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Multibaggers in a Structural Change

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Topic: Multibaggers in a Structural Change
Posted By: basant
Subject: Multibaggers in a Structural Change
Date Posted: 18/Jul/2007 at 11:37am

Multibaggers in a Structural Change

 

One of the biggest delight of an investor is to hold on to a multibagger (stocks that rise multiple times over the purchase price). Ideally multibaggers originate from the cusp of a structural change happening within a sector. Companies like  Infosys, Bharti Airtel, Pantaloon Retail, Unitech have been an  offshoot of a the “structural change” that was happening within the industry these companies operated in.

 

Whenever a new sector is born or emerges in its new form companies undergo rapid transformation depending on the scale of opportunity. In 1990 the Govt. decontrolled cement and steel and the Harshad Mehta bull run was aptly led by ACC with the stock grossing 40 times in less then 40 months. The Software industry was born in the mid 1990’s and people made huge money from Infosys, Satyam and Wipro, Mobile telephony was a new sector and we all realized how quickly it was intruding our lives. It became a sin to leave a mobile phone at home but had we looked at stocks like Bharti Airtel we would have made 15 - 20 times the money. Private Banking was another of those areas which set about to change the way consumers banked. As the branches for HDFC Bank opened nearer to our homes the stock returned more then 30 times for its early investors in over just a little more then a decade. Insurance was also born in the early part of this decade and MAX India a relatively smaller player has been up some 25 times. Pantaloon Retail was one company which indicated the arrival of organized retail and anyone who got in early has made 60 times his wealth. Brokerages erupted with the advent of the internet and Indiabulls is a classic example of a big multibagger in less then 5 years.

 

So the easiest thing would have been to look around and see what are the new activities that are taking people off their feet. Investing in stocks of structural change requires more of foresight with an ability to predict as to how big the sector could become in 3-5 years.. These companies are small and managed mostly by first generation promoters, they seldom pay dividend and more importantly remain expensive throughout the length of the bull market. A classic case is Financial technologies (majority owners of the commodity exchange “MCX”). This company has traded at a PE of more then 100 ever since it was identified, Pantaloon trades at a PE of 50 so the traditional valuation matrix does not hold good because the market is eager to discount too far into the future.

 

The Pitfalls: Investing in stocks undergoing a structural change comes with a caveat. No matter what happens investors should never get over smart and invest in stocks that are not leaders within the sector. The smart money that chased Bharti Airtel was adequately rewarded but the over smart money that bought TTML faltered and lost out. In the mid nineties when motorcycles overtook scooters as a preferred two wheeler choice the smart money bought Hero Honda and Bajaj Auto while the over smart money picked up LML. After about a decade it is the smart money that is riding all the way to the Bank.

Coming to banks, if the over smart money had tried to get into one of the not so smartly managed banks like Global Trust Bank and Bank of Rajasthan they would have regretted their over smartness. The smart money was content picking up the leaders like HDFC Bank and ICICI Bank but the over smart money that wanted a quick double have seen their assets being eroded. Similarly buying Pantaloon Retail would have made a huge amount of money for the investor but getting into Piramid Retail and Shoppers Stop would not have been that good an experience.

In the post liberalization period of 1992 cement stocks were in great fancy. Had the investor been smart he would have stuck to ACC, Gujarat Ambuja and L&T but his over smart cousin would have bought Modi Cement , Kakatiya Cement, Kalyanpur. Ditto for the steel stocks - the smart guy would have bought Tisco others would have lapped up Lloyd Steel , Sunflag Iron. The most glaring instance was in the tech boom. Investors in sector leaders like Infosys and Wipro did not lose as much as those in companies like Silverline and DSQ.

The next change: Organized retailing would continue to gain and companies like Pantaloon Retail and Titan are good businesses to own. Pantaloon is moving away from being a retailing company to a diversified consumer play. Sales are expected to rise 7 - 8 times in the next 4 years with incremental revenues coming from new business verticals like capital, media, brands and the internet.

 

Similarly digitalization should change the very fundamentals in the electronic broadcasting space niche businesses like those from the TV18 group; distribution companies like Dish TV could become really big. There is massive under declaration from the last mile cable operator which should add about US $ 3- 4 billion to the organized sector in the form of higher subscription revenues which come in at no incremental cost. Consider that we pay Rs 70 per month for Economic times and even if TV18 were to get Rs 15 per month from its 30 million viewers across India it would add Rs 540 crores to the pre-tax bottom line. Additionally Tv18 holds valuable internet properties like moneycontrol.com, ibnlive.com etc through Web18 which could be listed in the near future to unlock value.

 

The internet is undergoing rapid growth at more then 50% CAGR. Several companies like Makemytrip.com, Web18 etc would go public in the near future and when they list people would question their valuations but as investors we should take a long term view and stay with the leader (revenue is a good guide) for the entire length of the bull market.

 

Radio is a new space which should grow and companies like ENIL are already being re-rated at the bourses. CRAMS has been a buzzword and Divis has been a big winner but the potential is huge, another space where a change is happening but not in the strict sense of the word is the financial services space where companies like Reliance Capital and Kotak Bank would significantly gain because of their brokerage, AMC and Insurance businesseses. But the trick in playing these changes is to get in early and stay with the leader because finally it is a high risk high reward strategy.

 

The NSE, Bharat Chamber of Commerce and the ICAI Eastern region had conducted a conference titled India Vision 2010. The meet was attended by Madhu Kela, Atul Suri, Gul Tekchandani, Shankar SHarma, S.P. Tulsian etc.This article appeared in a book that was released on that day.



