" you cannot make direct inferences all the time. It fails sometimes and it works sometimes, thats all....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_cover_indicator
"The Magazine cover indicator is a somewhat irreverent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_indicator - economic indicator , ........'
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 11/Aug/2011 at 2:40pm
Indiabulls expects lease income to increase 30-35% http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/results-boardroom/indiabulls-expects-lease-income-to-increase-30-35_572456.html
Plagued by high cost of land, debt issues and slowdown in sales, the
real estate pack has been seeing sluggish growth over the quarter. “The
lower and mid-segment sales have been reasonable, and that compensated
for the slow-moving premium market in Mumbai,” says Gagan Banga, chief
executive officer, http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/finance-general/indiabulls-financial-services/IFS03 - Indiabulls Group . The group's realty subsidiary, http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/constructioncontracting-real-estate/indiabulls-real-estate/IRE01 - Indiabulls Real Estate has come out with its first quarter numbers for the current fiscal.
Speaking to CNBC-TV18 in an exclusive interview, Banga says that more
than 50% land has already been leased at Lower Parel, Mumbai. “Going
forward, we expect lease income for the company to increase by 30-35%,”
he says.
Below is the edited transcript of the interview. Also watch the accompanying video.
Q: Your numbers were sluggish. Can you take us through which areas you are seeing this sluggishness from?
A: The Mumbai premium market is kind of slow. The lower-end and the
mid-segment is doing reasonably okay. We believe that we had guided that
sales this year should go up by about 30%, and given the base from
which we come on the residential side, we are reasonably sure that we
should be able to do that number.
Q: No new project for you crossed the revenue recognitions
phase in this quarter. I believe even in areas like Navi Mumbai, which I
imagine would not be premium housing, have also been seeing a slowdown.
What gives you the confidence of hitting that guidance that you have
set out? What kind of scale up do you see through the next few quarters?
A: Construction is on full swing. In times of uncertainty, there is
generally a tendency of all types of consumers to prefer and buy both,
completed and projects in which construction are on in full swing. Our
job is to focus on construction and to ensure that the end product is
made ready in time. Execution is what we are focusing on.
Q: In terms of which projects you think will get recognized by the end of this year where you are seeing initial bookings, what are the key projects in line for FY12?
A: Both, Panvel and Gurgaon are seeing reasonable traction. I believe
that as these projects progress in terms of construction, it’s only a
matter of time that sales pickup as well as construction activity allows
us to do revenue recognition and increase the sales numbers.
Q: Your investors are quite concerned about the way Panvel
and Gurgaon are going where sales have been quite weak so far. Would you
concede that it has been disappointing so far?
A: I would not relate to Panvel and Gurgaon sales as being weak. I
believe that given the overall liquidity, interest rate and therefore,
the market sentiment, these projects seem to be doing reasonably well.
We also have to keep in context the fact that as buildings will
progress, they will see greater tractions. Actually, if the focus
continues to be on execution, sales in that segment are just a matter of
coming in line. Therefore, I don’t see a particular reason why sales
should be tepid or weak.
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/where-to-buy-real-estate_539227.html - Here is an exclusive from moneycontrol: Where to buy real estate?
Q: What about the leasing market in Lower Parel? Has that also turned a bit lackluster?
A: Premium markets are lackluster, there is no doubt about it.
Premium markets are tending to value completed apartments more than even
mid-end and the lower end of the markets. So Lower Parel, no doubt
about it, it’s seeing very weak activity right now.
Q: So is it true that of those two office complexes that you
have only about 50% is leased right now and how much of an increase do
you expect to see then in leasing income?
A: Slightly more than 50% is leased. We have given out these
complexes to pretty large tenants whose fit-out work is currently going
on. So I believe that the lease income should go up by as much as over
30-35% towards the end of the year.
Q: How soon you see the demerger happening for Indiabulls
Power because it was cleared at the start of this year in January but we
haven’t heard any words since?
A: It’s a court-led process, and so far, the progress has been very
good. Shareholders gave their approval and then, we had to go and get
the approval from the lenders which have also come in. Now the court has
convened a date in October for the final hearing. I expect post that,
towards the end of the calendar year, the process should be complete.
That makes it sometime in mid-December.
Q: So what's Indiabulls response to a sluggish market? Are you considering reducing rates both on sales and on leases?
