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mane.ramesh
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Quote mane.ramesh Replybullet Posted: 09/Nov/2010 at 9:33am
By Guruprasad
Not sure if it is related.

http://www.sebi.gov.in/cmorder/rakesh.html

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Look at point (h) Shocked



(h)               Shri Rakesh Jhunjhunwala had in his interactions with the media recommended purchase of a few scrips. It was observed that while making the recommendations he had substantial holdings in the said scrips and the price of the scrip as well as trading volumes increased soon after the recommendation was made.  It was further noted that after the said increase in the price, Shri Rakesh Jhunjhunwala liquidated his holdings.












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Quote yashkumar Replybullet Posted: 09/Nov/2010 at 9:52am
viceroy hotels he own from 5 years share range from 2 year 28-58.no one even talk this multibagger even.why?
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amazing no one disscuss
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Quote abhishekbasu Replybullet Posted: 09/Nov/2010 at 9:56am
Originally posted by prabhakarkudva

....If you ask him to start over again it is debatable if he'll be able to repeat his success or not while someone like buffett most definitely can....


I am not so convinced about Buffet as well. I am a big fan of his investment style and life philosophy in general, but if you purely look at his investments and take away the the fact that he keeps getting incremental capital from his business (read insurance float), then you would find that there are a lot of investors with his ability to get sustainable returns from financial markets. Take the example of Lynch, Soros, Schloss, Dremen, Klarman, Pabrai etc who have generated very good returns over pretty extensive periods of time. The difference is the capital. Buffet owns majority of class A shares of Berkshire and therein makes his billions and the others manage other people's money.

If you look at people like RJ, Damani (specially RJ), he has made his big money in really long term stocks. How many people are there in the markets today with a holding period of 10-15-20 years? Trading gives the thrills and the emotional satisfaction of being in the markets 24x7, but the long haul stocks makes him the money.

Personally, I try learn from everyone, people who have done well and also who have not done well and try to get at a stage were I am convinced about my investments. End of the day, it is my hard-earned money that I am investing. So, I need to focus on my competence (and more importantly, my incompetence) Wink

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Quote Kabootar Replybullet Posted: 09/Nov/2010 at 11:17am
Originally posted by mane.ramesh


By GuruprasadNot sure if it is related.

http://www.sebi.gov.in/cmorder/rakesh.html<span style="font-size: 10px;">*****************************************Look at point (h) Shocked</span><span style=""><span style="">(h)<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">              
</span></span></span>Shri <span ="SpellE">Rakesh</span> <span ="SpellE">Jhunjhunwala</span> had in his interactions with the media
recommended purchase of a few scrips. It was observed that while making the
recommendations he had substantial holdings in the said scrips and the price of
the scrip as well as trading volumes increased soon after the recommendation
was made.<span style="">  </span>It was further noted that
after the said increase in the price, Shri <span ="SpellE">Rakesh</span> <span ="SpellE">Jhunjhunwala</span> liquidated his holdings.< id="gwProxy" =""><!--Session -->< ="if(of(jsCall)==''){jsCall();}else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" =""><div id="ref">


read the whole order, this is just a charge. below you can see that Sebi finally decided there was no manipulation. though it seems considerable loans were given to his firm in a fishy manner, but sebi washed its hands saying RBI should investigate that.
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Quote excel_monkey Replybullet Posted: 10/Nov/2010 at 2:50pm
Technically speaking (legally) he might be correct (with all those disclaimers etc) but he knows how retail investors would react once he does a block/bulk deal in a stock
it has happened with many stocks recently
Visaka, JB Chem and now Orchid Chem
It is better to do these transactions discreetly
and I am sure he would be doing a lot many transactions discreetly



Originally posted by Kabootar

that's vested interest for you...

they dont have any obligation towards our wellbeing.

I remember watching RJ being asked by an investor about any stocks he could recommend on a UTV special show some months back. He said since tomorrow I wont be calling you up and tell you to exit, I wont name any companies now!
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Quote valuepicks Replybullet Posted: 10/Nov/2010 at 7:02pm
For that matter, I was also surprised that Buffett bought a major Railroad company in the midst of recession in the US. Yes, he bought when all chips are down. But he probably bought a capital-intensive, debt-prone business. That was surprising!
 
Looks like big investors can bend their own rules advocated, for a reason they alone might know.

Originally posted by tigershark

Buffet buys a great recepie when the chips are down RJ hopes that the cooks will make a great recepie with what they have got.obiviously the risks of not turning right are higher in the latter and thats clear from their portfolios.where RJ scores over big B is his ability to create huge amounts of capital from trading bets, whereas B got capital form his investments(insurancefloats)

 
 
Investment Rule #1: Do not lose capital. Rule #2: Do not forget Rule #1   - Warren Buffett.
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Quote valuepicks Replybullet Posted: 10/Nov/2010 at 7:12pm
Yeah, that 'probability' approach sounds more like VC/PE fund manager style. They experiment with all new ideas in the market - dotcom, biotech, biofuels, restaurants, service apts, and what not -  with a clear understanding that ONLY some of them will eventually survive!
 
At least in VC/PE approach, they get the valuations cheap!
 
Originally posted by basant



For anyone who tries to be big, the risk is in the initial phase but once the capital had been created they try to control the risk , never let the greed control them.

Investment Rule #1: Do not lose capital. Rule #2: Do not forget Rule #1   - Warren Buffett.
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Quote manish_okhade Replybullet Posted: 10/Nov/2010 at 9:59pm
There is no formula in Investing, we have only strategies and they are selected by Investor's inherent temperament.
 
One should looks all gr8 fellows but should choose which strategy ultimatly suits one.
 
Had anything proven in the world of investing it will become a formula and if its a proven formula then all will become rich following it which is ultimatly a contradiction because investing is a zero sum game. When one sells then one buys it and vice versa.
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