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Trent - Trending into high growth.

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Topic: Trent - Trending into high growth.
Posted By: basant
Subject: Trent - Trending into high growth.
Date Posted: 02/Aug/2006 at 9:46pm

Trent - Finally catching the trend!

Trent (C.M.P 715.00) is the Tata group promoted retail company. It runs the Westside brand of departmental stores. Last year Trent picked up a 74% stake in landmark in an all cash deal. Landmark is a Chennai based  books, stationery and music retailer that is fast expanding across all the cities of India.

Consolidated Sales for Trent for Fy 06 was Rs 405 crores. The figure was generally lower because the company could not merge Landmark’s full year revenue with itself. It had bought oat the Chennai retailer in August 2005. Normally I would assume that full year sales should have been around Rs 450 crores had Trent included the full year sales of landmark.

Simone Tata the chair person of Trent    has a very different working style compared to the new first generation entrepreneurs. She wants to keep the processes absolutely efficient and in the process lost the first mover advantage to Pantaloon retail. While Pantaloon has over 3.2 million square feet of retail space Trent has only 20% of that space.

Inspte of being labeled as a slow mover Trent has increased sales by between 40% to 50% for the past 4 years. Profits have also moved up but the best part has been the change in the nature of profits. About 4 years back Trent used to derive 100% of its profits from investing activities while now this figure has substantially gone down as operating profits have increased year on year/.

Recently Trent announced entered into a memorandum of understanding with DLF for anchoring the DLF's next 12 malls  through Westside, Landmark or Star India Bazaar (Trent’s hypermarket model). The total square footage from this alliance works out to over 1 million square feet! 

While these numbers might appear to be normal a back of the envelope calculation makes the numbers very appealing. Trent with a total square foot area of 600,000 square feet is adding another 1 million square feet. This means that the company expects to be about three times its size (aided with growth in same stores sales) over the next two or three years. When contacted the company declined to comment stating that they would discuss these things at its Annual General meeting.

Today Trent declared a Rights issue to raise Rs 130 crores through equity and Rs 200 crores through Non convertible debenture. If we add the Rs 70 crore of cash the company is already sitting on Trent should have a cash of about Rs 400 crores after they complete their various offering.

·         My sense is that a Tata group company with strong integrity and management skills would not raise cash unless it has concrete plans up its sleeve. The last time Trent raised Rs 117 crore from shareholders they acquired Landmark so some major expansion should be on the anvil.

·         Trent’s RoE stands at 13%. This is abysmally low compared to Pantaloon’s 25%. The primary reason for this low RoE has been the huge cash the company holds. The raising of further cash through the new offering installs belief that the company has found use for the old cash and also for the new one hence revenues, profits and efficiency ratios should go up.

·         High margin private label contribute to about 80% of Trent‘s revenues. More over Trent is in the high margin lifestyle business where margins and profits are substantially better compared to the hypermarket model of business.

Trent should declare an Eps of Rs 30 for Fy 07 and Rs 45 for Fy 08. Available at a trailing PE of 36 times and growing at 50% each year Trent is an excellent pick for a risk averse investor who wants to play the Great Indian consumer story. Also a company with a market cap of Rs 1000 crores raising money to create a war chest of Rs 400 crores menas that they have something up their sleeve?

To read more bout the great Indian consumer boom click on the following link

  http://www.theequitydesk.com/consumer_undergoing.asp -  I have substantial exposure to Trent.



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Aug/2006 at 12:39pm
Early this year Tata sons issued a press statement stating that like businesses like Insurance, retailing, telecom would be their thrust areas  as these sectors are still in the emerging stage. The next couple of weeks would make things clearer from the retailing point of view.

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Aug/2006 at 1:45pm

The latest Annual report for Trent carries some very interesting statements about the company's future:

 

Format

Current

Area till FY 07

Area till FY 08

Westside and Star India Bazaar

6 lac sq. feet

9 lac sq feet

12.50 lac sq feet

Land Mark

6 stores

10 stores

Not indicated

 

The above table indicates that Trent should be comfortably able to achieve a 50% CAGr for the next 2 years. Putting the numbers in perspective I could have estimated the following numbers for the next 2 years: 

Consolidated Sales for Fy 07

Rs 650 crores

EPS Fy 07

Rs 30.00 per share

Consolidated Sales for Fy 08

Rs 1000 crores

EPS Fy 07

Rs 45.00 per share

PE Fy 07

27 times

PE Fy 08

18 times

PEG

0.54

 These assumptions come with a couple of caveats:

n        Trent is coming out with a Rights issue. Post the rights the projected EPS may  fall due to a dilution in equity but the company shall deploy the Rights proceeds to earn some revenue and that has not been computed.

n        As revenues expand Trent could see some operating leverage with the Net profit growth happening at a faster rate then the revenue growth fixed costs remaining more or less intact. I have not assumed that efficiency.

n        Even if a rights issue were to happen the shareholders gains would not be affected. He may get additional shares at reduced prices so any down ward revision in EPS will be compensated with additional holdings in the company.

 

Trent remains a good solid bet on the Indian Retail sector.



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Posted By: reema
Date Posted: 31/Aug/2006 at 11:15am

The stock has moved up quite a lot since you wrote at Rs 715 it is now at Rs 865. I missed it at that time. Do you suggest that I get in now or wait....



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 31/Aug/2006 at 11:37am

I would suggest you to wait and buy only in panic/fall not otherwise..



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2006 at 5:58pm

Trent has reportedly finalised plans to take its Landmark brand of stores across the verious cities of the country. It is reported that with these expansion programs( 18 landmark stores) the total floor area will increase to 5.00 lac square feet from 1.8 lac square feet.

In this process Land mark will also set up outlets at Hotels and Airports (smaller sized ones) and also get into the Tier - II cities as well. In Fy 06 Land Mark did a sale of Rs100 crore which should be trebled by Fy 09. Trent seemed in demand today and closed nearer to Rs 900. My sense is that slew of expansion program for Westside will also be undertaken. At this price Trent trades at 30 times to its Fy 07 earnings.
 


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Posted By: kattur
Date Posted: 01/Oct/2006 at 4:55pm
About Vadilal, it could be that the next generation has taken interest / has become active in the family business.  We have such examples in MTR foods - they were just a nice restuarant  earlier - then the Emergency happened and the family decided to go into small packed food business to keep going.  Now that has become their major money spinner.  There is a similar story in Nilgiris- these two are not listed companies and some bigguns are eyeing them.  Ditto for Viveks - all these are South based small businesses and single family owned.  With the economy booming and the aggressive and more educated next generation taking charge, these businesses are going places.  See what happened to Landmark, the book store.  As soon as Trent took a major share in this, Odyssey was taken over by Deccan.  By the way, I was told by someone in this electronic field that Trent is close to finalizing the take over of Viveks - the Chennai based electronic goods store.   If this happens, this is a great plus for Trent.  Viveks have many showrooms in prime locations and a booming business.  Mr. Basant, put on your thinking cap and tell us how this will help the stock.
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 01/Oct/2006 at 9:01pm

May be your haunch could be correct. That is because the alst time Trent came out with a rights issue it bought over 74% in LandMark. Post the current RIghts issue the company should have a cash of Rs 400 crores and that could be put to some good use. COnsumer durable retailing would fir into their synergies quite well. The company could make this chain a National Brand.I am extremely bullish on Trent form a 2-3 year perspective.

How sure are you about this Vivek deal. Is it a grapewine or do we have anything more to that.
 