A: We have been reasonably ahead of the curve. Especially on the
leasing side, we have seen good traction and good names come to our
buildings, essentially because we have priced our products pretty
sensibly. So Indiabulls Finance Center today gets priced depending on
the quantum that one is taking on lease around Rs 125-150. So at those
rates, we are not where the rest of the Lower Parel market is, which
continues to price their product at about Rs 180-200. I believe sensible
pricing is one aspect of how to grow the business. The other is to
continue to focus on execution.
Q: Just a clarification on the Elphinstone Mill project…
there were some reports about work being stopped there because of an
environmental clearance. Is everything okay there?
A: That I believe was completely misunderstood and there was a
clarification later. The IT part of the building is complete. There are
people who are sitting in that building and the IT Park doesn’t even
come under the miniscule approvals for environment. So, there is a
deemed approval there. Hence, there was no issue and I am currently
sitting in Elphinstone Mill which is the Indiabulls Finance Center.
Q: If you are working with lower rates than some of your
peers in the areas that you function in, are you holding with your FY12
guidance in terms of margins of 25% because this quarter has been half
of that?
A: We believe that sales will grow by about 30%. Margins should be in the range of about 20%.
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 11/Aug/2011 at 8:47pm
Recently, I have found few nagging issues on Indiabulls Real Estate.
If you look at their annual report of FY10 available at:
http://www.bseindia.com/bseplus/AnnualReport/532832/5328320310.pdf
Issues: 1:
In page-68 of the report, you can find that they have made substantial
investments in other almost irrelevant companies like AnantRaj, Jagati
Publication (YSR son Jaganmohan Reddy's controversial company), etc.,
What are they up to spending about Rs. 900 crores in such company
investments???
2. In page-115 you can see a curious company
"Indiabulls Infrastructure Company Limited" This company is not a
subsidiary of Indiabulls-Realestate. Its looks like a company owned
privately by Indiabulls promoters in their personal capacity(If you look
at the IPIT FY2010-2011 annual report available at www.sgx.com, you
could find that Sameer & Rajiv Rattan are directors of this curious
company). Further if you do a google search on "Indiabulls
Infrastructure Company Limited", you can find that contracts for several
IB-REAL& IB-Power projects are being routed through this promoter
privately owned company. The immediate question from me is WHY??? Why do
the promoters want to route all the project contracts through their
own private company? Any comments on this will be helpful.
***************************************************** Some links on the contracts being routed through this way:
Siemens bags Rs.124 crores order from Indiabulls Infrastructure Company Limited http://www.siemens.co.in/en/news_press/index/indiabulls_infrastructure.htm
Several Ib-Power contract works: http://www.technofabengineering.com/turnkeyprojects03.htm
Construction of Central Park Residential Apartment project at Madurai http://www.ecciltd.com/%28S%281kyg3i3dqv0p2zv3npp53g55%29%29/newsdetails.aspx?RecordID=13&
Indiabulls Greens - Panvel Construction of Residential Towers at Panvel (B+G2G+32), Mumbai Indiabulls Greens - Chennai Construction of Residential Towers (B+G+19) at OMR Road, Chennai http://tuipl.com/projectslist.html
Indiabulls Infrastructure Company Limited, Saraspur , Ahmedabad http://swastikarcade.com/default.aspx?name=current-projects
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Disclaimer: I have investments in IB-Realestate, IB-Financial services
& IB-Securities. I don't plan to sell them on these issues yet. It
will probably very difficult to find clean companies in
Infrastructure/RealEstate business. Even there is a talk in the news
that, Tata-Realty provided 1600 crores unsecured loan to Unitech
(Coincidentally the 2g spectrum license fee cost for Unitech is about
Rs. 1600 crores :) ). If the so-called-clean Tatas have to do
hanky-panky stuff in Realty business, then what else can Indiabulls
do.....
Apart from these obvious negatives above, there are
several positives I see to continue holding those shares for now.
However, the things above needs to be properly considered by investors.
