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Tata Tea : Towards becoming a beverage behemoth

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Topic: Tata Tea : Towards becoming a beverage behemoth
Posted By: ndzapak
Subject: Tata Tea : Towards becoming a beverage behemoth
Date Posted: 30/Jun/2007 at 10:23pm

Tata Tea is in the midst of transforming itself to become a global beverage player.

 

After having sold its plantation business , the company is focusing itself to become a large player in the beverage space globally. It has been acquiring companies globally like its peers in the Tata group. After buying Tetley, Good Earth, Eight O’ Clock Coffee, Himalayan Water and selling 30% stake in Glaceau for handsome profit, Tata is likely to bid for US drinks arm of UK-based Cadbury Schweppes. Recently there were reports that Tata Tea is interested in joining a bid for Cadbury Schweppes' US beverage business to secure the Snapple range of fruit drinks and iced teas.

Rs 4,045 crore tea and coffee maker had picked up a 45.7 per cent stake in Mount Everest Mineral Water, which owns the Himalayan natural mineral water brand. The value of the company, according to Percy Siganporia, managing direcor, Tata Tea, lies in an aquifer in the Himalayas, which is one of the largest, purest and perennial sources of spring water.

“The aquifer is on a 99 year old lease from the government and barely one per cent of its potential which could be about a billion litres, has yet been tapped,” says Siganporia

 

In India, the space is fragmented with nearly 200 brands, most of them regional. But experts say that with investments coming in, there is bound to be some consolidation. In a price sensitive market, even those that have priced their products lower than Himalayan, are not finding the going easy. Nestle has reportedly withdrawn its product, taking a Rs 50 crore hit. Himalayan is priced at a premium—a one litre bottle retails for Rs 25 compared with Rs 14 for other brands. Foreign brands such as Evian and Perrier are, of course, priced far higher at between Rs 80 and Rs 110 a litre.

However the company believes that customers will upgrade. “Aspirations are growing and we believe that customers will be willing to pay a premium for spring water,”he says. it’s not just the home market that Tata Tea’s setting its sights on; Siganporia believes there’s tremendous potential overseas. That’s true. Sales of bottled water in the
US market alone were about $1 billion in 2006 and the market is growing. Mount Everest,may be a small brand,but for Tata Tea it’s a good start The company is expected to position the Himalayan as the leader is the natural mineral water category to compete with Perrier and Evian, famous brands that source water from the Alps Mountains



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Posted By: capstar410
Date Posted: 13/Jul/2007 at 8:45pm

Beverage stocks have proven themselves as pivotal assets in portfolio investments as well as individual stock investments...the questions is, which one should you choose...Here's a report i found that might help.

 

http://www.pennysleuth.com/rpt/beveragestock.html

 

-Cheers!


Posted By: kg
Date Posted: 26/Jul/2007 at 10:59pm
shd i hold or sell

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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 26/Jul/2007 at 1:09am

Krishnajee,

You have started asking questions just like Awwaz and TV 18 viewers. Jokes apart Tata Tea is a good company geting its act together , I am not sure about its relationship with Tata Coffee, but if Tata Coffee is subsidiary of this, then definately it shd do well, my commodity friends tell me good future for Coffee.



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/Jul/2007 at 10:58am
Tata Coffee is a subsidiary and Tata Tea consolidates results for coffee but finally it is a commodity and while Jim has been right on everything else his coffee call is yet to work out. But he is very bullish on coffee as I read somewhere.

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Posted By: kg
Date Posted: 28/Jul/2007 at 11:18pm
@Indian Bull - thanks for reminding me that i shd acting stupid and do my own research also and not seek crutches - thanks a lot .

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Posted By: tyro
Date Posted: 07/Aug/2007 at 7:53pm

Could someone please advice me on how to create new topics under this forum, I am posting some of my ideas on this thread which might not be relevant to the topic, sorry for the inconvenience.

 

Dear All,

 

I am new to this forum and am very excited to share and discuss investment ideas.

 

I have certain thoughts with regards Tea Plantation sector which I would like to share with you and would request you guys to voice your opinions and analyze the below mentioned idea.

 

Tea Plantations

Tea is one of the few agriculture commodities, which has not moved since the Bull Run in commodities started some 6 years back, it’s high time that the cycle turns in favor of producers the same fundamentals (inflations cost escalation of all input variables have gone up across the spectrum)

Tea Sector (sp. Indian plantations) has been in doldrums since last 7-8 years, even though some leaders in the sector have been making reasonable amount of money, sector at large has been an underperformer. 

 

Some companies which a think are screaming buys:  Mcleod Russel, Jayshree Tea and Dhunseri Tea.

 

Being a cyclical sector, I believe we could soon be witnessing an up move in the tea price.

 

Here I present SWOT analysis for the sector.

 

Strengths:

 

  1. Tea can be considered as a health drink (known of its antioxidant properties) as opposed to more favored coffee, which also has a lot of negative effects on health.

 

  1. Demand for tea has been growing at some 2% per annum and should accelerate further as the demographics of the tea consuming nations is favorable (all former British colonies – most of developing Asia, Africa and Middle East)

 

 

  1. Demand and Supply mismatch, which we would observe in coming years because of underinvestment in the production activities worldwide. Furthermore, it takes 5 years to reap the first tea crop from the time of plantation and no capacity has been added in last 4-5 years.

 

  1. Huge land holdings of tea estates could be used for farming of alternative crops alternative (with massive investments proposed for farm and farm related supply chain, in next few years we could see companies like Reliance retail acquiring tea estates for growing fruits and vegetables)

 

 

  1. Tea is one of the few agriculture commodities, which has not moved since the Bull Run in commodities started some 6 years back, it’s high time that the cycle turns in favor of producers the same fundamentals (inflations cost escalation of all input variables have gone up across the spectrum)

 

  1. Highly fragmented industry and consolidation could help price rationalization.

 

 

 

Weakness:

 

  1. The Indian labor laws are draconian and do more harm to industry and labor than help.

 

  1. labor intensive industry and therefore comes with all problems and constrains which are attached to such industries (labor unions, politics and low productivity)

 

 

  1. Scalability is limited; it’s a US $ 5 billion market globally and is growing at a very slow pace.

 

  1. Supply from more efficient players like Kenya, Vietnam and Sri Lanka.

 

 

  1. Climate change may do more harm to tea growing region, hence escalating prices but also resulting hampering the capacity.