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Posted By: vip1
Date Posted: 18/Jul/2007 at 11:52am
This article appeared in a book that was released on that day.
 
BUT THIS SEEMS MORE OF AN ARTICLE FROM TED
The stocks mentioned are all part of TED's daily Discussions and portfolio .( TV18, PRIL, ENIL, kotak bk,Rel cap,Bharti,Hdfc Bk etc) 


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 18/Jul/2007 at 11:57am
It would because it was written by meThumbs%20Up

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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 12:08pm
Nice! You really seem to like writing.

Who were in the audience, other than the famous ones? Lots of chartered accountants? What else was discussed in 'India Vision 2010'?


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 12:14pm
Basically it was fun and we enjoyed ourselves since we had a small group met each and every analyst/Fund manager personally tried selling them our media and retail ideas; Kela said people will come into the market like bananas!!!
 
Tulsiyan, Gultekchandani, Shanjkar SHarma and Kela all indicated that companies will be evaluated on the basis of their consolidated EPS (Network 18!!!) and finally food was good as it is always at the TAJ!!!
 
 


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Posted By: catchsudipto
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 12:20pm
Dear Sir,
 
Congrats again!!! Hats off to u for this simple, easy to read wounderfull article. I really enjoyed reading it.
 
Expect more of this type of article in the future.


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Posted By: catchsudipto
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 12:24pm
selling them our media and retail ideas
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Dear Sir,
 
What is the view of these famous Fund managers/Analyst on our media and retail ideas?
 
 


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Posted By: vip1
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 12:33pm
Kela said people will come into the market like bananas!!!
 
Basant " Bhed chaal to suna tha " par Kela Ke pische Kele ?LOL


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 12:59pm
Originally posted by vip1

Kela said people will come into the market like bananas!!!
 
Basant " Bhed chaal to suna tha " par Kela Ke pische Kele ?LOL
 
Saare ke saare bhed kela ke chilke pe phislengeWink


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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 1:11pm
BasantJi...........Brilliantly written, and all the points are well articulated and discussed.
 
I think that this article could have been easily titled "Smart Money vs Over Smart Money".
 
Unfortunately in Pharma sector, the reverse happened, no one made good money, where the "Smart Money" bet on Ranbaxy, DRL, Cipla! while the over smart bet on "Dr Morepen" and "Ankur Drugs". The stocks which made money was where no one bet....Divi's and Company!
 
I would request you to make this thread on the "Preffered threads" below the RJ Portfolio and TED Performance for the next few days!
 
 


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 9:42pm

Excellent article Basant jee, congratulations!. It is a discourse on identifying businesses.

Haven't seen any of the expert analysts educating investors in such simpler ways. In fact they try to make it complicated to ensure their job security.
 
 
 


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Posted By: ndzapak
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 10:41pm
Excellent Article-Congratulations Basantjee and thank you for
posting this article on the forum.
 
Identifying structural change in the economy and identfying the leaders
delivering  that structural change is the only way to create long term wealth.


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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 10:50pm
Fabulously written Basantji !!!
 
There was no word on Education.It could be big. Corporate Governance issue remains with Educomp but still it has delivered excellent returns...NIIT and Aptech are other good players in this space...


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Posted By: vivekkumar_in
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 11:02pm
Excellant write up Basantji !

Simple Logical message Strongly delivered with a perspective..Which almost every expert who comes on the Television lacks ...

I believe you could do so much justice if you appear on CNBC TV18 as No-nonsense-Analyst ... Soon you would be sharing table with Udayan ...Clap



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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 11:07pm
Vivek..........You dont know. He has already been on CNBC, NDTV and Company!
 
Have you NOT visited.....http://www.yoursignaturespeaks.com/


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Posted By: mragarwal
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 12:53pm

Great Article Basant Jee. And THANKS for promoting me to a Groupie. :) .. just noticed it today.

Its an honor for me to be a part of this forum where you and other great value investors share your time and wisdom with us.
 
If you or anyone from here is in Delhi, please let me know.. will be great to meet/chatup/ or be the host.
 
Regards


Posted By: vivekkumar_in
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2007 at 3:32am
Originally posted by BubbleVision

Vivek..........You dont know. He has already been on CNBC, NDTV and Company!
 
Have you NOT visited.....http://www.yoursignaturespeaks.com/


Geezaloo ! I did'nt know that !




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P Lynch


Posted By: jstk
Date Posted: 20/Jul/2007 at 6:28pm
Superb article, Basantjee- amazing clarity of thought & wonderfully presented, as always. Congratulations!

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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 20/Jul/2007 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by mragarwal

Great Article Basant Jee. And THANKS for promoting me to a Groupie. :) .. just noticed it today.

Its an honor for me to be a part of this forum where you and other great value investors share your time and wisdom with us.
 
If you or anyone from here is in Delhi, please let me know.. will be great to meet/chatup/ or be the host.
 
Regards
 
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Posted By: gautam
Date Posted: 20/Jul/2007 at 7:30pm
Hello People,
 
Firstly, congratulations to the board for some excellent work on the markets. I have joined the board today and plan to be actively involved.
 
Since we are dealing with the topic...."multibaggers in a structural change" I thought one should look at the Petrochemical sector. A lot of mid-caps and small-caps in this sector look like multibaggers. Right from Andhra Petro, Ig Petro, Mysore Petro, Thirumalai Chem etc.. I am in constant touch with the management of these companies but since I do not go deeply into the fundatementals, it would be great if somebody looked into them. Most of them are turnaround companies going thought a industry cycle change for the better.
 
