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The Investing Secrets of the Rich!

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Topic: The Investing Secrets of the Rich!
Posted By: omshivaya
Subject: The Investing Secrets of the Rich!
Date Posted: 19/Oct/2007 at 3:22am

The Investing Secrets of the Richest Man the World Has Ever Known

"Do you know the only thing that gives me pleasure? It's to see my dividends coming in." Who said that? Some destitute retiree in Florida?

Nope. None other than oil man John D. Rockefeller, the wealthiest man the world has ever known. On inflation-adjusted terms, Rockefeller's early-20th-century fortune is estimated by Forbes to be more than $300 billion today -- roughly five times the wealth of today's richest man, Carlos Slim.

Making money
John D. Rockefeller had two goals in life:
  1. Make $100,000.
  2. Live to be 100 years old.

While he failed to achieve the second goal (by just 26 months), he satisfied the first goal more than one thousand times over.

Rockefeller quickly learned that the fastest and easiest way to make money was to sell "real" products that every household needed. When he discovered that crude oil could be refined into kerosene, a high-quality illuminating oil for lamps (automobiles and their need for gasoline would come later), Rockefeller saw the opportunity to help every U.S. family light up its house and jumped into the oil business in 1863.

By 1880, he was in control of 95% of U.S. oil production. His company, Standard Oil, was a model of cost efficiency and vertical integration that controlled every stage of oil production, refining, and distribution. By age 41, Rockefeller realized that he knew how to make tons of money:

I believe the power to make money is a gift from God -- just as are the instincts for art, music, literature, the doctor's talent, yours to be developed and used to the best of our ability for the good of mankind. Having been endowed with the gift I possess, I believe it is my duty to make money and still more money.

One decision can guarantee wealth
Rockefeller gave up control of the day-to-day operations of Standard Oil in 1896, but he made one decision upon his departure that assured he would spend the remaining 41 years of his life an extremely wealthy man: He held on to his Standard Oil shares and the dividends they provided.

Year in and year out, he collected Standard Oil dividend checks and enjoyed steady capital appreciation from the stock, up until the day he died.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1911 that antitrust law required Standard Oil to be broken up into smaller, independent companies. Among the "baby Standards" that still exist are ExxonMobil (NYSE: http://quote.fool.com/summary.aspx?s=XOM - XOM ) and Chevron (NYSE: http://quote.fool.com/summary.aspx?s=CVX - CVX ). If not for that court ruling, Standard Oil would be worth more than $1 trillion today.

Rich people stay real
Real products -- like oil -- generate real cash from current-day customers, and companies can distribute that cash as dividends to shareholders. Unlike earnings or corporate cash flow, which can be faked or frittered away by management, dividend cash is yours to keep.

http://www.fool.com/investing/dividends-income/2007/09/01/the-secrets-of-9-figure-fortunes.aspx - The super-rich have always known that dividend-paying stocks consistently outperform nondividend-paying stocks over the long term. According to Wharton finance professor Jeremy Siegel, 97% of the total after-inflation return of stocks between 1871 and 2003 came from reinvesting dividends. Only 3% came from capital gains!

Invest like the best
Rockefeller, by means of his "gift for making money," must have sensed this dividend bonanza long before academic research proved it. What would John D. Rockefeller invest in today if he were still alive? Impossible to say for sure, but oil stocks are a good bet.

In fact, the Rockefeller family fortune today is invested in a trust called Rockefeller Financial Services. The trust holds a large slug of energy stocks. Below are five of the trust's most recent buys, all of which are reasonably priced and pay dividends.

Company

P/E Ratio

Dividend Yield

ConocoPhillips (NYSE: http://quote.fool.com/summary.aspx?s=COP - COP )

12.7

1.9%

Marathon Oil (NYSE: http://quote.fool.com/summary.aspx?s=MRO - MRO )

8.1

1.8%

Occidental Petroleum (NYSE: http://quote.fool.com/summary.aspx?s=OXY - OXY )

11.8

1.6%

Halliburton (NYSE: http://quote.fool.com/summary.aspx?s=HAL - HAL )

11.9

1.0%

Apache (NYSE: http://quote.fool.com/summary.aspx?s=APA - APA )

13.0

0.7%

Source: Stockpickr.com.

