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subu76
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I got an example which i can use for a lifetime. Thanks 
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rajnsharma
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Posted: 21/Dec/2011 at 5:56pm |
Tyasha, you have summerized the feelings at teddies very well by an example. Anything you get without hard work, you will not recognize the value. Also the so called socialism never worked which have been proven well. Competition is the key to productivity improvement. Having said the above we must recognize that not all poor will refrain from working hard and not all rich will work hard to add to the inheritence they got. I have lived in Jharkhand and have seen the poor tribals who struggle to get even two meals a day. Most of them are hardworking poople who don't have work for even 15 days in a month. They are the one who are lured by the nexalites and nexalite movement is growing. I would definitely like to see that nobody sleeps hungry in my country but on the other hand everybody should be able to earn it and doesn't anything free.
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karn
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The same topic (welfare state) has been nicely put in the documentary " Ascent of money" by Niall Ferguson
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subu76
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Posted: 21/Dec/2011 at 6:45pm |
Originally posted by rajnsharma
Tyasha, you have summerized the feelings at teddies very well by an example. Anything you get without hard work, you will not recognize the value. Also the so called socialism never worked which have been proven well. Competition is the key to productivity improvement. Having said the above we must recognize that not all poor will refrain from working hard and not all rich will work hard to add to the inheritence they got. I have lived in Jharkhand and have seen the poor tribals who struggle to get even two meals a day. Most of them are hardworking poople who don't have work for even 15 days in a month. They are the one who are lured by the nexalites and nexalite movement is growing. I would definitely like to see that nobody sleeps hungry in my country but on the other hand everybody should be able to earn it and doesn't anything free. |
I guess society needs a balance at all the time. The question is will they be benefitted by the new measures?
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rajnsharma
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Posted: 21/Dec/2011 at 8:05pm |
Originally posted by subu76
Originally posted by rajnsharma
Tyasha, you have summerized the feelings at teddies very well by an example. Anything you get without hard work, you will not recognize the value. Also the so called socialism never worked which have been proven well. Competition is the key to productivity improvement. Having said the above we must recognize that not all poor will refrain from working hard and not all rich will work hard to add to the inheritence they got. I have lived in Jharkhand and have seen the poor tribals who struggle to get even two meals a day. Most of them are hardworking poople who don't have work for even 15 days in a month. They are the one who are lured by the nexalites and nexalite movement is growing. I would definitely like to see that nobody sleeps hungry in my country but on the other hand everybody should be able to earn it and doesn't anything free. |
I guess society needs a balance at all the time. The question is will they be benefitted by the new measures? |
Totally agree. The concern should be how two meals reach the poorest of poor and not result into a loot as normal PDS has shown. US hand Europe had capitalism but in a way they were trying to be socialist. On one hand they have provided everybody loans to get into debt to the hilt and buy everything which so many of them couldn't afford. Also the unemployment benefits have put a large population unwilling to work. I have personally spoken to few people in London last year who are not even willing to come back to job market as long as possible as they feel the money they get is sufficient to run their live. In a nutshell we need a balance as you said.
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LearningToFly
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Nobody is opposing the move to make society equal in terms of opportunities but doling out food will not solve poverty problem. The problem will be solved by building storage, better infra to transport food, and stopping the wastage (about 30%-40%).
The Government of India chose the easiest way to distribute food because building infra requires guts and will which they do not have.
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tyasha
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Posted: 21/Dec/2011 at 8:34am |
I am reminded of the famous Chinese quote by Lao Tzu, the founder of Taoism : "Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, give him a fishing rod and teach him how to fish.. you feed him for a lifetime" This is what is required. Of course, the poor guy new nothing @ vote bank politics 
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nannu_68
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Posted: 21/Dec/2011 at 9:33am |
Ideal government would be which creates enough jobs aka opportunities for poor to work hard and rise higher in life. facilitate 'them to achieve their aspirations'. NREGA in spirit did that. Implementation is an entirely different matter!! 
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