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Quote Mohan Replybullet Posted: 08/Sep/2009 at 10:50pm
Indicates falling sales/ margins and rising competition.
Cutting dividend means management in defensive mode.
Be fearful when others are greedy and be greedy when others are fearful.
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Quote prashantmohta Replybullet Posted: 08/Sep/2009 at 11:00pm
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please check marico few years back.
is there was cut for kaaya plans.
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Quote Mohan Replybullet Posted: 08/Sep/2009 at 11:23pm
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Indicates falling sales/ margins and rising competition.
Cutting dividend means management in defensive mode.
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please check marico few years back.
is there was cut for kaaya plans.


Yes, Sir.
Thank You. Are you still looking at Marico ?
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Quote prashantmohta Replybullet Posted: 09/Sep/2009 at 12:42pm
no boss i missed entire fmcg rally.
actually i am doing excercise of the companies with high roe-pay out.
recently i bought shree cement.
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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 09/Sep/2009 at 12:47pm
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Indicates falling sales/ margins and rising competition.
Cutting dividend means management in defensive mode.
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please check marico few years back.
is there was cut for kaaya plans.


Sometime ago, Foseco also cut payout on grounds of capex.
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 09/Sep/2009 at 7:36pm
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Indicates falling sales/ margins and rising competition.
Cutting dividend means management in defensive mode.
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please check marico few years back.
is there was cut for kaaya plans.


Sometime ago, Foseco also cut payout on grounds of capex.
 
Foseco has had a management change. So, we have to understand whats the dividend policy of Cookson plc vis-a-vis Foseco plc. If going by what vesuvius india does as far as dividends are concerned, I think Cookson is quite a conservative dividend distributor.Also, foseco always had a clearly laid down dividend policy. But then even though that kind of a policy would make the dividend payment erratic, yet for the organisation and hence for the shareholders, thats a very perfect approach.
 
Problem is, in the name of expansion and growth, most companies go hayware. Most managements dont attach due importance to retained earnings, and tend to be lavish spenders with that money, thereby jeopardising the shareholders' interest.  
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Quote venkat Replybullet Posted: 27/Oct/2009 at 9:48am
With 8000 Listed Companies on the BSE and the NSE it becomes a drudge to select cos which are good investments for the future.
How to seperate the wheat from the chaff? How to identify the winners from the losers? How to know your money is safe? How to know your children will grow up with a roof over their heads and food in their stomach? How to ensure your loved ones are provided for when you are gone? How to avoid consulting expensive astrologers who will make you a pauper in no time? How to put India to work? How to ensure jobs go to people instead of people going to jobs? How to ensure that God blesses India one day? That no superpower is surounded by sea on three sides (a Peninsula) and India may not become one Cry. How to overcome Draupadi's curse that India will be ruled by malecchas or Rakshasas and is doomed to poverty?Angry
 
One does not have the answers for those.
A survey points to the fact that 1% of the companies in the US employ more than 500 or more workers. In other words only 80 companies in India will achieve greatness of compounding Big%20smile. While the other companies will merely cater to a segment or a niche where growth is not possible. Another survey said 20% of the workforce is employed in companies with less than 20 workers.
 
The job becomes easier where we shall pinpoint a sector and a company or (ies) which will compound. Further posts are requested from blokes in the days to come!Sleepy


Edited by venkat - 28/Oct/2009 at 12:29pm
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Quote venkat Replybullet Posted: 27/Oct/2009 at 11:43am

Wipro and TCS are the cos in the ICT sector. Infosys has a policy of depositing cash in a bank, not investing in the share market,etc. Surely if cash flows cannot be invested to yield returns over the benchmark bank rate, surely the company would be well placed to paying the cash to shareholders as dividends.

The pulls and pressures of capitalism are such that companies are prone to buying turnover rather than profits, looking at EBITDA rather than cash flows, Looking at market share rather than segment. Companies which are faced with a small market would rather expand in new areas rather than sticking to their knitting.  Top level Executives flair for growing a company big is borne out through fatter pay cheques rather than making companies better in what they do. In other words an effective capital allocation in a capitalist economy is far better than a bulk of the companies running their operations like mom and pop stores with no returns. Ten million investors would be far better than a million traders dabbling in shady cos with no prospects of growth.

 
A question put out is are companies better off sticking to their knitting or diversifying? A difficult question posed has no easy answer. In their quest for diversification, companies incur losses at the learning curve which can be expensive.GE’s under performance amplifies that companies would be better off growing organically.
 

Whether it is Tata Steels’ acquisition of Corus at 12 billion or Hindalco’s acquisition of Novelis at 6 billion or Tata Motor’s JLR for 2.3 billion these have been not so great. A survey placed 70% of the M&A’s fail to create shareholder value.

 
In the steel sector one has to go with JSW Steel or a part power play one has to go with Jindal Steel and Power. Reliance Power is another good investment on 2015 valuations. SAIL has been forced to sell steel in rural areas at cost and has maintained the same absolute profit over the last five years. NTPC could be a 2 bagger at these levels.

Infra and Capital goods companies are abundant in this area. LNT and Bhel have order books which are 3X of their revenues and are good bets. With irrigation projects in the South Lucrative contracts are being handed down to Lanco Infra and Gmr Infra.Gmr looks pricey.

Hero Honda with a 70% market share of the two wheeler market of 9 million vehicles can expand by 2 1/2 times. Tata Motors with a million Nanos being sold can see wafer thin margins being a rule in this segment. Maruti is a better bet.

RIL which straddles sectors like petrochem, oil refining, oil and gas exploration, retail and solar photovaltics is a good bet. Sterlite and Hindustan Zinc with MarketCaps being 3X and 4X of revenues is the height of absurdity in valuation being witnessed nowadays.

 



Edited by venkat - 29/Oct/2009 at 5:41pm
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