Obviously, real wealth cannot be achieved simply by picking any old dividend-paying stock. You have to pick the cream of the crop -- stocks that exhibit most, if not all, of the following market-beating characteristics:

1. Great management: Management background, corporate governance, and strong insider ownership are key drivers of operational (and stock) returns.

2. Financial fortitude: Companies that are solid financially -- strong enough to keep themselves afloat through good times and bad -- are most likely to keep their dividend promises for years to come.

3. Competitive advantage: Companies that are low-cost providers or offer unique products that are incapable of being copied are highly profitable and are sure-fire winning investments for the long term.

Source: http://www.fool.com/investing/dividends-income/2007/10/16/the-investing-secrets-of-the-richest-man-the-world.aspx - http://www.fool.com/investing/dividends-income/2007/10/16/the-investing-secrets-of-the-richest-man-the-world.aspx
 


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The most important quality for an investor is temperament,not intellect.A temperament that neither derives great pleasure from being with the crowd nor against it



Replies:
Posted By: WallSt
Date Posted: 19/Oct/2007 at 3:41am
Omjee:

Quick Q r u located in US? I am sure u r not posting this at  3. AM in India. Anyway great to see someone is surfing fool.com, actually I was surfing fool.com at same time.

BTW If you are onling can u answer my Q I have asked related to online trading here...
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1277&PN=3

Thx..
r




Posted By: aloksahi1971
Date Posted: 19/Oct/2007 at 10:32am
Just for the asking Omjee, what shold be the target in stocks and bonds for a person who wants to retire by 45 and live off the incremental wealth and divident. Yes it must cater to the mundane Indian expenses as childs marrige too.


Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2007 at 1:46pm

There would come a time when one would need to protect the wealth, that one has created thru stocks.

Firstly, 150 times of monthly income can be put aside in a debt fund!
At this point, 2-3 good and strong companies(largecap) with an expected growth rate of 15% easily for next 10-20 years should be invested into. These companies should also have a somewhat good dividend yield(0.6% or more) and a good bonus-giving track record.
 
And everything depends on the expenses actually Alok jee, but with an expense of let's say 30,000 rupees a month and retirement at 45(life-expectanCy Of 85), you should have a kitty of around 4 crore rupees to be on the safe side.
 
{I have assumed inflation-adjusted expense per year of 6%)
 
Though I am no expert, hope this helps!


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The most important quality for an investor is temperament,not intellect.A temperament that neither derives great pleasure from being with the crowd nor against it


Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2007 at 1:55pm
Laksha says
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Quick Q r u located in US?
Nopes. I am a desi, posting from the Des!

BTW If you are onling can u answer my Q I have asked related to online trading here...
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1277&PN=3
ICICI direct charges as much as 1.75% for certain transactions I have seen sometimes, I THINK! Go for HDFC Secs. ICICI sucks big time! There is nothing special/great that ICICI provides that you can't get anywhere better in HDFC.


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The most important quality for an investor is temperament,not intellect.A temperament that neither derives great pleasure from being with the crowd nor against it


Posted By: aloksahi1971
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2007 at 4:23pm

Thats a fair assesment OM jee, but how does one overcome fear in market conditions like the past 4 days.Even a good corpus shows the notinal profit become smaller by the hour.

As far as expenses go it seems after giving it a thought will rise at retirement at 45 as one will have more time to plan lesure holidays.Best is to stick to the diciplined life for as long as it takes and keep investeng in the TED stocks!!!!


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2007 at 4:31pm
WHat 1.75%? That is what brokers used to charge for Bombay trades in 1992!!!

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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2007 at 4:42pm
Om ji - I am a ICICIdirect customer for several several years -
It charges MAXIMUM of 0.75% and NOT 1.75% !
 