 

  1. The downward trend might continue for some more time.

 

Opportunities:

 

  1. The trend towards the health drink is quite visible; it is up to the tea industry to make the consuming population at large to make aware of the facts.

 

 

  1. Tea has a distinct advantage over more popular beverage – coffee

 

 

  1. To make tea more acceptable and fashionable like coffee

 

 

  1. To come up with new flavors/formulation of the tea

 

 

 

Threats:

 

  1. 1. To retain the young population of the tea consuming countries mostly developing countries, from being lured by multination to aerated and flavored drinks.

 

  1. Labor problems

 

 

  1. cost escalation

 

  1. Fragmented production

 

 

 



Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 07/Aug/2007 at 7:59pm
We have discussed tea stocks in some other topics...tata tea is the best bet...though tea is a commodity based business a su veru rightly said...so one needs to master the entry and exit of commoditty cycles....

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Posted By: tyro
Date Posted: 07/Aug/2007 at 8:08pm

Dear Tyler,

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

Tata Tea would be more of a FMCG play as opposed to the investment in plantations which I am propagating.

Commodities sp. in current environment deserve more respect and higher multiple, sp. when all the variables support an upward trajectory in commodity prices.

 

Regards,

Tyro



Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 09/Aug/2007 at 3:54pm

The scene is a home in small town India. A young girl brings her elder brother a cup of tea as he sits in the verandah. Taking a sip, he remarks that it tastes good.

Overhearing the comment, the wife in the kitchen pipes up. "I'm the one who made it," she says.  "But I bought it," the man retorts. "Because I told you to," says his mother standing nearby.

To which the vendor across the lane says, "But I'm the one who sold it to you."

If there are several contenders for praise in the Agni ad film, real life isn't too different. While Tata Tea's [ http://money.rediff.com/money/jsp/quote_process.jsp?query=tata%20tea%20ltd - ] marketshare has been climbing in the past year, in June 2007, it inched past archrival Hindustan Unilever for the first time, with volume shares of 19.2 per cent compared to HUL's 18.6 per cent (source: ACNielsen).

This time last year, Tata Tea's volume share was just 17.5 per cent while HUL's was a comfortable 21.5 per cent. Agni's performance - market share increased by 50 basis points in the past year - is just one ingredient in the winning brew.

The volumes game

The television commercial by Dentsu can take only part of the credit for the increase in Agni's sales.

A reduction in prices across SKUs also played a huge part in the brand upping its all-India share to 3 per cent: in October, Tata Tea dropped the price of the economy brand from Rs 128 a kg to Rs 120.

"We felt Agni was not priced correctly for the economy segment; several local brands were eating into its share. Which is why we dropped the price and that has paid off," explains Sangeeta Talwar, executive director, marketing, Tata Tea.

Agni is just part of a new, improved Tata Tea package. Over the past year, the Rs 4,044-crore (Rs 40.44 billion) tea and coffee company has worked on almost all its brands, either dropping the price or strengthening the brew and supporting them with better packaging and new communication.

The effort has paid off in terms of volume marketshare, but in value terms, Tata Tea still has some way to go: although there's been a 90 basis point increase since June last year, Tata Tea's 20.5 per cent share is still far behind HUL's 24.5 per cent.

So, is the volume share increase significant, then? Yes, say industry watchers, given the nature of the tea market in India. Tea is a widely penetrated product in India and though the market is fairly large with annual sales of 800 million kg, it is growing at barely 3-3.5 per cent a year.

And as Boston Consulting Group Partner Abheek Singhi observes, realisations in India are only about a fifth of what they are in the US and Japan. Moreover, only about 40 per cent or 320 million kg sold is accounted for by branded teas. "And that space is crowded with over 500 regional brands," points out Percy Siganporia, managing director, Tata Tea.

Packing in value

The value packs were launched last year to take on these smaller brands. Tata Tea sold its products at price points of Rs 10-11 for 50 gm and Rs 5 for 25-35 gm (the grammage depending on the quality of the tea). Typically, a 25 gm packet would be enough for a dozen cups of tea.

While some of the price points had been explored earlier, this time round Tata Tea's objective was to create a better price-value equation by increasing the grammage. In fact, for some products, the price point was dropped to even Rs 2. Siganporia says the more affordable pricing has brought Tata Tea's brands within the reach of a new set of consumers, making it possible for them to move up from a regional to a national brand, thus fulfilling their aspirations.

That's been reflected in the market share gains. For instance, Tata Tea Premium has seen a gain of 130 basis points to 9.4 per cent at the all-India level, with significant increases in states like Maharashtra.

Moreover, brands like Gemini in Andhra Pradesh - an atypical market where no brand is the leader across the state but only in pockets - have taken away share from the loose tea segment. And Talwar points out that in Tamil Nadu, the Chakra brand has increased its share from 16.4 per cent to 19.6 per cent.

However, Tata Tea is clear that value packs will not be the main growth driver for the firm, especially since margins on these tend to be lower. "Our largest selling SKUs will continue to be the 250-gm packs," says Talwar, adding that what they will do is bring in new customers who, over time, will upgrade to larger packs, becoming brand loyalists in the process.

On more shopshelves

In fact, the smaller packs have helped Tata Tea create a new customer base by penetrating the remotest rural areas, including towns with a population of less than 2,000. Over the past year, the company has explored the hinterland, especially in states like Uttar Pradesh where, in addition to selling in shops, it also sent out several vans that acted as mobile sales counters.

Talwar says the rural thrust will continue this year too. In the urban market, Tata Tea teamed up with four to five big organised retailers, including Food Bazaar, Subhiksha and Reliance [ http://money.rediff.com/money/jsp/quote_process.jsp?query=reliance - ] Fresh among others in Mumbai, Bangalore, Chennai and Hyderabad, in a bid to improve reach and visibility.

