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Topic: Wanted Tax advice -Please contribute
Posted By: investor
Subject: Wanted Tax advice -Please contribute
Date Posted: 11/Jul/2007 at 9:59am
Basantji,

Considering that IT returns filing deadline is approaching, everyone will
be having a lot of doubts/issues on the new forms(why have they unnecessarily made it so complex?), so i think it would be a good idea to start a new thread for discussing tax issues, etc



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 11/Jul/2007 at 10:18am
Unfortunately I am no tax expert but surely with so many software profs here we should try and see if someof our CA's on this forum can lend a helping hand. Devesh being a CA Inter candidate could lead from the front as he always does.
 
 


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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 11/Jul/2007 at 10:28am
The way they have structured the ITR-2 forms, a ordinary guy cannot fill up on his own, because in a lot of places there is reference to "Sections" defined
in the IT act, which we have no clue about, and only CA's would know.

For example, my main confusion is in "Schedule CG" for entering our
short term capital gains information.

Section 5 under Schedule CG says "Short term capital gain under section 111A" while Section 6 under Schedule CG says "Short term capital gain other than referred to in section 111A"

Now i have no clue what this section 111A is all about and under what column to enter my short term capital gains.

The Finance ministry has really made it cumbersome by introducing these
new forms this year!! AngryAngryAngryAngry

Originally posted by basant

Unfortunately I am no tax expert but surely with so many software profs here we should try and see if someof our CA's on this forum can lend a helping hand. Devesh being a CA Inter candidate could lead from the front as he always does.
 
 


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The market is a place where people with money meet people with experience.
The people with experience get the money while people with money get experience!


Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 11/Jul/2007 at 11:21am
I am not competent enough to advice on IT..I think a practising CA would be the best person to consult..
 
Praveen ji can pitch in here..


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Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 12/Jul/2007 at 3:11pm
Section 111A deals with short term capital gain on sale of shares through stock exchange on which 10% tax is payable. For your reference excerpts of section 111 A are given below:
 
Tax on short term capital gains in certain cases.

111A. (1) Where the total income of an assessee includes any income chargeable under the head Capital gains, arising from the transfer of a short-term capital asset, being an equity share in a company or a unit of an equity oriented fund and

(a) the transaction of sale of such equity share or unit is entered into on or after the date on which Chapter VII of the Finance (No. 2) Act, 2004 comes into force; and

(b) such transaction is chargeable to securities transaction tax under that Chapter,

the tax payable by the assessee on the total income shall be the aggregate of

(i) the amount of income-tax calculated on such short-term capital gains at the rate of ten per cent; and

(ii) the amount of income-tax payable on the balance amount of the total income as if such balance amount were the total income of the assessee:

Provided that in the case of an individual or a Hindu undivided family, being a resident, where the total income as reduced by such short-term capital gains is below the maximum amount which is not chargeable to income-tax, then, such short-term capital gains shall be reduced by the amount by which the total income as so reduced falls short of the maximum amount which is not chargeable to income-tax and the tax on the balance of such short-term capital gains shall be computed at the rate of ten per cent.

(2) Where the gross total income of an assessee includes any short term capital gains referred to in sub-section (1), the deduction under Chapter VI-A shall be allowed from the gross total income as reduced by such capital gains.

Explanation.For the purposes of this section, the expression equity oriented fund shall have the meaning assigned to it in the Explanation to clause (38) of section 10]



Posted By: kishanpv
Date Posted: 12/Jul/2007 at 3:51pm
Tks Praveenji but one request it might be very useful if u can translate it to plain english with some examples. This will be of great help.


Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 12/Jul/2007 at 4:22pm
Under section 111 A, 10% tax is charged on short term captal gain on sale of shares through stock exchanges.
 
If total income excluding such short term capital gain as stated above, is less than Rs 100000 for the financial year 2006-07 in case of individual male, tax on short term capital gain as stated above shall be reduced on the amount by which total income excluding short term capital gain is less than Rs 100000.
 
