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Quote ankit18 Replybullet Posted: 08/Jan/2007 at 9:46pm
Could someone give a ballpark figure as to what the valuation of Sun Pharma and Sun Pharma R&D could be after demerger.
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Prosperity ji, can you please show the Pharma top pick in Buffett's portfolio. I somehow dont have that info. It would be interesting to find out this fact!
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Quote s_praharaj Replybullet Posted: 10/Jan/2007 at 1:31pm

Sun Pharma is the excellent pick in the Pharma space. It is constantly showing a CAGR of 35% for the last 4 years. It has a simultaneous focus in two main areas.

In Domestic sector it has a clear focus on the chronic disease segment and speciality products.

In International sector it is a aggressive player with a number of ANDA (Abbreviated New Drug Applications) filing in US. Sun has filed 27 products in US already they have a lot of products in the pipeline and they hope to have 100 products by 2009. They operate independently as well as through Caraco, its 100% Subsidiary in US. In the International scene they have complex products like Nasal Sprays, Injectibles which will be difficult to imitate immly. It has also exports in niche segments such as anti cancer, seroids, hormones et, which are very complex products and will wardoff competition to some extent.

 

Recently they have also acquired facilities in Ohio, Hungary and New Jersy where entry barriers are also quite high.and there will be substantial revenue contributions from these acquisitions.

 

As it is already known, they are demerging the R&D business which will unlock values.The proposed demerger may happen in March 2007.

 

Apart from the domestic and international sales they expect growth also from non-US formulations and bulk exports.

 

As regards the financials , it shows a constant increase in sales. The ROE and ROCE also is very comfortable. Constant increase in sales is a very healthy sign for any company.

 

 

Year                         Sales in Cr             ROE                  ROCE         PAT margin

Fy-2005                      1143.3                 40.5                     16.6           34.7

Fy-2006                      1594.5                41.4                     12.5            36.0

 

FY-2007 Estimated    2040.4                37.6                     15.2             35.3

 

It has not liquidated its equity in the last two years. The promoters shareholding is 71%. FII holding is 16%. Shares with Public is only  7%.

 

Since 15% of my portfolio is having pharmaceutical shares, I constantly keep a watch on the developments

In Pharmaceutical Industry.  In my opinion out of the four leading players in the Indian Pharmaceutical scene, (Cipla, DRL,Ranbaxy and Sun), Sun Pharma is best placed among all. Though in the upside

Ranbaxy may go to a  higher level percentage wise over Sun Pharma, the latter is the best one to go for in Pharmaceutical sector.

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Quote praveenmbd Replybullet Posted: 06/Apr/2007 at 2:59pm
Sun Pharma to issue 1:1 shares in spin off unit
 
MUMBAI, APRIL 5:  Sun Pharmaceuticals Industries Ltd said on Thursday its shareholders would get one share of Sun Pharma Advanced Research Co, which is being spun off, for every share they held in Sun Pharmeceuticals.

It has fixed April 30 as the record date for this purpose, it said in a statement.

The scheme to spin off and transfer the innovative research and development business to Sun Pharma was approved by the Gujarat High Court on March 1, it said.
 
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Quote prosperity Replybullet Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 8:58pm
Generally it would make sense to look at valuations (after spin off)
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Can you PLEASE look at the 2 demerged entities and the valuations that they are getting and let us know if we should switch to one of them ....
  
I am bullish on Sun Pharma as a whole, but unable to decide if i should continue to hold both or switch to one of them (at current valuations)
 
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Originally posted by basant

Sun Pharmaceuticals- A classic spin off play.

 

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What should investors do post the demerger?

 

1)      Post demerger the R&D company stock could be hammered down. This is because it would have no earnings and investors would look at PE and EPS thus forgetting the long term viability of the stock.

2)      The main business will see a rerating. The incremental profit that would arise because of the decrease in R&D spending will ensure that the EPS grows at a higher level then what is generally expected.

3)     The fact that the company is hiving off its R&D business into a separate entity means that the company expects revenues to flow into its R&D business very soon.

 

Generally it would make sense to look at valuations and in case the market gives the R&D Company a thumbs down smart investors should move in and buy this focused research play for the long term. If the market values this R&D on expected lines then also it deserves to be held because the real kicker would come in from the R&D Company rather then the main business. At present the stock does look fairly valued and but the value unlocking could come from the spin off only.

 

 

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Quote prosperity Replybullet Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 9:36pm
While i wait for Basantji's reply on this... I found some useful insight which i wanted to share: http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/news/why-is-nicholas-piramal-hiving-off-its-rd-unit/20/58/300004
 
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Generally it would make sense to look at valuations (after spin off)
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Basantji,
 
Can you PLEASE look at the 2 demerged entities and the valuations that they are getting and let us know if we should switch to one of them ....
  
I am bullish on Sun Pharma as a whole, but unable to decide if i should continue to hold both or switch to one of them (at current valuations)
 
Thanx !!
 
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Quote kanagala Replybullet Posted: 09/Jun/2008 at 12:11pm
This looks like a best performing blue chip stock in India.
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Quote experteye Replybullet Posted: 09/Jun/2008 at 2:38pm
Perfect long term play.
more risk,more profit but have a vision before taking risk,itis all about investment in equities market.
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