Explains Talwar, "It was a special initiative where we negotiated shelf space and our people worked closely with the retailers to see that our products were well displayed." Among the many initiatives were gondola hiring.

The initiative seems to have paid off - same store sales are up 30 per cent compared to last year. What's more, with these retailers expanding at a fast pace, Tata Tea's products are now available in about 100 big format stores across the country so that its presence has effectively doubled over the past 12 months. And while it's not easy to get great deals from modern trade with good negotiating skills called for, Talwar believes it is well worth the effort because the volumes are coming through.

Wooing the wholesalers...

At the same,Tata Tea is also taking care to see that it keeps its wholesalers and smaller retailers happy. Dealer margins remain unchanged across geographies, but the company has tried to incentivise them with new trade initiatives.

For instance, there's the "Ek Rishta" loyalty programme launched last year for wholesalers, by which they accumulate points according to the quantity of tea they buy from Tata Tea. In return for the points, they are entitled to participate in a lucky draw and win high value gifts such as white goods or gold chains.

Explains Talwar, "Wholesalers are very important for us because they have the reach, especially in the villages. However, they tend to keep switching brands and so we decided that we needed to strengthen our relationship with them."

...and the kiranas, too

Meanwhile, Tata Tea's marketing team has been wooing small retailers and owners of hot tea shops. The company organises film screenings and other community events, making sure the families are invited and, needless to say, serving tea.

"We're hoping the bonding will work," says Siganporia. Sometimes, the relationship-building takes a more practical note - very often, Tata Tea offers its kirana customers better-than-average discounts.

"Kiranas fear being let down by the suppliers, as the bargaining power of organised retail grows. So we are being pragmatic and, at times, absorbing the hit in margins," explains Siganporia.

He adds that as a result, some kiranas today are able to offer customers higher discounts than they were able to do some time back. "The gap between prices offered by big players and the kiranas is narrowing somewhat," Siganporia observes.

Brewing healthy teas

As for buyers, Tata Tea is trying to win them over by coming up with new teas. In late 2006, it hopped onto the wellness platform with Tetley Green tea bags. This was followed up with Tata Tea Life, in March 2007, again for the health conscious.

Says Talwar, "Consumers today are extremely conscious of being fit and improving their health and we are looking to cater for this segment."

Even before that, in November last year, long leaf orthodox teas - Darjeeling, Assam, Nilgiri and Ceylon - priced at around Rs 350 per kg, were launched.

The product was positioned in the premium segment and the idea was to cash in on the growing trend of consumers indulging themselves. The new launches helped Tata Tea's domestic branded business grow 18 per cent in the June 2007 quarter, compared to the same period last year.

The right connect

What also helped were Tata Tea's new advertising campaigns - an essential move, according to BCG's Singhi. "It is critical to stay in touch with buyers, both for protecting market share and also for taking away share from the unorganised segment," he points out, adding that communication could also be used to draw youngsters who are moving away from teas.

Tata Tea has four agencies for its different brands and all worked on campaigns through the past year. While McCann roped in film star Sneha to endorse Gemini in Andhra Pradesh, Saatchi chose a "facing challenges" theme to connect buyers with Kanan Devan - the brand saw a market share gain of 220 basis points in its home market Kerala.



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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 10/Aug/2007 at 9:46pm
Tata Tea Ltd is firming up plans to form a joint venture for a manufacturing plant in Russia and is also looking at new markets of South America and the Far East.

Tata Tea had also recently acquired 70 per cent stake in a Chinese company. Earlier, replying to shareholders' queries, Tata Tea chairman Ratan Tata said the company was also looking at the food processing business. He said the surplus fund generated would be used to finance acquisitions.

 
 
Source: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/businessline/blnus/02101604.htm - HBL news
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Aug/2007 at 9:54pm
I am told that Ratan tata praised Budhadev Bhattacharya at the AGM today? Shows which company interests him more Tata Motors or tata tea!
 
If anyone from the Left front is reading this he would be happy to see a capitalist praise a communist in a totally unrelated event (Tata Tea AGM)!


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Posted By: ndzapak
Date Posted: 10/Aug/2007 at 12:19pm
http://www.ndtvprofit.com/homepage/storybusinessnew.asp?id=39986&template=&cache=8/10/2007%2011:20:21%20PM# -   javascript:PopEmail%28http://www.ndtvprofit.com/homepage/storybusinessnew.asp?id=39986&template=&callid=5,Tata%20Tea%20aggressive%20on%20beverage%20biz%29 - Tata Tea aggressive on beverage biz
 
Glaceau was guzzled and then Himalaya. But Krishna Kumar is thirsting for more and US seems to be the market that Tata Tea is aggressively eyeing.

Tata Tea is sitting on a billion dollars post Glaceau sale and so sources say that Tatas are eying more than five opportunities there.

Arizona may remain a personal favourite of Kumar but it seems Cadbury's Snapple is still very much in Tata Tea's radar.

"There are so many reports, it won't be fair on me to comment on just Arizona," said Krishna Kumar, Vice Chairman, Tata Tea.

Tatas say that people involved in the deals are ideally looking at a company that'll offer a portfolio of brands across categories like juices, bottled water and tea.

Sources say that's why Arizona with its more than 60 brands across 21 categories is so attractive. But the question is the management really selling out?

Potential targets

Horizon Beverages is another potential target but being predominantly a distributor of wines, spirits and beer it may not be pursued till the end.

Australian coffee brand Gloria Jeans, Icy Splash Food & Beverage, Sun States Beverages are some other targets.

However, the story about Snapple isn't over yet. Sources say that even though Cadbury's have postponed the sale of its US beverage business for now to avoid the global credit meltdown, it was after all a mega $15 billion plus deal.

But in six months the deal is likely to be revived. The business is bleeding in the US and soon Cadbury may start selling individual brands. Then Tatas will then bid aggressively for Snapple since a $2.5 billion deal will be more manageable.

Water clearly is the new growth area for Tata Tea and Himalaya, the flagship even though Tatas are open to more buyouts in the space, they expect premium variants under Himalaya brand.