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Posted By: kattur
Date Posted: 01/Oct/2006 at 11:29pm
Mr. Basant, I just bought something from a shop that belongs to a rival of Vivek's in retail electronics business.  The person who delivered it told me that they have a publication for the benefit of the electronic business community - and this was written in the latest issue.  He thinks Vivek's is going out of business and he is excited about it.  When I probed him, he said the Tatas are buying them out.  This was as of yesterday.  I can try and ask him to get me this publication when he comes again on Wednesday.  It is a fact Viveks were on the look out for partners in their business - they even thought of going solo and public.  But I guess it did not work out that way.  This was ofcourse written about in a business magazine about two years ago.  Now with the retail boom, I am not surprised at the Tata's move.  Viveks has a strong presence in many of the bigger towns in TN besides more than half a dozen showrooms in Chennai and may be even a few in neighbouring States.  MTR, by the way, is also on the look out for strategic partners.  I wouldn't be surprised if ITC buys them out and clubs their Kitchens of India brand and wipe out a serious competition.

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 01/Oct/2006 at 11:34pm
Thank you so much. Please see if you could update us with that news. The benefit with owing a large consumer durable store is that suddenly Trent could bargain with Videocon for TV prices etc if they set their own outlets it takes time to reach that scale hence the bargaining takes time. Vivek was looking for an IPo I also remember reading it but this could be block buster for TRent - buying out a distressed business and then creating synergies - If that happens!

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Oct/2006 at 9:32am
Trent announced a Rights issue in the ratio of 1 share for 5 held at a premium of Rs 490 per share. This will be preceeded by a preferential issue of shares and warrants to the promoters.
 
My sense is that the company should be able to raise about Rs 300 crores through this exercise. What it needs to do is increase its RoE which is tottering at below 15%.Such abysmally low http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=119 - RoE's tend to make high PE's unsustainable


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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 11/Oct/2006 at 2:27pm
It will be interesting to see if there is any purchasing power increase which gets reflected in sales in the coming quarters.
Competitive forces are also at play.In Kochi,Lulu(Indian-owned and very popular in the Gulf) is putting up a huge hypermarket and they are planning to expand into Bangalore , Chennai, and Hyderabad.
I read recently that in Britain, Asda(a Wal mart company)has been losing out to Tesco and Sainsbury as it catered to  the less premium segment of the market and is finding it difficult to adapt to changing consumer expectations.


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Posted By: akash
Date Posted: 24/Oct/2006 at 3:33pm
Can anyone provide me the nse and bse code for Trent warrants?


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 24/Oct/2006 at 6:50pm
At the NSe it is traded under series "W1" for the scripname TRENT.

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Posted By: akash
Date Posted: 28/Oct/2006 at 8:58pm
Basantji,
 
Could you plz tell that the new Retail stores called Croma recently started by Tata's in Mumbai are runned by Trent or Tata Sons. If by Trent what could be possible upside in sales growth and profit margin in coming quarters.


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Posted By: akash
Date Posted: 28/Oct/2006 at 9:04pm
Also if you could provide more information about Trent warrants. My friend told me that Trent warrants are traded at two different prices of BSE one at 300 and other at 450 possible. Is it possible? I am not able to find the codes for that but he tried this online on his sharekhan terminal. So,if you have any info it would be quite handy.

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Posted By: vishal.sahay
Date Posted: 07/Jan/2007 at 5:42pm
Basantji,
 
I have two questions on trent for you (Disclosure: I am holding trent Warrants)
 
1. the company in October said that they are goin to raise 152 to 165 crore through rights issue after completing preferential issue allotment, but while saying that mentioned that the Company shareholder holding NCD of Trent will be given an offer to convert their warrants into equity shares so that they could also apply for the rights. is it true that we will be given an offer to convert these warrants so ear;ly which are due in 2010 and apply for rights?
 
2. if your answer to first ques is yes, will u advice an investor to convert those warrants into equity as converting those warrants at these price will be out of the money and also i think even after applying rights the investor will be in loss. So what should an investor at that point of time? Whether i should buy in cash market & go for rights then or convert my warrants and then for rights?
 
Plz guide me sir about this on how to approach this issue. thanks in advance


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 07/Jan/2007 at 7:03pm
is it true that we will be given an offer to convert these warrants so ear;ly which are due in 2010 and apply for rights? - That offer is over and would start gagain in Feb 2010. I too hold warrants and have not opted for conversion.
 
Whether i should buy in cash market & go for rights - This is always the best choice. Did you read this topic?
 
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=511 - http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=511


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Posted By: getmanoj
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 6:40pm
Basant ji, Trent is quoting around 810. It has come down from 865. Do you think it's a nice time to accumulate this stock?


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 7:09pm
ABsolutely but I find more value in the http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=511 - Trent Warrants which is what I also hold.

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Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 10:25pm
Croma is not owned by Trent as far as I know.



Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 4:41am
As pe news to me, TRENT's future is capped. It will remain left with westside and start India format will be sold to another TATA entity. So TRENT will be left with garment retailing and all other kind of formats will belong to other TATA entity.
Well!! personally I feel it is unfair to minority shareholders. But remember TRENT is run by Neol TATA whereas all other entities belong to Ratan TATA camp. Not fair but life is like that ...sometimes .Cry


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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 8:58am

Trent-the Tatas are behaving unfairly just like  some of the MNCs and exit may be the wise option or is it ?



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 9:13am
Originally posted by vipul

As pe news to me, TRENT's future is capped. It will remain left with westside and start India format will be sold to another TATA entity. So TRENT will be left with garment retailing and all other kind of formats will belong to other TATA entity.
Well!! personally I feel it is unfair to minority shareholders. But remember TRENT is run by Neol TATA whereas all other entities belong to Ratan TATA camp. Not fair but life is like that ...sometimes .Cry
 
 
Is that grapewine or more then that. I had converted out from Trent ino Tv18 last year and also bought the Trent warrants which I think represents value In any case their Star India bazaar has been making losses since inception (one analyst told me).
 
 


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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 06/Feb/2007 at 9:45pm
I exited my  small exposure in Trent as soon as I heard this-the hypermarkets would have provided long-term growth and the possiblity of tie-ups.Its curious how the stock price generally seem to reflect all such bad news when you look at it in retrospect.Its only for exceptional news/growth (for entrepreneurial companies that are out of the radar of analysts )that the news doesnt seem to get reflected in advance -whether good or bad.

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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2007 at 4:07pm
http://www.bseindia.com/qresann/news.asp?newsid=%7bCA8F86F9-21D1-4749-BFF8-2526D65BE7BF%7d - Trent Ltd has informed BSE that the Company has entered into an Agreement with The Xander Group Inc., a global private equity firm. The Xander Group Inc. will through one or more of its Fund vehicles invest in the development of an institutional retail real estate portfolio in India in partnership with high quality Indian developers.
 
The Company would have anchor tenancy rights and obligations and would participate with Xander in the management of such portfolio and its growth. The arrangement will be of considerable help to the Company in its growth plans in the retail sector, including through its current formats like Westside, Landmark and Star India Bazaar.
 
 


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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2007 at 4:18pm
 I wonder then  if Trent is selling off Star India Bazaar to some group company as earlier reported

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Posted By: RAKESH
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2007 at 10:03pm
basantji wat do u suggest should one buy trent now for long term


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2007 at 10:17pm
Yes I would.

