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Vivek Sukhani
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 Posted: 16/Sep/2006 at 11:53am |
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/iw/2006/09/17/stories/2006091702041300.htm
Kindly read this post, and it contains some valuable points about the sins we committ.....
Actually, the boundary line between stubborness and conviction is very thin. To be very candid, I have made money by being extremely arrogant like collecting GE Shipping when everybody were selling them, right now I am collecting BASFand ONGC and Ultramarine and Pigments, along with Porritts and Spencer Asia when no body will even touch them...And I have found that people who have no gurus, but develop their own style, come up with masterstrokes more often than not....
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Ajith
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 Posted: 17/Sep/2006 at 3:32pm |
I must admit that this is my natural style as well though I have drifted from this on occasions .Conventional growth-style investing and guru-following has its pitfalls.
I have been trying to get some information on the BPO operations of Ultramarine but I was unsuccessful.Can you help me?Is it profitable?scaleable? Unable to access the website Lapiz Digital.
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PKB2000
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 Posted: 17/Sep/2006 at 4:25pm |
We have understood the activities of Mungerilalas well.
I think really good articles and it seems the authors are in the midst of experienced group of Mungerilals. but I have read a beutiful article long ago about these Mungerilals as written by one Mr. Mark Kramer.
I wish to paste the whole here with the hope that the Mungerilals will get some way to come out from their situation especially from the last few paragraphs.
Well one unknown Mark Kramer (!) may be well accepted by all unknown people of this Forum by the common people and will try to be reluctant of behaving like a Mungerilal. That may be good help to them who wants to come out. I think it is very difficult to say a new things in this world
Let me cut copy and paste
How to know one’s Tolerance for Investment Risk Before Designing an Investing Program
By Mark Kramer
What is risk tolerance and how does it influence your investment decisions? Understanding what you can and cannot emotionally tolerate losing will help you make better investment decisions and ultimately gain higher returns.
What is risk tolerance? It's your ability to deal with investment losses … usually in the short-run … to have the chance of earning higher long-term returns than you would get in a bank account.
On the one hand it's about how much you can afford to lose. On the other hand, it's also about how much money you can emotionally tolerate losing.
It's extremely important to your success as a long-term investor to know your tolerance for risk. It's a key part of designing an investment program that is appropriate for you and for picking individual investments.
What You Can Afford to Lose: An examination of your individual circumstances is required to figure out how much of your nest egg you can afford to lose in the short-run on investments that promise to deliver attractive growth in the long-term. But there are some general guidelines:
Generally speaking, the more yearsØ you have until retirement, the higher your risk tolerance should be.
Conversely, the more likely you are to tap into your nest egg early, the lower your risk tolerance should be.
The Emotional Aspect of Dealing with Risk: Studies of investor behavior show that emotions are a significant contributor to poor, long-term investment performance. Investors tend to get stuck on an emotional roller coaster that leads to poor investment decisions. Here is what the roller coaster ride often looks like:
Investors get excited about investments that have already gone up and buy near the peak in value. When prices drop, investors find it emotionally difficult to accept and will rationalize holding on until prices improve. Then the bottom drops out and investors sell near the bottom, no longer able to cope with the anguish. Emotionally battered, they find it difficult to reinvest near the bottom and end up missing the next move up … only to reinvest later on after values have risen above where they had sold (buy high … sell low?) Then values peak once again, prices drop and the cycle continues.
Sound like anyone you know? This is why sticking with a disciplined investment plan is so important to successful investing. Overcoming your natural emotional reactions driven by fear and greed is the key. But that is hard to do.
It becomes harder the more riskØ you accept in your investment plan.
What Percentage of Your Nest Egg Can You Lose? Before designing an investment plan, it is helpful to think about your risk tolerance in terms of a percentage. For example, you might say "I am willing to see my portfolio decline as much as 12% for a period of time if it gives me the opportunity to realize better growth over the long-term compared with leaving the money in a risk-free bank account or CD."
Perhaps youØ could tolerate losing as much as 30% of your nest egg temporarily investing in something you thought could earn you a long-term growth rate as high as 10% to 15% per year.
Build a Disciplined Plan Around Your Risk Tolerance: No matter whether you're a big gambler or a scared chicken, knowing your risk tolerance expressed as a percentage should make it easier for you and/or a financial professional to design an investment program that isn't likely to push your emotional hot buttons.
If the inevitable volatility of yourØ investments remains within your emotional limits, you will be miles ahead in the long run simply from having been able to stick with a disciplined strategy.
You and/or a financial advisor can compare your percentage risk tolerance to the historical volatility (annual standard deviation) of different types of investments and design portfolio allocations that will more likely meet your long term investment objectives while staying within your risk limits.
Calibrate a Mechanical Investment Strategy to Your Risk Limits: With the use of computers and mathematically-based investment strategies, it is now possible to calibrate a mechanical investment strategy to your maximum risk tolerance.
How to know one’s Tolerance for Investment Risk Before Designing an Investing Program
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kulman
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 Posted: 17/Sep/2006 at 4:27pm |
Vivek jee
Very nice link...to the Seven Deadly Sins.
This truly reaffirms that "SHARE BAZAAR, BHAAV AUR BHAVANAON KAA KHEL HAIN!"
Thanks for the link again, I'm going to invest in such books.
Edited by kulman - 17/Sep/2006 at 4:28pm
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monu_duggad
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 Posted: 17/Sep/2006 at 6:24pm |
Basantjee
I have a suggestion.Why dont you tell us a bit more about Harshad Mehta and Ketan Parikh scam.I dont know how many of the forum members are aware of "what exactly they did "...broadly we know they did something unethical and made loads of money.....
May be you can write a post on the scams,what they did,how they were caught etc etc...am sure with your special effects it will be interesting read...
Please do it whenever you are free/may be on weekend.
May be other knowledgable forum members (mr sukhani,bubble,kulman,reetesh) can pitch in as well...
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basant
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 Posted: 17/Sep/2006 at 6:38pm |
Good idea shall make a section scams where all members can pitch in with their views..
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It would be interesting to find out why Jesse Livermore committed suicide?
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There is a dividing line between what you preach and what you actually do.I like to see what he preached rather then what he did coz in that case Samir ARora was also rumoured to be chummy with operators and companies. 
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BubbleVision
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Sorry sandeep i am spoiling your portfolio page and BasantJi please transfer this to whereever this is relevent.
It would be interesting to find out why Jesse Livermore committed suicide?
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Kulman... He knew it all expecpt one thing.. Risk Management. He went broke several times and he had to courage to fight back and make what he had lost earlier. He had the guts and the courage to do that, but he did not knew how to keep his earnings.
That is why it is said.. Reaching peak is the easy part. Mantaining at that level is the difficult act. Look at sachin...
It is said that the Roots of a tree are the main thing, but the top of the tree (weekest and new leaves) have to suffer from the strongest wind in order to survive.
He committed suicide bcoz he went broke once more (7th time if i am correct) in 1940 after being the richest man in US between 1929-1932 at his peak.
Ed Seykota said a very very interesting thing on livermore, which i am not getting immidiately... I will post it as soon as i find that out. I have read it.
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