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 11/Aug/2011 at 8:50pm
INDIABULLS PROPERTIES
INVESTMENT TRUST (IPIT) listed in Singapore Stock Exchange (www.SGX.com) ANNUAL REPORT 2011 as at 31 Mar 2011 http://info.sgx.com/listprosp.nsf/AnnualReportByCompany/03D97167D07EE6F5482578BE0006F105?opendocument
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 25/Oct/2011 at 2:08pm
Indiabulls Real Estate FY2011 Annual Report available for download at: http://www.business-beacon.com/kommon/bin/sr.php?kall=wcos&cocode=369628&type=s&tab=1010
You need to pay Rs. 137.88 though :(
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 25/Oct/2011 at 5:02pm
Indiabulls Sky properties and Bleu rough pricing sheet:
http://paras.investors-clinic.com/images/listing_photos/213_paymentplan.jpg
http://paras.investors-clinic.com/images/listing_photos/213_paymentplan.jpg - http://paras.investors-clinic.com/images/listing_photos/213_paymentplan.jpg
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 17/Jan/2012 at 9:34pm
Indiabulls has now got the environmental clearance for SkySuites+SkyProjects (subject to civil aviation ministry):
http://ec.maharashtra.gov.in/files/SEIAA_MoM_43.pdf
In my view the value of the residential components of the two projects alone comes to about Rs 6000 crores. ( IBREAL has ~50% share in IPIT implementing these projects. Refer to the payment plans for prices: http://paras.investors-clinic.com/images/listing_photos/213_paymentplan.jpg - http://paras.investors-clinic.com/images/listing_photos/213_paymentplan.jpg )
Its a big positive if they also get civil aviation permissions for 270 m height buildings.
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Posted By: luke123
Date Posted: 20/Jan/2012 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by s.sath
Indiabulls has now got the environmental clearance for SkySuites+SkyProjects (subject to civil aviation ministry):
http://ec.maharashtra.gov.in/files/SEIAA_MoM_43.pdf
In my view the value of the residential components of the two projects alone comes to about Rs 6000 crores. ( IBREAL has ~50% share in IPIT implementing these projects. Refer to the payment plans for prices: http://paras.investors-clinic.com/images/listing_photos/213_paymentplan.jpg - http://paras.investors-clinic.com/images/listing_photos/213_paymentplan.jpg )
Its a big positive if they also get civil aviation permissions for 270 m height buildings.
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Great work S.Sath as always.. I wanted to know if Indiabulls Infra and Power (the new company) shares have come to your account?? I don't see them in mine.. Also, any info on when are they planning to list them or will they just merge it with power and not list these individually.. thanks. Luke
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 21/Jan/2012 at 4:36pm
Luke,
I received the Indiabulls Infra and Power shares yesterday. I think they will list it separately (without merging with IB-power) this March/April.
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Posted By: luke123
Date Posted: 21/Jan/2012 at 11:00pm
Originally posted by s.sath
Luke,
I received the Indiabulls Infra and Power shares yesterday. I think they will list it separately (without merging with IB-power) this March/April.
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I should have asked earlier. I got mine too yesterday. What is the point of listing it?? only thing it has is IBpower shares and that too 1:1. They should merge it and get done with it.. Luke
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 21/Jan/2012 at 11:34pm
Originally posted by luke123
What is the point of listing it?? only thing it has is IBpower shares and that too 1:1. They should merge it and get done with it.. Luke |
I think all the shares of IBPower with the new company are pledged. There might be some restrictions due to that. Also, the promoters might have some advantages in controlling more shares of IBPow through a simple holding company. The new company also might have some other infrastructure business (at least the name implies that).
For minority shareholders, it is better if they merge. The promoters might have different plans.
Lets wait and see what they do with it.
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Posted By: luke123
Date Posted: 21/Jan/2012 at 2:21am
The lock-in is over. I read some disclosure a few days back. I don't how the pledging will work, IIPL will pledge IbPower shares to raise money and give to who?? There might be some timing issues and hence the listing that you can't merge for so and so period. I remember reading that this convoluted process is for tax efficiency. Another thing I wanted to ask you was if you know anything about Indiabulls Technology. Are they part of any listed group firm?? how big they are?? Were they supposed to be part of Indiabulls Wholesale?? Luke
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 21/Jan/2012 at 9:30am
I think IBREAL pledged about 60% of its past holding in IBPOW with lenders funding the IBpower projects, just as additional guarantee. May be its revoked now as you say. We will know when more data is available during listing of IIPL.
