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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 13/Jun/2007 at 12:13pm
When the seas are rough, people like Warrent Buffet always fly to their destination.
 
Yeah, people generally talk about dividend yield from their stocks when their share prices don't go up.
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 13/Jun/2007 at 12:24pm
Smartcat, I dont think he was talking of yield in that sense....however, bade log jo bhi bol dein hum logo ka kaam to sun naa hi hai naa.....
 
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 15/Oct/2007 at 9:39am
Originally posted by maveric

Bartronics is in growth phase and requires lots of funds it raises funds through equity, debt or mix of both. Do think at that time Bartronics should pay the dividend or reinvest the profits for its growth needs? Think you will get the answer….
 
If I remember correctly Bharti has not paid dividends since listing!


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Quote xbox Replybullet Posted: 15/Oct/2007 at 9:42am
If I remember correctly Bharti has not paid dividends since listing!
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Last time, Mr. Mittal was caught saying that TRAI charges so high that most of telecom companies in  India are still not in position to pay dividends. Ouch
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 15/Oct/2007 at 10:01am
Come one Mr. Mittal we need better excuses then that. Why not say that the RoE is higher then normal companies so we are creating more wealth then what the shareholder would do - himself.
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 29/Nov/2007 at 5:48pm
some excerpts from an article.......
 
The Secret to Great Value Investments

To me, "value investing" is a repetitive term. What is investing, if not the search for businesses offering value? Still, many investors miss the point of value investing entirely -- because they fail to spot the one factor that defines every great investment.

Not all value stocks boast low price-to-earnings (P/E) multiples. And companies with low P/E ratios are not necessarily value stocks. It's true that in the long run, the odds suggest that companies sporting lower earnings multiples should perform better over time. But simply buying a company selling at less than 10 times earnings is not value investing.

What makes a company today worth much more tomorrow is the presence of a catalyst -- an event that unlocks value. The list of potential catalysts can be exhaustive, so let's stick to three examples that are easier to spot than others.

1. New management
When all else fails, a troubled company usually must replace current management, and a fresh hire can sometimes unlock value.

2. New markets

3. Improved fundamentals
Recently, Warren Buffett disclosed a sizable stake in railroad operator Burlington Northern Sante Fe. Generally, railroad companies are capital-intensive, operate with razor-thin margins, and carry heavy leverage - qualities that Buffett systematically avoids. So what gives?

Apparently, Buffett feels that for the first time in a long time, the railroad industry's fundamentals are improving. Thanks to the commodity boom in China and India, railroads are operating at full capacity. In addition, technological innovations like double-stacked railcars provide greater efficiency per mile. In short, railroads are beginning to generate returns above their cost of capital

Value or value trap?
The creation of value defines a successful investment. That value can come in many shapes and sizes, but a good investment will always unlock it. Identifying catalysts like the three above will help you determine which companies are likely to unlock their value, and which will remain locked down.

 
 
 
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 05/Dec/2007 at 6:41pm
Something like GARP......
 

As an investor, you probably know that stocks are priced based on the market's expectations for the future. But if you look at things in more depth, you'll realize that those expectations can be broken up into three parts:

  • Proven performance
  • Natural growth
  • Strategic direction

The first two are rather straightforward. You can find a company's proven performance at nearly any financial website. Additionally, just by getting pulled along by inflation and real growth in the overall economy, most companies have some level of natural growth.

But that third item -- strategic direction -- is a tough nut to crack. A company's strategic direction lets it grow faster than the economy, by increasing either the overall size of its market or its share of the existing pie. It's what most investors think of when they think of growth. While the other two parts can usually be projected fairly easily, the true value of strategic direction can only be seen in hindsight. By that point, unfortunately, it's nearly always too late for investors to profit.

Cheat the system
Even though you can't figure out ahead of time what a company's growth strategy will really be worth, you can get a good handle on what the market thinks. Simply subtract the other two parts from a company's market price. The remainder is the market's current estimate of the growth strategy's worth.

With that information in hand, you can make better investing decisions. In essence, the less you pay for a company's growth strategy, the better your chances of winding up on top. After all, if the strategy comes cheaply, then even if that strategic growth doesn't materialize, the company you're holding is still worth something. And if the strategy does pay off, then you've likely got yourself a company worth more than you paid for it.

That, in a nutshell, is how we value investors gain our edge. We certainly don't ignore growth. After all, no less a value investing luminary than Warren Buffett admits that "value and growth are joined at the hip." Instead, we simply steadfastly refuse to overpay for the growth we expect to see from our companies. By doing that, we ensure that a larger chunk of that growth finds its way to our pockets.

Put it to practice
To make this work for you, you need to know:

  • A company's market price and its most recent earnings (adjusted, if necessary).
  • Long-run projections of inflation and economic growth .
  • What rate of return you expect from your investment.
  • How to perform a discounted earnings calculation

With that information, you can get a handle on how much of a company's total market value is made up of each of those three parts. This table shows my rough results for a handful of companies (assuming a 12% required rate of return and 4.8% annual "natural" growth):

Company

Recent
Price

Trail.
EPS

Proven
Perform.

Natural
Growth

Strat.
Dir.

% from
Strat.

Home Depot

$28.56

$2.40

$20.00

$14.93

($6.37)

(22.32%)

Kroger

$28.75

$1.68

$14.00

$10.45

$4.30

14.94%

Johnson & Johnson

$67.74

$3.55

$29.58

$22.09

$16.07

23.72%

Honeywell

$56.62

$2.96

$24.67

$18.42

$13.54

23.91%

AT&T

$38.21

$1.91

$15.92

$11.88

$10.41

27.24%

Starbucks

$23.39

$0.87

$7.25

$5.41

$10.73

45.86%

Intuitive Surgical

$327.68

$3.08

$25.67

$19.16

$282.85

86.32%

On one end sits robotic surgery pioneer Intuitive Surgical. While the company may very well have a bright future ahead of it, its growth strategy makes up more than 85% of its stock price. Because of that, it has to grow like wildfire just to justify its current price. On the other end, home improvement retailer Home Depot trades extremely cheaply. As it stands, the market seems to expect it to more or less tread water and actually lose ground to the overall economy over time. With that in mind, ask yourself these two questions:

  1. Which one would you rather own if its growth strategy stumbled?
  2. Which one looks like the market's expectations would be a lower hurdle to clear?

If you answered "Home Depot" to both those questions, congratulations! You've got the makings of a value investor. Any growth Home Depot may see is available far more cheaply than the growth available from Intuitive Surgical. That gives you a better shot at protecting your money if the company continues to struggle, and a better shot at reaping the rewards as an investor if it does manage to grow.

 
 
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 05/Dec/2007 at 8:48pm
Good writeup but is applicable more to stable/mature sectors. thes ecalculations cannot be used for Sectors such as retail, media, telecom, infratsructure etc where there is as much strategic direction as the other two aspects.
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