About hot stocks and not so hot returns!
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Topic: About hot stocks and not so hot returns!
Posted By: deepinsight
Subject: About hot stocks and not so hot returns!
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 4:28pm
Basantji:
I am inputing here an article which appeared in FT. It talks about some lessons learnt (investment philosophy). Do you think we can extract some lessons for the indian context? Many mantras and ideas "buy and hold" investing in "long term trends", valuations. etc. all are relevant ideas but can fail if not applied correctly...
Whitney Tilson: Hot favourites won’t always turn out to be great winners
By Whitney Tilson
Published: September 14 2007 15:50 | Last updated: September 14 2007 15:50
Perfect foresight is impossible in the complicated and dynamic world of investing. Even the best investors typically turn out to be wrong – meaning they don’t beat a risk-free rate of return – on 30-40 per cent of the investments they make. That’s perfectly fine – if your winners on average also go up more than your losers go down, you can build an outstanding record over time.
The fallibility of investment foresight came to mind recently when I revisited a feature article in Fortune magazine that appeared in the summer of 2000 under the ambitious headline “10 Stocks to Last the Decade”. As the table (below) indicates, a portfolio of this august group has tumbled 39 per cent since the article ran, versus a meagre, but positive, 3.5 per cent gain for the broader market as measured by the Russell 3000 index.
Stocks to last the decade? Here’s how each of the Fortune picks would have fared had you bought on July 19, 2000 and held through September 7, 2007 % |
Broadcom |
-78.1 |
Charles Schwabb |
-44.9 |
Enron |
-100.0 |
Genentech |
110.7 |
Morgan Stanley |
-17.2 |
Nokia |
-36.1 |
Nortel |
-97.8 |
Oracle |
-45.3 |
Univision |
-36.0 |
Viacom |
-49.2 |
Average |
-39.4 |
Russell 3000 (No dividends) |
3.5 |
Source: Value Investor Insight |
Optimists might point out that Fortune was picking stocks to last a full 10 years, and we’re only three-quarters of the way there. Fair enough. But this “buy-and-forget” portfolio – Fortune’s term – will have to rise 19 per cent a year for the remainder of the decade since the article ran, just to get back to break-even. That’s quite a bit of ground to cover just to notch a 0 per cent 10-year gain.
I raise this not to ridicule Fortune, which is consistently one of the smartest and best-written business publications. Rather, there are many worthy lessons here, of which I’ll point out just a few.
Never underestimate the competition. The main premise of the article was the identification of winners that would capitalise on “four sweeping trends that have the potential to transform the economy”. Charles Schwab was chosen as the prime beneficiary of one such trend, the “boomerisation” of financial services. While Schwab has acquitted itself well as a beneficiary of this clear trend, the profitability of doing so hasn’t been what was once imagined, as competitors have driven trading commissions ever lower.
Valuation matters. Guess what the average price/earnings ratio was of the stocks on Fortune’s list. 30x? 40x? Such ratios were for wimps in mid-2000. How about a nice round 100x? As Jeremy Siegel writes in The Future for Investors: “The long-term return on a stock depends not on the actual growth of its earnings, but on the difference between its actual earnings growth and the growth that investors expected.” That’s something to remember every time you buy a stock, especially if you’re betting on “sweeping trends”.
Buy-and-hold isn’t what it used to be. I’d be the last to recommend frequent trading and, in fact, believe some of the greatest inefficiencies in the market result from investors’ collective short-term orientation and tendency to overreact to news. But “buying-and- forgetting” in a world economy roiled by change is an increasingly risky proposition. With its powerful media and entertainment brands, for example, Viacom appeared poised to thrive in an increasingly wired and interconnected world. What was harder to foresee was the havoc new distribution channels would wreak on Viacom’s traditional business models. Now split into two pieces, Viacom and CBS, an investment in the company in the summer of 2000 would have lost nearly half its value.
To this last point on buying and holding, the funds I co-manage have recently sold several long positions, driven by our belief that the odds of a significant market correction over the next year have increased substantially. We’re not predicting Armageddon, but we think the subprime train wreck is in its early stages and could have substantial effects on the world economy and credit markets.