Disclosure : Holding most of the stocks mentioned. Some have already appreciated by 3-4 times and have potential for 5-10 times even from here.
 
Regards,
Gautam


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Jul/2007 at 8:11pm
Thank you all for those kind words. WHen I was asked to do an article I thought of writing something that people can relate to very easily. Making money in a structural change is very difficult and happens when 99% of the investors miss buying stocks in the change:
 
a) They would not believe that in that change - for example when I bought Pantaloon in 2003 people told me how costly it was to pay rent and run the AC all day long. Similarily each of these companies which look a no brainer now were the ones which investors looked at with supect and disbelief. For example witrh Infosys we said there are no hard assets what does the company own?
 
b) Once they start believing that change (because of stcok price appreciation) then they start to question valuations - Did we not hear the overvalued theory in Bharti, pantaloon, Financial technologies etc. Basically unless 99% of the population miss a change the balance 1% cannot make money.
 
Once people believe in that change and also in the valuation it is no more a change so finally the average Joe and his mother-in-law have to get it wrong!!!


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Posted By: sanjay3
Date Posted: 20/Jul/2007 at 9:11pm

 

Basantjee

great article, thanks for leading us to road to wealth and wisdom

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 20/Jul/2007 at 10:25pm
Originally posted by tyler_durden

Originally posted by mragarwal

Great Article Basant Jee. And THANKS for promoting me to a Groupie. :) .. just noticed it today.

Its an honor for me to be a part of this forum where you and other great value investors share your time and wisdom with us.
 
If you or anyone from here is in Delhi, please let me know.. will be great to meet/chatup/ or be the host.
 
Regards
 
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am from delhi/gurgaon.....Big%20smile

I sometimes do come to Delhi and at other times am traveling due to personal work. How's the property market there in Delhi agrawal ji. Any good bargains anywhere?



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Posted By: s_praharaj
Date Posted: 20/Jul/2007 at 10:37pm
Congratulations Basant on your maiden article of the series you plan to write on Identifying Multibaggers.
Its a very well written article which is totally different from the articles other Analysts generally write.You have in very simple words and with examples nicely explained how to pickup a multibagger from a sunrise industry. Generally people have a habit of grabbing everything from such an industry like inb dotcom boom. But you have rightly advised them the advantages of being with the leaders.
 
All the TEDDIES will be greatly benefitted by the insight you give them.
 
I hope to see more such articles in the days to come.
 
Thanx once again.


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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 20/Jul/2007 at 1:25am
Originally posted by basant

It would because it was written by meThumbs%20Up
 
Basant sir, congratulations for such an engrossing article(as usual, TEDdies expect no less from you anyway Wink).
 
What I wanted to ask was what did you mean by "a book released on that day" and "written by me".
 
I got the part that you were at a common conference kind of scene. The other parts I didn't get, which I mentioned above. Which book was that?
 
And by the way, I had almost MISSED reading your article. I by chance, saw the first page today and THANK GOD I DID!
 
Excellently written article. You have a way with words for sure!!TongueTongue


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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 20/Jul/2007 at 1:29am
Originally posted by kulman

...Haven't seen any of the expert analysts educating investors in such simpler ways. In fact they try to make it complicated to ensure their job security.
 
 
 
 
EXACTLY my sentiments Kulman jee.Tongue


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Jul/2007 at 9:14am
What I wanted to ask was what did you mean by "a book released on that day" and "written by me".
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The conference had released a book which contained articles/writeups from people in the financial services industry. This article featured as one of those in that book.


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 20/Jul/2007 at 10:05am
.....conference had released a book which contained articles/writeups from people in the financial services industry....
 
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Basant jee
 
Is there any other article in that booklet worth reading? If so, kindly post on TED for our benefit. Or a scanned copy may be sent by e-mail to those interested.


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Jul/2007 at 10:31am

Lots of advertisments from big people plus I guess there is an article by Madhu kela will check up and see if it can be posted.



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Posted By: Voyager
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 1:30pm

Hi Basant,

 

Well written! For new readers of the book where it’s been published, it’d be a good read. However, for any visitor/member of this forum, it’s just another day of consolidating jointly-held beliefs.

 

More than your writing, I’d rather compliment you on the temperament & energy with which you lead this forum. Hope that spirit continues! (There is enough & more intelligence on the earth – it’s these two, which are scarce)

 

Taking off from your article, one thing that I’d like to pose to the group is whether the composition of TED-XI lives upto that. Many of the TED-XI stocks have turned out to be multibaggers in the last four year ride of Sensex from 4K-odd to 15K. Over this period, an addition of 10K points has actually multiplied the index by almost 4 times. Going forward, one might hypothesise the same absolute gain in the index, but the multiple factor is surely questionable. In that background, some of the stocks will perhaps not multiply as well as they’ve done in the past. The TED-XI composition is perhaps a balanced one, for a >25% returns without undue risk.

 

Would it make sense to identify a set of new ‘structural change’ stocks that will multiply with GDP growths of 10% & index movement to 25K in 3-4 years time? The forum favourites in this context are Pantaloon, TV18 & NW18, but is there a possibility of even these stocks multiplying by 20 times in the next 5 years? The question to ponder is whether these stocks are ‘discovered’ ones with healthy market caps or would they still classify as ‘hidden gems’. Despite regular updations on TED-XI, is there a point of considering another list of fab-5 stocks with mkt cap less than 200 crs (by applying all the same principles as have been done to select the XI)? Yes indeed, this one would be more roller-coaster, but if built on the Patel-Pabrai principle (Head-I-win, Tails-I-don’t-lose-much), it could create significant value.