"We are interested in other good bottle water stories. But only 10 per cent of Himalayas potential is being used. There is a lot of scope both in high end in premium category," said Kumar.

Tatas are refocusing from just a trade tea company into a wider beverage company and as its banking heavily on technology, it will even bring a new twist to traditional products like water, tea and coffee.
 
Source : ndtvprofit.com


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Posted By: Bobby
Date Posted: 20/Aug/2007 at 4:29pm
in this space Mcleod Russel aslo seems to be good bet at Rs. 56/- which is at around 3 year low & can give good return in medium term.
I m not sure why this has fallen to such levels.
is anybody tracking this??


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Aug/2007 at 5:21pm
The management is the WORST that one can ever expect. I would never look at a stock with that kind of a management.

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Posted By: kaushalchawla
Date Posted: 20/Aug/2007 at 8:13pm
Lets assume that Tata Tea is able to help Himalaya reach its full potential, who in that case will be better to buy: Tata Tea or Himalaya??
 
i believe the water story is to unfold in coming times, esp since himalaya has spring water compared to normal water sold by everybody.


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Aug/2007 at 10:18pm
Does anyone care about that when he buys a bottle of water. All I want is "Bisleri". Himalays is almost twice as costly from what I know.

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Posted By: kaushalchawla
Date Posted: 20/Aug/2007 at 12:03pm
Thank you Basantji.
 
My question still remains unanswered:
 
"Lets assume that Tata Tea is able to help Himalaya reach its full potential, who in that case will be better to buy: Tata Tea or Himalaya??"


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Aug/2007 at 12:23pm
Tata Tea has a huge scale of opportunity. Himalays stock price is artificially boasted because of the open offer. Wiat for the open offer to finish and the price to subsidise then buy it.
 
Personally I prefer companies with large scale of opportunity.So at the present rates Tata Tea seems better but if Mt. everest falls then we could look at it because Mt. Everest unlike Tata Tea is not  cyclical.


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Posted By: kaushalchawla
Date Posted: 20/Aug/2007 at 4:56am

Any attractive entry point for Mt. Everest you would like to suggest Basantji.. Big%20smile

I think with Deep pockets of tata tea, it will be easier riding this horse, rather than Mt. Everest.....what say Basantji?


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Aug/2007 at 8:43am
Mt. Everest is not a big bang story that will happen quickly. tata tea will first like to rework the company and improve efficiencies and that could take 12-24 months also we need to understand that the annual per person spend on water is quite less compared to something else like mobile etc. So we should wait for turnaround or the efficiencies to kick in before this stock could be bought.

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Posted By: Mohan
Date Posted: 20/Aug/2007 at 8:48am
 Is it Mount Everest or Himalaya the Tata Tea has an open offer and at what price ?




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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Aug/2007 at 9:00am
Himalaya is the water brand that Mt. Everest owes.

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Posted By: Mohan
Date Posted: 20/Aug/2007 at 9:17am
Basantji,
Thanks for the clarification. I looked into the company and Saw the name of Vinod Sethi as one of the promoters. Is it the same person of Morgan Stanley fame ?



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Aug/2007 at 9:58am
Yes, it is the same person but his entry price is about 80% lower then CMP.

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Posted By: sajanvm
Date Posted: 23/Aug/2008 at 12:56pm
Basant
Just wanted to point out that Tata Tea is in the final stages of divesting their plantation business. Thus, their business will no longer be cyclical.

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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 23/Aug/2008 at 3:36pm
Tata Tea is now a funds company as well as a beverage company......at the consolidated level, they are almost deb-free at the net debt-level. Also, some of its associates are doing very well like rallis India and Tata Coffee.

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Posted By: kstreet
Date Posted: 24/Aug/2008 at 4:16pm
If we remove around Rs.1500 cr as gain from Glaceau sale the consolidated net profit becomes Zero.
 


Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 24/Aug/2008 at 8:59pm
Originally posted by kstreet

If we remove around Rs.1500 cr as gain from Glaceau sale the consolidated net profit becomes Zero.
 
 
Interesting........!!!!
 
However, Page 87 of the Annual report of the company for the Year ended shows a PAT of 1905.88 crores. On that the company has provided for Minority Interest to the tune of 392.20 crores and accounted for Share of Minority Interest as 28.87 crores.
 
So, the consolidated profit is 1905.88+28.87-392.20, which is why we are seeing a consolidated PAT of 1542.55 crores.
 
Also, in the P/L, you see two items of expenditure , namely Interest amounting to 60.86 crores and Interest on loans for acquisition amounting to 160.50 crores, both of which will see a dramatic change this year. Thats why I believe, Tata Tea shall be treated as funds company along with just a consumer branded beverage company.


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Posted By: kstreet
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2008 at 8:15pm

Coca Cola the largest beverage company is traded at 4 times sales in 2008.

 
Do we value branded companies like Tata Tea also the same way?
 
If yes. Then Tata Tea could be valued at 16,000 cr.
 
A good value buy.
 
Nestle is also value at 4 times sales.
 
Do clarify on this...
 
Tata Tea has a mission to grow 5 times in 5 years


Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2008 at 10:21pm
Coca Cola has unparalled moat in its brand.

Nestle is product basket + associated brands.

Tata tea does not deserve 4 times sales.


Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2008 at 10:49pm
Originally posted by nav_2000

Coca Cola has unparalled moat in its brand.

Nestle is product basket + associated brands.

Tata tea does not deserve 4 times sales.
 
Tata Tea has a global array of brands......plus also not, that this company is the holding company of Tata Coffee and as a result, 8 o'clock coffee. now, its also gradually piling up Mount everest Mineral water. This company also has a sizeable stake in rallis india.
 
Tata Tea is a very stable play. thats why, whenever a mayhem occurs, this stock remains insulated relatively. Its a buy on declines, sort of a stock.
 
Also, to consider is what Lever plans to do with its tea businesses. Somehow I get an inkling, that Unilever may walk out in case they get a right price. I sense it because they seem to be quite less aggressive with their ads in the electronic media. Otherwise there is little dubt about Unilever's brand strength in the form of Brooke bond, Lipton, Taj etc......
 
