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Topic: HDFC- Huge value unlocking from subsidiary cos.
Posted By: basant
Subject: HDFC- Huge value unlocking from subsidiary cos.
Date Posted: 05/Aug/2006 at 1:15pm

HDFC - Huge value unlocking from subsidiaries

 

HDFC (CMP Rs 1245) is a shareholder’s dream company. Deepak Pareikh the chairman of HDFC is considered the smartest financial minds around. While HDFC is known more as a mortgage lender the inherent value of business that this company holds is oblivious to the general investor.

 

 

The break up of the joint family system and the movement of people away from their ancestral homes in search of better jobs created huge demand for housing in the early 1990’s. While HDFC was quick to capitalize on this opportunity by extending housing finance the sheer pace of sustained growth at 25% to 30% for a major part of the last decade has created huge shareholder wealth. A snap shot of the company’s financial reflect the following:

 

Market price

1245

RoE

28.8%

Market Capitalization

Rs 31,075 crores

Book value

186

Sustainable Growth

25%

Inherent value of subsidiaries

532 (Read note below)

EPS Fy 07 (E)

Rs 60.00

PE Fy 07

20.75

Value of core business

733(1245 – 532)

PE ratio of the core business

12.23

Overall PEG

0.83

PEG Fy 07 on core business

0.49

Book value

186

Price to Adjusted book

6.69 times.

 

Key highlights:

 

  • Excellent management. Deepak Pareikh is a pioneer in the Indian Banking  Industry
  • Huge scope for housing loan companies. Mortgages contribute to only 3% of GDP in India whereas it is 10-15% in South east Asian economies and about 50% in the US.
  • Very high RoE of around 30%. HDFC has been expanding its RoE by almost 1% each year. Other ratios like the return on assets at 3% with a more then 2% spread are also very attractive..
  • Inspite of a very high dividend pay out (40% of EPS) HDFC will continue to record a CAGR of more then 25%.
  • Excellent loan portfolio with near 0% NPA.
  • Unlike Banks HDFC has to maintain SLR only on public deposits
  • Diluted equity only once over the past 10 years
  • Huge value in subsidiaries which is yet to be unlocked.

Over the last decade HDFC has made significant investments in banking, insurance, BPO and AMC. Most of these businesses are now achieving traction and growing faster then the normal mortgage business of the parent. For HDFC earnings have continued to grow at above 25% and above for the past five years while these related diversifications show higher growth.

 

Subsidiary businesses

Value of HDFC’s holding

Value per share

HDFC Bank

Rs 5516 crores

221

Insurance

Rs 6000 crores

120

Mutual Fund Business

Rs 700 crores

28

Unbooked Treasury gains

Rs 700 crores

28

Intelenet

Rs 640 crores

13

Total value as on today

Add 30% for the growth this year

Value of subsidiary on one year forward basis

Rs 410

Rs122

Rs 532

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Note :Investors could argue that valuation of subsidiaries held by parent companies are reflected at a discount to market price. But since I have not calculated the value of unlisted entities the same could be offset by that.

 

HDFC Bank: HDFC holds 22.2% stake in HDFC Bank. On a present market capitalization of Rs 24,850 crores for HDFC Bank this stake works out to Rs 5516 crore for HDFC. For each of the 24.96 crore equity shares of HDFC the same works out to Rs 221 per share.

 

Insurance: HDFC Standard Life grew at more then 130% last year and will report a growth of 75% this year. Like all other private sector insurance companies the venture is still reporting losses. After the initial supernormal growth phase the new business for HDFC Standard Life could show a secular CAGR growth of 25%+. Brokerages like Motilal Oswal have valued the Insurance business at of Rs 6,000 crores. Since it is estimated that HDFC will finally hold only 50% in this venture the value per share for each of the 24.91 crore shares of HDFC works out to be (Rs 6,000 crores/24.91 x 50%).Rs 120 per share

 

I have assigned a 50% value to HDFC since the investment bankers opine that HDFC’s final shareholding pattern in HDFC Standard Life would be 50% only.

 

AMC: HDFC AMC should be valued at 7% of Assets under management. The assets under management have a higher equity component equity component.. Assuming a total AUM of Rs 20,000 crores HDFC’s stake will be valued at Rs 700 crores. This gives us a per share value of Rs 28 for the mutual fund business.

 

Unrealized gains in the Investment portfolio: The HDFC management had stated that it is sitting on Rs 700 crores of unrealized gains arising from its holding in listed companies only. This figure does not include gains from price appreciation in unlisted businesses like Chalet Hotels, ILFS, HDFC Chubb and HDFC Venture Fund. The net gain from listed businesses amounts to about Rs 28 per share.

 

Intelenet: Motilal Oswal has valued Intelenet at 20 times FY06E earrings. The company grew by 100% in the previous year and at that valuation Intelenet should be worth around Rs640 crore.. The value for HDFC’s stake comes to around Rs320 crores which for each of the 24.91 crore outstanding shares of HDFC comes to about Rs 13 per share

 

Recommendation: Investors trying to create a diversified broad based portfolio should buy HDFC. The stock has the potential to go up by 8 to 10 times in the next decade. Very rarely investors get stocks which they can buy and forget. HDFC is one of them.

                    

       Source: Exchange websites & Brokerage reports

 

 



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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 05/Aug/2006 at 1:24pm
Perhaps one of the most exciting article I have ever come across.Also, Mr. Basant, even though you are assuming that HDFC will divest and keep just 50 p.c. of the holding on some of the subsidiaries, it is going to get proceds from such divestment. What about that??


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 05/Aug/2006 at 1:50pm
Yes I have not counted that as the value of subsidiaries that we are calculating could be less. Parents never sell shares of subsidiaries so that is valued at less then market price. That could be set off there.


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Posted By: sajanvm
Date Posted: 05/Aug/2006 at 4:05pm

Basant: Fully endorse your views.  HDFC is one of my core hoildings to which I added during the recent carnage. What I find really impressive about the management is that they keep coming up with new revenue streams which pay off big time. For example, their recent foray into real estate mutual funds (they were the first entrant).

Also, they have a 50% stake in the Intelenet BPO with Barclays. They will take this public in the near future.
 
 


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Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 07/Aug/2006 at 9:52pm
this report stopped me selling hdfc for 10 years to come.


Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 01/Sep/2006 at 10:01am
will hdfc spinoff its other growing businessess like hdfc bank.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 01/Sep/2006 at 10:08am

Not sure on that but with Deepak Pareikh you can be sure that whatever he does it would result in shareholder wealth.



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 05/Sep/2006 at 11:39pm

Motilal Oswal in its recent report has reiterated a  buy on HDFC. Personally I think the HDFC twins are a jewels in a person's portfolio. These two stocks combinmed would grow 10 times over the next 10 years and investors should participate in these stocks with what ever percentage of their portfolio they wish to grow 10 times in 10 years.



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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 9:40pm

Hi Basant

HDFC is at alltime high currently 1435, is it worth buying at these levels ??
 
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 10:01pm
Tough one. If you want to buy for 3- 5 years no problem for shorter duration buy some and wait for declines (if it comes!!!)

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Posted By: vivekkumar_in
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 5:25am
My Take on this one is, it should not matter if a stock is making a 52 week high. I would rather treat it as a favourable aspect for picking that stock as it already as a momentum going on..
 