Yes, IB-technology is a wholly-owned subsidiary of IB-wholesale. I think now IB-technology provides outsourced software services for the entire IB group, and also trying to market their services for companies outside the group.
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 01/Feb/2012 at 6:39am
SEAC recommends Environmental clearance for proposed Residential Building & Central Library at CTS No. 4094/1, Kalina University, Vakola, Santacruz (E), Mumbai by M/s Indiabulls Real Estate Pvt. Ltd.
http://ec.maharashtra.gov.in/files/49MoM_SEAC.pdf
Next SEIAA has to give final approval.
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2012 at 8:15am
Indiabulls Real Estate FY 2010-2011 Annual Report : www.nseindia.com/nse_archives/annual_reports/AR_IBREALEST_2010_2011_27122011102526.zip
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 20/Feb/2012 at 11:45am
SEAC recommends Environmental clearance for proposed Residential
+ Commercial buildings at Bharat&Poddar Mills Worli land by M/s Indiabulls Real Estate Pvt. Ltd.
http://ec.maharashtra.gov.in/files/50MoM_SEAC.pdf
Next SEIAA has to give final approval.
Indiabulls Bleu rough pricing sheet between 28,000 & 35,000 before SEAC approval:
http://paras.investors-clinic.com/images/listing_photos/213_paymentplan.jpg - http://paras.investors-clinic.com/images/listing_photos/213_paymentplan.jpg
Fit-outs/Parking/PLC etc on top of base price.
Assuming a modest average sale price of Rs 30,000/- per sq. ft the approved 2.3 million sq. ft (.214 million sq meters) comes to about Rs. 7000 crores. The land cost was about 2200 crores including registration stamp duty. The value of the commercial component might be slightly lower than the residential component pricing above.
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 21/Feb/2012 at 11:04am
Indiabulls’ project gets conditional green nod
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Search/search.aspx?q=Ketaki%20Ghoge&op=Story - Ketaki Ghoge , Hindustan Times Mumbai, February 22, 2012 http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Mumbai/Indiabulls-project-gets-conditional-green-nod/Article1-815016.aspx
A mega luxury residential and commercial project by Indiabulls
Infrastructure, to be spread across 11 acres in Lower Parel, has been
given a conditional clearance by the state’s green authority.
The project, named Indiabulls Bleu, is being built on Bharat and Podar Mills, near Worli naka and was auctioned by national textile corporation
(NTC) in 2010. The company bought the 8.3 acre Bharat Mill for a
whopping Rs1505 crore and the 2.3 acre Poddar Mill at Rs250 crore.
The project includes two 60-storey towers that will house 2,000 sq ft
apartments and two 50-storey commercial towers, estimated to cost Rs764
crore.
The project got a clearance from the state expert appraisal committee
(SEAC) this month. This advisory body scrutinises all mega construction
proposals over 20,000 sq meters.
Clearance was recommended on the condition that the developer
complies with certain issues including that the additional floor space
index (FSI) offered under the state’s IT policy and utilised for the
commercial towers should not be availed for residential towers.
However, even as the green authority gave a conditional go ahead to
the project, it has rapped the project developers for allegedly
violating Environment Protection Act by clearing the site of all mill
structures before obtaining a clearance.
The authority has asked the environment department to look into the matter and take action.
The project developers had informed the authority that the site had been cleared as per its agreement with the BMC.
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 14/Apr/2012 at 6:39pm
Part of Jupiter mill land sold for Rs200 crore in Gujarat
Published: Saturday, Apr 14, 2012, 15:19 IST
By http://www.dnaindia.com/authors/jitendra-dave - Jitendra Dave | Place: Ahmedabad | Agency: DNA
A 57,000 square yards of the total land that once belonged to the now
closed Jupiter textile mill has been sold to a leading developer of the
city for around Rs200 crore. |
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This land was part of the 75,000 square yards of mill land in Shahpur
area that was purchased 4-5 years back by Indiabulls Real Estate for
Rs61 crore.Indiabulls has already launched a residential project on
around 18,000 square yards of the land it had purchased and was planning
to start a commercial project on the remaining land. However, it put
those plans on the backburner and sold the land to HN Safal. Uday
Vora, chairman of HN Safal, confirmed the development and said that the
company wants to develop commercial shops on the land.“We have
completed all the formalities and will launch around 2,000 shops in line
with our ‘Sumel’ projects in other parts of the walled city area,” said
Vora. He did not reveal other details of the deal. Sources close to the
development believe that the land had changed hands for around Rs200
crore.
