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Quote prosperity Replybullet Posted: 26/Mar/2007 at 10:56am

Thanks for your explainations !

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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 26/Mar/2007 at 11:11am
prosperity,
 
Kindly explain point#6.10% better margin doesnt imply 10 percent higher sales, or does it?
 
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Quote prosperity Replybullet Posted: 26/Mar/2007 at 11:46am

Vivek, (Basantji,)

Good ... that was the weak link and you caught it !!
  
On same cost price (total capital employed) if profit margins are 10% ... then sale price would also be higher but not by 10% ... it might be by 3-5% (depends on how much is the absolute profit margin of that company)
 
I initially wanted to take that example .. but later for sake of simplicity - i overly-simplified it ... and you correctly caught it !!
 
But lets say that market is giving lower PE to company A than company B eventhough the profit margin of company A is more ... [Can be because B is sector leader, etc.]
 
Then this ratio DECIEVES YOU ... since for company A, sales are 3-5% higher and because of lower PE - market price of company A would also be 3-5% lesser ... in effect the ratio market-cap/sales for company A would have lesser numerator and higher denominator ... and this RATIO WOULD WORK AGAINST YOU AS IT WOULD INCORRECTLY SHOW THAT COMPANY B IS BETTER !! 
 
EVEN THOUGH COMPANY A IS BETTER ON 2 COUNTS - A) lower PE  b) higher profit margins !!
 
But here 2 positives of companies cancel each other (in numnerator and denominators) and becomes an ARTIFICAL NEGATIVE FOR THAT COMPANY !!
 
Some ratios tell somethings and not everythings ... But this ratio is telling WRONG THINGS !!
 
Basantji ?
 
 
 
 
 


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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 26/Mar/2007 at 11:57am

Prosperity,  lower market cap to sales is a positive indicator and not a negative indicator.

Also, some more points...

1.Capital Employed and Costs are different stuff....Something like Loans and Advances does nothing to cost but increases the capital employed.

2.Its not very probable, that a company with better margins be alloted inferior multiples.... the most probable reason why a sector leader is a sector leader is generally better cost management, the other(inverse) way of looking at margin management



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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 01/Apr/2007 at 10:15am

There is another important reason why market cap to sales is considered to be an important indicator. Sales is considered to be the cause of profits. So, if you ever locate a company with decling market cap to sales ratio but whose OPM is showing signs of an increase, thats a wonderful entry point. Also remember, sometimes a comopany's P/E may be made to look artificially high, by debiting a huge amount in depreciation and amortisation. And companies which retain a huge chunk of cash through depreciation charge, should always be carefully looked into. One should always look into how much assets a company is putting under impairment... these are book-entry debit entries, but do wonders to the profit and loss account of the coming period.

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Quote wise_man Replybullet Posted: 27/Feb/2008 at 12:36pm
hey can someone teach me how to evaluate Market cap to Sales Ratio of a company can anyone plz beak it down with an example plz.?Confused i have been trying to evaluate it but allways come to the wrong figure is it this P/S = (Stock Price) / (Sales Per Share) = (Market Capitalization) / (Total Sales)
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 27/Feb/2008 at 1:03pm
A company with a mkt cap of Rs 2000 crores and a sales of Rs 1500 crores will be termed as trading at 2000/1500 or 1.33 times mkt cap to slaes. The Mkt cap comes on the numerator.


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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 27/Feb/2008 at 1:50pm
Isn't it other way around?
 
Mkt Cap/Sales=2000/1500 so trading at a ratio of 1.33.
 
And it is same as (Price per share)/(Sales per share) ratio.
 
 
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