In light of this more cautious outlook we went through our portfolio, analysing each position and asking ourselves, “If our fund were 100 per cent cash today, would we buy this stock?” During times when our outlook is more sanguine, we sometimes hold 80-cent dollars – typically either in stocks that we purchased as 50-cent dollars and are waiting until they reach our estimate of intrinsic value, or in high-quality, growing businesses that are moderately undervalued, which we’re happy to own in lieu of cash at certain times. But in today’s environment, we prefer cash to anything but pound-the-table-with- conviction stocks.
As a result of this exercise, we’ve closed or reduced positions in great companies such as Microsoft, Costco, Wal-Mart and Anheuser-Busch.
Among the highest-conviction stocks on which we’re now more concentrated are: Target, McDonald’s, Fairfax Financial and – my personal pick to “last the next decade” – Berkshire Hathaway.
The writer is a money manager.
http://www.ft.com/servicestools/help/copyright - Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 4:54pm
Very interesting article. Whitney Tilson is a great fan of m/s Buffet & Munger. His writings are worth readings including his notes on Berkshire & Wesco AGMs. His website: www.tilsonfunds.com
Now coming to the list of stocks, I have a small query: What if someone had bought some of these stocks in 2003/4 after their correction when the sentiment was low as compared to euphoria of 2000?
Buffet, Pabrai & such investors advise avoiding companies that are expected to face 'sweeping change' in their area of operation.
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Posted By: deepinsight
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 5:25pm
Originally posted by kulman
Very interesting article. Whitney Tilson is a great fan of m/s Buffet & Munger. His writings are worth readings including his notes on Berkshire & Wesco AGMs. His website: www.tilsonfunds.com
Now coming to the list of stocks, I have a small query: What if someone had bought some of these stocks in 2003/4 after their correction when the sentiment was low as compared to euphoria of 2000?
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Kulmanji: the reason I brought this article here is because we presently may have companies in our portfolios which benfit from some great trends but maybe overvalued and face competition bringing down margins etc. not giving us great returns.
Obviously if someone had the fortitude to buy when the sentiment was low and valuations were 90 % off - it would be similar to people buying the India story in 2002/2003 they would be up massively.
The main point I would like to extract some lessons so that we do not let our gaurd down in our own portfolio's and let loose thinking or biases bring our returns down.
------------- "Investing is simple, but not easy." - Warren Buffet
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 5:40pm
to extract some lessons so that we do not let our gaurd down in our own portfolio's and let loose thinking or biases bring our returns down.
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Got it Deepinsight.
Let's hear from other TEDdies on this.
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 5:47pm
Alas, if people could give up their biases.......
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 6:35pm
While I have to confirm to the title of this thread viewing things in hindsight is a big problem. I would have been excited if someone had put in these comments when these stocks were initially recommended in 2000.
I would like to quote the same example again. Unitech, Pantaloon are two stocks where the crowd has never agreed on and still they have continued to move along now had they faltered and dropped these investors would have been given the same lessons.
Competitive pricing, entry of new players etc are terms which look excellent to debate on but it is very difficult to forecast on them. When Bharti was at Rs 20 we all screamed that Reliance will gobble it up it is now at Rs 800!!!
Personally I like to be with the sector leaders because the pain is always lower with them. If tier III software stocks fell 99% in 2000 Infy fell just 40% so for someone who was invested just ahead of the curve he would have done well.
It does not take too long to identify the sector leader. This theory does not apply in banking though where it is not essential to be with the sector leader.
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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 6:44pm
Fortune had recommended Enron?
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 6:49pm
well, the author is trying to extrapolate so he has to use the past statistic. As far as Infy goes, those who invested at the peak had to wait for 7 years to get their price...same goes with the sector leader like HLL. Sectoral Leadership is a very dynamic thing......investing in monopolies is a decent strategy but only at a price.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 6:53pm
Basant jee....Points noted.
Here are some queries:
- Going by that list in the article, there are many sector leaders like Nokia, M-Stanley, Oracle, Viacom etc...Yes, sure the pain would be less in leaders comparatively.
- Coming to the title of thread, would you rather say that avoiding "flavour of the season" or rather buying "out of favour" good businesses is the best strategy? That way one could pay less to get more thereby increasing margin of safety.
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 8:16pm
A better topic can be 'sometimes buying something which you dont see also pays"-An antithesis to Peter Lynch.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 8:41pm
Originally posted by kulman
Basant jee....Points noted.