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Posted By: Mohan
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2007 at 11:15pm
Trent has also filed a rights issue papers with SEBI
1 : 5 @ 500.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Jun/2007 at 10:52am
Originally posted by kulman

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/DLF_plans_giant_malls_ties_up_with_Tata/articleshow/2112327.cms - DLF plans giant malls; ties up with Tata  (ET)
 
 
Giving a big boost to its retail initiatives, India's largest builder DLF Limited has drawn up plans to set up country's largest mall with nearly 40 lakh sq ft lettable area and a chain of multiplexes in major cities.

It plans multiplexes at Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Chandigarh and Ludhiana.

DLF, which is hitting the capital markets on Monday with the largest public offer of Rs 9,625 crores, has worked out an ambitious strategy to expand its retail business covering the entire spectrum of the sector.

It has already tied up with Trent, the retail business of the Tata Group, to partner across their intended retail formats, occupying a minimum of 150,000 sq ft feet in each mall. DLF also has an MoU with Metro Cash and Carry to identify suitable retail spaces in various locations across the country.

"The size of our malls is also increasing due to consumer demand for greater retail diversity and we believe that in the future, size will be an important determinant of the success of a mall," a DLF official said.
Slated to be India's largest mall, the Mall of India will come up at Gurgaon on a 32.87 acre land. It is designed by Jerde Partnership Inc, an international firm of architects.The under-construction Mall of India at Gurgaon is has a total lettable area of around 39 lakh square feet and a total land area of 32.87 acres.

On the cinema front, the company set up an entity called DT Cinemas in 1999 and runs two multiplexes with a total of six screens and 1,323 seats. It is planning several new multiplexes in and around New Delhi ranging from three screens to seven screens.

"As part of our growth strategy, we intend to mirror the growth exhibited in India's retail market in our multiplex cinema business by becoming an anchor client in most of our malls," the DLF official said.

DLF's retail space development plan has six main formats: stand-alone stores, shopping centres, prime downtown shopping districts, neigbourhood malls, destination malls and super-luxury malls. The business model includes both sale, ownership and leasing of properties, though there is a focus on retaining ownership and managing mall properties by the company.

The company has secured land for the development of approximately 44 million square feet of retail space, of which 10 million square feet is under construction currently. Among the completed and sold projects are the DLF City Centre and the DLF Mega mall.
 
 
 
So finally Trent will get moving. ACtually it is the cheapest retailing stock in the market - problem is growth has been tapering off.


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Posted By: psimajin
Date Posted: 11/Jun/2007 at 12:53pm

Trent Warrant is at Rs 200 & Stock at cmp 700.Which one will be better option.



Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 11/Jun/2007 at 1:10pm
Warrants.

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Posted By: equity-shishya
Date Posted: 24/Aug/2007 at 8:54pm
Basantji,
 
Have you given up on Trent ?
 
It looks interesting atleast valuation wise. Also I read that they are opening lot of westside stores in 2008
 
Is Landmark's revenues a very small part of the overall Trent revenues ?
The Landmark store is choc-a-bloc in Bangalore during weekends
 
But I find Shopper's stop more occupied than westside


Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 24/Aug/2007 at 10:17pm
Rel MF recently bought Trent if i am not wrong.

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 24/Aug/2007 at 12:13pm
Great value, Terrible management. I wasted a fortune dividing my money between trent and Pantaloon in 2003. Though Trent gave me a 6 bagger the other smaller cousin was a 60 bagger. These guys are like a rich man's lazy children. That time Trent had Rs 160 crores in cash out of its market cap of Rs 200 crores and Pantaloon had a debt equity of more then 2:1. We all know what happened after that.
 
Over the past 4 years they have never shown an RoE of more then 14%, they were the first to identify the hypermarket model of business but have opened only 2 so far whereas Pantaloon opens 2 in a month, when I tried contacting the management they said they do not give any information but their growth should be about the industry growth over the past few quarters growth has slackened but all said and done this is avalue investor's way to get into the Indian Retail market.
 
I exited Trent last year and am presently invested in only the warrants which I think is an excellent way to play this story. Check this link http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=511 - Long term stock warrants could be big multibaggers .


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Posted By: koodala_sangama
Date Posted: 28/Aug/2007 at 8:42am

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Services/Retailing/Trent_outlines_capital_expenditure_of_Rs_250_cr_for_3_years/articleshow/2317875.cms - Trent outlines capital expenditure of Rs 250 cr for 3 years
- 28 Aug, 2007, 2120 hrs IST, PTI




MUMBAI: Tata Group firm Trent, which runs Westside and Landmark retail stores, has outlined a capital expenditure of Rs 250 crore for the next three years.

This year the company would spend about Rs 65 crore as capital expenditure, Trent Chairman F K Kavarana said at The Annual General Meeting here.

The capital expenditure would be met through the company's internal accruals and Trent would go for rights issue, Kavarana said.

By the end of this financial year, Trent stores would be spread to 11.5 lakh square feet area from a mere 4 lakh square feet now.

Ten more Westside stores would be added this year taking the total number to 37 through the country, Kavarana said. Of the existing 27 Westside stores, three are owned by Trent and the rest are leased.

Similarly, Landmark, a book retail store, would be expanded to 14 from nine now. Last year, Landmark reported a turnover of Rs 136 crore, a jump of 30 per cent over last year.

Landmark is jointly owned by Trent and Chennai-based Hemu Ramaiah, who started the retail store. Trent has the majority shareholding.

Trent's hypermarket, Star India Bazaar, in Ahmedabad has started to achieve breakeven, he said. This year two more hypermakets would be opened, in Mumbai and Bangalore.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Aug/2007 at 10:40am
Normally a Rs 1 capex in retail can do a Rs 10 turnover so assuming that they are able to invest this money the company should do a turnover a Rs 2500 crore in 3 years plus the existing business that means around Rs 3200 crores taking a 7% net profit margin this comes to Rs 225 crores or an EPS that exceeds Rs 100!!!
 
While all these assumptions are great the company has faltered on this before but because Reliance MF have gone ahead and made such sizeable investments I think that this time the company is serious in its plans.
 
During the past couple of years the company was handicapped since most of its stores could not be opened because of problems from the developer's side. The tie up with DLF should solve that problem and also those store openings would spill over to this year and the next now.
 
I am playing Trent only through the warrants.


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 2:25pm
Trent Ltd has announced that the http://www.bseindia.com/qresann/news.asp?newsid=%7b57C27931-900B-4CE8-A361-3C882D515064%7d - Benetton Group and Trent Ltd., a Tata Group Company, have joined forces in a strategic partnership for the Sisley brand's commercial expansion in India . The agreement was signed on September 18, 2007 by Alessandro Benetton, deputy chairman of Benetton Group, and Noel Tata, Managing Director of Trent Ltd.

Under this agreement, the Company will open and manage a number of Sisley stores in India's major cities. The first shops will open over the next few months, starting with the top shopping streets in two of India’s most dynamic cities: Hyderabad and Bangalore.


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Posted By: koodala_sangama
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2007 at 7:49pm
http://www.domain-b.com/companies/companies_t/trent/20070917_trent.htm

Trent opens Star Bazaar in Mumbai
17 September 2007

Mumbai: Trent Ltd, Tata Group's retail arm has launched its hypermarket format, Star Bazaar, in Mumbai at Thakur Mall in suburban Dahisar.

The hypermarket is spread over 50,000-sq ft, and will offer non-vegetarian food, and will run a run a live bakery, while selling in-house labels of garments, among other things.