If a stock is breaking a 52 week high it only means the stock is going to have a new high... So who knows what the new high will be .. ride it on....
 
In fact there is a whole investment strategy which goes for credible companies making new 52 highs at good volumes (without news of splits,bonus,romors of mergers etc...).. The catch is to look between last week's 52 week highs and this week's52 week high and your stock should be making in this week's 52 week high list..
 
That is how I caught it Pantaloon Retail when it was making new highs at Rs 450 in Oct 2004 & Mcdowells when it was making new highs of Rs145 around Nov 2004...
 
We all know where their new highs are now ?


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 7:59am
I would be with you on this. In a study conducted somewhere it was deduced that the stocks which make a  52 week high are always great bets and outperform the market.
 
But that is just one reason HDFC should be a core holding of a diversified portfolio. It is like having a blue jeans in your wardrobe!


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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 27/Sep/2006 at 12:17pm
i would completely agree with you guys as if a stock is hitting 52-Week highs, even as the market trades below that, it shows that the stock is an outperformer.
 
BasantJi, one very very interesting thing is that Dow is near an all time High, with only 1 stock at an all time high (MSFT and Intel are 80% below their highs). Also there have been only 1 substitution in the Dow between 2000 and 2006. This seems as a mathematical impossiability but this is true. I would try and find the answer and pass it on.


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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 27/Sep/2006 at 2:31pm
Basant, if one were to choose one stock between HDFC and HDFC BANK,
which one would you suggest/recommend?

Or it too close a call, that its better to split the investment amount equally between the two of them?


Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 27/Sep/2006 at 2:46pm
Hi Basant
 
Tnxs & I have started buying HDFC in parts, as I told you last time that I wann shift my portofio from short term to long term investments.
 
Would you recommend me to sell Electrosteel CAstings & buy HDFC at current price ????


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Sep/2006 at 2:58pm
Basant, if one were to choose one stock between HDFC and HDFC BANK,
which one would you suggest/recommend
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HDFC is value with slightly less growth (25%)
 
HDFC Bank is solid growth 30%.
 
At these levels both have run up so buy only if you are making a 3 year portfolio. They would go higher up from here also but who knows it could correct by 20% in one jerk and we would not seem so smart then. Really very tough. I would split my money between these two and expect  a 10 bagger in 10 years!
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Sep/2006 at 3:04pm
ANy day anytime HDFC is better. Just not comparable.

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Sep/2006 at 3:25pm

Chic: If you are trying to give  a makeover to your portfolio try doing so withe the targetted tsocks that have not moved. The other ones could be added in smaller doses.



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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 27/Sep/2006 at 3:37pm
Thanks Basant, i have added HDFC to my watchlist and will track for entry oppurtunities.


Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 27/Sep/2006 at 8:35pm
Chirag, Couldnt understand the comaprision between electrosteel and HDFC. I beleive both are a must-have although you may assign different weightages.Electrosteel is an enigma but then it may give you a bump up all of a sudden. A very rare stock you are getting close to its Book Value with an excellent dividend yield.....Awaiting your comments.


Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 27/Sep/2006 at 10:27pm
Tnxs Vivek
Even I am in two minds becasue i am holding Electrosteel since two years, although havent got the expected returns.... so just thought of switching over to HDFC ... wot would you recommend


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 1:30pm

HDFC has moved up about 21% to Rs 1503 from our initial discussion at Rs 1245. While this movement has taken some of the cream from the milk HDFC remains a top notch portfolio holding.

 

The Indian Mortgage demand has grown at over 30% in recent months. The rise in income and the general culture of a shift from the joint family system into nuclear families shall keep the demand roust for the next few years.

 

In face of the rising property prices HDFC has been very efficient with its processes. They have kept the operating costs at 43bps of assets and credit costs at just 5 bps of assets.

 

The interest margins at 2.15% have been more of a constant even in the backdrop of http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18 - interest rate movements  of the past few years. the margins have moved  in a range of 5bps over the last 5 years indicating the efficient fund management processes of the company.

 

The value unlocking created through its forays into insurance, asset management and commercial banking should create significant shareholder benefits over the medium term (2-3 years)

 

The life insurance business is growing premiums at over 100%YoY.

 
      

Source:  Company Presentation at CLSA meet.

                                           


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 07/Oct/2006 at 11:20pm
Saw on Tv that HDFC intends to take its BPO subsidiary "Intelenet" public very soon. Some value unlocking could start once that happens.

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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 09/Oct/2006 at 9:43pm

Hello Basanji,

Any particular reason why HDFC is going down every day? Is this the right time to accumulate this blue chip or is it fairly valued at this moment?
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 09/Oct/2006 at 10:33pm
Just normal I would assume. Yes it is a great bet for long term investment and should be accumulated for a  annual return of 25% which could go up once value is unlocked..

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 23/Oct/2006 at 6:12pm
For the September quarter 2006 HDFC's income rose 39% to Rs 1456 crores from Rs 1048 crores. The net profit rose by 23% to Rs 368 crores from Rs 298.9 crores. ?The company was able to maintain its net interest margin  at 2.16%. The rise in total expenditure (especially inteerst and other charges) led to a less then propotionate increase in net proffit compared to the growth in Income. The company seems all set to start a company that would look after its real estate funds which plans to raise US $ 750 million through overseas investors later this year.
 
The stock remains a classic core portfolio holding. 


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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 24/Oct/2006 at 9:41am
from todays ET:

Pay revision at HDFC Bank fuels reverse merger talk

A salary revision and spate of redesignations in HDFC Bank have once again stoked rumours of a possible reverse merger of the parent HDFC with the bank.

Even though the market and banking circles have been betting on it for quite some time now, both HDFC and HDFC Bank have denied any move towards a merger in response to a report filed by a news agency on Monday.

The agency had indicated that the redesignations in the bank were a precursor to a possible merger. Denying this, Renu Karnad, executive director, HDFC, said, “There is enough growth opportunity for HDFC in the mortgage business. HDFC is very happy with its shareholding in the bank as it is adding significant value and the bank is sourcing home loans for HDFC.”

HDFC Bank had recently upgraded the designations of all employees’ right from the junior most to the executive vice-president level. According to Aditya Puri, MD, HDFC Bank, redesignation as well as salary adjustments are in line with the results of a recently-concluded salary survey. He said it had nothing to do with a merger between HDFC and HDFC Bank and that these rumours were baseless.

However, the rumours of a possible merger have thickened over time due to various reasons: first, many feel that as a single-product company, HDFC will have to rethink its strategy in future; second, hardening interest rates could make the going tough for HDFC; and, third and most significantly, it’s a widely-shared perception that managements of the two organisations may be more inclined now to talk about the possibility.

Besides, unlike a merger of ICICI and ICICI Bank, integrating the operations of the bank and mortgage firm will not cause severe strains on account of reserve requirements (that are applicable to a bank).

Rumours of a merger between the two have been repeatedly surfacing after other financial institutions converted into banks through reverse mergers. ICICI merged with ICICI Bank over five years ago while more recently, IDBI converted itself into a bank consolidating IDBI Bank with its own operations.

