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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 11/Dec/2007 at 5:17pm
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Did u really mean research??? U said research or re-search?
Well B'lore needs to re-search a chief minister for sure!
 
R&D???? all-over India doesn't it actually mean Relax & Duplicate??
 
 
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Quote Ajith Replybullet Posted: 11/Dec/2007 at 5:18pm
 What I meant  is that there are many  old research institutions  in Bangalore which is the fundamental reason for it becoming the tech capital or so I have come to understand from my reading.

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Quote johnnybravo Replybullet Posted: 11/Dec/2007 at 5:32pm
all one needs is a soul search - baki 'saab moh maya hai'!

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Quote Ajaya Replybullet Posted: 11/Dec/2007 at 12:29pm
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Originally posted by Ajaya

 
   Tushar I have no idea  where you are living.But as some of the comments you made I don't agree.
 
  * Mostely IT crowd live there as that is the centeral location to go to any IT companies in any part of b'lore.Most IT ppl prefer to buy apartment in that location as that is central location .If they change job  then also some other place will be same distance to them.Lot of apartmets are there in that ring road along with some posh row houses.You will find mostly apartment in both sides of ring road. You have multiplex is there nearby.
 


Big%20smile Well how can you have any idea of where did I live !!

* The impression i gave was of 2005 but as I said (and also u did), Marathalli was/is better along the peripheral outer ring road only.

I might spark off a debate here, and somebody might get offended....but seriously, without any prejudice, quality of houses/apartments in Pune is much much better - just an observation.

Shhh...please don't expose Pune's roads for God's sake.

Anyways, lets trust Biyani, who might know more than u and definitely more than me about the location - and who cares whether techies live in shacks or castles as long as they visit staples
 
Nothing personal..
 
   You sounded(in ur previous comment) like you live in bangalore from long time as if You know the place in & out.
 
 But ppl for the sake of giving any comments talk whatever they have seen in past that to 2-4 years past.The place is not a outskirt anymore.
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Quote omshivaya Replybullet Posted: 11/Dec/2007 at 10:41am

It seems the Bangalore real estate bubble has burst.

The city, which saw some unrealistic rise in property prices in the past few years, has witnessed a sharp drop this year. A survey conducted by a real estate firm corroborates this.

Real estate company Asipac states that property prices in the city have dropped by at least 10 to 20 per cent in the past one year. In areas like Sarjapur, where the concentration of IT firms is heavy, prices have come down by 20 per cent, while in posh localities like Jayanagar and JP Nagar, there has been a 15 per cent fall. 

Such a drop seems strange, especially when prices in Mumbai, New Delhi and indeed many other Tier1 and Tier-2 cities are wintessing a phenomenal increase. 

So what has led to a dent in property prices in the IT capital of India?

Experts hold that property in Bangalore always had a 'fake' -- or inflated -- price. It soared because of the hype around the IT boom in the city. 

Prestige Group chairman and managing director Irfan Razack feels that property prices in Bangalore were at an unrealistic high so far. That led to a demand-supply mismatch as a result of which at least 5,000 apartments lie vacant today. Dealers, who used to sell at least 60 flats in a quarter, can now sell just six.

One can compare the Bangalore scenario to that of Mangalore as it was a couple of years back when the Mangalore Refineries and Petrochemicals was set up. Big money was being paid to the the refinery employees then and taking cue from this, realtors hiked property prices.

As a result, a house which would be available for Rs 500 on rent at the time was available for no less than Rs 1,500. However that situation did not last for long and prices came crashing down in a few years.

The case of Bangalore is no different. The advent of IT industry to the city led to a huge rise in realty prices. Sky high prices started getting quoted just because IT personnel could afford it. Result: non-IT people too had to cough up these higher rates. 

Inflated prices in turn generated a false realty market in the city, wherein people not even remotely connected with the construction industry started building apartments. Thus, a city, which had just 40 apartment buildings till 15 years ago, has over a 1,000 today. And a majority of them are lying vacant.

THE GREAT FALL

East Bangalore

Drop from Rs 3,100/sq foot to Rs 2,100/sq foot

South Bangalore

Drop from Rs 6,400/sq foot to Rs 4,000/sq foot

 

 

South East Bangalore

Drop from Rs 5,300/sq foot to Rs 3500/sq foot

Builders in Bangalore find it difficult to dispose of the apartments these days and hence are incurring huge losses. They are, therefore, reducing the prices to draw customers.

Take the case of Sarjapur. Prior to the IT invasion, this area was hardly visible on the Bangalore map. Today, there are nearly 40 different apartment blocks, but very few takers.

The prices that used to be quoted earlier for houses in this area were very similar to those quoted for apartments in the heart of the city. An investor, however, thought twice before investing in a property in this area because of its remoteness. (Although Sarjapur and White Field have very good apartments, commuting from these places isn't too convenient). Hence apartments worth Rs 50 lakh (Rs 5 million) and above in the area mostly lie unoccupied at present.

High property prices in the best planned areas of the city -- like Jayanagar and J P Nagar  -- forced prospective buyers to opt for less expensive areas, like R T Nagar, Sultanpalya and Kamanhalli. It is said that the demand for land or a house in Jayanagar and J P Nagar went down by at least 40 per cent. Realtors in the area, were in turn compelled  to reduce prices.

According to the builders of Bangalore, realtors are to blame for the price debacle. After a building is constructed, the builder sells it to the realtor, who in turn disposes of the property at a price of his choice. The realtors, who have their own network (a very strong one), are the ones who decide the price.

To sum up, there cannot be a better time to invest in Bangalore. 

"It is the best time to buy a property in Bangalore. You never know what the future holds in store. Once the vacant apartments are disposed of, prices could rise again," says builder Ajith Pai. 

 
 
My note: If someone thinks he is OVERSMART ad quotes you Rs. 5000 per sq. ft., then he is creaming you. Demand at most Rs. 2000 per sq. ft as that is what it deserves else DUMP it on the well wisher's FACE!


Edited by omshivaya - 12/Dec/2007 at 1:53pm
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Quote xbox Replybullet Posted: 11/Dec/2007 at 10:44am
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My note: If someone quotes you Rs. 5000 per sq. ft., then he is creamin you. Demand at most Rs. 4000 per sq. ft as that is what it deserves.
.......and settle for Rs. 3000 per sq.Smile
Don't bet on pig after all bull & bear in circle.
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Quote omshivaya Replybullet Posted: 11/Dec/2007 at 10:49am
Naah, settle for 2000 bucks. See my edited message above X-box jee Wink
 
 
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Quote johnnybravo Replybullet Posted: 12/Dec/2007 at 1:11pm
Originally posted by omshivaya

Such a drop seems strange, especially when prices in Mumbai, New Delhi and indeed many other Tier1 and Tier-2 cities are wintessing a phenomenal increase. 



Good, but not surprising. Demand for B'lore was piggybacking the IT wave and all people thought was that this will continue to eternity.

The whole game boils down to who creates the demand - all b'lore had was a pseudo demand - that IT mints money in $'s.

I recently had a word with a builder in Pune - he got a small chunk of land in Hadapsar just becoz Microsoft cornered a huge pie.

Now if prices fall, microsoft can afford to wait, who will help this guy?? And Msft can book that in 1 day - I remember the 2001 days, when Lucent in Kormangala was shunted to 1/5 of its office size (the rest was taken up by Big Bazaar latter!)

Cyberabad, Pune will follow B'lore to way down as they did on the way up.

5000 flats vacant - that a conservative number with 11 floored towers these days, 5000 is no number.
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