 


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Posted By: bassein
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2008 at 8:15am
Originally posted by Vivek Sukhani

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Tata Tea is a very stable play. thats why, whenever a mayhem occurs, this stock remains insulated relatively. Its a buy on declines, sort of a stock.
 
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Vivekji: Tata Tea raised its dividend per share from Rs. 15 last year to Rs. 35 this year.  That makes it attractive at CMP (Rs. 711) based on fundamentals as well as dividend yield only if the dividend is sustainable. Is that a fair statement?


Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2008 at 9:20am
35 rupees has a special component of 20 rupees for glaceau sale profit.
 
However, going forward, Tata Tea's dividend has to be observed carefully. Thats because although the consolidated profit would be quite better as the interest savings and interest gain can lead to a gain of about 20-30 rupees a share, the standalone book will not be very good. thats because, the cash is stacked with TTGB Limited and not with tata tea, so most of interest income will accrue to TTGB and not to Tata Tea standalone book. As dividend has to be paid out of standalone book, so we need to be bothered about dividend......
 
If ECB norms get relaxed, the funds may be bought home and lent at quite higher levels. That financial engineering is possible.
 
Tata Tea on the consolidated level is in an absolute wonderful state.
 
Also, look out for how TCL do engineering with EOC. That can also be a spinner for Tata Tea as the result of any engineering gets reflected in tata tea's consolidated book.
 
Infact, if I have to lay down my premise for recommending Tata tea, it will go like this:
 
1.Funds position
2.Wonderful subsidiaries and step down subsidiaries.
3.Tremendous scope for unlocking value.
 
If this stock falls to 600-odd levels, this stock can be accumulated. You may set level 2 at 20 p.c. discount to 600, and level 3 at 30 p.c discount to 600.
 
 


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Posted By: bassein
Date Posted: 20/Sep/2008 at 11:55am
Vivekji:

Thank you for your educative response. Your efforts at guiding "newbies" is warmly appreciated.


Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 21/Sep/2008 at 4:40pm
Originally posted by bassein

Vivekji:

Thank you for your educative response. Your efforts at guiding "newbies" is warmly appreciated.
 
How can a 'newbie' guide other 'newbies'?????
 
I just put down my observation regarding Tata Tea, thats all.
 
investors interested in tata tea, shall simply look beyond its tea operations and just think about the value that this company may unlock, through corporate action, through financial engineering, through business re-organistion, through new geography penetration, through exploration of alternate 'health-and wellnessness focussed beverages'.
 


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Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 30/Sep/2008 at 11:12pm
Vivek

Is Tata Tea's Current dividend of Rs.35  a special one or is going to be the norm .I have just started looking at this company .


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Posted By: bassein
Date Posted: 30/Sep/2008 at 11:21pm
Originally posted by valueman

Vivek

Is Tata Tea's Current dividend of Rs.35  a special one or is going to be the norm .I have just started looking at this company .


Sir, In a post (three or four earlier, 21/08/2008) in this same thread Vivekji explained that Rs. 20 of the Rs. 35 was "special" and not to be expected in future.


Posted By: valueman
Date Posted: 30/Sep/2008 at 11:34pm
Bassein

Thanks for the clarification .


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Posted By: valuepicks
Date Posted: 12/Jun/2009 at 7:40pm
Tata Tea looks to integrate its global and domestic operations
 
Its global brands such as Tetley Tea, Tata Tea, Himalayan water and the Good Earth speciality teas and coffees will be supported by its regional and speciality brands such as Eight O’Clock Coffee in the US, Vitax herbal tea in Poland, Jemca tea in the Czech Republic, and Indian brands such as Chakra Gold and Kanan Devan, said Peter Unsworth, chief executive officer of the UK-based Tetley Group, now a subsidiary of Tata Tea Ltd.
 
 
http://www.livemint.com/2009/06/11221435/Tata-Tea-looks-to-integrate-it.html - http://www.livemint.com/2009/06/11221435/Tata-Tea-looks-to-integrate-it.html
 
 


Posted By: bijoy_ajj
Date Posted: 14/May/2010 at 11:49pm
I just feel Mount Everest Mineral Water is about to unlock its potential.


Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 14/May/2010 at 4:13am
Originally posted by bijoy_ajj

I just feel Mount Everest Mineral Water is about to unlock its potential.
Humm --- long time this is locked inside the bottle- wish it to held its steady performance since Dec 2009.

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Posted By: master
Date Posted: 27/May/2010 at 9:08am
Synopsis of consolidated results for FY10 and company's future outlook:
 
1. Increase of 19% in cons. operating income at Rs 5,821 cr for FY10.
2. Cons. PAT dipped 44.32% to Rs 390 crore mainly due to high foreign currency gains in last year.
3. Launching new products in tea, coffee and new beverage categories.
4. Looking at acquisitions in distribution and brands.
5. Targeting more than 50% from non-tea products in five years.
6. Increasing competition in the UK market.
7. Analyst estimates for FY12E as Sales Rs 7161 cr, EPS Rs 80 (pre-split), ROCE 15%.
 


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Posted By: karn
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2010 at 1:22pm
http://www.tatatea.com/TATA%20TEA%20&%20PEPSICO%20sign%20an%20MOU%20to%20form%20a%20JV%20for%20Healthy%20Beverages.pdf - Tata Tea and PepsiCo signs MoU for JV in Health Welness Drinks

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Posted By: njagesha
Date Posted: 25/Aug/2010 at 12:41pm
Is Tata Tea attractively valued? The new TGB website which is under construction is expected to reveal the company's true worth. TGB is just not Tata Tea and there are other brands which are as powerful in their respective teritories. The company recently is making bold statements.  It has to be seen how much success they achieve. Has any member done some research on this company. A view on current valuations by any senior member would be highly appreciated.
Navin 


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Posted By: Kautilya
Date Posted: 03/Feb/2011 at 5:21pm
Request Administrator to rename the company name in the title of the thread to "Tata Global Beverages".