Analysts also felt competition from banks and rising interest rates could eventually throw up the merger option. However, Ms Karnad said there was no pressure to merge as HDFC continued to grow its loans as well as profits on its own.

As far as the bank’s recent redsignations are concerned, there have been no promotions or change in job content. For instance, according to the new changes an executive has been redesignated as assistant manager, a senior manager as assistant vice-president, assistant V-P has been redesignated as V-P, V-P as senior V-P and senior V-P has been designated as executive V-P.

The bank has around 10 group heads and there has been no change in those designations. Officials point that in case of HDFC the designations are different from that of HDFC Bank. The corporation has around 13 grades including senior officer, assistant manager, manager, deputy GM, GM, senior GM and executive director.



Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 24/Oct/2006 at 10:30am
This should be very bullish for the stock. HDFC holds 22% in HDFC Bank and on merger this equity should get cancelled leading to a reduction in total equity and increase in EPS.Otherwise this 22% equity fetches HDFC only dividend income which is hardly 1% and the market will never account for this value since this a is a holding company.Moreover operational synergies should help the consolidated entity maintain 30% plus growth - that is if that merger happens.

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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 11/Nov/2006 at 4:23am
Hello Basanji,
 
There are some symptoms of merger being seen between hdfc and hdfc bank.
 
If the merger happens which shareholders(hdfc or hdfc back) will be benefited  significantly?
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 11/Nov/2006 at 9:09am
Add 25% immediately to the price if that merger goes through.Even otherwise this stock is a no brainer!Buy It for significant long term wealth creation.

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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 03/Dec/2006 at 5:48pm
Sir, you said that HDFC and HDFC Bank will be 100 times more than what they are today in 20 years? So can I also buy with same vision, but some what earlier than you are, But my main worry is market cap. 100 times more and price of 1,50,000 & 1,20,000 respectively, very very bold assumptions...

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 03/Dec/2006 at 5:54pm
It does not seem that bold when you consider a CAGR of 26% only. Now 100 does not mean 100 it could also mean 85 times but broadly I am at that.

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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 03/Dec/2006 at 6:00pm
I was writing that even 80 times will do, that means you are saying that they can grow 26% CAGR for next 20 years regardless of base?
 
No wonder why Buffet has highest allocation to this sector..


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 03/Dec/2006 at 9:16pm
The mortgage to GDP ratio should grow 10 times in 20 years plus the GDP should grow 4-5 times plus operational efficiencies/leverage etc should make it that big

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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 09/Dec/2006 at 4:06pm
Basantjee
 
Increase in Repo rates by 0.50 points will effect HDFC ?
 
Stock is correcting sharply offlate from 1700 to 1550
 
Your expert comments please??
 
Trust me this forum was really lifeless in your absence ....


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Posted By: vip1
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2006 at 5:42pm
Agree Chic , not lifeless but maybe aimless, as discussions drifted away from stocks .


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2006 at 6:07pm
I do not think that long term investors (anyone who is interested in HDFC has to be one) would be affected by those interest rate swings. At each decline this is a buy for a person with a 10 year view. This is a must hold for a diversified portfolio - so the more it falls better for the porspective investors.

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Posted By: bullzi
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2006 at 10:15am
Basantjee,
How much do you think coould it go down due to the recent news? I agree that in the long run it would be a multi-bagger, but I wouldn't like to buy at a price and see it lose say 15% in a short time.



Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2006 at 11:30am
That is a toughone to answer really but over the past 10 years interest rates have seen more then 2 cycles and this stock has been up some 10 times so maybe over the next 10 years we could see similar returns now it could fall with the market so do a staggered buying because the downside of any stock could be more then we think.

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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 11/Dec/2006 at 6:45pm
HDFC looks pretty strong at 1550/- what do you think SIR worth buying ?

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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 11/Dec/2006 at 6:48pm
I think we are running a marathon and money has to be generated by fund houses ...so i dont think there is  another May happening for sure...so pick your stocks and pump in money for the next 5 years...and ofcourse we are not goign to Use this money for anythign else...but I bet it is an individual call...but i think this will be a great opportunity to buy if it dips..for sure......So rise to challenge and Take your gaurd on good companies...


Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2007 at 6:23am
ICICI did reverse merger with ICICI Bank. HDFC is not doing so. What is better?


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2007 at 7:11am
I think a reverse merger would be great news and should send the stock prices up by at least 20% in the immediate term http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=117 -   holds about 22% in http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=277 -    which gets only dividend and earnings are not consolidated since it does not make up 51% this would be cancelled hence reducing the balancesheet size and the return ratios. ALso synergies would be worked out in terms of employee costs etc. But will they do it? SInce http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=117 -   took over the management of Gruh Finance it did not go in for a reverse merger with it so thinking about http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=277 -   is a little tough at this point in time.

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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2007 at 9:46am
In era of demergers, why will they merge these two. Banking has strong and stringent rule & regulation whereas NBFC enjoys freedom from them. Shareholding norms for Banking is quite conservative as yet.
Personally I don't see this happening now (rather never).
Rules and regulations are one reasons on why TV18 and web18 are different companies. Mortgage is best piece of HDFC pack, why will thy merge it with other not-so valuable businesses ?


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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 27/Jan/2007 at 10:54pm
An interesting Report http://india.seekingalpha.com/article/24202 - here
 
HDFC Managing Director Significantly Increases His Stake in the Company


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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 27/Jan/2007 at 10:57pm
YES kEKI MISTRY HAS BOUGHT 32000,FROM his own money...iif i am not wrong...i think the merger might go through


Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 27/Jan/2007 at 11:08pm
BSE's website says it's Allotment pursuant to exercise of options vested under ESOS-05
 
Check these links: http://www.bseindia.com/qresann/news.asp?newsid=%7bE75E0C52-8D9B-45DD-B5B0-BC8AE05C3F50%7d - KEKI MISTRY 85,000      &   http://www.bseindia.com/qresann/news.asp?newsid=%7b56FF2C65-5F0A-49CD-98FA-A545F6624682%7d - DEEPAK PAREKH 1,90,522
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 7:40pm

Basantjee

HDFC looking strong offlate....reached 52 week high @ 1821.95 & closed today @ 1817-

Your views please ...........


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Posted By: manojjain
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 4:51pm
What is the impact of rising interest rate on the hdfc counter ?


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 5:11pm
Short term down to sideways but this would provide opportunity for the long term investor to buy so these interest rate scares should be used to buy into companies like these.

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Posted By: manojjain
Date Posted: 24/Feb/2007 at 7:43pm
Deepak S Parekh is Chairman of the HDFC and IDFC, So I think like HDFC IDFC will be a good long term stable bet


Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 24/Feb/2007 at 9:34pm
Answering a question on the independence of management, Deepak Parekh, chairman, HDFC, pointed out, "Our foreign investors would like us to grow more aggressively even if it means higher NPAs. But,we are not going to accept their advice. If they are not comfortable with our operating standards,they can sell."
Last month,Macquarie has given a 12-month price target of Rs 2000 based on sum-of-parts methodology.
In the past, HDFC had indicated that it would look at HDFC-HDFC merger more positively if there were to be regulatory forbearance on issues such as CRR and SLR requirements. Given that CRR has risen to 6% and SLR is unlikely to come down dramatically in the short-term the case for merger has actually weakened.
Source: ET


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Posted By: pramodjain
Date Posted: 15/Apr/2007 at 5:39pm

Life insurers unfazed by high interest rates

New Delhi April 13

The hardening of interest rates in the economy does not portend sharp decline in life insurance industry's premium collection growth rates in the current fiscal, say captains of the private insurance companies.