 

Probably the forum favourites already are such stocks – simply because structural changes are long lasting phenomenon & not short lived fads - and hence will continue to multiply wealth at an inorganic rate. However, it always, always, pays to explore alternate views continuously so as to void thought inertia!

 

Anways, good luck to all of you. All of you on the forum understand markets & stocks better than me & perhaps more than 99% of people. It’s always nice to read the views of top percentile of thought leaders in any domain!



Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 1:48pm
Originally posted by basant

The conference had released a book which contained articles/writeups from people in the financial services industry. This article featured as one of those in that book.
 
Ok, got you. Thanks Basant jee.


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 2:33pm
Thank you Voyager for your kind words.


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 2:45pm
Originally posted by Voyager

Hi Basant,

 

Well written! For new readers of the book where it’s been published, it’d be a good read. However, for any visitor/member of this forum, it’s just another day of consolidating jointly-held beliefs.

 

More than your writing, I’d rather compliment you on the temperament & energy with which you lead this forum. Hope that spirit continues! (There is enough & more intelligence on the earth – it’s these two, which are scarce)

 

Taking off from your article, one thing that I’d like to pose to the group is whether the composition of TED-XI lives upto that. Many of the TED-XI stocks have turned out to be multibaggers in the last four year ride of Sensex from 4K-odd to 15K. Over this period, an addition of 10K points has actually multiplied the index by almost 4 times. Going forward, one might hypothesise the same absolute gain in the index, but the multiple factor is surely questionable. In that background, some of the stocks will perhaps not multiply as well as they’ve done in the past. The TED-XI composition is perhaps a balanced one, for a >25% returns without undue risk.

 

Would it make sense to identify a set of new ‘structural change’ stocks that will multiply with GDP growths of 10% & index movement to 25K in 3-4 years time? The forum favourites in this context are Pantaloon, TV18 & NW18, but is there a possibility of even these stocks multiplying by 20 times in the next 5 years? The question to ponder is whether these stocks are ‘discovered’ ones with healthy market caps or would they still classify as ‘hidden gems’. Despite regular updations on TED-XI, is there a point of considering another list of fab-5 stocks with mkt cap less than 200 crs (by applying all the same principles as have been done to select the XI)? Yes indeed, this one would be more roller-coaster, but if built on the Patel-Pabrai principle (Head-I-win, Tails-I-don’t-lose-much), it could create significant value.

 

Probably the forum favourites already are such stocks – simply because structural changes are long lasting phenomenon & not short lived fads - and hence will continue to multiply wealth at an inorganic rate. However, it always, always, pays to explore alternate views continuously so as to void thought inertia!

 

Anways, good luck to all of you. All of you on the forum understand markets & stocks better than me & perhaps more than 99% of people. It’s always nice to read the views of top percentile of thought leaders in any domain!

 
Indeed it is more of a problem and less of a challenge looking for multibaggers. I have purposely given less relevance to challenge because many times we dilute existing and stable ideas in the in the quest for new ones.
 
If we look around the new businesses (in addition to the ones that we actually discuss on this forum) are online gaming, internet, restaurants, entertainment parks or theme parks,event management businesses, specialised advertising companies like WPP etc.
 
There could be several others but while trying to identify a new business I look for those ideas which have been proved scalable in other parts of the world.
 
Going forward we may not have the luxory of getting 50 baggers because:
 
a) General market sentiment where the promoter does not sell cheap
b) Availability of easy debt which is a prohibitory force in equity dilution
c) The Private Equity Industry restraints IPO's of quality companies.
d) The bigger houses (Reliance, AV Birla) have become wise to the potential of new businesses so while online gaming ccould be big there is no way to own a stake in zapak.com.
 
I think that as an investor I have scaled down my expectations from the market because we would not enjoy the luxory of http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=382 - PE rerating  in any of the stocks that are identified today.
 
Take a small instance of ENIL. It trades at a PE of more then 40 times so the gains can come only from a EPS expansion. In 2003 Pantaloon traded at a PE of 8 times and it is a 63 bagger for me till date. But out of that a good 10 times has come because of EPS expansion and about 6 times because of PE expansion.
 
Had there been no PE expansion Pantaloon inspite of its rocket growth could have grown only 10 times in price.
 
Going forward we would have only EPS expansion in stocks so the returns get affected to that extent. Occassionally we would have a 30 bagger but not something that many of us would be able to predict with some degree of accuracy.


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Posted By: monu_duggad
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 2:52pm
Great stuff ...keep it up basantji...fundoo article with nice clarity of thought...
when were u on cnbc and ndtv ?....long back kya ?....dint know....wht all u discussed with mitali then ;)


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Posted By: nil_money
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 4:48pm
basantji u r just awesome Smile .....
there is so much of maturity and clearity of thought in ur posts ...
I thanks god 4 getting to read ur thoughts on this awesome forum...
keep rocking
 
Thanks,
Nilesh


Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 6:20pm
I think,Mr. Basant you are,on this thread, touching upon the most crucial elements for those in the business of identifying multibaggers.
 Right now we are indeed in an era of high PE  for high growth unlike in earlier years like ,even 2004.Neverthless one must hold on where explosive growth is expected and this is really a fantastic forum to look beyond stated numbers to identify multibaggers.


