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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 26/May/2012 at 2:52am
Prem Watsa made a similar bet on RIM. He first bought a lot of shares at $50 in 2010. There after he averaged again at $19.

The stock price is now at $11.

Unless the business turns around (and we will all know when it does) the company will see worse days. The price may however jump around given that this is one of the most shorted stocks around.
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Quote samirarora Replybullet Posted: 27/May/2012 at 9:31am

yes..true..RIM is in a bad shape...but can one stock (company) really be compared to another even if in same segment....also, nokia has reached valuations where the next worse thing is bankruptcy...So the call is whether nokia is going under or not.

While searching on the net, i came across sony...another MEGA company, going through bad times...i read that its at the lowest level price wise since 1992 !!!!
 
Sony and nokia are both as bluechip as any bluechip going through a bad time and it seems, its not easy to be greedy when others are fearful after all.
 
No wonder most do NOT make money... ha ha !!!
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 27/May/2012 at 10:08am
The stock is down 20% since the thread started less than a month back.

Perhaps it's a bargain now.

Nobody makes money without analyzing future business potential
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 27/May/2012 at 11:00am
I take back my point which is useless as it's focuses on the price only which can move up and down 20% for any number of reasons.
 
Samir, actually both of us are in sync. The only diff is
1. You think it's a given that Nokia business will bounce back. Hence given the bargain prices it's best to invest now.
2. For me it's a May be as I am not sure. I'd invest once i see the business has actually bounced back which means buying much higher
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Quote samirarora Replybullet Posted: 28/May/2012 at 10:23am

Good Morning,

When things are bad, its easy to be over pessimistic just like how one gets over optimistic when the noises are good. This is going on and on in the market and the very reason why most investors lose out in the long run.
 
While i am not expert and cannot predict the future and for all you know , Nokia may really go bankrupt, but that is not really the point here as what i was trying to get at is why people will avoid even the bluest of blue chips when things are not going correctly for it bringing us to think that if we will not buy now..then when? We all also believe that trying to time the market is futile in most cases.
 
your two points...
 
1. I dont think its a given that nokia will bounce back to get its no.1 in the world position, but i do think it will remain in the top 3 in the world and most probably no.2.
 
2. It makes sense to buy when noises are better, even if one gets stocks a bit more expensive....but would one try and time even if its mega blue chips available at multi DECADE lows... for example..Sony as at a market cap of 13 billion approx. at this time.
 
I remember i was in boarding school in 80s and i read on readers digest that time that sony had bought columbia records for 1 billion dollars and this is the 80s...So sony was buying billion dollar companies in 80s and now its itself at just 13 billion.
 
just many things to ponder about !!
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 29/May/2012 at 2:46pm
Originally posted by samirarora

 
1. I dont think its a given that nokia will bounce back to get its no.1 in the world position, but i do think it will remain in the top 3 in the world and most probably no.2.
 
 
Hi Samir, thanks for your response and for starting this interesting thread.
 
Given the thought above, I think your idea that an investor should buy now makes sense. If one has conviction that the business will bounce back and not relegated for sure one definitely should buy at pesimissm points.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 29/May/2012 at 2:56pm
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If one has conviction that the business will bounce back and not relegated for sure one definitely should buy at pesimissm points.


Only if you have nothing else to back as an opportunity cost or else its always better to buy after the company shows you the first signs of revival key question to ask is which phone would you buy given an option and unless you can stick to the company you want to buy the stock of, never bet on the stock!

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Quote nazgul Replybullet Posted: 29/May/2012 at 3:21pm
very true BasantJi. Its one of the best yardsticks to measure the company and your money mouth. AT present i don't think Nokia offers any tempting phone buys compared to others but 1-2 years down the line i think something may come up. Nokia seems to be too much dependent on Windows mobile platform for smartphones. With microsoft itself under rut with the future and technical progress of Windows is concerned, i think Nokia should extend its had to add a few Android driven phone as well.
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