The popular view is that rising interest rates would not hurt industry growth although some slowing down may happen during the current fiscal.

The life insurance industry recorded a 120.41 per cent growth in new premium collection for the period April-February 2007 to Rs 57,937 crore from Rs 26,286 crore in the same period in the previous year.

"There will be some reallocation of savings pool. The share of insurance in the savings is unlikely to drop. We expect more flow into fixed deposits. At the same time, asset allocation in property, gold and mutual funds will come down and some will come into insurance. Net-net, there will be no hit on insurance," Ms Shikha Sharma, Managing Director, ICICI Prudential Life Insurance Company, said.

She said that the life insurance industry was "crowded" and the current fiscal would see growth rate of 30-40 per cent. "The over 100 per cent growth seen last fiscal (up to February) is clearly unsustainable. You can't grow at the same rate on this higher base. Last financial year, a number of insurance companies expanded their distribution footprint. Moreover, a lot of people bought into ULIPs in the first quarter," Ms Sharma said.

HDFC Standard Life Insurance's Managing Director, Mr Deepak Satwalekar, told Business Line that rising interest rates would not affect growth rate of life insurance industry in the current fiscal. 'It would affect the mutual funds industry more. I don't see it affecting insurance industry. One can expect close to last year growth (over 100 per cent). In fact, investment return of insurance companies will get affected positively (better returns),' he said.

Mr Bert Paterson, Managing Director, Aviva Life, said that he saw rising interest rates having only marginal impact on the growth rate of life insurance industry.

'I don't think so. If so, it would only be marginal,' he said, when asked whether hardening interest rates would hurt life insurance industry's growth rate this fiscal.

Bajaj Allianz's Chief Executive Officer (CEO), Mr Sam Ghosh, however felt that hardening interest rates would have some impact on the life insurance industry's growth this fiscal. 'The industry is likely to grow about 60 per cent this fiscal. We will grow at the industry rate,' he said.

Taken from Business Line

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Posted By: us121
Date Posted: 03/May/2007 at 9:45pm

 

report on hdfc by equity master:

OUTLOOK ARENA  >>   VIEWS ON NEWS >>  MAY 3, 2007

HDFC: Interest rate pinch

Performance Summary
HDFC, India’s largest mortgage lending institution’s performance in FY07, manifests the fact that the contribution of mortgage finance to the country’s GDP has doubled from 3% to 6% in the last 2 fiscals. The institution has announced yet another fiscal of strong performance. For FY07, while income from operations have grown by 40% YoY, net profits are up 25% YoY. The financial institution has, however, faced margin pressures despite the sustenance in asset growth. HDFC’s net profit margins have infact contracted by 360 basis points (3.6%) due to higher cost of funds and higher effective tax rates.

(Rs m) 4QFY06 4QFY07 Change FY06 FY07 Change
Income from operations 10,810 15,267 41.2% 37,863 53,140 40.3%
Other Income 1,588 2,062 29.8% 4,920 5,822 18.3%
Interest Expense 6,773 10,042 48.3% 24,911 36,668 47.2%
Net Interest Income 4,037 5,225 29.4% 12,952 16,472 27.2%
Net interest margin       3.5% 3.0%  
Other Expense 439 475 8.2% 2,112 2,442 15.6%
Provisions and contingencies 46 52 13.0% 187 175 -6.4%
Profit before tax 5,140 6,760 31.5% 15,573 19,677 26.4%
Tax 874 1,260 44.2% 3,000 3,974 32.5%
Effective tax rate 17.0% 18.6%   19.3% 20.2%  
Profit after tax/ (loss) 4,266 5,500 28.9% 12,573 15,703 24.9%
Net profit margin (%) 39.5% 36.0%   33.2% 29.6%  
No. of shares (m)       249.6 253.0  
Diluted earnings per share (Rs)*       50.4 62.1  
P/E (x)         27.1  
* (12 months trailing)

India’s largest HFC
HDFC, India’s largest housing finance company (HFC), with strong brand equity and market share of 21%, has an extensive reach with 237 branches (FY07) spread across the country and abroad. HDFC’s strength over the years has been its core business of housing loans. Meanwhile, it also has tried to benefit from the retail reach of its banking subsidiary (HDFC Bank) and has entered into an agreement to source ‘home loan accounts’ from the latter. However, 70% of the accounts are sold back to HDFC Bank in the form of Pass Through Certificates (PTCs). Over the years, HDFC has emerged as a financial conglomerate by not restricting its ambitions to just housing finance but also venturing into new businesses like insurance, banking and asset management (mutual funds). It has recently set up a ‘real estate fund’. The HFC has grown at a scorching pace over the years despite competition from banking entities in the mortgage financing space.

What has driven performance in 4QFY07?e
Margin blip: The statistics of mortgage finance contributing 6% of India’s GDP in FY07 from 3% in FY05 may appear enthusing. However, this does not demean the shortage of 45 m dwelling units as per the 11th 5-year plan (5 m backlog, 22 m in rural and 16 m in urban areas; Source HDFC). HDFC continues to cash in on the potential demand in the Indian hosing finance industry. The same has been further aided due to the effective cost of home loans being brought down from 11.3% in FY00 to 6.1% in FY07, due to the fiscal incentives.

The rise in interest rates in this fiscal, which has not been commensurate to the rise in income levels has, however, had a lagged impact on the institution’s incremental disbursals.

Approvals Vs Disbursements

(Rs m) FY06 FY07 Growth
Current year      
Approvals 256,340 333,320 30.0%
Disbursements 206,790 261,780 26.6%
D/A 80.7% 78.5%  
       
Cumulative      
Approvals 1,124,320 1,547,640 37.7%
Disbursements 931,030 1,192,810 28.1%
D/A 82.8% 77.1%  

During FY07, HDFC’s disbursements grew by 27% YoY on the back of increase in loan approvals by 30% YoY. The disbursements to approval ratio at over 77%, although healthy, suggest a slowdown in incremental disbursals over the corresponding period of FY06. Also, despite the higher yield on assets, HDFC’s net interest margin has witnessed a blip of nearly 50 basis points in this fiscal. HDFC raised foreign currency bonds in FY07 and has indicated that it will incrementally resort to long term funding in the near future as against short term bank borrowings, the latter being available at steep costs.

Loan book break up…

  FY06 FY07 Change
Individuals 302,617 373,624 23.5%
% of total 67.3% 66.1%  
Corporate Bodies 139,757 178,585 27.8%
% of total 31.1% 31.6%  
Others 7,526 12,914 71.6%
% of total 1.7% 2.3%  
Total loans 449,900 565,123 25.6%

The fact that HDFC saw a faster accretion of corporate customers to its loan book (against retail) must have also led to the institution falling short of bargaining power (in interest rates) against the former. The growth of 26% in loan book is in line with the sector average and the institution’s targets. This is also higher than our estimate of 20% YoY growth in loan book in FY07.