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Posted By: catcall
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 9:44pm
COngratulations on the excellent write up, Basantji. Just one thought on this issue... I feel that alongwith the new emerging ideas mentioned by you, the Power sector leaders would continue to give multibagger performance, simply on the basis of the heavy power shortfall that the country is likely to see in the face of strong indusrial growth.. the idea may sound a bit old fashioned when compared to Media and Telecom, but would see the same growth visiblity in the years to come.. What Say you??? 

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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 9:56pm

CatCall...........With your fantastic back ground in the sector you mentioned, I would like to ask you that what specifically are you referring too. Power Utilities .....Or Power & Capital Goods!



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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 9:57pm
....heavy power shortfall that the country is likely to see in the face of strong indusrial growth.. the idea may sound a bit old fashioned when compared to Media and Telecom.........
 
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TV set, Dish antenna, Mobile Charging sab ke liye Power toh chaahiye!!
 
On a serious note, CatCall would you be specific in Power Sector:  generation, transmission, equipment manufacturers, turnkey contractors, alternate energy (wind/solar/nuclear)?
 
 


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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 10:03pm

Wow Kulman.......

 

Modifying a bit of the Old saying.....

 

Great minds differ while Fools think alike.........LOL



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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 10:14pm
Great minds differ while Fools think alike.........
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Ha ha ha.....
 
If you don't mind, I doubt whether I've a mind though!!Wink
 
 


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Posted By: catcall
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 10:21pm
Bubble, I'm refering to both, with a caveat that I would avoid companies into power distribution. Today the order books in these companies is so heavily overbooked, that recently, when we were expediting for an offer for a mid size power plant, the supplier instead of the standard  "please wait one week for our offer" kindl of reply actually replied " if you have any alternate offers, please go ahead, since our quotaton section is booked for the next one month!!

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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 10:29pm

Kulman……..I never mind, as I dont have one, according to some TEDies, as I seem to always be talking which is greek to many!!!

Thanks Catcall. I would like to ask one more thing………is it common to see any cancellations of order if and when the situation demands. Also, do you place any margins upfront while placing the orders?

I am asking this to try and judge the downside and I certainly don’t think(hope) that a cancellation would be required in the first place.



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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 10:36pm

Also, are the order books of power capital goods companies are booked 2 or 3 year ahead. If Yes, cant they bring up capacity to fullfill the demand ahead of time? If Yes to that also, what will happen if the orders fullfilled? If no, why cant the capacity be rammped up to meet the demand?

What is the ramp-up time for Capital goods equipment companies?



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 11:03pm
Originally posted by catcall

COngratulations on the excellent write up, Basantji. Just one thought on this issue... I feel that alongwith the new emerging ideas mentioned by you, the Power sector leaders would continue to give multibagger performance, simply on the basis of the heavy power shortfall that the country is likely to see in the face of strong indusrial growth.. the idea may sound a bit old fashioned when compared to Media and Telecom, but would see the same growth visiblity in the years to come.. What Say you??? 
 
If you are talking about cap goods then there is no change happening just that India is being built at a frenzy pace but the real change is in Nucleur power plants something like a Areva T&D!
 
ALso these companies are finally cyclical though in our context they are yet to reach that stage. Didn't someone say "India is like a runner without shoes!"


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 11:28pm
Didn't someone say "India is like a runner without shoes!"
 
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These words are from none other than Rakesh bhaiyya!
 
Nuclear sector beneficiaries would also include some major Indian companies as well. Generally when US provides technology, the American corporations get major chunk of business. CatCall would be able to throw more light on this aspect.
 
 
 


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Posted By: sanpat
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 11:37pm
Basantji,
 
It is really a great article..thanks for that.
 
Nilkamal Ltd have started @home retail stores in 2005, I believe Mumbai. From last year they have started expanding by opening new branches in cities like hyderabad, Bangalore etc. Their core business is mainly is plastics. I have visited the shop couple of times in Bangalore, it is of 3 floors and have displayed wide range of living room, dining and other interior decoration products. It is slowly becoming a popular store in home furnishings.
The current mcap is around 136 crores and sales turnover around 500 crs for 2006-07.
Can you please take a look at this stock and post your comments.
 
Thanks


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 11:45pm
Originally posted by sanpat

Basantji,
 
It is really a great article..thanks for that.
 
Nilkamal Ltd have started @home retail stores in 2005, I believe Mumbai. From last year they have started expanding by opening new branches in cities like hyderabad, Bangalore etc. Their core business is mainly is plastics. I have visited the shop couple of times in Bangalore, it is of 3 floors and have displayed wide range of living room, dining and other interior decoration products. It is slowly becoming a popular store in home furnishings.
The current mcap is around 136 crores and sales turnover around 500 crs for 2006-07.
Can you please take a look at this stock and post your comments.
 
Thanks
 
They are not leaders and it is always best to remain with leaders as I indicated in that article.
 
 


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 12:37pm
Sanpat jee
 
You may visit this discussion on Nilkamal Plastics – More then just Plastics http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=143 - here on this thread
 
Please do post if you have any fresh inputs.
 
 


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Posted By: kg
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 2:23am

hi

everybody ...firstly thanks basant for such a topic and the article ..brilliant one ...jss wanted toadd to the list ...the opening up of print media and the huge returns in it ... deregulation of airline industry and the money made by all....similarly now we are witnessing the nuclear deal which is gonna create another bounty ......licensing of the 3G will again change dynamics ...basically if we look at the explosive growth in india ....it some what dittoes the one which has happened in the developed economies though the speed has been faster in india given the demographic size and composition...
 
