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Quote FutureBull Replybullet Posted: 25/Sep/2013 at 10:21pm
They have quite a bit of bank guarantee which should come back to haunt them. On a closer look NSEL seems to be operating a ponzi scheme for 2-3 yrs.

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Hi Guys...any idea how the NSEL fiasco will affect Financial Technologies? I understand NSEL is 99.9% owned by FT, but does that mean that FT is liable for all the losses at NSEL and has to eventually pay up? Or is the liability limited to the paid-up capital of NSEL?
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 25/Sep/2013 at 2:28am
NSEL was an organized Ponzi scheme...hard to believe that an exchange can end up like this
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Quote Crimsonarcher Replybullet Posted: 25/Sep/2013 at 10:43am
But what I was talking about is the liability of FT to NSEL? Can creditors come for the assets of FT or their last recourse is only to the assets of NSEL?
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Quote rajnsharma Replybullet Posted: 25/Sep/2013 at 10:47am
Originally posted by Crimsonarcher

But what I was talking about is the liability of FT to NSEL? Can creditors come for the assets of FT or their last recourse is only to the assets of NSEL?


Why to touch a company with the same promoter. If they have done great at NSEL then what is the guarantee that it won't be repeated.
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Quote Crimsonarcher Replybullet Posted: 26/Sep/2013 at 10:32am
Yeah the risk is always there...i just wanted to improve my understanding of how corp orates are structured...in this case information is very scarcely available...i thought the senior members might have more info and can help out!
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Quote manishdave Replybullet Posted: 26/Sep/2013 at 10:55am
FT 160 put trades at 20% premium. FT has goodset of products. NSEL profit will vanish but still nice highly profitable business stays with sticky customers. And investment in exchanges which is highly valuable.

Even if investors ask court to recover money from FT(NSEL in my understanding is limited liability) it will be long battle. If you write put option and stock goes down 15% in a month, you still make 5%. Lets assume it goes 30% down, next month you make another 20% by writing options.

In emergency, they can sell MCX and so many players are looking to buy MCX.

So it is highly volatile and not possible to get moves and it opens in gap on news. But at the same time, it doesn't and won't move one way like Gitanjali. And it certainly won't go to zero.
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Quote Crimsonarcher Replybullet Posted: 08/Jan/2014 at 4:48pm
Anybody bot FT in the crash? I did with my avg price at 150 odd and luckily it has almost doubled...any idea on the next target price and is it a good buy still? What are the implications of NSEL on FT now?
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Quote manishdave Replybullet Posted: 08/Jan/2014 at 5:57pm
I had sold puts in FT for 3 months and then it got out of FO and had purchased MCX. MCX was sold when doubled as there were other opportunities too.

In MCX at that price there was only uncertainly. No risk. FT has more uncertainty and some risk.
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