Other income - buoyed by surpluses: HDFC’s fee income remained flat in FY07 over that in FY06, suggesting continued pressure on processing income, in spite of higher pricing power. While the FI has been taking a cut in its fee income to compete in the increasingly competitive mortgage financing market, which is getting increasingly crowded by banking companies, its fee income (linked to incremental disbursements) has not grown at commensurate rates. This is also due to the fact that the institution has been increasingly relying on its subsidiary HDFC Bank (25% of the loans sourced in FY07) for sourcing the home loans from locations where it does not have a presence. Despite the fall in fee income, the HFC’s other income grew by 34% YoY during FY07, thanks to a 43% YoY growth in profit on sale of investments and higher surpluses from cash deployed in cash management schemes of mutual funds. The same may, however, not be sustainable going forward. The unrealized gains on investments at the end of March 2007 rose by 16% YoY.

Breakup of other income

(Rs m) FY06 % of total FY07 % of total Change
Fee income 675 16.4% 686 12.5% 1.6%
Surplus from deploment in MFs 89 2.2% 387 7.0% 334.8%
Profit on sale of investments 2,272 55.2% 3,253 59.1% 43.2%
Dividend & other incomes 1,079 26.2% 1,179 21.4% 9.3%
Total other income 4,115   5,505   33.8%

Addressing resource constraints: As per the monetary policy for FY07, the provisioning requirement for commercial real estate loans has risen from 0.4% to 1.0% signaling the fact that the RBI is worried about the increase in real estate prices in India (risk weight on exposures to commercial real estate raised from 125% to 150%). In line with the RBI’s diktat, its counterpart NHB (regulatory body for mortgage loans) also hiked the provisioning requirements, which proved costly for HDFC. However, HDFC’s comfortable CAR of 12.9% at the end of March 2007 relieves it of capital raising requirement in the short term. Further, gross of 0.9% and net NPAs of 0.2% keep the asset quality provisioning requirements low for the institution.

What to expect?
At the current price of Rs 1,675, the stock is trading at 3.1 times our estimated FY09 adjusted book value. The investment value per share is Rs 145 (at book value). HDFC’s unique business model (sales through DSAs and arrangement with HDFC Bank) enables it to sustain the lowest cost to income ratio (11% in FY07) and enjoy operating leverage. The management has indicated that the timely lending rate hikes will ensure that its spreads are protected. However, this may have an impact on its asset growth.

In search for new avenues of growth, the institution is now targeting smaller cities, where real estate prices have risen, but not as much as the rise witnessed in metros and other large cities. On the international front, HDFC launched its operations in London in November 2006, in order to facilitate the Indians in England, through providing them with advisory services on housing finance and property acquisition in India. While the valuations, factoring in the market value of investments appear reasonable from a long term perspective, the same is subject to substantial downsides, in the event of inability to book the unrealized gains at opportune times.

 



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Posted By: Mr. V
Date Posted: 16/May/2007 at 8:16pm
Any idea about the valuations of the General Insurance biz ?
 
Housing Development Finance Corporation (HDFC) has entered into an agreement with Chubb Global Financial Services Corporation, USA (Chubb Global) to acquire its stake in HDFC Chubb General Insurance Company (HCGICL), following which HCGICL will become a 100% subsidiary of HDFC.

According to an official release issued by the company to the BSE today, the stake held by Chubb Global represents 26% of the paid up share capital of HCGICL. As per the terms of the agreement, HDFC will buy 32,500,000 equity shares of Rs 10 each, subject to receipt of requisite approvals.
 
Source: Business Standard
http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage_c_online.php?leftnm=11&bKeyFlag=IN&autono=23309 - http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage_c_online.php?leftnm=11&bKeyFlag=IN&autono=23309


Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 16/May/2007 at 5:34am
Let talk about trigger of unlocking. We all know HDFC has lots of value.

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Posted By: pramodjain
Date Posted: 16/May/2007 at 11:14am

 Blackstone eyeing HDFC's stake in Intelenet?

 

According That makes it the 12th largest BPO company in India.to sources, Blackstone is in leading race to acquire HDFC's stake in Intelenet BPO. HDFC is in talks to sell 50% stake in Intelenet BPO. HDFC and Barclays Bank hold 50% stake each in the BPO.

Intelenet's FY07 revenue is at Rs 383 crore and EBITDA is at Rs 54 crore.

It could be one of the biggest private equity deals in the BPO space. International private equity player Blackstone is in talks to buy HDFC’s 50% stake in BPO company Intelenet.

 

HDFC may be finally looking to exit the BPO space. Private equity player Blackstone is in talks to acquire HDFC's 50 % stake in BPO company - Intelenet. It is not yet clear what will be the price.

 

In FY07, Intelenet earned a revenue of Rs 383 crore and an operating profit of Rs 54 crore.

 

Founded in 1994, Intelenet offers outsourcing services in the financial, retail, telecom and hospitality industries. It has more than 5,000 employees working out of four centers in Mumbai and Chennai.

 

Intelenet also holds a 51% stake in publicly listed Sparsh India, another BPO with FY07 sales of over Rs 87 crore. That stake itself is worth Rs 170 crore at current market valuations. HDFC entered Intelenet three years ago, when it acquired a 50% stake from TCS, for Rs 161 crore. The remaining 50 percent is held by Barclays Bank. 

 

Now HDFC's 50% stake could be worth close to Rs 400 crore. That is because most BPOs are valued at one to one and a half times revenue. That's over Rs 600 crores in the case of Intelenet. Add to that, the Sparsh stake value and the BPO company's total valuation could near Rs 800 crores.

 

As of now, neither company has confirmed the deal.

 

2007-05-14 12:51:33 Source : Moneycontrol.com

 

Vipul ji

This is the value to be unlocked.

 



Posted By: Mohan
Date Posted: 16/May/2007 at 11:15am
SLR cut to make HDFC Bank, HDFC merger easier: Aditya Puri
2007-05-16 17:31:12 Source : Moneycontrol.com   

HDFC and HDFC Bank could be inching closer towards a merger. And the unwitting catalyst for that merger could be the RBI.

The long awaited
http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/financehousing/housingdevelopmentfinancecorporation/17/32/pricechartquote/marketprice/HDF - HDFC merger with  http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/banksprivate/hdfcbank/17/32/pricechartquote/marketprice/HDF01 - HDFC Bank has moved closer. HDFC Bank's Aditya Puri told CNBC- TV18 in an exclusive interview that if the RBI cuts the statutory liquidity ratio, or SLR, it would make it easier for the two entities to merge. He said that the merger will happen only when it makes cost sense for the two entities.

Since 1999, Puri has ensured that HDFC Bank consistently bags most awards for India's best managed banks. But the size and diversification available to his rivals like ICICI and UTI have eluded him. However, that scale and diversity may be closer now. HDFC Bank’s merger with HDFC could give a fillip if the RBI were to cut the SLR.
 
However, Puri did not reveal any more details saying that he is bound by his New York listing.

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But the argument is clear. HDFC, which is the bank's parent company has a much smaller SLR obligation. But if the two entities merge, the SLR obligation would shoot up.

SLR is the minimum percentage of their deposits that banks have to invest in government bonds. It is currently at 25% but is expected to be cut by a few percentage points. Also, some tax advantages available to HDFC will be lost if it merges with HDFC Bank.