5 year back when i was in singapore i saw the mall mania and had at that time shrugged the idea for india - a very big mistake ( though at this point i would completely agree with one of the other points made by basantji ...holding a stock is to some extent by luck - pantaloon - i hold it from the time of public issue applied by my dad ....) ..at that same time the mobile business is singapore was witnessing tremendous growth - phones were available at almost free cost alongwith the post paid connection - something again which was like seemingly impossible in india at that time ....the kind of penetration of internet in singapore where hey used to teach it in kinder garden ..clear indication for a internet boom ..the kind of infrastructure what singapore and shanghai had at that time is still distant from us and should easily give us an indication on the potential of this sector ...i hv been wanting to go abroad to see and observe some of these changes which can happen in future but have not been able to go ....since this forum has people both from india and aborad would request members contribution on this thought if considered worthwhile ...
 
some sectors which come to my mind are ....
 
 
1.Mall management - are there any companies in the mall management segment ( lotus knowealth or knight frank ) 
2.Service apartment business or property brokerage ( likes of meghraj ) . 3. Also are there any companies in the arena of consumer research ( ac nielsen types ) and consumer connections( market research ) ..something like meme as referred by Kishore biyani in his book ..
4.Private label is gonna be growing big time - any idea companies which can benefit from it ( vvf industries..) ...
5. is GOD TV or MIRACLE TV listed abroad ?
6. Any listed company in advertising space or content development...(Prime focus )
7.Wine for sure ,,,
8. Golf and leisure parks , theme parks
9. IPTV - this is already there in india and just waiting for 3G license ..
10. Nanotechnology ...biometrics ....lifecell
 
may b i have written a lot ...thanks ..pl add ..would wait for ur ideas ..


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Posted By: kg
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 2:29am
i had some more doubts in my mind and would be helpful if someone could guide ...its more macro ..didnt knew where to post it so am positing it ...basantji -request u to direct me to the write forum .,,,
 
its kind of strange but crude is trading at $77 ............metals trading at life time high figures ...US economy still not out of the woods and the sub-prime lending still creating havoc...japanese economy still reeling under pressure and working in a manner which makes yen a depreciating currency  ...but the number of countries showing growth of more than 5% outnumber the declining or not growing countries...india and china growing at greater than 9% ..monetary flows in india and other developing countries not stopping despite government measures leading to inflation in these economies and appreciation of the currencies (china is a diff case ) ...i m unable to solve the maze ...where is it all leading ...is the money on oil driving the world ? Is it Private Equity funds who are driving economies - have bankers across world become more risk taking...What could be the possible reasons ? Globalisation ? technological advancement ? Is it all gonna be lasting ?


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Posted By: nikhil090
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 8:41am
Services provided to the services industry can be big - security (if listed), people like CAMS (MCS has actually blown it) etc. There should be many more services than currently seen which will slowly come up which will not be structural change, but may provide good returns..


Posted By: kg
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 10:36am
some more which came to my mind ...sunrise industry which we call ....dish tv - set top box has been there for ages , mulitplexes again have been for a very long time ...bio-diesel again is something where we dont need to re-invent the wheel - US has been using it for long time .....so can we see some discernible trends in the other markets which could soon make it to india thanks to globalisation ....

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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 21/Jul/2007 at 11:49am
Krishna, you appear to be more convincing even than basant Sir....although such companies are not meant for me at all, yet your arguments are sufficiently persuasive. If someone is willing to sacrifice the financial strength of a company, then such spaces as you mentioned are excellent.


Posted By: catcall
Date Posted: 22/Jul/2007 at 1:44pm

Bubble, there are very few instances of order cancellations since a lot of capital costs have already been incurred, as part of Engineeering inputs, by the clients. with reagrds of ramping up of capacity, well upgrading of capacities in most of these units is already initiated , but upgarding of such a unit itself is a 2~3 years project,which is why most of these units  have already declared that they are fully booked and cannot accept any more orders.

On the point raised by Basantji, that I would beg to differ on the issue that no change is happening on the capital goods sector. Leave aside the order books by themselves, just see what it is doing to the margins of these company. Unlike say someting like RCom, which is dropping rates to gain volumes, these companies are now able to gain both in terms of margins and volumes. The additional capital available to these companies has enabled them to enter into niche areas of manufacturing and international cleints are now looking up to these companies with much more respect and hence orders.
Also note that growth in any sector, be it sugar,manufacturing, capital goods , refining and petrochem cannot take place without massive additions in power production and all these industires must therefore converge on the power sector for support.
The type of power may vary depending on the usage ,size and capital.But irrespective of whether the first source of energy to run the turbine comes from gas ,coal, wind  or neuclear for operating the  mother turbines, downstream sections would be requiring more or less similar units.
In short, if the overall GDP growth is to be maintained anywhere @ the 8~9% plus mark, this industry should show great CAGRs in the comming years and would be multibaggers.... just a personal opinion....


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 22/Jul/2007 at 4:15pm

Some members had mentioned about CRAMS as a very large opportunity under Pharma sector. Perhaps they could post more on the subject..



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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 22/Jul/2007 at 9:47pm
Thanks for the great explanation CatCall!

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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 22/Jul/2007 at 3:07am

Basantjee,

I had a chance to read this article and its really wonderfully articulated !!!