Brand names of the value apparels, which would be priced onwards from Rs99, are Edward, France Giovanni, Spike and Fashion Street in different categories of men's wear, while Navya is the brand name for Indian wear, and Tammy is for kids wear. The garments are sourced from across India, including hubs like Jaipur, Tirupur and Mumbai.

Selling in-house labels has been a profitable line for Trent, be it in garments, staples or home cleaners, according to Neeti Chopra, Marketing Head, Trent. The company's in-house labels, according to her, are doing well mainly on account of the high degree of customisation that the company is able to offer basis the needs of its audience.

Other Star Bazaar location is the 50,000-sq ft retail space in Ahmedabad, set up in 2004. The company plans to launch a third hypermarket in Bangalore within the next two months, followed by another in Mumbai by December-January.

By 2009-2010, the company aims to be present in the top 15 to 20 cities, having opened 23 to 25 Star Bazaars. To manage the back end of the hypermarket, Trent has tied up with regional vendors and small operators for transportation of goods.


Posted By: CHINKI
Date Posted: 19/Sep/2007 at 5:31pm
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Posted By: nil5624
Date Posted: 30/Sep/2007 at 12:04pm
flashbackShocked
YEAR EVENTS 1952 - The Company was incorporated on 5th December, at Mumbai. It manufactures cosmetics, perfumery, toilet preparations, basic drugs, drug intermediates and formulations thereof.

1978 - 20,000 bonus shares issued in prop. 4:5.

1981 - 36,000 bonus shares issued in prop. 4:5.

1982 - The Tata Oil Mills Co. Ltd., offered for sale 4,17,000 No. of equity shares of Rs 10 each of the Company at a premium of Rs 10 per share.

- 5,00,000 shares of Rs 10 each then issued (prem. Rs 10 per share) of which 40,000 shares reserved for preferential allotment to the employees/business associates of the Company. The balance 4,60,000 shares (along with reserved quota not taken up if any) offered for public subscription during December.

1985 - In May/June, in order to augment the long-term resources for working capital requirements, the Company issued 15% non-convertible secured debentures of Rs 100 each of the aggregate value of Rs 1.25 crores on `Rights basis' in the proportion of one debenture for every 10 equity shares held. These debentures are redeemable at a premium of Rs 5 per share on the expiry of seven years from the date of allotment.

- The Company received separate industrial licence for the manufacture and exports of various types of medical equipment from Kandla Free Trade Zone.

- Application was also made for conversion of the letter of intent into Industrial Licence in respect of the project for the manufacture of pharmaceutical formulations.

- 5,24,000 bonus shares issued in prop. 2:5 in March 1986.

1986 - Two separate undertakings were established for the manufacture of medical equipments and pharmaceutical formulations respectively at the Kandla Free Trade Zone.

- The Company issued 2,75,000-13.5% secured redeemable convertible debentures of Rs 100 each as follows: (i) 2,62,000 debentures to the existing equity shares holders on rights basis in the ratio of 1 debenture for 7 equity shares held and (ii) 13,000 debentures to the employees/workers on equitable basis.

- Out of the employees' quota only 7,690 debentures were taken up and the balance 5,310 debentures were allowed to lapse. Thus a total of 2,69,690 debentures were allotted.

- A portion of Rs 25 of each debenture was compulsorily converted into 1 equity share of Rs 10 each at a premium of Rs 15 on the expiry of 1 year from the date of allotment. The remaining portion of Rs 75 of each debenture, after conversion, would be redeemed at par at the end of 7 years from the date of allotment.

1988 - The cosmetics division launched two new products which were well received in the market.

- The Company's industrial undertakings at Kandla Free Trade Zone (KAFTZ) Gandhidham, Kutch, Gujarat, engaged exclusively in exports, was sold as a going concern to the Company's wholly owned subsidiary `Lakme Exports Ltd.' Lakme Exports Ltd., were also to take over the services of all employees at KAFTZ.

1989 - 10,04,437 No. of equity shares issued (prem. Rs 75 per share) as rights and to employees. Another 1,04,500 No. of equity shares of Rs 10 each allotted as fully paid up to the shareholders of Bruel Investments Ltd.

1991 - The Company has initiated steps to enhance its exports to general currency area. The Pharmaceuticals division continued to be affected by high cost of raw materials without any commensurate increase in the selling prices.

- The Breul Investments Ltd. has become a subsidiary of the Company.

1992 - Breul Investments Ltd. was amalgamated with the Company with effect from 1st April. As per the terms of scheme 1,04,500 No. of equity shares of Rs 10 each of the Company were allotted to the shareholders of BIL in the portion of 55 No. of equity shares of the Company for each share held in BIL.

1994 - The new products introduced by the Cosmetics divisions viz., "Ultra" and the "Orchids" ranges in colour cosmetics fields were well received in the market.

- With a view to focus and concentrate on the core business of cosmetics and personal care products and ensure growth of pharm business, the Company decided to restructure the business by selling the pharmaceutical division called the Tata Pharma to a proposed new Company called "Tata Pharma Pvt. Ltd."

- Miaami Pharma & Chemicals Ltd. (MPCL), was merged with Lakme Ltd. effective 1st January, as per the scheme approved by BIFR. On 9.12.1994, the shareholders of erstwhile MPCL were allotted one equity share of each of Lakme Ltd., for every 45 shares held by them in MPCL. Accordingly, 1,09,333 shares were allotted.

1995 - A new product range `Elle 18' as well as several new products and variants were introduced during the year and were very well received in the market.

- The company formed a joint venture, Lakme Lever Ltd., with Hindustan Lever Ltd., to which the Company has transferred its sales and marketing of cosmetic operations.

- 67,10,707 Bonus shares issued in proportion 1:1.

1996 - On 1st January, the Company has formed a subsidiary, Lakme Brands Ltd. to acquire all the trade marks, technology, R&D infrastructure and brands of the parent Company.

1999 - Name changed to Trent Ltd. with effect from 28-06-1999.

2000 - Lakme has introduced a new range of Lakme Pure Radiance Blusher.

2007

-Trent Ltd has entered into an Agreement with The Xander Group Inc., a global private equity firm



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Posted By: koodala_sangama
Date Posted: 14/Oct/2007 at 8:07am
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2007/20071013/region.htm

Ludhiana
outlet openED:
Madame, a fashion wear brand for women, opened its 36th store in Flamez mall on friday.Madame, the brand of Jain Amar Clothing. The company plans to open more exclusive stores and shop-in-shops in all major fashion markets across the country.

Store opened: Simon Tata of the Tata Group on friday inaugurated the company’s first lifestyle store, Westside, operated by Trent Limited, a Tata enterprise at the West End mall here.Tata is planning to open more stores in Jalandhar, Amritsar and Chandigarh soon.




Posted By: kattur
Date Posted: 14/Oct/2007 at 8:53am
Can someone please explain to me how the Trent warrants work - are they converted to equity at a specific time - if so, when and at what price? 
 
The warrants closed at a price of Rs.123 on Friday.  Is it a good level to enter instead of Pantaloon?


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 14/Oct/2007 at 9:35am
PRIL and Trent cannot be compared. Trent's warrant's would be converted at equity for Rs 650, Reliance MF took a huge block of Trent shares at Rs 675 odd!!!

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Posted By: bgkochar
Date Posted: 15/Oct/2007 at 9:52pm
basantji
 
why not any comparison. trent is conservative and pantaloon is very  aggresive,that is the reason or any other reason? do u have ant call on trent at cmp?


