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Quote tigershark Replybullet Posted: 28/Oct/2011 at 7:37am
economic goodwill plays a part in the valuations of such cos.the brand itself adds a couple of points to the pe.
understanding both the power of compound return and the difficulty getting it is the heart and soul of understanding a lot of things
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Quote manish_okhade Replybullet Posted: 28/Oct/2011 at 10:15am
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economic goodwill plays a part in the valuations of such cos.the brand itself adds a couple of points to the pe.



Economic goodwill - Can you pl enlighten me on this?

Brand - Any guess typically what is the factor in PE? I saw CASTROL rerated in last 1-2 yrs only so it should be low PE stock before.
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Quote Ravenrage Replybullet Posted: 28/Oct/2011 at 10:38am
Veedol Turbostar is an excellent product , well comparable with Castrol , if not better .
Risk does not reside in price changes, but in miscalculations of intrinsic value .
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Quote tigershark Replybullet Posted: 29/Oct/2011 at 1:40pm
businesses logically are worth far more than net tangible assets when they produce earnings on such assets considerably in excess of mkt rates of return.this capitalised value of this excess return is economic goodwill.the name castrol brings in more revenue than lets say a not so famous lubricant.consumer franchise are a prime source of economic goodwill.hope this helps.sourced from the essays of warren buffett.
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Quote manish_okhade Replybullet Posted: 29/Oct/2011 at 1:45pm
Tigershark,

Any input on fair value of CASTROL and associated reasoning. I looked at the data and it looks fabulous for CASTROL but not sure how to value it due to sudden spurt in price, will it sustain etc.
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Quote tigershark Replybullet Posted: 29/Oct/2011 at 1:53pm
these franchisee cos are always appear to be expensive on a pe basis.if they can maintain their growth momentum then they continue to be steady compounders and high payout businesses
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Quote Monkey Replybullet Posted: 29/Oct/2011 at 3:54pm
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Monkey,

Can you pl share any valuation for CASTROL, Do they have any pricing power?
 
Manish,
 
My take on Castrol:
 
Opportuity: Growth opportunity is not like a new or unpenetrated category. However, it should be reasonable to expect double digit top line growth for next few years, considering increasing automobile penetration.
 
I find any sector interesting where public sector dominates and there are few efficient private sector players. Lube oil business is one fitting this. Basically I think Castrol will improve its market share at the cost of public sector companies.
 
Threat will come when other MNCs like Shell, Total, Exxonmobil start in a big way in India. However, this does not seem imminent in next few years. If I start seeing aggresive marketing campaigns from few of such MNCs then I will rethink about prospects of Castrol.
 
Performance: The numbers are in public domain accessible to everyone. It is adequate to note that it is reasonable considering expectation of double digit top line growth.
 
Valuation: It is tricky part. Growth oriented investors will not like it as opportunity is not as big as some new or unpenetrated category whereas die-hard value investors will not like it as it will not come to the valuation levels they expect.
 
So, Castrol is not a value buy or growth play but can be considered as steady compounder.
 
If any one is making a growth oriented concentrated portfolio or if one is making a portfolio with deep value orientation, Castrol will not find place in such portfolios. However, if one is looking at building a diversified portfolio of say 20 or so companies with mix of growth plays, value buys and steady compounders, Castrol will find a place in such portfolio.
 
I have not mentioned any P/E numbers here as my normal approach is to buy when stock broadly fits into the requirement with little bit P/E here & there does not really matter in long term scheme of things.
 
Personally, I have Castrol in my portfolio. However, I am giving my portfolio a more growth bias nowadays. Hence, not bought more of Castrol since some time.  However, for a portfolio I am building for my mother, I have added Castrol recently as I am looking for a diversified portfolio with mix of all plays.
 
Tide water oil is not fitting into my scheme of things better than Castrol. Hence, I am not considering it. I will review it if their need to retain so much earning comes down by improving efficiency.
 
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Quote prabhakarkudva Replybullet Posted: 29/Oct/2011 at 4:31pm
Nice write up monkji!
Take your chances and keep them in a box until a quieter time.
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