As far as Citibank's near 13% stake in HDFC and its indirect 2.5% stake in HDFC Bank was concerned, Puri said it was purely financial.

Citibank's stake purchase in HDFC made at a massive Rs 1000 crore was seen by the market as an effort to liaise with HDFC Bank in preparation for 2009, when foreign banks may be allowed a bigger role. As far as the future was concerned, Puri was confident of FY08 being a better year for the banking sector; the strong growth will mean his bank has to tap the equity market sometime this year.

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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 25/May/2007 at 2:34am
I don't know if the whole news item is known, so am posting it for the reference of TEDs.
 
Carlyle Picks Up 5.6% In HDFC For $650 Million; Citigroup Invests $117 Million
 
Housing Development Finance Corporation (HDFC) has received funding of Rs 2,638 crore or $650 million from private equity fund The Carlyle Group. The fund will purchase 15.25 million new shares in HDFC through a preferential allotment at Rs 1,730 a share. Post-transaction, Carlyle will own a 5.6 per cent stake in HDFC.
 
The investment will be made by Carlyle Asia Partners (CAP), which manages over $2.5 billion and makes large sized investments across non-Japan Asia.
 
HDFC has also raised Rs 476 crore ($117.5 million) from the existing investor Citigroup Strategic Holdings Mauritius. The firm has been issued about 27.5 million shares at Rs 1,730 a share. With this investment, the holding of Citigroup will be maintained at the same level of 12.3 per cent, according to Renu Karnad, Executive director of HDFC, reports http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/business/hdfc-to-raise-rs-3114-cr-via-pref-offer-to-carlyle-group/283319 - CNBC-TV18 .
The proceeds will support HDFC’s continued investment in banking, life insurance and mortgage businesses, a statement said.
The transaction is subject to shareholder approval and is expected to close in July this year. Carlyle was advised by investment bank DSP Merrill Lynch.
 
 
Source: http://www.vccircle.com - www.vccircle.com
 


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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 22/Jun/2007 at 6:48pm
Merger between HDFC and HDFC Bank???????
 
Read this article
http://www.businessworld.in/content/view/1926/1989 - http://www.businessworld.in/content/view/1926/1989


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Posted By: getmanoj
Date Posted: 28/Jun/2007 at 4:06pm
Recruit, reward, retain

A nice article (Although little old) ... abou the recruitment process in HDFC .
http://news.moneycontrol.com/india/news/management/recruitreward/recruitrewardretain/market/stocks/article/285975 - http://news.moneycontrol.com/india/news/management/recruitreward/recruitrewardretain/market/stocks/article/285975

Manoj


Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 28/Jun/2007 at 6:03am
Merger between HDFC and HDFC Bank???????
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As before I said, when world is demerging/spin-off, it makes little sense to merge the 2 businesses. We have seen it in case of ICICI, now SBI is also doing similar thing.
Also it makes more sense that holding company (NBFC) controls Banks rather than vice-versa (in case of ICICI or SBI). HDFC structure is the best, they don't have to change it.
But ruling-out anything completely in market is as difficult as market itself.


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Posted By: pramodjain
Date Posted: 25/Jul/2007 at 8:16pm
HDFC Q1 net up 25.6% to Rs.372.81 Crores

Housing Development Finance Corporation Ltd (HDFC) has announced the following Unaudited results for the quarter ended June 30, 2007.

The Company has posted a net profit of Rs 3728.10 million for the quarter ended June 30, 2007 as compared to Rs 2968.20 million for the quarter ended June 30, 2006. Total Income has increased from Rs 12485.30 million for the quarter ended June 30, 2006 to Rs 18303.90 million for the quarter ended June 30, 2007.

The company has reported an Earnings Per Share (EPS) of Rs.14.7 for the Quarter ending June 30, 2007 compared to Rs.11.87 for Quarter ending June 30, 2006.

The stock was trading at Rs.1952.70, down by Rs.22 or 1.11%. The stock hit an intraday high of Rs.1968 and low of Rs.1934.95. The total traded quantity was 44231 compared to 2 week average of 107859.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Jul/2007 at 10:09pm
HDFC and HDFC Bank have been blesssed to grow at 25% and 30% respectively. How can someone say that compounding money at 25% is tough in India.

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Posted By: pramodjain
Date Posted: 30/Aug/2007 at 8:57pm

HDFC announces successful closing of its Real Estate Fund

2007-08-30 16:07:21 Source : Moneycontrol.com

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Ms Renu Sud Karnad, Chairperson of http://www.moneycontrol.com/mccode/news/searchresult.php?search_str=HDFC%20Property%20Ventures%20Ltd&datesel=2 - . and  Executive Director, HDFC Ltd, said, “The objective of the Fund is to invest in FDI compliant real estate projects in India to achieve long-term capital appreciation. The Fund will target equity returns of 20%-25%. Through strong industry relationships and unparalleled expertise in the Indian real estate market, the Fund expects to have a competitive advantage over similar funds and generate enhanced returns for investors. The Fund will have a conservative approach with no regional or sector bias and would invest in residential, commercial, hospitality, education, healthcare sectors and developers’ entity level.”

 

As demonstrated by other more developed economies in Asia and South America, a key beneficiary and driver of India’s economic growth will be the real estate sector.  The Fund believes that the Indian real estate market currently presents a very compelling investment opportunity for investors. India’s long-term global competitiveness stems from factors such as being the world’s largest economy, rising productivity levels, superior-quality systems and processes, well developed financial markets, established legal and regulatory framework as well as significant labor-cost arbitrage.  The growth in investor interest is driven by strong economic growth, a reasonably stable currency and healthy foreign exchange reserves, quality and cost competitiveness resulting in outsourcing opportunities (both in services as well as in manufacturing), supportive government policy-making and buoyant capital markets.  In addition, the returns that numerous investments have generated in recent years have caught the attention of the investor community.

Mr. K. G. Krishnamurthy, Managing Director, HDFC Property Ventures Ltd   said, “We will be identifying and advising on opportunities available with reputed developers in the major cities having sound fundamentals. The Fund’s strategy is to take advantage of the current trends by investing in such companies and managing its investments in a manner that enables the developers of these Real Estate Projects to optimally harness the growing Indian economy and develop successful and profitable ventures for the Indian market.

 

With this international Real-estate Fund, HDFC will be the largest player in the real estate private equity space in India

 



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 30/Aug/2007 at 11:26pm
Seems a bit out of place Deepak pareikh expects property prices to slacken by at least 25% in some cities and here is HDFC raising cash for investing in real estate. WIll they hold this money before investing?

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Posted By: pramodjain
Date Posted: 31/Aug/2007 at 12:07pm

What I understand they are simply managing asset and getting Asset managment fee. This time they are raised money for realstate MF. otherwise they are managing Equity and debt assets and earning management fee.



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Posted By: kg
Date Posted: 17/Oct/2007 at 6:18pm
Can somebody help me understand ..HDFC price on BSE india is showing as 698 ..is there a stock split ... i tried checking corporate announcement and dint find it in that .

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 17/Oct/2007 at 6:37pm
No, there shoukld be something wrong.