Deductions under chapter VI A will not be given on short term capital gain as stated above.(i.e. deduction u/s 80 C etc.)


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 12/Jul/2007 at 4:52pm
Good job Praveenji. You are being a great help to our techies who need this information very dearly.

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Posted By: us121
Date Posted: 13/Jul/2007 at 8:15am
A link providing all the soft copies of return filing forms:

http://www.bcasonline.org/drafts_forms/formlist.asp?1



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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 16/Jul/2007 at 1:52pm
According to a column in dnaindia.com dated today,


"Long term capital gains made through stocks sold through stock exchange, which are not taxed, are not to be mentioned."

This means we dont need to mention any LTCG made from sale of
shares, in the return forms?




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The people with experience get the money while people with money get experience!


Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 16/Jul/2007 at 3:14pm
Though LTCG made from sale of shares through stock exchange is exempt from tax but proper disclosure in tax return should be made.
 
For example in ITR-2, you may refer to Column 3 of Schedule EI for such disclosure.


Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 16/Jul/2007 at 3:58pm
Yes, that was my understanding as well, till i read this article, which seems to be incorrect.

As you rightly said, Long term capital gains from shares should be entered in
to Column 3 of Schedule EI.

Should we enter the same details again in Schedule CG - Section B?

What is the difference between Schedule CG- Section B(for long term capital gains) and Column 3 of Schedule EI?


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The people with experience get the money while people with money get experience!


Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 16/Jul/2007 at 4:29pm
Please refer to Schedule EI and read the heading carefully. Your query will find the answer. The heading says Details of exempt income (Income not to be included in Total Income)  . Therefore,  Schedule CG will contain taxable capital gain and schedule EI will contain exempt capital gain. 


Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 16/Jul/2007 at 4:33pm

I am aware of the difference in the wordings, but isnt all Long tem capital
gains from shares having zero tax, which means it is exempt income,
so what would someone enter in Schedule CG, Section B?

Is it for capital gains from house/property transactions?

Originally posted by praveenmbd

Please refer to Schedule EI and read the heading carefully. Your query will find the answer. The heading says Details of exempt income (Income not to be included in Total Income)  . Therefore,  Schedule CG will contain taxable capital gain and schedule EI will contain exempt capital gain. 


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The market is a place where people with money meet people with experience.
The people with experience get the money while people with money get experience!


Posted By: kishanpv
Date Posted: 16/Jul/2007 at 4:34pm

Tks Praveenji.

1) Incase of bonus shares what is the tax implication.
Say, i have 100 shares at 50 c.m.p, it goes for a bonus of 1:1. what would be the tax if i sell
a) the bonus shares allotted
b) the previous shares i own.
 
2) What would be the tax implication on a similar situation as above but with stock split?
 
didnt get any concrete answers for the same. Hence mailing you.
 


Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 16/Jul/2007 at 4:39pm
Originally posted by investor


I am aware of the difference in the wordings, but isnt all Long tem capital
gains from shares having zero tax, which means it is exempt income,
so what would someone enter in Schedule CG, Section B?

Is it for capital gains from house/property transactions?

Originally posted by praveenmbd

Please refer to Schedule EI and read the heading carefully. Your query will find the answer. The heading says Details of exempt income (Income not to be included in Total Income)  . Therefore,  Schedule CG will contain taxable capital gain and schedule EI will contain exempt capital gain. 
 
No, only shares sold through stock exchange are exempt from capital gain tax. Shares which are sold directly( not through stock exchange) are taxable and need to be included in Schedule CG.


Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 16/Jul/2007 at 4:47pm
Originally posted by kishanpv

Tks Praveenji.

1) Incase of bonus shares what is the tax implication.
Say, i have 100 shares at 50 c.m.p, it goes for a bonus of 1:1. what would be the tax if i sell
a) the bonus shares allotted
b) the previous shares i own.
 
