Capital Goods - A good sector
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Topic: Capital Goods - A good sector
Posted By: PKB2000
Subject: Capital Goods - A good sector
Date Posted: 12/Nov/2007 at 8:36pm
Posted: 14/May/2007 at 9:42am |
Reading newspaper in the morning:
Reference: The Economics Times PUNE MONDAY 14 MAY 2007
Capital goods index soars on core thrust - Beats Benchmark, Sectorial Indices in past 5-7 years
---- The BSE Capital Goods is one such index, which can surely boast about the fact that it has outperformed the benchmark Sensex in each of the past five calendar years. Further the index has outperformed all the sectorial indices too, if the seven-year average is taken into consideration----
“Companies in the infrastructure sector have great future and stock prices reflect growth,” says Manish Sonthalia, VP (equity strategy), Motilal Oswal Securities. “The outlook is on future growth and there is no doubt that the stocks that are a part of the capital goods index would continue to grow for the next 3-4 years, The government’s increased focus on infrastructure in the 11th plan provides an excellent opportunity to the capital goods sectors,” he added. -----------
The index comprises stocks like L&T, Bhel, ABB, BEL---------.However, Bhel and L&T accounting for a collective weight age of nearly 56% of the index.
“While most of these companies have a strong order book, in some of the cases, three-year sales have already been built in” adds Mr. Sonthalia. The PPP (public private partnership) model has also been successfully tried and going ahead one will see more of such examples, he added. --------
In the past seven years, the index has generated and average return of 42.17% as against 16.34% of the Sensex. -------- |
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Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 12/Nov/2007 at 8:36pm
Output of capital goods rose 18.6% in September 2007 compared with 9.5% a year ago. Compared to Industrial; growth is 6.4% vs 12 %. This sector of capital goods is giving us the air of confidence for past present and future India.
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 29/Nov/2007 at 6:49pm
Any views on IVRCL Infra. I bought the stock @ 350 on value unlocking story of its real-estate arm. They have an order book of 10,000 crs as of today. They have forayed into E&P by acquiring some domestic unlisted company. They turned out Hindustan Dorr-Oliver successfully. They are experts in the water and environment projects.
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Posted By: johnnybravo
Date Posted: 29/Nov/2007 at 6:51pm
Devesh, What's the "value unlocking story" of IVRCL? Can you throw more light..
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Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 30/Nov/2007 at 1:51pm
Originally posted by tushar
Devesh, What's the "value unlocking story" of IVRCL? Can you throw more light.. |
Key question
Very well known company.
Since 2004 it attracts the stock holders and time to time good growth reports are there about this company (in news papers and magazines). Since then how much times has increased (7 to 8 times) or may be more.
I sold ~ 440 long long ago (may be nine months back).
The stock can be treated as the most reespectable stock in 2005 and 2006 containing the name INFRASTRUCTURE behind its name and in its catagory.
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Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 30/Nov/2007 at 3:44pm
'Capital goods and constructions are the buoyant sectors' - Finance minister during his press conference on latest GDP facts and figures.
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 30/Nov/2007 at 6:10pm
ABN Amro has a price target of 605 on IVRCL.
Kotak : 515
ML: One of the top midcap picks
PL: Buy rating (dont know the target)
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 08/Dec/2007 at 1:05pm
IVRCL Infra
CMP: Rs 493.95
Target Price: Rs 582
HSBC Securities has rated IVRCL an ‘overweight’ while raising its price target to Rs 582 from Rs 440, citing attractive valuations and robust growth prospects. “We expect IVRCL to trade at higher multiples than it is currently trading at as we estimate earnings CAGR of 29% over FY07-10e, given the strong business prospects,” the investment bank said. HSBC has kept the company’s earnings per share (EPS) estimates unchanged at Rs 15.3 for 2007-08.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 09/Dec/2007 at 8:10am
BS Smart Inv carries interesting article titled http://www.business-standard.com/general/storypage.php?&autono=306949 - Building blocks
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Posted By: ketan parekh
Date Posted: 27/Apr/2008 at 8:50pm
sir,
two biggest capital good company came out with the result on friday and it is clealt visible that both have performed way below expectations...siemens was a GIGANTIC DISASTER... and abb also showed slowing down.....and we all remember how bhel got the pasting in the first wekk of april..
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Posted By: ketan parekh
Date Posted: 27/Apr/2008 at 8:52pm
sir,
remember one more thing which goes agains the capital good sector.....it is the most most OVEROWNED sector....
hopw u will take this into consideration....
