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smartcat
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Right Manish. HDFC Prudence is better!
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jagbir
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Originally posted by manish962
Originally posted by smartcat
If managed well, those P/E ratio funds should offer good risk adjusted returns. But they don't seem to be doing that Tata Equity PE fund, for example, has returned 24% CAGR in the past 7 years. However, its NAV has been as volatile as any other plain vanilla equity MF. Those seeking a smoother ride should opt for HDFC Balanced fund. It has been around for 17 years now and has offered 21% CAGR. |
I would prefer HDFC Prudence to HDFC Balanced fund as Prudence fund has larger AUM (6200 Cr.) and the returns are higher than that of Balanced fund. Also Prudence fund is since 1994 and is well managed by Mr. Prashant Jain. |
I second that. HDFC Prudence is very well managed balanced fund by Mr. Prashant Jain and have slightly higher returns 19.9% over 5 years as compared to HDFC Balanced's 17.29%. Though, past performance may not guarantee same performance in future.
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barla
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how is a fund better, based on its investment objectives and how closely it follows it
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simply on returns.
Originally posted by jagbir
Originally posted by manish962
Originally posted by smartcat
If managed well, those P/E ratio funds should offer good risk adjusted returns. But they don't seem to be doing that Tata Equity PE fund, for example, has returned 24% CAGR in the past 7 years. However, its NAV has been as volatile as any other plain vanilla equity MF. Those seeking a smoother ride should opt for HDFC Balanced fund. It has been around for 17 years now and has offered 21% CAGR. |
I would prefer HDFC Prudence to HDFC Balanced fund as Prudence fund has larger AUM (6200 Cr.) and the returns are higher than that of Balanced fund. Also Prudence fund is since 1994 and is well managed by Mr. Prashant Jain. |
I second that. HDFC Prudence is very well managed balanced fund by Mr. Prashant Jain and have slightly higher returns 19.9% over 5 years as compared to HDFC Balanced's 17.29%. Though, past performance may not guarantee same performance in future.  |
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manish962
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Originally posted by barla
how is a fund better, based on its investment objectives and how closely it follows it
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simply on returns.
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1. Credibility of fund house and fund manager
2. Higher AUM - less volatality, less expense per unit - also more faith put by the investors and hence more confident is the fund manager as he has less redemptions to be dealt with and also he can invest maximum of the corpus(less cash on hand).
3. Active management of fund and its investment objectives.
4. Returns will follow if the above three criteria matches.
Comparison among the funds is simply looking at the returns over various periods. If a fund having better returns over most periods, then that fund is certainly better.
I normally look at 6m, 1y, 3y & 5y returns for comparison.
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photophobic111
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Smartcat sir ji, Which funds, for reference, are you invested in or would advocate one to invest in if one wants to take exposure to debt? Returns higher than bank FD plus capital protection over long period is expected. Holding to funds is no issue. Thanks again for helpful and crisp insights...much appreciated.
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Yes, there is a possibility of interest rate hike too - cannot rule it out completely. I'm basically diversifying within my debt portfolio. I cannot afford to see my entire debt portfolio giving negative returns - even if it is for a short duration of time.
I have another 33% in floating rate funds. The NAV of floating rate funds goes higher as the interest rates rise (unlike the NAV of long term debt MF which goes down as interest rates rise). The advantage of floating rate fund is that the NAV will almost never become negative over 3 months or longer time frames.
The remaining 34% is in liquid funds - it is strangely offering 8% per annum - because of liquidity crisis in the market. |
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smartcat
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Any asset class that gets you returns higher than a bank FD involves some sort of risk - you need to keep that in mind.
Go for Birla Sunlife Dynamic Bond Retail (G) and Birla GSF LT (G) - the former is a long term debt fund and the latter is a gilt (Govt Securities Fund) fund.
If you hold these funds for something like 3 or 4 years, you should get something like 9 to 10% CAGR.
Risk is short term negative or low returns if interest rates continue to rise. But as you said, you are willing to hold on to the funds for a few years.
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This appears to be one good fund for those who must invest in Mutual Fund
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Originally posted by vijaygawde
This appears to be one good fund for those who must invest in Mutual Fund
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My dad did an SIP in this and HDFC prudence for the last 1 and a half years or so on an advice from his agent . Returns have been close to 20% in this . The unfortunate part is he isnt willing to do anymore .
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