Posted By: kattur
Date Posted: 15/Oct/2007 at 10:26pm
For a new entrant, considering the kind of run up that Pantaloon has had, wouldn't Trent be a better option to enter the retail sector?
 
When is the conversion to take place - Trent closed at 530 today. 
 
Also, does anyone know the figures that Landmark contributes to Trent's top and bottom lines?  It is like a mela in Landmark stores in Chennai all the time.


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Posted By: bgkochar
Date Posted: 15/Oct/2007 at 10:38pm
dear mr. kattur
 
can u elaborate more abt landmark.


Posted By: koodala_sangama
Date Posted: 23/Oct/2007 at 8:29pm
Latest results - sales are flat Dead

 Sep ' 07Jun ' 07Mar ' 07Dec ' 06Sep ' 06
      
Sales  119.49 121.60 108.58 121.83 120.29
Other Income  6.19 2.06 5.92 3.17 4.35
Stock Adjustment  -2.19 2.16 2.33 0.98 -16.65
Raw Material  0.45 0.45 0.31 0.55 0.65
Power And Fuel  0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Employee Expenses  8.04 9.19 7.19 7.11 7.50
Excise  0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Admin And Selling Expenses  10.37 9.58 5.67 11.03 0.00
Research And Devlopment Expenses  0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Expenses Capitalised  0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Other Expeses  95.38 90.12 89.13 90.18 119.02
Provisions Made  0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Operating Profit  7.45 10.09 3.95 11.98 9.77
Interest  0.33 0.33 0.37 0.33 0.33
Gross Profit  13.31 11.82 9.49 14.82 13.80
Depreciation  2.07 1.47 2.34 1.58 2.55
Taxation  2.12 2.65 0.35 2.80 3.22
Net Profit / Loss  9.11 7.70 6.80 10.44 8.03
Extra Ordinary Item  0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Prior Year Adjustments  0.02 0.09 0.30 0.28 0.00
      
Equity Capital  19.49 15.76 15.76 15.76 14.43
Equity Dividend Rate  0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Agg.Of Non-Prom. Shares (in lacs)  132.13 110.63 110.63 110.63 106.27
Agg.Of Non PromotoHolding(%)  67.78 70.19 70.19 70.19 73.65
OPM(%)  6.23 8.29 3.63 9.82 8.12
GPM(%)  10.58 9.56 8.29 11.85 11.06
NPM(%)  7.25 6.23 5.93 8.35 6.44
EPS (in Rs.)  4.67 4.89 4.31 6.62 5.56
 




Posted By: vishal.sahay
Date Posted: 17/Nov/2007 at 4:31pm

Behind Noel Tata's contrarian bet Down Under

17 Nov, 2007, 0157 hrs IST,MV Ramsurya and Kala Vijayraghavan, TNN

 

 

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Global cross-border frenzy may have enveloped India Inc, but one sector has understandably stayed away from the limelight: the retailing industry. Yet unknown to the world, a group company from the $22-billion Tata group made a seemingly audacious bid for the Australian-New Zealand business of Borders group, the world’s second largest books and music chain in the world.

 

For more than seven months, the Tata firm competed with a range of private equity firms and local book chains right through to the final stage where they were among the final three bidders left in the fray. Right through this four-month-long bidding process, nowhere did the Tata group’s name figure in local and international media reports.

 

Perhaps it may have been because the deal had been managed entirely by Tata group’s crack in-house team led by their director and sharp shooter Arun Gandhi. On Thursday evening, news finally trickled in that Trent, managed by Ratan Tata’s half brother Noel, had been pipped to the post by a local private equity firm, Pacific Equity Partners, which also owned Australia’s largest book chain, Angus & Robertson.

 

Even today, inside Trent, the bid for Borders remains a tightly-held secret known only to handful of senior executives. An official Trent spokesperson told ET, “We are currently not bidding for any business in Australia.” Most local retailers in India expressed surprise when told that the Tata firm had even gone ahead with the bid — at a time when the rest of the world had their sights on India. So what prompted Noel Tata to sight an opportunity Down Under? And more importantly, how much sense did it really make?

 

But first, let’s get some useful background on the deal. In the world of books and music retailing, Borders remained an aberration. While its global peers like Barnes & Nobles, WH Smith and Japanese retailer Kinokuniya had concentrated on building a local business, Borders decided to expand its international business a decade ago, setting up stores across the developed world including UK, but also in the Middle East, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia and New Zealand.

 

And then its brick-and-mortar business began to face a sluggish home market in North America. There was also stiff competition from web discounters like Amazon and warehouse chains like Costco Wholesale who sell various goods in addition to books. “These discounters are able to offer books at far lower prices and offset the lower margins with higher margins on other products,” said a CEO of a rival retail chain in the country.

 

The Borders board, in its global HQ in the US, decided to gradually withdraw from the rest of the world and use the same resources to consolidate its operations in the home market. It would instead rely on a franchise model which did not guzzle too much capital — something it had tested in Malaysia and UAE. So Borders began selling its operations bit by bit, first in the UK, and then gave the mandate to dispose of its 20 stores in Australia and another four in New Zealand in March this year to KPMG.

 

According to people close to the Tatas, the decision to bid for Borders may not have come about all of a sudden. Trent had been nurturing aspirations to grow its wings across Asia — except that very few in the retail industry knew about it. Unlike his high-profile peers like Kishore Biyani, BS Nagesh and now, the Reliance group, Trent CEO Noel Tata preferred to stay out of the limelight.

 

A senior consultant working at KSA Technopak, though, recalls Noel Tata outlining his plans to expand in the region, especially China, Middle East and South East Asia during a relationship meeting last year. “We never quite figured that one out. Why would they want to expand overseas even before they dug in their tentacles in their home base?” he says. Yet Trent saw an opportunity in Borders that no one else in the retail industry in the country did.

 

Their logic was simple: Trent was present in three categories: Apparel through Westside department store chain, groceries through the Star India Bazaar hypermarket format and books and music through the Landmark chain (in which they had acquired 76% stake in 2005). “Our sense was that it would not be possible for us to emerge as strong local or even Asian players in the first two categories. But we sensed that the Borders deal offered us a platform to grow into a relevant and big player at least across Asia,” said a senior executive from the group’s HQ in Bombay House.

 

The rationale

 

There were four important factors that Trent also considered. One, the Australia-NZ operations were profitable and growing at nearly 26% every year. Besides, Borders was willing to license their brand name to whoever clinched the deal. Two, since Borders was withdrawing from the Asian sub-continent, there was every likelihood that they would also put their Singapore store on the block. The 32,000-sq ft store on Orchard Road was a jewel in the crown. It registered $40 million in sales annually and besides, Tatas heard that there were plans to open one store in the city state.

 

Three, if the ANZ deal fructified, there was every chance that Borders would eschew a public bidding process (given the high fees it would have to fork out) and look at a private placement to a strategic partner, ergo, the Tatas. Four, the $1.2-billion Australian books and music market seemed in fine fettle.

 

Their own experience with their SUV Safari had proved it as well, with sales outpacing that in the UK. With that intent, the Tata group began to figure out how to structure the transaction, purely as an offshore buyout, without taking recourse to Trent’s balance sheet. Very few Indian companies had done complete offshore buyouts in the past. Even mega deals like Corus and Novelis had relied on partial recourse to the acquiring company’s balance sheet. The core team contacted some private equity groups and funds with specific domain expertise in raising funds overseas.