2) What would be the tax implication on a similar situation as above but with stock split?
 
didnt get any concrete answers for the same. Hence mailing you.
 
 
1) Bonus shares cost is taken at nil. Therefore, on sale of bonus shares entire sale proceed will be deemed to be capital gain ( short term or long term depending on the holding period of bonus shares)
 
2) On stock split, cost of acquisition will be splitted proportionately.


Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 16/Jul/2007 at 5:15pm
Good point. I forgot about that. Thanks for clearing it up! Tongue

Originally posted by praveenmbd

Originally posted by investor


I am aware of the difference in the wordings, but isnt all Long tem capital
gains from shares having zero tax, which means it is exempt income,
so what would someone enter in Schedule CG, Section B?

Is it for capital gains from house/property transactions?

Originally posted by praveenmbd

Please refer to Schedule EI and read the heading carefully. Your query will find the answer. The heading says Details of exempt income (Income not to be included in Total Income)  . Therefore,  Schedule CG will contain taxable capital gain and schedule EI will contain exempt capital gain. 
 
No, only shares sold through stock exchange are exempt from capital gain tax. Shares which are sold directly( not through stock exchange) are taxable and need to be included in Schedule CG.


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The market is a place where people with money meet people with experience.
The people with experience get the money while people with money get experience!


Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 16/Jul/2007 at 5:20pm
Just wanted to add this regarding option (b) in your query.

The tax on the original shares would be calculated normally based on holding period. A lot of people sell after record date and book artificial loss(in your example, you will have 200 shares at 25 rs each after the bonus, and if you sell the first 100 shares at 25, you can actually book
a loss in your books. This is totally legal and lot of people do this in order to reduce their capital gains, and will continue to hold on to
the so-called "free" bonus shares(since cost of acquisition is zero)


Originally posted by praveenmbd

Originally posted by kishanpv

Tks Praveenji.

1) Incase of bonus shares what is the tax implication.
Say, i have 100 shares at 50 c.m.p, it goes for a bonus of 1:1. what would be the tax if i sell
a) the bonus shares allotted
b) the previous shares i own.
 
2) What would be the tax implication on a similar situation as above but with stock split?
 
didnt get any concrete answers for the same. Hence mailing you.
 
 
1) Bonus shares cost is taken at nil. Therefore, on sale of bonus shares entire sale proceed will be deemed to be capital gain ( short term or long term depending on the holding period of bonus shares)
 
2) On stock split, cost of acquisition will be splitted proportionately.


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The market is a place where people with money meet people with experience.
The people with experience get the money while people with money get experience!


Posted By: kishanpv
Date Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 3:26pm
Tks for answering my previous query.
 
Can you let me know which insurance cover is good in terms of service (vis-a-vis cost) for a term insurance.
 
I'm aware of Met life charging the lowest premium for term insurance. Any inputs on their service level ?
 
Was also thinking of Reliance for their Health cover (Rs.999 for 1lac).
 
waiting for ur inputs


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 4:02pm
Look at kotak for term cover if you are a non smoker and do not take alchohol.

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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 6:46pm
ICICI Prudential provides good service .. and term cover is at a decent price !
 
 
Originally posted by kishanpv

Tks for answering my previous query.
 
Can you let me know which insurance cover is good in terms of service (vis-a-vis cost) for a term insurance.
 
I'm aware of Met life charging the lowest premium for term insurance. Any inputs on their service level ?
 
Was also thinking of Reliance for their Health cover (Rs.999 for 1lac).
 
waiting for ur inputs


Posted By: kishanpv
Date Posted: 04/Sep/2007 at 4:34pm
Tks for your inputs.
 
How about Medical cover (cover for entire family guess it is known as floater)


Posted By: Shankru
Date Posted: 04/Sep/2007 at 5:15pm
Hi,
 
I hold scrips for very long term and don't do short term trading. My only income is from long term capital gains and dividends. DO I need to file IT returns?