See here to believe it !
        
http://content.icicidirect.com/Brokerage.asp - http://content.icicidirect.com/Brokerage.asp
http://content.icicidirect.com/mailimages/feeschedule.htm - http://content.icicidirect.com/mailimages/feeschedule.htm
   
 
As a sweetener than these rates, nowadays i subscribe to their CLEAR VALUE DEALS (CVD)
http://content.icicidirect.com/mailimages/FAQS.htm - http://content.icicidirect.com/mailimages/FAQS.htm
 
You can choose which CVD you want to have - ON A QUARTERLY BASIS ..
And the effective brokerage works out to be around 0.49% or lesser based on the volumes !
 


Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2007 at 5:33pm
Uh Oh! I am extremely sorry. I meant 0.75%, not 1.75%, for an investor. My bad!
 
I have no idea for anyone who trades regularly.


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The most important quality for an investor is temperament,not intellect.A temperament that neither derives great pleasure from being with the crowd nor against it


Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2007 at 5:41pm
No issues - i understand you wont blame ICICI unneccesarily - coz your heart is pure !
   
By the way, what happened to your ICICI Debit card - did you get it finally ?   Seems you are still a unhappy customer of ICICI !  Confirm please !
    
Another case, where i want to wear my shareholder hat and NOT customer hat !
     
If you default on any of ICICI rules like minimum 5000 Rs in their saving account - i have heard they charge you like hell ! Similiarly credit card defaulters are also charged like hell by ICICI !!
 
Good for their shareholders to have such fee based income ...
But bad for their customers if they default...
If they dont default, you can have every new scheme available to ICICI customer first !
The Bank of many firsts !!
 


Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2007 at 5:53pm
You mean me prosperity sir..
 
Well if yes, sure I have the ICICI Debit card but I dont use any cards as I dont purchase anything.
 
And yes ICICI milks you real bad...I know this at least for Current accounts if the quarterly balance is below the minimum limit. But rules are rules, what to do!


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The most important quality for an investor is temperament,not intellect.A temperament that neither derives great pleasure from being with the crowd nor against it


Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2007 at 6:02pm
A person from Chennai and settled in Delhi -
And someone said to him that he wants to have last word on everything -
Hence i was expecting his reply, even his reply to this very post LOL
 
HAPPY RAM NAOMI !!
 


Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2007 at 6:23pm
Hahahaha! Actually HE SAID to the someone what you just said.
Anyhow doesn't matter...it's all good as long as the atmosphere is jolly like now. Thank you for taking it in the right spirit prosperity jee.
 
And Thank you very much Prosperity jee for "Ram Naomi". To you too...A big "Happy Ram Naomi". Jai Shri Ram, Jai Sita Mata, Jai Hanuman!!!


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The most important quality for an investor is temperament,not intellect.A temperament that neither derives great pleasure from being with the crowd nor against it


Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2007 at 6:27pm
Om ji,   Is this you ?
http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/messageboardblog/17/56/boarders/6f6d73686976617961 - http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/messageboardblog/17/56/boarders/6f6d73686976617961
 


Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2007 at 6:40pm
No prosperity jee that's not me My intro. is there on TED. Why?LOL
 
Did you do a search on http://www.google.com - www.google.com  hehehe!


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The most important quality for an investor is temperament,not intellect.A temperament that neither derives great pleasure from being with the crowd nor against it


Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2007 at 6:49pm
This guy is also bullish on the same stocks ... co-incidentally !!
Nucleus, Yes, *18 !
 


Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 20/Oct/2007 at 6:54pm
Really! And what's his name? It's a small world after all.

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The most important quality for an investor is temperament,not intellect.A temperament that neither derives great pleasure from being with the crowd nor against it


Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 21/Oct/2007 at 5:42am
This thread doesn't warrant my comment. Cry Cry Cry


Posted By: Janak.merchant1
Date Posted: 12/Mar/2008 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by basant

WHat 1.75%? That is what brokers used to charge for Bombay trades in 1992!!!
 
Yes Basant, I have been a sub broker from 1989 to 2003 end. Brokerage rates used to high high till 2.5%.
 
Also during that time many big ones used to manipulate the results news.
 
Best wishes


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I love my money, not my opinion. So i am ready and willing to change my opinion for the sake of protecting my money.



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