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Posted By: kg
Date Posted: 17/Oct/2007 at 6:53pm

i thot so ...because equitymaster was showing the same valuation ..here is the link ..

http://bseindia.com/mktlive/grouploss.asp - http://bseindia.com/mktlive/grouploss.asp

 



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Posted By: kg
Date Posted: 17/Oct/2007 at 6:53pm

i thot so ...because equitymaster was showing the same valuation ..here is the link ..

http://bseindia.com/mktlive/grouploss.asp - http://bseindia.com/mktlive/grouploss.asp

may b i m missing something.



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Posted By: pramodjain
Date Posted: 18/Nov/2007 at 8:11pm

Buy HDFC, target Rs 3288: Motilal Oswal

2007-11-16 11:12:50 Source : moneycontrol.com

 

Motilal Oswal Research has come out with report on http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/finance-housing/housing-development-finance-corporation/11/16/HDF - HDFC . The firm has maintained buy rating on the stock  with target price of Rs 3288 implying potential upside of 21%, in research report dated on November 15, 2007.

 

"HDFC’s stronghold in the housing finance market has further strengthened with ICICI Bank and most state-owned banks going slow on http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/recommendations/buy-hdfc,-target-rs-3288:-motilal-oswal/313247 - - - - share for HFCs, mainly the leader HDFC. We believe HDFC deserves a premium valuation due to the continued traction in business and profitability, significant value unlocking from its various http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/recommendations/buy-hdfc,-target-rs-3288:-motilal-oswal/313247 - -

 

Disclaimer: The views and investment tips expressed by investment experts on  moneycontrol.com are their own, and not that of the website or its management. Moneycontrol.com advises users to check with certified experts before taking any investment decision.



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Posted By: pramodjain
Date Posted: 20/Nov/2007 at 10:09pm

Buy HDFC; target of Rs 3362: Sharekhan

2007-11-20 13:48:36 Source : moneycontrol.com  

Sharekhan Research has recommended buy rating on http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/finance-housing/housing-development-finance-corporation/13/50/HDF - with a price target of Rs 3362, November 19, 2007 report. "We have valued the core http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/recommendations/buy-hdfc;-target-of-rs-3362:-sharekhan/313754 - - mortgage business at 22x FY2010E EPS and if we adjust Rs 954 for the value assigned by us to its subsidiaries from the CMP of Rs 2700, HDFC is quoting at 15.9x its FY2010E earnings and 3x FY2010E book value. We feel the valuations look attractive considering HDFC's consistent above 20% earnings growth record, the potential value unlocking from its various subsidiaries and http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/recommendations/buy-hdfc;-target-of-rs-3362:-sharekhan/313754 - - investments , and the superior track record of its management. We initiate a Buy recommendation on the http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/recommendations/buy-hdfc;-target-of-rs-3362:-sharekhan/313754 - - stock with a price target of Rs 3362." according to Sharekhan Research report.



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Posted By: kanagala
Date Posted: 20/Nov/2007 at 11:25pm
Sharekhan should feel shame to come out  with a buy report on HDFC this late.


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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 20/Nov/2007 at 4:34am
Originally posted by pramodjain

 rating on http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/finance-housing/housing-development-finance-corporation/13/50/HDF - with a price target of Rs 3362, November 19, 2007 report. "We have valued the core http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/recommendations/buy-hdfc;-target-of-rs-3362:-sharekhan/313754 - - - mortgage business at 22x FY2010E EPS

Interesting to see 22 time discount to a mortgage lender.
<<Sharekhan is owned buy citi, so let's expect stupid things like it's parent. Who knows if citi  is looking for a exit Ouch>>


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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 20/Nov/2007 at 11:39am

um, no. Sharekhan has been covering HDFC for years now. They've just updated their 'target price'.

What is the core home loan portfolio expected to grow at? 25% every year? 22 times FY10 EPS seems expensive. But heck - the entire financial services space (banking, insurance, brokerage etc) is trading at " http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ICICI_gives_Lehman_a_run_for_market-cap/articleshow/2555315.cms - China" valuations .
 


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Nov/2007 at 11:54am
This is more of a 25% grower compared to its more illustrious son who is a 30% percenter. With these stocks you cannot go wromng if you have a long term view. The fundamentals always catch up with price.


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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 20/Nov/2007 at 11:59am

Extending the 25% logic to the next level, am I right in assuming that over a long term, real estate companies like DLF/Unitech can only grow at 25% and not more than that?

It would seem like a mis-match if real estate cos grow at 40% and home loan lender grows at only 25%.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 21/Nov/2007 at 12:32pm
That is never possible unless you have new entrants giving loans etc Of late many banks have entered the home loan space so we need to compare industry to industry rather then company to company.
 
But broadly real estate can never grow more then the business in the long term this should be helpful: http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81 - Read how wealth can be created in stocks only!!!


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Posted By: vincent
Date Posted: 26/Nov/2007 at 12:39pm

HDFC Standard Life Insurance, the country’s private sector life insurer, is planning to dilute over 10 per cent equity through an initial public offer (IPO). 


The public issue will make HDFC Standard Life the country’s first life insurance company to be listed on the Indian bourses. 

Speaking on the sidelines of IIM-A Confluence, Deepak Satwalekar, managing director and CEO, HDFC Standard Life Insurance, confirmed that the company would be hitting the capital market very soon. Satwalekar said that the company was planning an IPO and its nitty gritty was yet to be sorted out. 

Commenting on the percentage of equity that would be diluted, Satwalekar said, “The company would be diluting over 10 per cent of its holding in the insurance company.”  HDFC Standard Life Insurance is a joint venture between HDFC and UK-based insurer Standard Life, which has an 18.1 per cent stake in the JV. 

Standard Life Insurance Company was recently listed on the London Stock Exchange. “We need to raise funds for our capital requirement for the life insurance business,” he said.  According to him, the life insurance business will need capital of around Rs 600 crore for the current year. He added that the IPO size would be above Rs 100 crore.  “If the regulation allows further dilution of equity stake, we will go for dilution of equity above 10 per cent”, he clarified.

 Currently, the insurance regulation allows an Indian insurance company to dilute only up to 26 per cent to any foreign partners.  Satwalekar said his company was hopeful that the regulation for equity dilution would be further increased to enable the insurance sector to raise more capital through equity dilution.



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Nov/2007 at 3:16pm
Originally posted by tigershark

in which deal would hdfc make the most    by areverse merger of hdfcbank into itself or selling hdfc bank for a price to lets say a foreign bank whoever is ready to offer the most

 
Both. But the first option would create an immediate jump in price whereas the second one would take a bit of time to materialise.
 
HDFC owes 23% of the bank and does not consolidate so its ratios are muted imagine a situation if it sells its stake and holds a significant % of its market cap(value of HDFC Bank's stake) in cash.Big%20smile


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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 27/Nov/2007 at 3:21pm
citi has offered to buy immediately after april 09 the only thing remaining is some one needs to sell.there is going to be fun post april 09.hsbc head has said we need to grow thru aquisitions but all aquis will occur in EMERGING MKTS.

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Nov/2007 at 3:25pm
Any latest links/magazine articles to that.