 

Initially, when the process was kicked off, it attracted enough media attention. After all, Borders had a 10% share of books and music retailing market in Australia. According to reports in the local media, local retail chains like Woolworths (which had partnered Tata Infiniti for its foray into the Croma consumer electronic store chain) and Dymocks showed interest, as did private equity firm Pacific Equity Partners (PEP).

 

Now, PEP was always considered the front-runner, because it wanted to combine its A&R business with that of Borders and thereby end up controlling one-third of the market. It then had plans to float the combined entity on the share market in the next 12 months.

 

Before the final bids were placed, KPMG put out an information memorandum in end July, offering more information on how the 24 stores were performing. Reports at that time in the local media put the valuation at over $100 million. In the end, only three suitors remained in the fray: PEP, Dymocks and the Tatas.

 

It wasn’t until Thursday evening that the final results were known. So far, Borders hasn’t put up any official confirmation, but Tata sources say PEP’s winning bid is likely to be around $125-130 million.

 

What now?

 

The Tatas may have lost their bid for Borders, but their contrarian gameplan is bound to set the cat among the pigeons in India’s fledgling retail industry. A top retailer grudgingly admits that Trent’s gameplan was unique — and worth mulling over.

 

Despite all the frenzy around India’s retail opportunity, the incumbents are today faced with rapidly escalating real estate prices that are forcing margins to head southwards. In such a scenario, a global approach may make suitable sense, says another leading retailer. Besides, company watchers say Trent tasted blood with the success of Landmark.

 

“Trent searched hard for local acquisitions before deciding to search outside India. There are not too many brands available for acquisitions in this space in India. Through such global acquisitions, Trent could get access to talent, a ready brand and back-end support. Not to forget a ready market globally,” said a top official in an investment firm, which advises retailers on such acquisitions.

 

Within the group, sources said several meetings had been held on evolving an out-of-the box approach. The feeling was that there are too many competitors vying for space and customers within the country. “With their experience in steel and auto, Tata officials saw no reason to ignore global retail opportunities especially when competitors were looking inward,” said a top official.

 

Of course, not everyone thinks the Trent plan had merit. “There is obviously some strong logic and reasoning there. Maybe, we do not think that way. The challenges and opportunities within India are too immense to be exposed to global ones,” said the CEO of a top Indian retail company. “So far, retail learnings suggest that the most successful retailers have always been local,” said an expat CEO of a retail firm. But at least, the Tatas are thinking big and differently, he adds.

 

 

 



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Posted By: gopal
Date Posted: 28/Mar/2008 at 8:02pm
Is there any other news on this company ... good, bad or otherwise
 
anyone has any idea of its advance tax figure, whether higher or lower then last year
 
 


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Posted By: akshayapandey
Date Posted: 05/Apr/2008 at 12:23pm
i hold some quantity of this company..seems much cheaper than pantaloon..also recently visited its store at lajpat nagar..it was jampacked with ppl..entire range of stuff available..most youths/newly married guys..i believe this company has great potential and merits buy at current prices
SP: I bought it at 500 last october..did not sell it even at high of 700 or so..am looking add more of this company..


Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 23/May/2008 at 12:59pm
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1166020 - Trent plans 80-90 Westside stores in 5 yrs


Trent Ltd will take the franchise route to foray into Tier II and Tier III cities. The lifestyle retail major aims to add 80-90 Westside stores in five years. Of this, 25-30 stores will probably be franchises.

For retailers who have been faced with rising costs, especially in terms of real estate, the franchise way could be a cost effective and comparatively risk-free option to spread their brand. In this model, rents and similar costs is to be borne by the owner of the franchise.






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Posted By: experteye
Date Posted: 23/May/2008 at 4:44pm
I like Trent as future Health & Beauty champion.It may come out slowly but surely.

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/May/2008 at 9:50pm

A very old article but it inidcates where the tide was in 2002 when it came to picking out the retailing biggies!

http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:B95Aqskrq2gJ:www.india-today.com/btoday/20020915/features3.html+samir+arora+%2B+pantaloon&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8 - http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:B95Aqskrq2gJ:www.india-today.com/btoday/20020915/features3.html+samir+arora+%2B+pantaloon&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8


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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 26/May/2008 at 10:31am

SA held 7% stake in Trent. I hardly see any fund manager such significant holdings today. Is he betting on retail now ??



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/May/2008 at 10:37am
Trent was a Rs 200 crore company at that time so that 7% has to be taken in that context. Those were the golden days of investing, you could have a 5 bagger in a stock and still underperform!


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Posted By: paragdesai
Date Posted: 04/Jul/2008 at 10:31pm
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News_by_Industry/Trent_to_open_50_hypermarkets/articleshow/3198173.cms -
Trent to invest Rs 2,000 cr for 50 hypermarkets
 
 


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 04/Jul/2008 at 10:39pm
They have failed before maybe they will be lucky this time around.

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Posted By: paragdesai
Date Posted: 04/Jul/2008 at 10:44pm
They may get better deal in  Real Estate Market now & get benefited in 2nd leg of consumption story. Though lost opportunity in first leg.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 04/Jul/2008 at 10:50pm
I owe a lot of warrant procured as part of a rights issue convertable at Rs 650 in jan 2010 I hope that they put up some stores by then.

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Posted By: Musketeer
Date Posted: 04/Jul/2008 at 10:46am
Why would someone bet on 2 horses in the same race? That too, when you know that 2nd one is a weaker one. Shouldn't PRIL be the only favoured one in this segment?
Or are there any areas in which Trent scores over PRIL?


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 04/Jul/2008 at 11:24am
Actually I had bought Trent way back in 2003 and had been alloted these warrants in a subsequent rights issue. i sold out of Trent long time back and have only an exposure to the warrants.


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Posted By: kumarrvq
Date Posted: 05/Jul/2008 at 1:16pm
Basant Jee....I remember during our Bangalore meet of TED sometime in Feb-Mar'08, you gave a fantastic statement..."Promoters who really need money from public, who are so called 'bhooka nanga' (in financial crisis), will build great empire because they will put all what they have at stake for their business", in that context only I feel any company run by these big business houses like Reliance, Birla, Tata will not qualify for great investment.....
 
For eq...
Telecom - Bharti is still #1 inspite of Reliance Com from Ambani.
Retail - PRIL is at the top inspite of Reliance Retail being in the battle field.
 
Trend also doesn't have great vision, inspite of aquiring Landmark, they are not able to do much.......like in PRIL case we know what plan they have for next 5years.
 
So, without clear vision and focus approach I believe sooner or later these Westsides, Shooper stop, Globus etc will mearly exist.


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 05/Jul/2008 at 1:54pm
I remember and agree and I learnt this the hard way. Though I made a 6 bagger before selling out of Trent I still consider it a mistake because the opportunity cost at that time was very high. It is difficult to make big money with business groups in new industries but as in other aspects of investing this is just a soft signal and ultimately business fundamentals will matter.

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Posted By: chimak10
Date Posted: 09/Jul/2008 at 5:23pm
Bill gates bhai and melinda bhabhi buys trent.

See the 8th july nse bulk deals

http://www.nseindia.com/content/equities/bulk.csv - http://www.nseindia.com/content/equities/bulk.csv


Posted By: vijaygawde
Date Posted: 09/Jul/2008 at 5:41pm
Originally posted by chimak10

Bill gates bhai and melinda bhabhi buys trent.