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 04/Sep/2007 at 5:35pm
I think that if you do not fall under the taxable limit in terms of income you should not file return but still prudence demands that you file returns because when these shares become big in value the It dept. might raise an objection.

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Posted By: Shankru
Date Posted: 04/Sep/2007 at 6:05pm
Yes. I think that's sensible. But what objection could they possibly have?

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 04/Sep/2007 at 7:22pm
Say if after 10 years you file a return with a capital gain of Rs 80 lac then probably they might become uneasy hence it is prudent to move it from under their nose each year.

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Posted By: leo2007
Date Posted: 04/Sep/2007 at 7:48pm
The IT dept might ask you to provide your source of income for  the original investments. If you file Return , after many years, if will be difficult for you to provide the details. It is , therefore, better to file the Return every year and discolse your income.


Posted By: joslinjose9
Date Posted: 19/Jun/2008 at 6:36pm

helo everybody,

 i have 95 lakhs rupees cash in hand.i want to put it in fixed deposit which i will get 9% annual interest.can anybody hellp me to know the tax amount which i have to pay .
 
 
   expecting reply
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Jun/2008 at 7:35pm
Inflation is 10% so you would lose 1% on the amount every year!


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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 19/Jun/2008 at 7:57pm
Originally posted by joslinjose9

helo everybody,

 i have 95 lakhs rupees cash in hand.i want to put it in fixed deposit which i will get 9% annual interest.can anybody hellp me to know the tax amount which i have to pay .
 
 
   expecting reply
 
 
FD...not a good idea Joslin jee! Better option to go for a good dividend yield stock with steady growth prospects.
 
But THE BEST option, would be to buy HDFC Bank with all the amount. I would, if I were you.


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Posted By: gwhunting
Date Posted: 19/Jun/2008 at 8:05pm
I would not put all that money (which is a LOT) into stocks.. diversify it.. FD,stocks,bonds etc..

And no idea about the tax sir. Try asking the bank representative.


Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 20/Jun/2008 at 12:28pm

I think you will go straight into the 30% tax bracket. So out of your 9 lacs interest income, you will have to pay out approximately 3 lacs to the Govt as tax.

So your post-tax returns will be 6% per annum.
 
If a bank is offering 9%, I suggest you go ahead with it. You will get a post-tax interest income of around Rs. 50,000 per month. Invest this amount in stocks every month - that will take care of inflation.
 
 
 
 


Posted By: chimak10
Date Posted: 20/Jun/2008 at 12:44pm
95 Lacs

Why would some one post that kind of amount on a public forum

If I were in u r position i would put it in FD and just chill. BUT i am not too ambitious and a weasel kindda guy.

So take u r pick.

And i dont think inflation is a any kind of big problem for u.


Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 20/Jun/2008 at 2:33pm

That was yesterday.
Today its 11% and he would end up losing 2% every year!! Cry

Originally posted by basant

Inflation is 10% so you would lose 1% on the amount every year!


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The people with experience get the money while people with money get experience!


Posted By: equity analyst
Date Posted: 20/Jun/2008 at 8:59pm
well if u want safety as well as returns then put 20,000,00 in a MIP(Monthly income plan) that will fetch u regular monthly dividend(not fixed though), but will get returns of 11% and above, put another 40,000,00 in bank FD u will get approx 9.5% returns before tax , put 25,00,000 in good dividend yield Mutual fund for tax free dividends, and the remaining 10,000,00 invest in    large cap Blue chip stocks which will generate returns consistently on long term.  