Source Link:
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_part-of-jupiter-mill-land-sold-for-rs200-crore-in-gujarat_1675821 |
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 03/May/2012 at 12:01pm
Review of performance of INDIABULLS PROPERTIES INVESTMENT TRUST for FY12:
IPIT earned S$84.8 million of rental income in the financial year ended 31 March 2012 compared with rental income of S$59.3 million for the financial year ended 31 March 2011. Net property income for the financial year ended 31 March 2012 was S$54.9 million compared with S$21.5 million for the financial year ended 31 March 2011 due to a pick-up in leasing activity in the commercial component of the properties comprising Towers 1 and 2 of One Indiabulls Centre and Towers 1, 2 and 3 of Indiabulls Finance Centre which are fully operational (pending certain finishing works in certain parts of Indiabulls Finance Centre). The total area that has been leased out at the properties is approximately 2.1 million sq ft at an average rental of approximately Rs. 154 per sq ft per month. At One Indiabulls Centre, the construction of the residual commercial space (in addition to Towers 1 and 2 which have already been completed and are fully operational) is being currently carried out. We expect the residential development on the properties to be completed in approximately three years.
http://info.sgx.com/webcoranncatth.nsf/VwAttachments/Att_C1FCCB6D1EEF60BD482579F200514A93/$file/IPIT_FY2012_Results_Announcement.pdf?openelement
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Posted By: s.sath
Date Posted: 03/May/2012 at 12:03pm
Indiabulls Real Estate - 4QFY12 Results Update - Motilal Oswal
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Revenue booking healthy; New launches key to augment RoCE
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Indiabulls Real Estate (IBREL) has reported in-line results for 4QFY12.
Growth in revenue booking was healthy at 22% QoQ, largely backed by
stronger execution progress, as incremental sales during the quarter
were muted. EBITDA declined 6% YoY to ~INR1.1b, while EBITDA margin
declined to 24% from 29% in 3QFY12. Despite decline in EBITDA, PAT
jumped 1.6x YoY due to lower tax rate.
- For the full year,
revenue declined 3% to INR13.9b. However, EBITDA grew 20% to INR3.9b,
driven by higher revenue contribution from Mumbai (Panvel) and Gurgaon
projects.
- During 4QFY12, sales volume declined sharply, though
sale of commercial space in Mumbai (Worli) drove up average realization
and sales value QoQ. It sold 0.6msf (INR6.7b) v/s 0.9msf (INR4.5b) in
3QFY12. For the full year, sales were 3.5msf (INR19.8b) v/s 5.9msf
(INR48.4b) in FY11, almost 60% de-growth in value terms.
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Leasing volume in IPIT commercial deteriorated QoQ to 0.06msf (v/s
historical run rate of 0.18msf), taking the total area under lease at
IFC and Indiabulls One to 2.21msf.
- Net debt was stable at
INR18.6b, implying a net DER of 0.25x. However, considering the
effective stake of IBREL in IPIT's debt, net debt works out to
~INR30.3b.
Valuation and view: Recent developments such as (a)
continuous stake increase by promoters, also with the announcement of
buyback, (b) warrant conversion at a high price, etc render positive
sentiment for the stock, especially due to prolonged valuation discount
compared to peers. However, (a) approval hurdles and regulatory
headwinds, (b) slowdown in Central Mumbai market (IPIT and Worli
projects account for ~45% of NAV), and (c) delay in new launches would
remain key concerns. IBREL's continuous land acquisitions over the last
couple of years have raised concerns over effective utilization of
surplus cash. The monetization of these land parcels over FY13 would be a
key factor to watch to augment RoCE. The stock trades at 0.4x FY13E BV,
14.6x FY13E EPS, and at ~40% discount to our NAV estimate. Buy.
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Source: Equity Bulls http://www.****.com/admin/news2006/news_det.asp?id=104089
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2012-05-02 21:40:19
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Posted By: aman30
Date Posted: 13/Jul/2012 at 6:59pm
India is the fast developing country and have large population which the second highest in the world because of these factors, there is high demand of property, which led to high property rates in India.
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