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deveshkayal
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 Posted: 25/Aug/2009 at 5:50pm |
Bullish on Merchant power (JSPL) and Pharma (Lupin, Divis)
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"You don't need to be a rocket scientist. Investing is not a game where the guy with the 160 IQ beat the guy with a 130 IQ. Rationality is essential"- Warren Buffett
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arunshah2k
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 Posted: 25/Aug/2009 at 6:51pm |
Just a FYI -
Reliance Growth fund has been around 25 bagger in last 10 years. I doubt how many people's portfolio could beat this record. (In the peak of Jan 2008, it was about 35+ bagger).
It is amazing for a mutual fund that invest in 25+ stocks to increase its NAV 25+ times. Just a blind investment in the fund in Jan 1999 with no analysis, paralysis of stocks, EPS, ROE, ROCE, blah, blah, blah, would have given someone 25+ times returns after 10 years.
Ofcourse the main reason for the above performance was the small fund size and so those guys could go and buy all those beaten down smallcaps/midcaps post the dot com bubble.
Now the fund size is around 4000+ crores so it is now a Sensex performer.
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deveshkayal
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 Posted: 25/Aug/2009 at 10:08pm |
Sunil Singhania's Rel Growth Fund (AUM of $1bn) is a better Stock picker than Samir Arora based on the facts..
Rel Growth posted a gain of 59.14% (1st Jan'09 - 31st July'09) v/s Samir Arora's Helios Strategic Fund (AUM of $400mn) gain of 46.05% in the same period. A Mutual Fund has to invest atleast 65% of their fund in equities whereas there is no such thing in Hedge Fund.
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"You don't need to be a rocket scientist. Investing is not a game where the guy with the 160 IQ beat the guy with a 130 IQ. Rationality is essential"- Warren Buffett
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Hitesh Shah
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 Posted: 25/Aug/2009 at 10:35pm |
One or two quarters performance is not enough to praise or damn a company or fund manager.And both these guys have done well in the past.
Edited by Hitesh Shah - 25/Aug/2009 at 10:37pm
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arunshah2k
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 Posted: 08/Oct/2009 at 12:54pm |
Quote from Madhu Kela.
we launched Reliance
Growth Fund at Rs 10 net asset value (NAV) 14 years ago and our NAV is
now approximately Rs 390. So people have made like 39 times their
returns in a mutual fund over last 14 year
Amazing record for a mutual fund. I doubt how many Indian investors portfolio will match that record - 30% CAGR for 14 years.
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Hitesh Shah
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 Posted: 08/Oct/2009 at 3:44pm |
One more quote from Kela on CNBC: Source
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my opinion, in the short-term there could be a buying frenzy, I would
like to call it a buying panic rather. Now people are waiting for this
correction to happen and now I see people are giving up hope for the
correction. So if you see the recent subscription of so many of these
new fund offers (NFOs) and qualified institutional placements (QIPs)
and the secondary sale, the ease at which it is happening and after
sale of all this where investors are not making money, it is clearly
showing signs of desperation just to put money because you can never be
fired for being 100% invested but you can always be punished for being
20% in cash. So I think that psyche that we have to just put the money
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basant
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tigershark
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 Posted: 08/Oct/2009 at 10:37pm |
yes , sebi should make it mandatory for the fund manager or his immediate fly to have X amount in the fund he manages. my personal opinion
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understanding both the power of compound return and the difficulty getting it is the heart and soul of understanding a lot of things
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