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Posted By: praveen
Date Posted: 04/Jul/2008 at 1:32pm

You can look at FMPs. Many of them are offering above 10 %,

Indian hotel deb looks very goo which was trading at 13 % discount around rs 87 while face value is rs 100.

after 33 months u get around 15 % on premium on maturity. plus u will get 6 % interest that too on rs 100 while investment will be rs 87.
IRR is 11- 12%, if bought at 87. (assuming zero tax since i dont know the tax treatment of the same)
 
Praveen


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Posted By: Musketeer
Date Posted: 27/Jul/2008 at 12:39pm
Hi Everyone, esp those with knowledge of Tax rules in India.
How are the short-term and long-term capital losses adjusted/ carried forward?
Could someone throw light on the latest rules that apply to the FY07-08, pls?
It is that time of the year again(filing returns), and a quick reply would be really helpful.


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Posted By: tarkeshwar
Date Posted: 27/Jul/2008 at 10:47am
My doubt is a subset of Musketeer's:

Can short term capital loss in stock market carried forward to future years?



Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 29/Jul/2008 at 10:02am

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1180530 - Don’t lose sight of your capital gains




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Posted By: vishnu
Date Posted: 30/Jul/2008 at 6:16pm

FOR FREE TAX ADVICE ONE CAN LOG ON TO THE FOLLOWING LINK http://shareurinfo.com - http://shareurinfo.com

 


Posted By: kumardiwesh
Date Posted: 18/Aug/2008 at 3:56pm

I want to put my money in ELSS.

Which ones would be the best?
And yes, should I put all my money in one scheme or spread it across different schemes?


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Posted By: nitin_jagtap
Date Posted: 18/Aug/2008 at 4:18pm
HDFC Taxsaver and SBI Magnum tax saver are ones which have consistently delivered good returns ...

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Posted By: kumardiwesh
Date Posted: 29/Aug/2008 at 1:25pm
What about Franklin India Taxshield, Birla Equity, HDFC Long term Advantage Fund, Principal Tax Savings and
Prudential ICICI Tax Plan?
Can anyone evaluate these 5 vis-a-vis HDFC Taxsaver and SBI Magnum tax saver?







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Posted By: nitin_jagtap
Date Posted: 29/Aug/2008 at 1:30pm

IMO Except Franklin Taxshiled and Pru ICICI Tax Plan ...the rest should favourably compare with HDFC tax saver or SBI Magnum.

Check http://www.valueresearchonline.com - www.valueresearchonline.com for indepth analysis of these funds


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Posted By: kumardiwesh
Date Posted: 29/Aug/2008 at 1:45pm
Thanks for the link.
Do all these funds have a lock-in of 3 yrs?
How's Sundaram tax saver?


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Posted By: kumardiwesh
Date Posted: 29/Aug/2008 at 1:47pm

All of these funds seem to have similar holdings.



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Posted By: nitin_jagtap
Date Posted: 29/Aug/2008 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by kumardiwesh

Thanks for the link.
Do all these funds have a lock-in of 3 yrs?
How's Sundaram tax saver?
 
Not sure of sundaram but it has been there for quite while in market so should have seen couple of cycles already and should be above average for sure ...sundaram arent very aggresive but still quite good..... all ELSS have 3 year lock in period .... many funds will have similar holding atleast the top 10 will be more or less the same ...it the abiltiy of fund manager that makes the difference.


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Posted By: anshumanmohta
Date Posted: 29/Aug/2008 at 12:25pm
i think u should go in for a fund which does not has a very reasonably big size of aum, believe me i have been investing in elsss frm the past 4 yrs, i feel the best funds to invest know are sundaram and principal personal tax saver also birla is reasonable, but i will spread it across these three with weightage as per the order mentioned. 

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Posted By: anshumanmohta
Date Posted: 29/Aug/2008 at 12:27pm
and one more thing u cannot choose a fund like this, u have to check the fund as per ur risk taking ability. some are aggressive, some deffensive so u will have to define ur risk apetitte first. This is my suggestion , just do not go by the traditional methods

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Posted By: kumardiwesh
Date Posted: 15/Sep/2008 at 1:43am
Which scheme of Sundaram are you exactly talking about?

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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 09/Dec/2008 at 8:12pm
Originally posted by kumardiwesh

I want to put my money in ELSS.