See the 8th july nse bulk deals

http://www.nseindia.com/content/equities/bulk.csv - http://www.nseindia.com/content/equities/bulk.csv  
 
I thought he was to spend his money on Charity... is this first initiative? Wink


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Posted By: Mindlessthinker
Date Posted: 09/Jul/2008 at 6:11pm
Originally posted by vijaygawde

Originally posted by chimak10

Bill gates bhai and melinda bhabhi buys trent.

See the 8th july nse bulk deals

http://www.nseindia.com/content/equities/bulk.csv - http://www.nseindia.com/content/equities/bulk.csv  
 
I thought he was to spend his money on Charity... is this first initiative? Wink
 
The deal is worth just c.$1.1million, not a very significant amount to take any conclusion from it.


Posted By: sureshbazi
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2008 at 8:38pm

New Landmark shop is opened in Jayanagar (Bangalore) today. Landmark sales is good on sat and sun it will be full of people and to buy any item you have stand in the queue for 15 to 20 min on weekends.  Nice see the landmark bookshop.

 

Will Landmark and joint venture with TESCO add any benefit or growth to the company?

 



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2008 at 9:38pm
I hope it does. Noel Tata seemed quite critical about his rivals when I bumped into him a couple of months back. Its time to deliver for him and he has been behind the curve for over 36 months now.


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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 03/Nov/2009 at 9:08am
I feel,
landmark business is akin to amazon
westside is akin to macy's
tesco is akin to walmart/k-mart
 
I like the fact that the company is moving slowly...but surely. I like the fact, that its a TATA company. In the long run, this company could surely be a very very large cap.
 
Trent has also tied up in a 49:51 joint venture with 'zara', an immensely popular line of clothing.. ask any yuppie... people go crazy about this brand..maybe i would have too, if i was younger.. but not anymore...but zara is a very hot brand and indians going abroad, love bringing zara products back to show off.
 
All in all, i think TRENT is possibly the best bet in retail, even though PRIL at this time looks more attractive visually.
 
Best wishes,
samir.


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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 04/Nov/2009 at 5:45pm

 

 
November 04 2009, 16:24:38 IST | MADHAV A CHANCHANI

Landmark Ltd, a books and music retailer, is a subsidiary of Tata Group's retail chain Trent.

TVS Shriram Growth Fund I has made an investment of Rs 65 crore ($13 million) in Tata Group's books and music retail chain Landmark Ltd.

The fund, managed by TVS Capital Funds Ltd, has taken nearly a 25% stake, which values the retailer in excess of Rs 260 crore. Landmark is a subsidiary of Trent Ltd, which operates the lifestyle retail chain Westside and hypermaket stores under Star Bazaar. Landmark has 20 stores in nine cities with over 2 lakh square feet of retail space. It
reported revenue of Rs 196 crore for fiscal year ending March 2009. The funds will be used expansion of the chain to other cities.

 
If interested in the full story....
 
http://www.vccircle.com/500/news/tvs-shriram-puts-rs-65cr-retailer-landmark - http://www.vccircle.com/500/news/tvs-shriram-puts-rs-65cr-retailer-landmark
 
all the best,
samir.


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Posted By: shivnanu
Date Posted: 16/Nov/2009 at 6:04pm
what will be of trent warrant in 2010 and conversion value at present value


Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 25/Nov/2009 at 9:34pm
 Bought a small qty. of Trent.Testing the waters.Tata brand name plus Tesco may work well in the medium-term

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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 25/Nov/2009 at 8:46am
Trent is a top pick as far as my opinion is concerned... i picked up some too. and will look forward to opportunities where i can pick up more!!
 
atb
samir.


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Posted By: somu0915
Date Posted: 26/Nov/2009 at 8:24pm
My 2 cents - Tata's are much safer over the long term.


Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 26/Nov/2009 at 10:47pm
i was watching it from Rs 300.. thought it was expensive at that level ..and now seeing at 800.. sometimes looking at Mcap vs market opportunity helps

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‘The market always does what it’s supposed to — BUT NEVER WHEN’.


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 04/Dec/2009 at 7:56am
One Tata company I totally missed out Though apna Samir should be happy.

Trent beats slowdown blues; stock gives whopping returns of 224% in one year
4 Dec 2009, 0117 hrs IST, Supriya Verma Mishra, ET Bureau

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Trent-beats-slowdown-blues-stock-gives-whopping-returns-of-224-in-one-year/articleshow/5298083.cms%20 - Source



Snips:
..The only organised retailer with close to 90% private labels,...
Currently, at 0.19 debt-to-equity ratio, Trent is the least leveraged amongst listed retailers. The stock is currently trading at a P/E multiple of 63x and valued at less than one time its sales (market capitalisation to sales) compared to Pantaloons (0.9x) and Koutons (1.3x). At a price-to-book value (P/BV) of 1.08x, Trent is much cheaper than its peers Pantaloon’s (1.1x) and Koutons (3.7x).

At the annualised EPS of Rs 27.1, its one-year forward P/E will be 30x. Though the business model is right, it is the speed of scalability that needs to be improved. With an improved growth, the company will be able to justify its high earnings multiple.


This whole business of private labels doesn't seem to concern many folks at TED but it surely should bother the Brand Gurus in the corporate world.

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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 04/Dec/2009 at 8:43am
Hi Hiteshji,
Yes, i am happy with trent...although i didnt buy it too cheap myself.. i kept watching for a while and noted that it just did not relent in price and then i decided that either i am in it or out of it, and i jumped in at 650 and bought less than what i originally proposed to buy, hoping that during some market correction i will buy the rest, as it normally happens, since i was a potential buyer and not a seller, trent went further up to 750 and then onto 850 presently.
 
I really wanted retail in my portfolio and was interested in trent and bharti walmart (and nothing else, even if they were cheaper) and since bharti walmart is not yet listed, Trent was the way to go.
 
I have high hopes for this company, and with its warrants being due next month and done with in feb, cash situation of the company will improve further.
 
Also, and this is my unscientific observation over some years, that whenever tatas come out with rights, or warrant conversions, after those are done , their share price goes up substantially, instead of trying to adjust for increased share capital.
 
I hope that happens with Trent , although i am in absolutely no hurry with this one.. slow and steady wins the race, and that certainly seems to be true for the retails sector.
 
Best wishes as always,
Samir.


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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 04/Dec/2009 at 8:45am
Interestingly, as far as missing out on tata companies is concerned, did you note positive movements in tata chemicals of late...? Could there be a case in few months on having missed out on tata chemicals.... i have of coarse, taken entry in that one at 282 from proceeds of selling page industries.
 
Best wishes,
Samir.
 
 


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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 04/Dec/2009 at 8:54am
I have no complaint on the Tata Chem, Elxsi, Metaliks, Steel, Voltas stories (so far).

But coming back to Trent, what is your opinion on their " close to 90% private labels". I understand that many of these big retailers, including More and Pantaloon, are seeing a lot of success here. Or do you feel we should take this to the "Brands" topic?

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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 04/Dec/2009 at 9:02am
Hiteshji, Trent has not even started to flex its muscles yet. They already have the private brands, but they are slowly but surely getting top brands and have actually already roped in ZARA a much covetted brand, which is going to open its stores in India , under its own brand name (i think) , trent having a 49 percent market share.
 
In my opinion, one should look at retail becoming huge in say 2015 atleast and think of it as a huge industry but for the future as presently , its all very nice to have malls and go there and waste time, but real gains for retailers will come as this idea matures.
I like trent, because i think they know this and are going slowly and steadily, without overextending themselves.
 
