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Quote kaushalchawla Replybullet Topic: Prithvi- Rs 4 lacs to Rs 300 crs in 8 yrs
    Posted: 02/Sep/2006 at 1:40pm
Hello Folks,
Please give your views on Prithvi Information Solutions. Is it a value cum growth buy at this point.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 02/Sep/2006 at 3:29pm

I would agree. Stock appears growth with value.

 

                Prithvii Information  - 4 lacs to Rs 300 crores in 8 years

 

Prithvii Information (CMP Rs 327) does appear value with growth. They have grown really big over the last 8 years. In 1999 they started with 25 people, did a turnover of Rs 4 lacs and should do about Rs 450 crores in the current year.

 

Company is into enterprise application software and has diversified into e-governance, radio frequency engineering and optimization works for the telecom industry, business intelligence, data warehousing, data mining etc..

 

The company is run by a lady entrepreneur “Madhavi VuppalapatiInterestingly the top management of the company are all technocrats Ms Madhavi is a Carnegie Mellon graduate and her brother V Satish Kumar is an IIT Alumni.

 

Prithvii Information employs 700 professionals and this number should go up as well. The company covers the BFSI, manufacturing retail and pharmaceutical areas. The company wants to enter the process outsourcing and strategic consulting arenas In addition to this they intend to provide end-to-end solutions in various segments.

 

C.M.P

Rs 328

Market Capitalization

Rs 592.39 crores

Sales Fy 06

Rs 310 crores

Net Profit FY 06

Rs 28.68 crores

Sales FY )7 Q!

Rs 139.82 crores

Net profit FY 07 Q1

Rs 18.48 crores

EPS FY 07 Q1 (Not annualized)

Rs 10.22

 

The financials look phenomena stock trades at less then 8 times current year earnings (first quarter EPS annualized). I do not understand small software companies but the kind of vision I was able to read at the company’s website and the scorching pace at which this company has grown over the last 7 years makes me believe that this company should very well and remains a value cum growth buy..

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Quote sajanvm Replybullet Posted: 02/Sep/2006 at 5:58pm
I agree that on face value, the company looks v cheap. But, we need to investigate a little deeper. Have you seen their operating margins ? Ever wondered why they are abysmal compared to their peers ?
 
The answer lies in their onsite offshore mix, which if I remember right is something like 90:10. (Normal services companies would hve a mix like 40:60). This leads me to believe that they are mainly a body shopping organization which places people at client sites . Onsite margins are extremely low compared to offshore and hence their overall margin picture.
 
Now, the same situation can also be interpreted as an opportunity - ie if they can succeed in transorming their client accounts to an offshore model, their margins could go up substantially. However, having worked in the IT industry for many years, I think its a very big challenge.
 
So, should you bet on it ? My personal take is that when you have an NIIT Tech which is at 10 times earnings or a 3I Infotech which has a strong products business and is also at 10-12 times earnings, you don't need to punt on a Prithvi being able to transform its basic business model.
 
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 02/Sep/2006 at 7:21pm

Thanks for your input.You know I have always felt that except for the big boys Infy, Wipro, Satyam TCS and HCl tech nothing has evolved over the long term. There was a lot of chatter about geometric, Infotech,Polaris but they werre just not able to reach the desired scale. 

So therefore it becomes very difficult to analyse small software companies from the busines point of view. That is why I gave that caveat that I do not understand the smaller technology company in detail.
 
Prithivi is trying to ramp up its offshoring capacity at hyderabad and that could increase the margins but In IT I would listen to you more then any one else since you have been a part of India's technology symbol (Infy) for so many years.
 
Thank you again for pinting that out.
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Quote sajanvm Replybullet Posted: 02/Sep/2006 at 8:41am
The conventional wisdom says that for pure services plays, scale is most important. We need to see if mid caps such as NIIT Tech can grow. My own theory is that the biggies will progressively become interested in servicing only ultra large clients/contracts, leaving some space for the mid caps.
However, companies such as 3I and Nucleus who are focussed on the enterprise products business are extremely promising. The potential margin upside when AMC's get to a certain level can be a kicker. And hey, don't forget the valuations that Oracle is willing to pay to get its hands on an I-Flex. That story may get repeated.
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Quote nav_1996 Replybullet Posted: 09/Sep/2006 at 5:47pm
Sajan/Basant,

How do you compare 3i and Nucleus management. Though they have comparable valuations, I seem to prefer 3i because of their icici leneage. Also, 3i product revenue hasw grown faster than their services revenue.

How about niche players like Geometric and tata elxsi.



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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 09/Sep/2006 at 6:18pm

Hi,

I am weak at identifying tech companies as I do not undetand their businees model but I would go with you on 3i and rate it higher then Nucleus.Tata Elixsi is doing some very interetsing annimation work but that is getting diluted from their software revenues. Annimation has a huge future with all the potential work from Hollywood etc
 
You are from the tech industry how would you arte tata elixsi?
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Quote nav_1996 Replybullet Posted: 09/Sep/2006 at 12:04pm
Basant,

I was able to pick up some Tata Elxsi at 150 so it provided margin of safety, good div yield, Tata Brand and interesting areas like animation & product design. Also % of low margin business(System Integration) has gone down. So overall I like the company but I am not very comfortable about it at current prices (230).

Also I don't see this becoming a typical multi-bagger as Tata Group is too big to focus on some thing like Tata Elxsi.

But may be 15%-20% compounder for a couple of years.








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