Thanks for this article. I have read it again and again. This also remindes me my faourite interview of Samir arora on Capitalideas http://www.capitalideasonline.com/articles/index.php?id=545 - which I read again and again

http://www.capitalideasonline.com/articles/index.php?id=545
 
In a nutshell one has to have vision/forsight of the radicale changes happening in society and need to identify companies who are going to be benefitted,also one needs to identify the trend early just like you spotted for pantaloon . (I was becoming impatient for Dish TV as it has started  bleeding but your article gave me  courage to give it some more time !!
 


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Posted By: anthro
Date Posted: 12/Oct/2007 at 4:43am
Suggesting Biotechnology ( Biocon ) and GE Capital

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Posted By: ranu888
Date Posted: 06/Jan/2010 at 2:52pm
Aban Offshore, the country's largest oilfield services provider, took a hit of Rs 151 crore when it had to terminate the bare boat charter contract for jack-up rig Murmunskaya 10 months early and return the asset back to its owner. The rig was not deployed since the there was lower demand and it was better for the company to return it instead of paying 3 million USD every month plus maintain it.
Three of Aban's rigs -- two high-end Deep Driller 6 and 7 and an older asset Aban 7 -- are currently idle. Three more are coming up for renewal in 6 months. The company has started to lower its day rates and has been aggressively marketing the rigs globally.
The number of onshore and offshore rigs exploring oil and natural gas globally has fallen to 2,313 in March from 2,753 a year ago. Close to 45 active offshore rigs are operating in Indian waters.
With the demand for jack-up rigs moderating, charter rates, which were soaring till mid 2008, are also softening. Aban Offshore's deep water semi-submersible Aban Pearl, capable of drilling up to 1,250 ft, was contracted at a day rate close to $3,60,000. Now the company is looking at deploying them at lowered rates, even as much as 25% lesser than the prevailing rates.



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Posted By: MR TED
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 5:22pm
Oil and gas industry seems to be witnessing some structural changes with deregulation etc. However, this industry was once deregulated way back around 2000 and then again regulated.
What are Teddies views on owning resources companies like oil, gas and coal for long term? These are most regulated at present.
Also, Fertilizers are very much regulated and needs reforms. Most wealth is created with government reforms. Can these two sectors be good for long term - Resources and Fertlizers?
 
Basantji, your thought for these two sectors please. I understand that resources like commodities is cyclical but if we think somehow these are also related to Consumers. MOre people, more income, more vehicles more fuel demand, more real estate, more houses, more power, more gas, more plants for Zydus, TTK Prestige, more power, more oil, more gas, more coal
 
Similarly Fertlizers can also be linked to Consumers. Infact, is there any sector which we cannot link to Consumers?


Posted By: MR TED
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2011 at 12:25pm
Also, i feel water treatment and waste management will be an interesting sector to watch. Many infra companies have shifted their focus on these areas. Developed economies give lot of importance to these sectors of sustainability. Basantji your views on the sectors I mentioned?

All positive negative view welcome from Teddies on - Resources (companies owning them), fertilizers and water treatment/waste management sectors.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2011 at 6:55am
Thermax and Vatech come to mind but not looked at Vatech closely.

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Posted By: MR TED
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2011 at 10:00am
If we closely look at past orders and current running orders and orders in pipeline of say Patel Engineering, we get to see this -
1. Major past orders are of Dams. They built many dams at different locations of the world until 2005
2. Somewhere in between their focus shifted to full fledged Hydro Projects, which is still in progress
3. Their maximum current projects and the one in pipeline are in Water irrigation infrastructure

Also, Praj Industries in specializing in constructing water treatment plants

The finances of these companies are not compelling for investment, but Patel is not so bad also, decent PE, Mcap of just 1000Cr with much more order book and sales


Posted By: MR TED
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2011 at 10:08am
Originally posted by basant

Thermax and Vatech come to mind but not looked at Vatech closely.


Thanks Basantji for your inputs! I will note these and do some research on these two.
Can you please guide me and throw some light from a macro point of view on the 3 sectors i mentioned. Macro, economic for long term with respect to evolving situation in India

Thanks


Posted By: hit2710
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2011 at 10:14am
I think govt psu like MOIL and Coal India might make very interesting investment bets for the medium to longer term due to the near monopoly enjoyed by them. Plus with nuclear power plants on the back burner for now, most of power will be generated from coal which could lead to good demand for coal from here on.

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Posted By: MR TED
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2011 at 10:23am
Originally posted by hit2710

I think govt psu like MOIL and Coal India might make very interesting investment bets for the medium to longer term due to the near monopoly enjoyed by them. Plus with nuclear power plants on the back burner for now, most of power will be generated from coal which could lead to good demand for coal from here on.


I agree about Coal India, the IPO was just a start of profits for investors. There is already huge demand for coal which is not being met by what india produces. Same goes for oil and gas.
Interestingly, Coal prices do not affect inflation much, so they are not under much regulation, but still below international prices.
50% of floating stock of Coal India is held by FIIs and many corporates like RIL hold a decent chunk.

I feel that the energy for next decade or two will be gas, particularly new technologies coming up in Gas like Shale gas, coal bed methane and government slowly giving in to good prices for gas. Recently government has announced very attractive price for Coal bed methane gas.

Coal and Oil will be always in demand and in shortage in India, but Gas from new technologies can provide the kicker.




