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    Posted: 20/Apr/2010 at 4:39pm
Talwalkaars was doing ok in my town, and then Gold's gym opened, and even people who had paid advances, are now gold's gym members..
As for me, i just have my own equipment, with equipment becoming cheaper and more easily available, many people prefer to get the gadgets and weights home..
things are changing real quick, and just because a concept seems to work in other countries, for example like in the US, it is not necessary that it will work here.
 
In the US, people earn to enjoy, in india, people earn to save and save and save, although with the new generation, saving is a bit of a lesser issue, but all the same, genes of indians are a bit diff from genes of white people and that must be kept in mind.
 
 
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Quote nav_1996 Replybullet Posted: 20/Apr/2010 at 8:23pm
Gym is commodity with low entry barrier. Also, there are local gyms in each locality which has its loyal fans. Marico is pulling out of Kaya Life.

Difficult to make money here.
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Quote TCSer Replybullet Posted: 20/Apr/2010 at 8:39pm
Please dont forget that one of the most savviest but low profile indian investors prof mankekar of bajaj institute who bought pantaloon at 16 n financial technologies at 60 rs n exited after earning multi multi baggers is one of the confident investors in Talwalkars.

there are other real savvy investors as well.
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Quote nav_1996 Replybullet Posted: 20/Apr/2010 at 8:47pm
Ok. I did not know that. It was just my humble opinion about the gym business.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 20/Apr/2010 at 8:54pm
Prof Mankekar's cost is around Rs 5 or less then that and so is Prashant Desai's (the head of IR at PRIL) cost these guys have creamed out the milk and diluted it with water. Also Mankekar is known for his PRIl but he has had several misses with that he bought Tv 18 at the peak, Asian Electronics, Rishi Lazer, Zee News, Future Capital all these stocks went almost nowhere or actually declined in value.

This is one of most bizarre instances of public offering where private investors get to make 25 to 30 times in 3 years and then retail investors are offered a share in the pie!

Irrespective of how Talwalkar does I am not one bit interested to be made a sucker and hence I will skip this one. Sometime it is about management integrity and democratization of shareholder rights and when that comes under question everything else is a blind spot for me.




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Quote Bhupan Replybullet Posted: 20/Apr/2010 at 9:29pm
Read a few articles here and there and does not look like a super opportunity to me . I mean 10% margins does not command price range quoted in there .

I mean profits and eps are weak indicators going by the size of the enterprise .  I guess the major advantage it would take would be the first fitness chain to be listed like domino's pizza company .



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Quote TCSer Replybullet Posted: 20/Apr/2010 at 10:37pm
VERY WELL SAID BASANTJI. BUT I will closely watch the subscription figures.if there is good QIB N HNI response  I will apply otherwise not.
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Prof Mankekar's cost is around Rs 5 or less then that and so is Prashant Desai's (the head of IR at PRIL) cost these guys have creamed out the milk and diluted it with water. Also Mankekar is known for his PRIl but he has had several misses with that he bought Tv 18 at the peak, Asian Electronics, Rishi Lazer, Zee News, Future Capital all these stocks went almost nowhere or actually declined in value.

This is one of most bizarre instances of public offering where private investors get to make 25 to 30 times in 3 years and then retail investors are offered a share in the pie!

Irrespective of how Talwalkar does I am not one bit interested to be made a sucker and hence I will skip this one. Sometime it is about management integrity and democratization of shareholder rights and when that comes under question everything else is a blind spot for me.




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Quote hit2710 Replybullet Posted: 20/Apr/2010 at 11:27pm
Originally posted by nav_1996

Gym is commodity with low entry barrier. Also, there are local gyms in each locality which has its loyal fans. Marico is pulling out of Kaya Life.


Yes gym has now become a commodity business. Today I discussed Talwalkar's services with a friend who recently left Talwalkar subscription and found a totally different reason for his quitting. He says that Talwalkar's has started giving life and couple life membership at very cheap rates to compete against the local competition and hence this has given rise to poor quality people coming to the once classy Talwalkar's gym and hence the savvy and choosy people are leaving Talwalkar's to go for other higher grade establishments.

I think this cheap life memberships are being offered to shore up revenues prior to and immediately following IPO so that the figures look "nice" and there is a good subscription and good follow up "action" on the stock.
Stockmarket is a weird place. For every person who buys a stock there is a person who sells it and both think they are very smart.
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