Which ones would be the best?
And yes, should I put all my money in one scheme or spread it across different schemes?


If I'm not mistaken, I think Templeton has an ELSS which is purely a Nifty Index tracking fund. So no fund manager benefits or headaches! Just the market returns.




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Posted By: catcall
Date Posted: 09/Dec/2008 at 8:55pm
To the best of my knowledge, Franklin India Index Tax Fund , is the only ELSS fund that tracks the nifty

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Posted By: hirenkn
Date Posted: 16/Jan/2009 at 12:12pm
Hello everyone.
                        Don't know where am i suppose to be having a intro done but let me do it here.
Hi i' m Hiren and im 26 and doing a job . I have been trading from the the last year.I was a day trader  Before. but now have minimised my risk by not doing what i used to do TongueTongue..Dam i lost a lot by doing it..Anyway now i just invest  and im still under some loss from day trading esp..I have some doubts in my mind.I request the board members to help me and guide me..Please bare with my english too as im not gramatically correct..
 
Lets say i made a loss of 25k by doing Day trading and I made a profit of 26k from short term.Now i would like to know How much of Short term capital gain tax do i need to pay for this & viceversa?
 


Posted By: lahratla
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2009 at 8:18am
I have claimed TDS refunds through a tax consultant. He said that the refund cheque is already with him, but he his out of town and he has not yet given me the cheque. So, what to do in case he is not giving me the cheque at all? Can I request a new cheque to the issuing authority claiming that the cheque is lost in transit? Who to contact? Please help.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2009 at 8:46am
Of course you can get another cheque issued stating any reason for the first one.


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Posted By: bijoy_ajj
Date Posted: 24/Apr/2010 at 12:40pm

Is monthly postal scheme eligible for tax deduction?..



Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 24/Apr/2010 at 2:41pm
a good forum



Posted By: manish_okhade
Date Posted: 24/Apr/2010 at 3:48pm

Heard that Govt is imposing 10.5% service tax for outstanding amt for house/Apt under construction.

Is it finalized/imposed?


Posted By: bijoy_ajj
Date Posted: 09/May/2010 at 3:47pm
Hi friends,
 
How do I find and get my previous years filed IT Returns?
 
I need it badly for some reason.. i am sure that i have filled it but lost all the copies which i had for previous years..
 
Thanks in advance..


Posted By: chimak10
Date Posted: 09/May/2010 at 4:12pm
Well the best way is to ask your CA he would charge you some money and the baksheesh of the IT clerk.


Posted By: bijoy_ajj
Date Posted: 09/May/2010 at 9:15pm
Isn't there any site which will show the information with proper submission of information


Posted By: anthro
Date Posted: 09/May/2010 at 1:35am
Bijoy
 
Monthly Post office scheme is not eligible for tax benefit under Sec 80 C . Further please also note that though there is no Tax deducted at Source on Post office MIS the onus is on the investor to declare this income in your returns and pay tax on the same . So unlike PPF for example Post office MIS is taxable.This makes it a poor choice for someone in the 30% bracket as your effective return is not 8% as promised .
 
I have given below a simplistic net effective return calculation for someone in the 30% slab :
 
Promised returns on PO MIS     : 8     %
Bonus 10% for 6 Years             : 1.67 %
 
Total return                               : 9.67 %
Less Tax 30%+Cess 3%           : 2.99  %
 
Net Return                                : 6.68   %
 
Net return is less than inflation or just about .


Posted By: bijoy_ajj
Date Posted: 11/May/2010 at 12:44pm
Thanks a ton anthropod..
 
Do you know any MIP which comes under 80c..?


Posted By: anthro
Date Posted: 11/May/2010 at 10:45am
Bijoy
 
For 80 C benefit monthly schemes you can look at 5 year Bank Fixed Deposits .Another option is POTD ( Post office term deposit ) where effective interest is 7.71 % as this is paid annually ( but compunded quarterly ) .
 
