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Quote chic_1978 Replybullet Posted: 19/Oct/2006 at 6:30pm
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I think its gonna be "Warrants Phobia"
 
& trust me, moment some Mungerilal reads this article, there will be drastic demand tommorow for Trent warrants.
 
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Quote manishdave Replybullet Posted: 20/Oct/2006 at 6:08am
Isn't warrent like call option but for longer term?
 
Other advantage of having option is if for some reason stock price goes down(not that it will) your downside is capped.
 
Kulman is Warren Fan.
Basant is Warrant Fan.
 


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Quote BubbleVision Replybullet Posted: 21/Oct/2006 at 12:39pm

very well said Manish....

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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 21/Oct/2006 at 2:16pm
i will add something to what manish has said....
 
warrants are long term deep-in-the-money call options available at a price of just in the money call option...
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Quote manishdave Replybullet Posted: 21/Oct/2006 at 1:58am
Basant,
I agree with your basic idea that option of good companies give better return than stock itself.
I dont mean to say that warrents are bad for investor and only for speculators. It is basically long term leveraged position. 90% Options expire because strike price of most traded options is way above current price and they expire in 3-6 months so time decay is fast. There are also some options traded where strike price is below current price, but then option price is higher too so it is just like warrents.
 
I have also invested in warrants but no more as it is not practicle for me to do paperwork of exercising.
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Quote manishdave Replybullet Posted: 21/Oct/2006 at 2:54am
I would add one more point on warrents. I will use Trent as an example but it could be for any company's warrants. Dont treat current option price for allocation. Lets say you are willing to invest 5 lacs in Trent(or any company), don't put whole 5 lacs in warrants. Apply you risk management rules on full value. Otherwise at the time of conversion one may need to come out with lot of money and warrant being illiquid in nature could become difficult. For example in case of Trent one may need additional 10 lacs at the time of conversion.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 21/Oct/2006 at 9:17am
Originally posted by manishdave

Isn't warrent like call option but for longer term?
 
Other advantage of having option is if for some reason stock price goes down(not that it will) your downside is capped.
 
Kulman is Warren Fan.
Basant is Warrant Fan.
 
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Jim Rogers says that 90% of all call options expire worthless and they do because the probability of making money is dependent upon
a) the price of the option (that is decided by the writer)
b) There is very little time for any fundamental news to change the price of the stock.
 
In the case of warrants as I have discussed above
a) the warrant price is determined by the company so the company need not set the price too high (they would not squeeze shareholders)also it is not a zero sum game (our gains are not company losses). In the market most of the institutions do not spend time on warrants since it is highly illiquid leading to price anamolies. 
b) 3 years and more is enough time for a company to show its true worth.
 
I am not sure if someone has done a study but over a period of time 90% of warrants would be profitable otherwise the original shareholder does not lose (warrants are generally issued free with shares) and the company loses (when no one opts for conversion).
 
I made decent money buying TV 18 warrants a couple of years back. The warrants were free with the rights and I bought significant Rights form from the market and sold off the shares on listing SO the warrants were free. They were later converted last year at Rs 234 per share. 
 


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Quote ashwin.adsouza Replybullet Posted: 22/Oct/2006 at 5:34pm
Wow. This is an interesting segment of the market that u have introduced to us, Basant. I think many of us would not be knowing abt this traded segment and the scrips/stock series that might be trading in this.
 
Can other Forum members post details of other stocks/stock series that r traded like this? This will be really helpful.
 
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