Here are some queries:
- Going by that list in the article, there are many sector leaders like Nokia, M-Stanley, Oracle, Viacom etc...Yes, sure the pain would be less in leaders comparatively.
- Coming to the title of thread, would you rather say that avoiding "flavour of the season" or rather buying "out of favour" good businesses is the best strategy? That way one could pay less to get more thereby increasing margin of safety.
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No, the biggest money is made in the flavour of the season also. It is all a question of PE and growth and estimating that growth, giving time to companies, trying to differentiate between their jargon and the reality etc etc.
Contra investing is generally assumed to mean as buying anything that has not gone up which to me is something like buying the dogs of the dow or the laggards.
Now if someone had tried to be smart and bought HUL,HP,BP,ONGC,GAIl as a contra startegy he would have lagged the investor who had bet on LT, ABB, BHEL etc.
Many would say that investing in cap goods is flavour but what if someone had invested in 2005 they were the flavour then also since the rally started in 2003. Personally I feel the best contra strategy is to buy good growth stocks that no one has bought so that when the growth becomes prominent and the bigger boys get in we can get out.
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Posted By: deepinsight
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 9:32pm
The main points of learning for me are:
Price Matters: Try not to overpay for growth: if you do – one needs to be extra convinced about the durability of its growth. In the article they talked about p/e of 100. Also your early buying price cannot be an excuse to hold a fundamentally detoriateing expensive story.
Durable growth is rarer than assumed- Monitor consciously the durability of the edge: competition, technology, changes in regulatory environment, macro changes etc. can decrease margins/growth and change one’s investment thesis.
Don’t overpay for leaders: buying highly valued leaders is no defense. All companies mentioned here were leaders in their respective fields. Maybe the lesson is to buy the leaders before they are recognized/highly valued or buy growth at reasonable prices. Also returns may be higher from the unsung heroes who can sustain growth.
------------- "Investing is simple, but not easy." - Warren Buffet
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 11:35pm
Originally posted by deepinsight
The main points of learning for me are:
Price Matters: Try not to overpay for growth: if you do – one needs to be extra convinced about the durability of its growth. In the article they talked about p/e of 100. Also your early buying price cannot be an excuse to hold a fundamentally detoriateing expensive story.
Durable growth is rarer than assumed- Monitor consciously the durability of the edge: competition, technology, changes in regulatory environment, macro changes etc. can decrease margins/growth and change one’s investment thesis.
Don’t overpay for leaders: buying highly valued leaders is no defense. All companies mentioned here were leaders in their respective fields. Maybe the lesson is to buy the leaders before they are recognized/highly valued or buy growth at reasonable prices. Also returns may be higher from the unsung heroes who can sustain growth.
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Excellent summation deepinsight......never overpay for growth and stuff like that.....which in my parlance is dont be a sky-gazer.....whats the point in having a 1-crore bagger and losing it all by getting out of it and reinvesting in a dud.....ITS YOUR FINAL INVESTMENT AT THE HEIGHT OF THE BULL MARKET THAT WILL DEFINE WHETHER YOU ARE HERE FOR AN INNINGS OR FOR A LONG TERM.......
As far competition goes, I beleive the biggest factor that acts as a barrier to the competition is the size of the company in relation to the market. Service sector companies face difficulty in erecting that barrier, however by branding strength they can do so.
Your 3rd point is most valid........
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 12:22pm
Deepinsight....
Isn't it like that GARP (Growth at Reasonable Price) concept?
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Posted By: deepinsight
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 1:04am
Originally posted by kulman
Deepinsight....
Isn't it like that GARP (Growth at Reasonable Price) concept? |
It is about GARP with a wraper around it.
How to keep a sharp focus on Growth and the underlying fundamentals.
How to recheck our story of assumed growth (it has to endure also economic slow downs)
How to think about stocks whose prices may have run up.
How to not let go our gaurd on the fundamentals even if we have held a multibagger.
------------- "Investing is simple, but not easy." - Warren Buffet
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 1:30am
It is about GARP with a wraper around it.
How to keep a sharp focus on Growth and the underlying fundamentals.
How to recheck our story of assumed growth (it has to endure also economic slow downs)
How to think about stocks whose prices may have run up.