However My recommendation is to put maximum possible in Employee PF as voluntary contribution as return is currently 8.5 % tax free . Balance subject to max of 70000 in PPF which gives 8 % tax free .This would be an effective long term security on retirement / resignation  .


Posted By: bijoy_ajj
Date Posted: 12/May/2010 at 6:28pm
Thanks for your time!Big%20smile


Posted By: new2investing
Date Posted: 22/Sep/2010 at 11:14am

can anyone suggest which is the better option for tax planning under 80c

investing in mutual funds through SIP or opting for a PPF or any other option available(except life insurance and EPF).


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Posted By: LearningToFly
Date Posted: 23/Sep/2010 at 1:02pm

I see this concern from few of my friends. We are talking about 1 lakh limit, isn't it?

Why is this a big deal. The PF itself takes the lion share (about 50-70K). You only have the remaining 30-50K to invest. I am sure all of us take some insurance which covers this remaining amount. Where is the reason to worry about tax saving. This itself covers 1 lakh.

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Posted By: pkumar
Date Posted: 23/Sep/2010 at 1:46pm
tax planning under 80c depends upon your age and risk appetite as well
Go for ELSS till DTC is not imposed or just subscribe to NPS to have exposure to equity as well in absence of ELSS.
If you have set a long term plan for sec 80 c savings first chioice should be the investments in equity either through ELSS, NPS or ULIP.
***Be double aware of your ULIP plan and hold it for 20 years to gain maximum return.****
 
If you are near your retirement, go for EPF and PPF


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Posted By: pkumar
Date Posted: 07/Oct/2010 at 1:50pm
Has any of the TEDDIES subscribed to New Pension Scheme
If yes, please share your experience


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Posted By: smarar
Date Posted: 07/Oct/2010 at 9:36pm
2010-2011
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Section 80C (Exempt -Exempt -Exempt)

PPF(Public Provident Fund)
EPF (Employee Provident Fund)
Equity Linked Saving Scheme (ELSS) use "SIP " mode
5 year bank FDs
if you have a home loan and the house is in your possesion and fully constructed , you can claim 100000 as 80C tax deductible
Pension scheme -NPS , LIC and various private bodies
Insurance scheme -LIC , ICICI, Kotak , UTI

Addtional 80C extra
Indrastructure bonds - IDFC , LIC 20000/-

Under proposed DTC, from April 2011 onwards

Section 80C (Exempt -Exempt -Exempt)
PPF(Public Provident Fund)
EPF (Employee Provident Fund)
if you have a home loan and the house is in your possesion and fully constructed , you can claim 100000 as 80C tax deductible
Pension scheme -NPS

Addtional 80C extra
Indrastructure bonds - IDFC , LIC 20000/-


Section 80C (Exempt -Exempt -Tax)
Equity Linked Saving Scheme (ELSS) use "SIP " mode
5 year bank FDs



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Posted By: pkumar
Date Posted: 12/Oct/2010 at 12:10pm
What about ULPP(Unit Linked Pension Plans) in new DTC. DOes any one have any clarity on this
What about these two Franklin Templeton Pension plan and UTI Retirement benefit plans will they be covered under EEE


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Posted By: smarar
Date Posted: 12/Oct/2010 at 10:38pm
Originally posted by pkumar

What about ULPP(Unit Linked Pension Plans) in new DTC. DOes any one have any clarity on this
What about these two Franklin Templeton Pension plan and UTI Retirement benefit plans will they be covered under EEE


 Unit Linked Pension Plans,Franklin Templeton Pension plan and UTI Retirement benefit plans will come under Exempt-Exempt-Tax under DTC


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Posted By: khokhadream
Date Posted: 12/Oct/2010 at 6:49am
Can someone throw light on hdfc crest in which there is one option for assured returns.
Would this be better option than going for plain fixed deposit.


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Date Posted: 13/Jan/2011 at 3:27pm
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