Brands is no big deal, if one wants brands, they can be had within a week... and for tatas, it should be an even smaller problem.
 
Best wishes,
samir.
 
 
PS- Is there anyone who would know, whether Trent is held by tata investment, and if yes, how much of TRent is held by them?


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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 05/Dec/2009 at 12:21pm
Samir, you can go to nseindia.com. Type TRENT in the get quote box. Enter.

Go down to shareholding pattern for details.

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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 05/Dec/2009 at 12:28pm
yes.. i have seen that.. Tata investments is not mentioned, so they could be holding less than 1% and then will not be in the list, hence i asked...
 
Here follows the list of who all ARE mentioned...(quarter ended 30th september,2009)
 
1 Jaguar Services Private Limited 205838 1.05
2 British Columbia Investrment Management Corperation A/C Asian Equity Fund 213165 1.09
3 Dsp Blackrock Small And Mid Cap Fund 219499 1.12
4 Hdfc Trustee Company Limited A/C Hdfc Long Term Equity Fund 220096 1.13
5 Dsp Blackrock Equity Fund 233528 1.20
6 Uti Equity Fund 247000 1.26
7 Norges Bank A/C Government Petroleum Fund 456005 2.33
8 Swiss Finance Corporation (Mauritius) Limited 466439 2.39
9 Xander Investment Management Limited 481362 2.46
10 Siddharatha Yog 713260 3.65
11 Sundaram Bnp Paribas Mutual Fund A/C Sundaram Bnp Paribas Select Midcap 773103 3.96
12 Reliance Capital Trustee Co. Ltd A/C Reliance Equity Opportunities Fund 1053772 5.39


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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 05/Dec/2009 at 12:30pm
Oh.. ok..
i had kept on looking at shareholders holding more than 1 percent and did not even care to read actual promoter holding...
 
 
clearly says...
Tata Investment Corporation Ltd 732714 3.75
 
 
Although i find this odd , if tata investment owns such and such share, but tata investment is itself a pubic listed company, so how is shareholding of TRent considered part of promoter quota.. no doubt a certain percentage would be, but what about the part where other than promoters own tata investments.
 
Same with other investment companies like what adag company Reliance capital owns, it is considered as promoter holding and yet, reliance capital is itself a public company and hence some part of it is with non-promoters.. i dont understand!!
 


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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 05/Dec/2009 at 1:09pm
Samir I don't think there's anything odd with a publicly listed company being a promoter of any other company.

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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 05/Dec/2009 at 1:36pm
Thats not what i meant...sure, a publicly listed company could be a promoter of another company, but, since there are other stake holders in the holding company, how is it, that the entire stake held by holding company is counted as promoter stake..
hope above is not confusing.
 
 
for example in trent,
Tata investments is counted as promoter for full stake it holds, under promoter shareholding pattern and yet, since tata investments has other shareholders, like me, then how is it, that entire stake of tata investments is counted under promoter shareholding pattern.. a certain percentage (ie public holding percentage of holding company should be knocked off)....right?
 
 


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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 05/Dec/2009 at 3:33pm
Samir, I don't know what the implication of being a promoter is. There must be some rights and duties. If you buy a typical small investor's amount, can you be considered a promoter? You will agree that the answer will be, "No". Maybe the same argument is used there?

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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 09/Dec/2009 at 10:18am
Today, someone sold Trent all the way down to 791.90 on the BSE. Then, in a flash, it went back to ~845+. Wonder what happened there?

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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 09/Dec/2009 at 10:24am
Someone was just playing around, did that with very low volume, under 100 shares, even as i type only 1700 shares traded... so no big deal!
 
best wishes,
samir


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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 09/Dec/2009 at 10:30am
Originally posted by samirarora

Someone was just playing around, did that with very low volume, under 100 shares, even as i type only 1700 shares traded... so no big deal!
 
best wishes,
samir


I'm seeing 4563 shares traded on BSE. I think someone made a typo LOL


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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 10/Dec/2009 at 9:56am
 I bought some shares of Trent a couple of weeks back around 800 and then after a few days I realized how much better it is to buy the warrants and acted upon this idea .I ought to have bought earlier(gain would have been much much more) considering I had read a book many years ago by a doctor on the multiplier gains possible in warrants as also Mr.Basant's thread on Trent warrants.Sometimes you have to think laterally.
Now with delisting next week,the warrants should move up to narrow the arbitrage opportunity unless Trent shares retreat.


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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 11/Dec/2009 at 2:15pm

he he.. not a typo, you were looking at BSE, while i normally look at NSE, just as i did in above instance.

 
Best wishes,
samir.


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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 11/Dec/2009 at 2:23pm
 Hitesh Shah,
                      At 791.9 only a few shares would have been traded.This,from my experience happens when a share is about to go /going up.It works the other way round when the share price is falling.
  Just manipulation,I think but am not certain.


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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 11/Dec/2009 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by Ajith

 Hitesh Shah,
                      At 791.9 only a few shares would have been traded.This,from my experience happens when a share is about to go /going up.It works the other way round when the share price is falling.
  Just manipulation,I think but am not certain.


Whatever it was, I got a few (but not @ 791) before it zoomed again. And I did specify it was the BSE on which this happened. It happened so quick I couldn't get more.

Anyway, now it's ~ 900 and Samir will have sold off and bought more TICErmm


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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 11/Dec/2009 at 3:14pm
actually not,
went to 900 but i am still feeling comfortable and hence have decided not to sell ...at all.. unless it goes to 1200 ha ha !!
 
bought a lot of tata investments now, have had my fill and these are going on the side now, never to be looked at (for selling purposes ie)
 
Have money on the side, will wait and buy tata elxsi IF it goes below 220.
At 15 PE it seems expensive at this time, as all i have been hearing is future projections and nothing about the present, except a 5 million dollar investment in LA and in any scheme of things, a 5 mill investment and projections about the future mean nothing to me.
 
will buy half at 220 and if i am lucky enough, will buy the other half at under 200 and if not, who cares, i got 1000 tata investments as gift from tata elxsi trade.
 
Best wishes,
samir.


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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 11/Dec/2009 at 3:48pm
BTW , tata investment  holds 2,10,000 warrants in Trent, which i would think they would convert into equity come February,2009.
 
 


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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 30/Dec/2009 at 10:56pm
  Trent will be a real winner.That isathe'prevailing bias'.Perhaps due to the Tata connection.
Scaling up fast will justify the rich valuation.


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Posted By: njagesha
Date Posted: 01/Jan/2010 at 1:03pm
The company makes very few news releases, interviews and the website doesnt have investor presentations. Neither do boarders have much useful information. Does anybody have information about their expansion plans under various formats: Star Bazaar, Westside, Landmark? Why was Croma business not launched under Trent? The management in one of the interviews said that Trent's balance sheet didnt have the might to support Croma's sudden and huge expansion plans-To me it does not sound very investor friendly specially when I see Croma growing much faster than any of Trent's business formats. HOpe to hear some significant news from Trent Management very soon. Until then, valuations of Trent worries me. Pantaloon appears to be a safer bet after recent restructuring news and sustained sales growth under various formats. Further Pantaloon having learnt from previous mistakes seems to be expanding with caution.

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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 26/Apr/2010 at 8:36pm
Trent passes resolution to have a rights issue to raise 500 crores, details etc. to be decided later.
26-04-2010
 
My favourite stock in retail sector, disclosure: I hold a small quantity (very small)


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