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Posted By: ketan parekh
Date Posted: 27/Apr/2008 at 10:10pm
sir,
and mind u these three compaines ABB,SIEMENS and BHEL are like infosys wipro and tcs of capital good.....so we hv to be very cautious....
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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 27/Apr/2008 at 10:49pm
yes ur right now they will be sold out on every rally ...pharma can be again a grapvine for spculators like RJ and other guys so lets see how it goes fo rthe rest of the year ...so we have our own Kp in this forum
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Posted By: ketan parekh
Date Posted: 27/Apr/2008 at 10:04am
sir,,
u shd just listen to wht udyaan said on monday morning about the capital good stocks.....he said they are SHOCKER....
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Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 02/May/2008 at 7:57pm
Originally posted by ketan parekh
sir,
and mind u these three compaines ABB,SIEMENS and BHEL are like infosys wipro and tcs of capital good.....so we hv to be very cautious.... |
Sir
They are yet to reach to that level of Infosys , TCS ---(probably). The way they are thrown out from the market based on one qtr result (only) does not qualify them in the status of INFOSYS etc in this SHOCK market. But many people do think that BHEL, LNT should at least behave like big boss in the path of GDP growth and they should not be thrown by the performance of a single qtr. If we do not want to give energy to BHEL, LNT, SBI, BHARTI ARTL, DLF then how frustrated Indian Idiots including (India--) will again try to get strength on its own feet? (May be with JP ASSOCIATES, HDFC, HDIL, TATA MOTORS or HERO HONDA.) I was listening very carefully the recent interview of our RBI Governor and Madam LATA of CNBC. Do the IIP data those are released and known to us is itself something may be different on actual? Many a people like me try to follow the words of UDAYANbabu. Problem is that in case of especially capital goods, his views still pass above my head tangentially. Probably with passing time as I hear more and more about these sectors and related stocks from Udayan babu- things will be more clear to me. Till then I do not have any problem in believing with this sectors along with other sectors and sufficiently guarded against any external shock. (At least UDAYAN BABU is discussing them on regular basis).
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Posted By: master
Date Posted: 15/Jun/2008 at 12:04pm
Capital goods: Challenging times are up ahead
Capital goods, as a sector, suffered a severe de-rating in the recent correction. While weak investor sentiment was also a factor, the decline was primarily driven by the expected moderation in the growth of capital goods companies, linked to the slowdown in economy. The price earning multiples of most companies collapsed significantly in the last few months, from a band of 22-72 times in January 2008 to the present levels of over 17-43 times their FY08 earnings. This de-rating is despite the sector reporting a 23 per cent and 27 per cent growth in earnings and revenues in 2007-08.
Inflation in input costs, rising interest rates and slackening growth in user industries have put the sector fundamentals at cross-roads. The cost of commodities such as steel, copper, coal and crude oil have skyrocketed in the last few months. And since most companies in the sector are mid- or small-sized, they don’t have significant pricing power to pass on the increases to users. So, depending on which user industry they cater to, capital goods companies may be in for challenging times ahead. Companies which predominantly cater to the auto industry, real estate and construction, may post tepid growth, as there is a discernible slowdown in demand from these users. Cummins India, Kirloskar Oil Engines, smaller construction equipment manufacturers such as Action Construction Equipment may figure in this category.
It however bears attention that most of the capital goods companies still enjoy healthy order-books and so far, have not reported any worrying slowdown in earnings or revenue growth.
Preferred picks: Companies that serve industries such as coal, mining, oil or power, which are expected to see healthy growth, may fare much better. Thermax, Elecon Engineering, AIA Engineering and Aban Offshore are some of the companies with relatively stronger prospects. Also, companies with a diverse user segment or a sizeable export presence may merit investment, on a case-by-case basis. Carborundum Universal, Praj Industries and companies such as Titagarh Wagons and Texmaco that cater to the Indian Railways can also be considered for investments. The steel pipe maker, PSL given its dominant domestic presence and Welspun Gujarat Stahl Rohren, which has a huge export exposure also appear attractive investment candidates.
Source: BL
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Posted By: experteye
Date Posted: 15/Jun/2008 at 10:46am
possibility of less than 10 percent growth for next few years.All the stocks may test their lows at different times.It is just my view.
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Posted By: master
Date Posted: 16/Jun/2008 at 9:26pm
Next few years --- Lows yes, and highs too.
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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 20/Mar/2009 at 9:05pm
http://moneycontrol.com/mccode/news/article/news_article.php?autono=389641&special=today - Another Arora 's take on capital goods sector.
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Posted By: master
Date Posted: 21/Feb/2010 at 8:44pm
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