How to not let go our gaurd on the fundamentals even if we have held a multibagger.
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While thinking about this very seriously.....suddenly I found an answer which was at the bottom of your message: "Investing is simple, but not easy." 
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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 1:44am
Wow Kulmanjee,, sahi jawab !!
BTW, deepinsightjee, ye sawalonke jawab dhoondte dhoondte to puri umar gujar jayegi !!
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Posted By: deepinsight
Date Posted: 19/Sep/2007 at 1:58pm
Originally posted by kulman
It is about GARP with a wraper around it.
How to keep a sharp focus on Growth and the underlying fundamentals.
How to recheck our story of assumed growth (it has to endure also economic slow downs)
How to think about stocks whose prices may have run up.
How to not let go our gaurd on the fundamentals even if we have held a multibagger.
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While thinking about this very seriously.....suddenly I found an answer which was at the bottom of your message: "Investing is simple, but not easy." 
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Kulmanji: aap ka jawab nahein!
By the way while investing is simple - its really not easy to keep it that way - my own journey had to deal with huge amount of complexity to come out simple again - defining what is "my play".
Now most of the efforts is in shapening as much as possible the nuances in "my play". Obviously it means saying no to many things (opportunity cost) but keeps me focused on what works (for me  ).
BTW the questions above are rhetorical - meant to create food for thought - so that we remain sharp & be willing to question our own assumpations.
Cheers
------------- "Investing is simple, but not easy." - Warren Buffet
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Posted By: deepinsight
Date Posted: 19/Sep/2007 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by India_Bull
Wow Kulmanjee,, sahi jawab !!
BTW, deepinsightjee, ye sawalonke jawab dhoondte dhoondte to puri umar gujar jayegi !!
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India_Bull - Itni bhee kya jaldi jab jeena hai barso?
more seriously, to make better decisions (buy, hold, sell) we have to be willing to question our thesis and processes - its the only way to keep improving.
------------- "Investing is simple, but not easy." - Warren Buffet
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 19/Sep/2007 at 6:41pm
....BTW the questions above are rhetorical - meant to create food for thought - so that we remain sharp & be willing to question our own assumpations....
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You are right about it. That old management principle of PDCA (Plan-Do-Check-Act) on a continuous basis applies everywhere, doesn't it?
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 25/Apr/2009 at 7:12am
Check http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/iw/2009/04/26/stories/2009042650500700.htm - this out!!!!!!
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Posted By: nishachara
Date Posted: 09/Aug/2009 at 8:54pm
Hi I have invested in Crane software, what is TED members opinion, is there any one who has studied this stock in detail?
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Posted By: hit2710
Date Posted: 09/Aug/2009 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by nishachara
HiI have invested in Crane software, what is TED members opinion, is there any one who has studied this stock in detail?
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Cranes has many niche software products for the scientific research like SYSTAT, NISA,SIGMAPLOT etc etc. EPS for fy09 was around 10 and hence available at a pe of around 4 for ttm.
But the problem with the stock is the overhang of high fii holding of around 40 %. It is a good stock recently out of favour with the market. The positive is the company has recently shifted its office to its owned premises which would save a lot of money paid for rentals by the company.
I had earlier invested the company but it is a very frustrating stock because even with good fundamentals, the stock lags behind the market in roaring bull markets.
Hence it will require a lot of patience on your part to make good returns. Downsides in my opinion is very limited from current levels of around 40 odd.
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 09/Aug/2009 at 12:14pm
On Crane software....any idea if the company has a huge debt burden?
Whenever i see this stock...that seems to be the overwhelming fact standing out.....
Update:
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/cranes-software-set-to-raise-rs-300-cr/364186/ - http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/cranes-software-set-to-raise-rs-300-cr/364186/
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Posted By: hit2710
Date Posted: 09/Aug/2009 at 10:21am
Originally posted by subu76
On Crane software....any idea if the company has a huge debt burden?
Whenever i see this stock...that seems to be the overwhelming fact standing out.....
Update:
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/cranes-software-set-to-raise-rs-300-cr/364186/ - http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/cranes-software-set-to-raise-rs-300-cr/364186/ |
The company has had debt equity ratio of more than one since past 3-4 years which for a software company is not very good because there are a lot of other software companies with cash per share and still showing good growth.