Posted By: siloni
Date Posted: 12/Apr/2011 at 10:30pm
Originally posted by basant

Thermax and Vatech come to mind but not looked at Vatech closely.
 
 
also can have a look at chembond chemicals- a little long term  and chemfab alkali in water treatment and management solutions
 


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Posted By: manish_okhade
Date Posted: 12/Apr/2011 at 11:17pm
Originally posted by hit2710

I think govt psu like MOIL and Coal India might make very interesting investment bets for the medium to longer term due to the near monopoly enjoyed by them.
 
Hitesh,
 
CIL price already reflects the monopoly, just look at present MCAP which is 4rth largest,still does not digest that it will leave behind RIL, ONGC,TCS. Its hard to imagine that MCAP has enough upside left, i am in fact seeing good short opportunity.....Embarrassed


Posted By: MR TED
Date Posted: 12/Apr/2011 at 1:06am
Originally posted by manish_okhade

Originally posted by hit2710

I think govt psu like MOIL and Coal India might make very interesting investment bets for the medium to longer term due to the near monopoly enjoyed by them.
 
Hitesh,
 
CIL price already reflects the monopoly, just look at present MCAP which is 4rth largest,still does not digest that it will leave behind RIL, ONGC,TCS. Its hard to imagine that MCAP has enough upside left, i am in fact seeing good short opportunity.....Embarrassed


Manishji, RIL, ONGC and TCS will also grow with time. So that will leave enough room for CIL to grow and still remain at 4 Smile

Read an article which talked about owning resources, commodities stocks which have pricing power and good demand to do good in times of high inflation.

Also, an interesting point in Gas I came across. Government will try to come out with a different kind of subsidy mechanism, at least intent is there. To come up with this kind of a subsidy mechanism, u need distribution of gas at every house, u need to promote LNG, because India imports most of its gas and LPG is not cost effective. Once, LPG is replaced, then LNG in every household will cost very less per month basis and subsidy could be given directly to only the households who actually need them.

This was discussed by bigshots of oil n gas government commissions and GAIL top ppl

No wonder why Mr Mukesh had that LNG pact with BP..what foresight!
Sometimes I feel, Mr Mukesh sits with top ppl of government and they decide future government policies and business decisions together Smile


Posted By: camanoj
Date Posted: 25/May/2011 at 12:24pm

Madras Fertilizers (listed on NSE) is going through a structural change and can be a multibagger. Here are a few pointers:-

a. Madras Fertilizers is going to get INR 550 crore debt waiver along with waiver on accumulated interest thereon. This corrects its balance sheet at a stroke.
 
b. Company has paid off all lenders by settling dues under debt restructuring. The only debt that it has now is from Govt.
 
c. It makes Urea, which is in short supply and has to be imported at international prices. Govt wants to ramp up Urea production within India and hence incentivising. A new policy on the lines of non-urea fertilizers is under consideration.
 
d. Company has three plants for complex fertilizers. One is being used for toll production for IFFCO. Another one is going to commence operations soon. Third one is under upgradation and will commence later. Complex fertilzer plants have fixed costs of INR 35 crore, which is not being recovered as of now and is a drag on Urea profits. Once 2nd plant commences, it would be able to atleast recover fixed costs. Hence, company's profits would be higher by atleast INR 35crore.
 
e. Interest costs would come down drastically post debt waiver. This will enhance bottom line.
 
f. GoI had given assistance to company to restructure its Urea operations. As a result Urea operations profitability has improved substantially leading to a turnaround. PAT (cleaned for extraordinaries & exceptionals) of INR 51 crore in Q3FY11 and INR 105cr in Q4FY11.
 
g. Company currently uses Naptha as fuel and is converting its plant to run on Gas fuel. This would enhance its efficiency and profitability substantially.
 
h. In Q3FY11, it had INR 47.5 crore gain from one time settlement. In Q4FY11, it had gain of 77 crore on one time settlement with lenders. It paid 78 crores in salaries revision arears for last 5 years in Q4FY11. The above mentoined PAT numbers are after removing impact of these items.
 
i. At Q4FY11 annualised PAT (418 crore), P/E is 0.9 only (INR 23 stock price, market cap 370 crore). AT TTM PAT of 124 crore, P/E is 3 only. TTM PAT is after taking into account net loss of 36 crore in Q2FY11 due to statutory inspection & maintenance shutdown.
 
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Posted By: valuepicks
Date Posted: 25/May/2011 at 5:09pm
structural change is with reference to the industry/sector/economy. Not what's structurally changing within the company.

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Posted By: rinkumalpani
Date Posted: 25/May/2011 at 5:18pm
what about the oil marketting sector...does it need to be relooked?


Posted By: photon
Date Posted: 06/Oct/2011 at 5:33pm
I think one of "mega structural change" that may be underway is hard landing of Chinese economy. [ http://www.businessinsider.com/the-truth-about-the-china-an-economy-on-the-verge-of-a-nervous-breakdown-2011-10 - An analysis here ]

One of the obvious and visible impact is commodities crashing over last few weeks.

Seniors, please do comment on what is their take on China situation and how investors in India may benefit from it.


PS : Basant Ji - Please move it to a different/new thread, As I could not find an appropriate place


Posted By: p_pandekar
Date Posted: 07/Oct/2011 at 10:27am
people are prediction an deflationary/inflationary depression. We don't know if that will come true. If deflationary all prices will come down its best to be with companies which do not have to reduce prices too much. If inflationary its best to be with companies which can raise prices. Both ways companies with strong brands and which do business with common man have an advantage. Stock prices will move up and down but over the long haul good business will flourish and stock markets will always come back to their senses.


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