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Quote kumardiwesh Replybullet Posted: 18/Jan/2009 at 11:28pm
I don't think at 18-19 TTM EPS, markets are discounting the best for HDFC bank.
It deserves a higher multiple if 30-40% profit growth is the expectation.
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Quote kumardiwesh Replybullet Posted: 18/Jan/2009 at 12:09pm
HDFC Bank
Reco price: Rs 976
Current market price: Rs 936.60
Target price: Rs 1,102
Upside: 17.7%
Brokerage: India Infoline


Even with a decline in loan-deposit ratio by over 800 basis points (bps; 100 bps is equal to one percentage point) q-o-q in Q3 FY09 and CASA ratio reducing by over 400 bps q-o-q, HDFC Bank’s net interest margins increased to 4.3 per cent (from 4.2 per cent in Q2). Loans grew 38 per cent y-o-y, but declined by 3.4 per cent q-o-q. This seems to be a prudent step to de-risk the balance-sheet with an expected full year loan growth of 59 per cent y-o-y. Cost-to-income ratio (CIR) declined to 50 per cent in Q3 FY09 as compared to 55 per cent in Q2. The CIR reached its pre-merger level, indicating that there was no significant cost overrun due to the merger.

The gross non-performing loan ratio stood at 1.9 per cent in Q3 (1.6 per cent in Q2). Retail NPLs are likely to peak over the next 1-2 quarters, as interest rates have started to ease. HDFC Bank’s net profits grew by 45 per cent y-o-y and adjusted for CBOP merger, the net profits grew by 30 per cent. EPS growth is expected to be higher at 29 per cent CAGR over FY09-11, since dilution due to conversion of HDFC’s warrants may not happen. The stock is trading at 2.5x FY10E BV. Maintain Add.
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Quote Shikari_Shambu Replybullet Posted: 18/Jan/2009 at 12:34pm
"I don't think at 18-19 TTM EPS, markets are discounting the best for HDFC bank.
It deserves a higher multiple if 30-40% profit growth is the expectation."

Diweshjee...that way its not just HDFC Bank that is trading at lower multiple. You will find hundreds of stocks that are trading at even more ridiculous levels. It is all relative.

If we assume that market will give HDFC Bank a better multiple ( say 30 times TTM EPS), then it means market has turned bullish. In that case, the rewards from other stocks will be higher. Meanwhile, underperformance will be punished more in HDFC Bank than other stocks is all I wanted to say.
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Quote kumardiwesh Replybullet Posted: 18/Jan/2009 at 12:41pm
That's what we're talking about.
How sure are you of the performance?
There are quite a few small caps which will give multibagger returns in the next bull run.
But what is the probability of one particular stock giving such returns?
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Quote Shikari_Shambu Replybullet Posted: 18/Jan/2009 at 1:26am
"How sure are you of the performance?"

Let me take this question to my HDFC Bank and Kotak example. I mentioned as below :-

"If Kotak grows at 20 %, it will be more rewarded than HDFC Bank if it grows at 30%"

So, my answer is - I am as sure that Kotak will grow at 20% as HDFC Bank growing at 30% (say over 2 yr perspective) . The thing is, if I am right in both cases, my returns are similar ( assuming that market will give PE of 20 and 30 to Kotak and HDFC Bank respectively). Thats the reward part. Now the risk part. What is the probability that HDFC Bank will do below 30% compared to below 20% by Kotak? To each his own but risk is higher in HDFC Bank IMO.

1) Please note that I have taken Kotak as only an example. I have little idea about NPA,etc of this Bank
2) It must be noted that I have been extremely conservative i.e assumed only 20% growth in Kotak and PE after 2 yrs as 20. Kotak has grown and traded at much higher levels in the past.
3) As I mentioned earlier, my wife (whose stocks I consider as my own Big%20smile ) holds a very good number of shares in HDFC Bank and we have been rewarded well by this stock. I am only talking from current prices perspective where risk-reward is in favor of some other stocks.

Anyway, I think people might be getting the impression that I am against HDFC Bank per se which is not the case( every stock is good at a price ). I have made most points that I wanted to make so will refrain from commenting on this aspect again.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 18/Jan/2009 at 7:51am

In these markets a bird in hand is better then four in the bush!!!

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Quote HallaBol Replybullet Posted: 18/Jan/2009 at 7:51am

Even I completely agree that from current market price Kotak will give better returns than HDFC bank whenever the market recovers. In the last bear market to bull market also, Kotak has (even after the fall) significantly outperformed HDFC bank.

Kotak is best buy around 250/- levels if available. I feel it will be available given that their results will not be great.

Your returns from a stock will depend on at what price you enter the stock.

PS: I hold both Kotak and HDFC bank


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Quote vijayM Replybullet Posted: 18/Jan/2009 at 11:23am

1]How one can compare HDFC Bank returns over Bond yield?

Mar09 eps=57   Max Price=57/0.055 = 1036

Mar10 eps=75   Max Price = 75/0.055 = 1363

Mar11 eps = 97.5  Max Price = 97.5/0.055 = 1772

Mar12 eps = 127 max price = 127/0.055 = 2304
 
assuming bond yield of 5.5% (constant)
 
2]Assuming rerating of stock with 30 PE, Mar12 price target = 30*127=3810.
 
From above two analysis I expect it to quote at Min 2300 to Max 3800 during 2011 - 2012 financial year.
 
Suggestions/comments welcome on above analysis.
 
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