I feel there are plenty of good small and midcap software companies with good cash in their balance sheet as compared to Cranes Software. Case in point being Kpit , Nucleus etc.
------------- Stockmarket is a weird place. For every person who buys a stock there is a person who sells it and both think they are very smart.
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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 10/Aug/2009 at 6:59pm
On paper, Crane's business model is brilliant. Buyout a product from a developer or a small company, modify/add features to the product with the help of the developer & crane's technical team and market it through its worldwide sales network.
But they seem to have taken a lot of debt to make such acquisitions.
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Posted By: chimak10
Date Posted: 10/Aug/2009 at 7:17pm
Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 1:16am
Crane software seems to be in it's final legs now....A 130 rs stock is now at rs 4-5.
We had discussed about it's high leverage and not so sound business plan earlier and now the chickens have come home to roost.
This one is a Bangalore based company
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 6:16am
A friend who is a big investor had a position in this and kept recommending it when it was at Rs 100. Would you suggest that this makes sense now?
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Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 10:33am
You can punt to double your money or so. But not as an investment.
Unlike manufcturing industry IT industry assets (people) are not tied to the company. All it may have is IP for some products and if they can find a buyer for the same.
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2011 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by basant
A friend who is a big investor had a position in this and kept recommending it when it was at Rs 100. Would you suggest that this makes sense now? |
Hi Basant Sir,
A dodgy bad balance sheet and promoter holding of only 6% makes the company risky.
If an acquirer emerges then things could spice up but how can one bet on that.
Not sure what happened to the FCCBs (goes to show even top bankers do not get the IT industry)
Please note: the company was recently barred from NSE
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2011 at 8:05pm
Ok, I asked just out of curiosity.
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Posted By: wiseowl
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2011 at 10:06pm
Hoping for good times for Cranes Software would be similar to "watering the weeds".
Apart from the issues discussed above, the company has a load of other problems as well.
See :
http://expressbuzz.com/cities/bangalore/cranes-software-no-pay-since-march-2009/204090.html
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 17/Aug/2011 at 11:31pm
Crane is now at 3 bucks and is priced for bankruptcy. Offcourse, it's safe to avoid such companies but I'm wondering if the company will really go bankrupt (can the FCCB holder really invoke winding up procedures easily)
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Posted By: rapidriser
Date Posted: 17/Aug/2011 at 7:44am
Originally posted by subu76
Crane is now at 3 bucks and is priced for bankruptcy. Offcourse, it's safe to avoid such companies but I'm wondering if the company will really go bankrupt (can the FCCB holder really invoke winding up procedures easily) |
Khorakiwalas of Wockhardt have managed to keep their debt holders at bay by (mis)using the inefficiencies of the Indian legal system to drag the winding up proceedings, while bargaining hard with their creditors.
The difference between Wockhardt and Cranes is that the former's underlying business is still a viable one whereas the latter's sales have fallen off a cliff after their peak in FY-2009.
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 17/Aug/2011 at 10:23am
Thanks. The system misuse point is what i's referring to but your latter point is what i missed. Fine...so I don't need to waste any cycles thinking about this one at all
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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 18/Aug/2011 at 12:05pm
Pyramid Saimira went bankrupt, but I'm not sure if it is because of its debt.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 18/Aug/2011 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by smartcat
Pyramid Saimira went bankrupt, but I'm not sure if it is because of its debt. |
What are the other ways of going bankrupt?
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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 18/Aug/2011 at 3:50pm
Originally posted by basant
What are the other ways of going bankrupt? |
Not sure about companies, but some Governments can become morally bankrupt - like the one we have at the centre!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 18/Aug/2011 at 3:56pm
Originally posted by smartcat
Originally posted by basant
What are the other ways of going bankrupt? |
Not sure about companie!s, but some Governments can become morally bankrupt - like the one we have at the centre! |
That is truly a smart answer from a smart cat 
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Posted By: vijayM
Date Posted: 19/Aug/2011 at 9:31pm
samrtcat ji,
your cat avatar was really nice. Why did you change that?
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 23/Nov/2011 at 8:42pm
Crane is now a 2 buck stock....Wonder is BSE has a price limit post which stocks get automatically delisted.
Post the dot com bubble (or rather rubble) many companies had to do reverse splits....
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