Posted By: Kautilya
Date Posted: 03/Feb/2011 at 11:11pm
TGB is not just about the Indian consumption story, rather it has positioned itself as a global food (not quite yet but should get there) and beverage company. As of now, majority of the business comes from outside India through its subsidiaries. It has been accquiring brands across the world and has presence in US, UK, Russia, Czech Republic, Poland, etc., As of today it is trading at close to 1 times sales (at 6000 Crs) and the management is targeting revenues in excess of 20000 Cr in 5yrs.

Going ahead one could imagine them to come out with many new products (such as http://activatedrinks.com/ - Activated and this http://www.thecleverjellycompany.com - Jelly Drink ) which together with acquisition could help them achieve their target. Some of these could fail and some might take off in a big way. The recent results and the ongoing correction could be a good opportunity to buy into this stock.

Recent Events
1. Tata Global Beverages signs http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/stocks/stocks-in-news/kerala-ayurveda-up-on-mou-with-tata-global/articleshow/7395017.cms - MoU with Kerala Ayurveda, exploring formation of a joint venture for focussing on development of beverage and food products based on ayurvedic recipes, actives and formulations for the global market.
2. Tata Coffee's MoU with Starbucks
3. Increased stake in Activate
4. JV with PepsiCo focussed on health and wellness beverages


Posted By: Ravenrage
Date Posted: 03/Feb/2011 at 11:15pm
Agree totally .


Posted By: vaib
Date Posted: 03/Feb/2011 at 7:50am
Tion (they made with pepsi) has failed big time, I think. I saw hoarding all over city but couldn't find the drink on a single store. Already CCD has occupied all prime locations and Barista almost looks like a fail, I wonder about starbucks. This kerla ayurved deal would also turn out like pepsi deal ??

Can anyone comment on real progress made rather all paper work ?


Posted By: Kautilya
Date Posted: 03/Feb/2011 at 8:15am
There will be failures as they continue to launch new products. Success or Failure of T!on might not impact the company in any meaningful manner. The bet here is on the growth story, along with acquisitions and integrations. As I said they have been a Global player and their revenues from outside India is more than what they make in India, although I feel there is enough potential in the local market.

If you read this thread from the beginning, Vivek Sukhani had called this a fund company that is also a conglomerate, not exactly his words but something to that effect.


Posted By: Kautilya
Date Posted: 06/May/2011 at 6:44pm
TGB's new and revamped http://www.tataglobalbeverages.com/Pages/index.aspx - website

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Posted By: Kautilya
Date Posted: 26/May/2011 at 11:08am
Results were bad. CEO has resigned. This will continue to be a "hope" stock for somemore time.

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Posted By: shontou
Date Posted: 12/Aug/2011 at 3:39pm
Analyst Meet      
          Tata Global Beverages
Expect much better performance for the rest of the year


The company held its Analyst Meet on 10th Aug'11 and was addressed by Mr. P.T.Siganporia MD and Mr. L Krishna Kumar, CFO

Key highlights
The company reported consolidated net sales growth of 6% to Rs 1467 crore. On even currency basis, the growth stood at 4% as there was a currency Sterling gain of 2% during the quarter.
Commodity costs continue to hurt the company as tea prices were high in most of the markets and coffee prices although have reduced from earlier high, were still higher on y.o.y basis. Competition continued to remain intense in the international market. All of these resulted in lower OP margin of 8%.
There was no price increases made during the quarter for Tea, except in last week of June'11, whose effect will be felt in subsequent quarters.
On tea crop, as far as domestic market is concerned, the crop is expected to be higher by 20 M during the year vis a vis last year. So domestically, the prices of tea crop will remain muted, however, the forex market, international movements will make some impact on domestic tea crop prices. On international tea crop prices, the Mombassa prices still are expected to remain where they are as it is not about the demand, but the hedge funds position, which is difficult to predict.
So overall, the margins in tea business are expected to come back.
On coffee commodity price, the benefit to the company has started only from July'11 onwards and infact the sales for Eight O Clock coffee during the month of July was higher than the company's budget target. So after having reached a tepid point on fall in margins for coffee, the outlook seems to be positive.
On geographical market, company continued to do well in Canada, Australia, Poland and Russia. However the US market continued to remain under pressure and distress. As company is not a leader in this market, it has to adopt more penetrating policies hurting the margins and sometimes volume as well. UK market was also affected during the quarter due to intense competition in the market. On the other hand South Asian market continued to show strong volume growth and price increases were taken in this market.
An integration process of international markets under new leadership was commissioned during the quarter. Overall, the international operations will have better results by the end of the year as per the management.
On region wise sales break up, USA, Canada and Australia (CAA markets) constituted Rs 380 crore of sales, down by about 5% y.o.y basis, as the disappointment came from US sales numbers, the EMEA region which is the Europe, Middle East, UK and Africa market constituted about Rs 439 crore of sales which was up by about 5% y.o.y basis, South Asian markets including India, the sales stood at Rs 479 crore, up by about 12% y.o.y basis.
Tetley continues to be leader in Canada for tea market. New blends and products were launched both in Canada and Australian market.
During the quarter, T!on product was discontinued as it was successful only in one State Kerala and not shown good performance in 3 other states.
High costs debt was restructured during the year and thus TGB was able to save on interest expense.
Overall, the performance for the rest of the year is expected to be much better.

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Posted By: Kautilya
Date Posted: 30/Aug/2011 at 9:29pm
Today's AGM http://www.tataglobalbeverages.com/Lists/Document%20Manager/Attachments/105/AGM-2010-11-presentation.pdf - Presentation

And some http://www.exchange4media.com/e4m/news/fullstory.asp?Section_id=3&News_id=43249&Tag=35743 - update on new their mass product that is in pilot now.
Quote from the article...
Drawing inspiration from the BOP theory of management guru, Late CK Prahalad, the JV seeks to enter the segment that, according to Prahalad, has a huge untapped potential.
The JV seeks to leverage consumers’ trust in a Tata brand and its expertise in low-cost consumer products and combine it with PepsiCo’s distribution strength and marketing expertise.

