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Quote patra04 Replybullet Posted: 03/Feb/2012 at 6:50pm
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PI actually went down while the broader market is up about 15% this year. There is hardly any volume in the counter (I dont know if that is a good thing or bad. Wishful thinking tells me the stock is in good stable hands ;-)) I have decided to give it a year before calling it quits.
 
Agree with you on Mayur, I have a decent position, should have increased my exposure when it went down a bit couple of months ago.
 
Regarding eClerx, are you eyeing this as a pure technical play or also a fundamental story? I have been thinking of opening a position based on the fundamentals.
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Quote hit2710 Replybullet Posted: 03/Feb/2012 at 7:29pm
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Regarding eClerx, are you eyeing this as a pure technical play or also a fundamental story? I have been thinking of opening a position based on the fundamentals.


I think most of the juice is out of Eclerx-- I think it went up four times after Manish Okhade put it up.Great pick by him. I am playing it only for a technical bounce.

I think it could do eps of around 55-60 for fy 12 and dividend payout being high, dividend may be around 28-30 per share which should provide some protection. Business wise the top 5 clients account for a lot of business. Agreed they got over that hiccup once when I think lehman collapsed, but I dont want to be betting too much on a company deriving almost 80% of its revenues from top 5 clients no matter who they are. Margins wise I dont see too much upside occuring here as I think they seemed to have used up most of the operating levers. Plus the valuations accorded to top tier software companies to the tune of around 20-22 PE would limit the valuations given to eclerx unless they take a rabbit out of the hat in terms of growth.
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Quote vasantcool Replybullet Posted: 03/Feb/2012 at 7:59pm
Hitesh,

Just want to appreciate that I have rarely seen such concise and apt analysis.

Keep it up. :)

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Quote manish_okhade Replybullet Posted: 03/Feb/2012 at 8:19am
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Bought some Page inds with a view to add more in a staggered manner.

In a visit to their jockey store I was quite impressed with the newer (or may be i have not seen them too closely before) tracks, socks etc.

I think this is one stock which could some day become a large cap looking at its offerings and market potential.

I see a lot of patients with "andar ki baat" and surprised to see so many jockey labels even in so called non affording class of people. 
 
PAGE is valued at 2.9K today. Now you are mentioning above that it could become a large cap or say someting like 20-25K+ MCAP? It looks astonishing for me. If PAGE has the potential to reach in large cap league then soon it will attract the competition and i guess Relaince will become serious to roll out large format chaddi store to eat the pie Smile. They may say that buy one Chaddi and get one socks free in their inaugaral offer.
 
Well jokes aside, Can you pl elaborate how come a Chaddi player grow the MCAP to such a high level? Any fundamental analysis will help.


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Quote hit2710 Replybullet Posted: 03/Feb/2012 at 9:18am
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Well jokes aside, Can you pl elaborate how come a Chaddi player grow the MCAP to such a high level? Any fundamental analysis will help.


What one needs to know is Page is no more a chaddi player. It is into socks, track pants, boxer shorts, bandis, women's inner wear, kids inner wear, Speedo range of products etc.

Out of the total indian population of 120 odd crores, if one were to assume that only 5 % people are the potential addressable market for Page, then with all the above products, Page can garner minimum 500 (2 chaddis plus maybe a pair of socks or two pair of ganji) Rs per year sales from the above people then it has sales potential of around 3000 crores. I read somewhere that the whole underwear market potential for India is around 18-20k crores. And this market keeps growing at around 12-15% per year. Plus Page has the brand power and distribution network firmly in place.

Currently page is around 3000 cr market cap on turnover of around 600 crores. So on turnover of 3000 crores it can go up to around 15000 crores. And the brand pull is so good that they can keep on extending the brands plus launch new categories which they feel comfortable catering to.

All in all this can be a good compounding machine for those who want to buy and sleep and forget for next 3-5 yrs. It can easily give around 20% cagr returns on a conservative basis. If one is smart and gets in during a weak quarter or during some problem the company faces of a temporary nature, remember Hawkins then returns can be higher.

Regarding threats of Reliance or other bigger players, just look at the attempt of Reliance to enter the retail space looking at the success of Pantaloon and they seem to have landed themselves in quicksand. One cant make a brand overnight in the undie space. Thats where page has the edge.
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Quote manish_okhade Replybullet Posted: 03/Feb/2012 at 9:25am
Hitesh,
 
At what PE you biught?
 
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Quote hit2710 Replybullet Posted: 03/Feb/2012 at 9:55am
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Hitesh,At what PE you biught?


My avg price is around 2470 per share. For eps of around 95 per share for fy 12 it is close to 26-27 times PE. But it does not occupy a very high portion of my portfolio. Valuation wise it is not cheap at all but thats the problem with page, it will continue to move sideways till the earnings catch up with price and then it will spike up.

Currently I think my choices would be to buy stocks which are going to bounce back strongly after the drubbing they have gotten. Still evaluating my choices in that field though. Took some trading bets in mid cap it sector last week. Metals, banks and infra could be next in line but I think most of the stocks have had a very sharp recent run up and so there is bound to be some cool off.
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Quote manish_okhade Replybullet Posted: 03/Feb/2012 at 10:00am
IDFC is up from low of 90 by 50%. Do you feel it will fizzle out after Q3 on 10 Feb?
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