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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 27/Nov/2007 at 3:26pm
i read it in one of the fn dailies maybe hindu bussinesline a couple days back  but sorry no instant links

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Posted By: Vamsee
Date Posted: 31/Dec/2007 at 4:01am
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Economy/HDFC_sells_7_to_JV_partner_Standard_Life/articleshow/2665953.cms - HDFC sells 7% to JV partner Standard Life, plans IPO in '09

MUMBAI: HDFC has booked a profit of around Rs 120 cr in a Rs 200 cr transaction involving sale of 7.15% stake in HDFC Standard Life to its British partner. The promoters of HDFC Standard Life have said also said that they will dilute stake through an IPO before 2009.

HDFC chairman Deepak Parekh said the company would structure the issue depending on how regulations work out. On whether the promoters will look at the holding company route, Mr Parekh said present regulations were in a state of flux and the company would wait for RBI to come out with its guidelines on holding companies. He added that while final structure would depend on the regulations, the company was prepared to look at Indian investors alone.

Private life insurance companies were originally expected to go public within 10-years of incorporation but many of them are yet to break even. "In GAAP terms, the business is making money. It is only because they have to fully provide for first year expenses that companies are showing losses," said Mr Parekh. HDFC's stake transfer to Standard Life does not depict the market value of HDFC Standard Life as HDFC had agreed to let Standard Life hike stake up to 26% at an agreed price.

Until recently, Standard Life could not even hold the entire 26% in the insurance venture that other companies were allowed to because Standard Life's holdings in HDFC were reckoned as indirect shareholding. But the headroom to invest became available in May `06 after Standard Life sold its holding in HDFC to Citigroup making it the single largest shareholder.

A statement issued by HDFC said the two partners have realigned their shareholding in HDFC Standard Life Insurance company "As a result, HDFC has today sold 7.15% of the equity of HDFC SLIC to Standard Life (Mauritius Holdings) 2006 at a pre-agreed price. Post this, Standard Life (Mauritius Holdings) 2006 will hold 26% of the equity capital of HDFC SLIC, the maximum allowed under current regulations."

"HDFC and Standard Life are committed to the continued growth of HDFC SLIC and an IPO of the business before 2009," a statement issued by the company said. The statement added that HDFC and SLAC have also agreed that any future sale of shares by HDFC to Standard Life (Mauritius Holdings) 2006, if and when permitted by law would be at a fair value.

HDFC Standard Life is one of the largest overseas operations of the Edinburgh-based insurer that has been through some tumultuous times in recent years. When the insurance industry was opened up in 2000, Standard Life was steadfast in retaining its holding in HDFC even though this meant holding a maximum of 18% in the joint venture. This was because Irda rules prescribe that if a foreign partner holds shares in the parent, the entitlement to hold 26%in the insurance subsidiary would stand reduced to that extent.

HDFC Standard Life has a new business market share of 9.2% in the private sector with total premium income of Rs. 2,856 crore in the year 2006-07. The company plans to aggressively grow its business in the coming years. HDFC SLIC has over 12,000 employees and more than 1,00,000 financial consultants covering over 700 cities in India.

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for those who are tracking this counter - IPO before 2009.


Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 29/Jan/2008 at 3:08pm
citi to sell hdfc stake?   during desparate times desparate people may think of doing desparate things.  citi to sell---article source toi  next comment is personal

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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 29/Jan/2008 at 7:01pm
Originally posted by tigershark

citi to sell hdfc stake?   during desparate times desparate people may think of doing desparate things.  citi to sell---article source toi  next comment is personal
 
LOL
 
Its highly possible that Citi sells its stake in HDFC. Citi Venture Capital's MD, Ajay Relan has said to mint, that Citi will look to sell its holdings outside US to offset losses. Nonetheless, it makes sense to remain invested as value unlocking will finally happen. Deepak Parekh has said AMC will be listed at the end of this year. Insurance subsidiary will go public next year.
 
 


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Posted By: getmanoj
Date Posted: 11/Feb/2008 at 9:41pm
Interview of Deepak Parikh with Shekhar Gupta (one of the rare species in media - sensible journalist )

Link: http://www.indianexpress.com/story/271644.html - http://www.indianexpress.com/story/271644.html

Before we go to anything else, bread-and-butter issues. Since I also live on EMIs, will interest rates go down? If yes, when?

Well, I think the rates have to go down. We’re trying to be a part of the global economy. We’re trying to have tax rates that are prevalent in the Southeast Asian countries. You can’t have interest rates that are totally different from other countries.

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Manoj






Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 14/Feb/2008 at 2:52pm

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Market_News/Parekh_Mistry_purchase_HDFC_shares/articleshow/2782144.cms - Parekh, Mistry purchase over 1.85 lakh HDFC shares

I'm a bit disappointed with m/s Parekh & Mistry. How can they be bullish on mortgage business? Don't they watch analysts on business channels or read GBD reports by Dr. Faber?

 

 


 
 
 


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Posted By: Mohan
Date Posted: 14/Feb/2008 at 6:00pm

When one runs the largest mortgage company for over 2 decades and knowing almost all the major corporates in India ( both home grown and foreign) and knowing kaun kitne paani me hai, it is safe to put money where its safest. They know exactly what HDFC does and what the risks are.

Best example of what Lynch said, "know what you own"
 
Every single foreign investor or corporate wants to have some kind of partnership with HDFC. They have Triple AAA reputation.


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Posted By: nitin_jagtap
Date Posted: 14/Feb/2008 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by kulman

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Market_News/Parekh_Mistry_purchase_HDFC_shares/articleshow/2782144.cms - I'm a bit disappointed with m/s Parekh & Mistry. How can they be bullish on mortgage business? Don't they watch analysts on business channels or read GBD reports by Dr. Faber?

 


Kulmanji I assume you are saying this in the lighter sense ...I for sure know Mr Parekh's financial acumen is A + grade.




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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 14/Feb/2008 at 6:15pm
Originally posted by nitin_jagtap

Kulmanji I assume you are saying this in the lighter sense ...I for sure know Mr Parekh's financial acumen is A + grade.
 
Of course.
 
Just wanted to highlight the inexperience of many irrational 'expert analysts' we get to see/hear in the media. 


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Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2008 at 1:28pm
This looks like ESOP conversion and not market purchase.


Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2008 at 1:34pm
Yes you are right. In case of Mr. Mistry some are market purchases.

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2008 at 9:26am
Heard from the grapewine that Citi is looking at selling its stake from HDFC - Totally unconfirmed.


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Posted By: nitin_jagtap
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2008 at 9:41am

Suppose it happens will it be a off market transaction or will be through the exchange or will it be a bulk deal through exchange at predetermined price ....it doesnt matter but just keen to know when big stakes are sold..typically what would be the mechanism.



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2008 at 9:44am
If they resort to open market selling HDFC could come back to 3 digits. It will always be in bulk.


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Posted By: Mr. V
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2008 at 9:50am
Citi holds close to 10% so that would be about $1.6b. These guys seem to be desperate to shore up capital. The upcoming VISA IPO is also supposed to provide Citi with $1b cash.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2008 at 9:59am
It is logical to write off aone time loss (subprime) from a one time profit on sale of investments.
 
They do not follow the principle of cut your losses and ride your profitsUnhappy


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Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2008 at 10:00am
Looks like US FIs are all set to sell off their assets abroad which are priced fairly to cover some of their domestic losses.

What does it mean for medium term share prices?



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