According to industry estimates, over 20 per cent of Indians are yet untouched by any packaged drink. The brand targets SEC B, C and D. “We look at the people for whom it is difficult to afford highly priced packaged beverage,” said Namboodari. The TG, according to him, includes labourers, rickshaw pullers, auto-drivers, door-to-door sales persons, housemaids, and people who belong to the lower income strata.


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Posted By: shontou
Date Posted: 28/Oct/2011 at 11:45pm
Tata Global Beverages net profit rises 66.15% in the September 2011 quarter

Sales rise 13.10% to Rs 498.16 crore

Net profit of Tata Global Beverages rose 66.15% to Rs 50.46 crore in the quarter ended September 2011 as against Rs 30.37 crore during the previous quarter ended September 2010. Sales rose 13.10% to Rs 498.16 crore in the quarter ended September 2011 as against Rs 440.47 crore during the previous quarter ended September 2010.

In the consolidated results, the company reported net profit after minority interest of Rs 76.95 crore in the quarter ended September 2011 as against Rs 51.61 crore during the previous quarter ended September 2010. Sales reported to Rs 1612.03 crore in the quarter ended September 2011 as against Rs 1448.10 crore during the previous quarter ended September 2010.
Particulars     Quarter Ended
     Sep. 2011     Sep. 2010     % Var.
Sales     498.16     440.47     13
OPM %     10.22     8.56     19
PBDT     76.68     66.90     15
PBT     73.74     63.79     16
NP     50.46     30.37     66

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Posted By: pramodjain
Date Posted: 29/Oct/2011 at 7:02pm
Impressive Numbers

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Posted By: shontou
Date Posted: 04/Feb/2012 at 11:47am
               Analyst Meet      
          Tata Global Beverages
Eight O Clock coffee performance in US affected the results of the quarter


The company held its Analyst Meet on 25th Jan'12 and was addressed by Mr. Percy Siganporia MD

Key highlights

Consolidated net sales grew by about 12% to Rs 1802 crore. The 12% net sales growth comprises of about 3-3.5% of volume growth, 5% forex translation gains and remaining as price growth.

Poor Eight O Clock performance affected the operating margins and thus the PAT. The PBT before EO which comes to around Rs 157 crore, could have been to around Rs 200 crore, had the Eight O Clock performance was not bad.

Management indicated that while Coffee prices declined on q.o.q basis, they still remain firm on y.o.y basis. TGB continued its aggressive marketing and advertisement campaign to reap the benefits of fall in raw material prices in subsequent quarters. Hence it was a planned strategy which the management is confident will come back strongly in Q4 FY'12.

Globally, Tea prices continued to remain firm but Indian tea prices showed southward direction, which was well inline with the management expectations.

Going forward, management expects global tea prices to remain more or less firm with slight negative bias and Indian tea prices to continue to remain weak.

The interest cost continued to decline as the company is able to gain due to the restructuring of debt undertaken by it during last year.

On domestic front, all the brands of TGB in India grew and company performed very strongly on volume and profitability front. Management expects the momentum to continue.

At international front, US coffee performance was impacted by higher marketing and advertisement costs as company spent to secure future volume growth.

Tetley grew well in volume terms in UK but once again higher promotion spends impacted profitability. However, management has indicated that it has reached a level, where the delta would significantly improve from here on due to the volume growth that it is able to garner on every penny spent.

South Asian market grew 11% in sales which includes the Indian business and which was primarily responsible for double digit topline growth.

Canada continued to perform better and TGB now has market share of more than 51% in black tea. The new products launched in earlier months are also gaining momentum.

In Russia, also, the coffee business performed well, with lot of restructuring activities behind them.

In South Africa, also the performance improved over previous period. In Poland, Tetley has market share of about 3.4% in volume terms.

Tax rate was on lower side, as US where the tax rates are higher has less contribution in the overall consolidated profits.

On region wise sales break up, USA, Canada and Australia (CAA markets) constituted Rs 512 crore of sales, up by about 8% y.o.y basis, the EMEA region which is the Europe, Middle East, UK and Africa market constituted about Rs 644 crore of sales which was up by about 15% y.o.y basis, South Asian markets, the sales stood at Rs 496 crore, up by about 10% y.o.y basis.

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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 03/Apr/2012 at 3:14pm
Tata Global Beverages is adding more dimensions to itself almost every couple of quarters...first its health beverage JV with pepsi, then its JV with Starbucks , now rumours of tata global and tata coffee merger (tata coffee is already a subsidary of tata global).
 
And the above are only new developments... needless to say, its in packaged water and most of all, a top tea brand, with tetley being a top international brand.
 
 
This is definitely becoming a stock to watch closely.
 
Disclaimer: I have added some to my portfolio...intend to add more in due course.


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Posted By: bobdylan
Date Posted: 03/Apr/2012 at 8:23pm
samir,
 
   I have been holding this since 2007 and the retuens till now have not been great (dividends were good)and it is a significant part of my portfolio,they promised much through these times but delivered little in terms of results.Their RONW figures also seem to be less.One gets a feeling of a management which is laid back and in a different era.Have there been any changes that gives you the confidence in the management on whether they would be able to convert the starbucks partnership/pepsi deal into results.I feel cafe coffeday has a first mover advantage and they seem to be doing ok.Iam patiently waiting for this to get rated as an FMCG rather than a tea company.


Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 03/Apr/2012 at 9:26pm

most people holding stocks bought in 2007 are not doing well...atleast you are not negative. Do not despair...tatas have their own way of doing things but eventually and with time, most of them seem to work.

 
Tetley is a massive brand and tea is the most popular drink in the world and considered healthy.  Cant think of anything more commonly desired than tea and coffee and this company is getting more and more in control.
 
There are no promises or targets that will definitely be met in the stock markets.. but i am surer than ever before that this stock is going places in the coming future.
 
I am also quite bullish on the stock due to starbucks.. its going to give cafe coffee day a run for its money as starbucks is entirely a culture apart (i feel)
 
Its a good sustainable business , promoters are one of the best in india, decent sustainable and consistent dividend, decent investment portfolio and of coarse, the fmcg safety net...well worth betting on at these prices as tata global has seen 120 many times even without the starbucks, pepsi jv etc etc good news.
 
Well worth core portfolio stock status.


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Posted By: manishwithted
Date Posted: 05/Apr/2012 at 1:15pm
As far as I remember,
starbucks has an jv agreement with tata coffee and not tata tea.


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Posted By: coolcarney
Date Posted: 05/Apr/2012 at 8:18pm
ie. for sourcing the beans. JV with Tata Global for cafes.
Originally posted by manishwithted

As far as I remember,
starbucks has an jv agreement with tata coffee and not tata tea.


Posted By: baba
Date Posted: 27/May/2012 at 2:23pm
Do we have a seperate thread for tata global beverages ?
if yes , please guide .


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Posted By: wiseowl
Date Posted: 27/May/2012 at 11:44am
Tata Tea has been renamed as Tata Global Beverages.

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Posted By: baba
Date Posted: 28/May/2012 at 1:56pm
wiseowl ,

thanks . .

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Posted By: ameydesai
Date Posted: 18/Oct/2012 at 12:48pm
TEDDIES - what is your take on launch of starbucks first cafe??

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Posted By: kirannisarga84
Date Posted: 11/Nov/2012 at 9:47am
Hi,

I see that "Tata Tea" forum is inactive for quite sometime despite the company making several moves recently. Some key positive points I see (and available easily on the net):

-Appointment of Mr Harish Bhat as MD (he was formerly COO of Titan). Aged just 49, BITS Pilani, IIMA Alumnus, TAS cadre, written a book on Tata group, regular columnist in Hindu Business line .

-JV with Starbucks to expand fast.
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/results-boardroom/tata-global-eyes-100-starbucks-store-soon_776227.html

-Water business component will grow due to the Himalayan Brand finding instant exposure in 18000 starbucks outlets worldwide. Himalayan is just like Evian branded water which derives its "equity" from the Alps

-Tata Coffee's plantation resorts are good according to my close sources :). Weekend getaways are very popular for Bangaloreans. The plantation resorts in coorg are just 5 hours away from bangalore.

-TGBL eyeing more diversification by including water and coffee as tea presents 70% of company revenue.

-No issues like corporate governance / financial discrepencies

-Not sure of the previous management (going by Basantji's earlier post), but any inputs on the current management?

There are lot more points. But the above points are very compelling to buy a piece of this company.



Inputs from experts?


Posted By: ameydesai
Date Posted: 11/Nov/2012 at 10:34am
Originally posted by kirannisarga84

Hi,

I see that "Tata Tea" forum is inactive for quite sometime despite the company making several moves recently. Some key positive points I see (and available easily on the net):

-Appointment of Mr Harish Bhat as MD (he was formerly COO of Titan). Aged just 49, BITS Pilani, IIMA Alumnus, TAS cadre, written a book on Tata group, regular columnist in Hindu Business line .

-JV with Starbucks to expand fast.
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/results-boardroom/tata-global-eyes-100-starbucks-store-soon_776227.html

-Water business component will grow due to the Himalayan Brand finding instant exposure in 18000 starbucks outlets worldwide. Himalayan is just like Evian branded water which derives its "equity" from the Alps

-Tata Coffee's plantation resorts are good according to my close sources :). Weekend getaways are very popular for Bangaloreans. The plantation resorts in coorg are just 5 hours away from bangalore.

-TGBL eyeing more diversification by including water and coffee as tea presents 70% of company revenue.

-No issues like corporate governance / financial discrepencies

-Not sure of the previous management (going by Basantji's earlier post), but any inputs on the current management?

There are lot more points. But the above points are very compelling to buy a piece of this company.



Inputs from experts?
@kiran - thanks for the info on TGBL ....quite informative


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Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 12/Jun/2013 at 11:17pm
I just could not understand the 20% fall in Tata Coffee anybody having any clue?

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Posted By: navtej91
Date Posted: 20/Jun/2013 at 1:47am
coffee prices have hit a 3 year low ... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323975004578503100760903958.html ......... could be one reason


Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 20/Jun/2013 at 9:46am
that's the point .. fall in coffee prices is actually incrementally positive for Tata Coffee as they are processors of raw coffee rather than grower (only 20% of total)

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Posted By: manishwithted
Date Posted: 20/Jun/2013 at 9:53am
anyone knows how much stake TGB has in starbucks JV. I believe that starbucks will have lot of potential in India.
Also the past track in increase of revenues is not impressive. They have several brands spread over the globe. It is difficult to evaluate the performance and brand recall in such case.

The stock doesnt seem to be cheap. Other than starbucks what can be possible triggers.

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Posted By: master
Date Posted: 20/Jun/2013 at 10:41am
This is more of a global business now with overseas revenues at 65% exporting to 40 countries under many brands like Tetley, Good Earth, Jemca, Vitax, Laager, Eight o clock coffee, Himalayan mineral water, Grand coffee etc
 
JV with Starbucks is 50:50.


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Posted By: grim
Date Posted: 21/Jun/2013 at 12:48pm
Punting season is on for this stock now :)

Tata Coffee may touch Rs 1600 in long term: Sukhani [
 http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/stocks-views/tata-coffee-may-touch-rs-1600long-term-sukhani_903053.html]





Posted By: grim
Date Posted: 21/Jun/2013 at 12:50pm
off topic:
Edelweiss seems to have nice reports/charts :-
https://www.edelweiss.in/company/Tata-Coffee-Ltd.html



Posted By: manishwithted
Date Posted: 22/Jun/2013 at 12:37pm
hi Master,
I think JV with starbucks has good potential.

But the stock is already quoting at a trailing PE of 22.
The last 10 year growth has been slow at a rate of about 10 %.
Also since it has got presence in so many overseas market, most of them already mature - Canada, Australia UK etc, high rate of growth in such markets will be unlikely.
launching new products or entering new markets takes time to bear fruits and cannot be guaranteed.
Also the ROCE of TGB is not as good as other FMCG companies.

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