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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2009 at 9:10pm
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Three Questions That Count
Kenneth L. Fisher

You want to maximize your chances of getting good results from stock picking? I have a system, and it boils down to focusing on just three big questions......
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Example: Most investors believe that years when the market is trading at a high multiple of its collective earnings are bad years in which to invest and low-P/E market years are good times. This popular belief is contradicted by the evidence, as I have outlined in earlier columns. Yes, there are some high-P/E years that turned out to be disasters (2000 and 2001, for example). But there are just as many occasions when buying into a high-P/E market was the right thing to do, for example in 1932, 1998 and 2003.


So when you see folks freaked out by high-P/E markets, you can bet against them. You know something they don't know. You can invest knowing that the market P/E is irrelevant. (And it should be.)

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Interesting, given the views expressed elsewhere suggesting other otherwise


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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2009 at 8:55am
The idea of looking at the Pe should be linked to whether we are fairly through into a bull market or emerging from a bear case. For instance in 2k and 2007 we were a few years with the bull whereas in 1932, 2003 etc we were emerging from a bear case. A market emerging from a bear case is expected to neutralize the high Pe with increased earnings not so much in the other case.
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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2009 at 9:15am
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The idea of looking at the Pe should be linked to whether we are fairly through into a bull market or emerging from a bear case. For instance in 2k and 2007 we were a few years with the bull whereas in 1932, 2003 etc we were emerging from a bear case. A market emerging from a bear case is expected to neutralize the high Pe with increased earnings not so much in the other case.


Makes perfect sense but I have one doubt. A company that retains its high P/E in a bear market must be special or one for which earnings (& stock price) didn't really collapse in the bear market.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2009 at 9:43am
Hind Lever is one such stock but it did not get expensive with the market so from a best performer a few months back it has become a dud. But on the other hand there are companies like Nestle and Marico which have satisfied shareholders.
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Quote atulbull Replybullet Posted: 13/Sep/2009 at 7:43pm

Buy Into Fossil Fuels

Ken Fisher, 09.02.09, 06:00 PM EDT
Forbes Magazine dated September 21, 2009

Energy-hungry consumers around the globe will be demanding fossil fuels. So be overweight in energy stocks--at least 12% of your equity.


Rich Karlgaard's recent column on energy and the Waxman-Markey carbon trading bill should be required reading for every high school and college kid. They should have to read it three times. Adults should have to prove they've read it before being allowed to vote. The column outlined the harsh reality of renewable energy. In this country 89% of electricity comes from three fuel sources: coal, natural gas and nuclear fission. That fraction won't change dramatically in the next decade. If you want your air conditioner to work in 2014, you'd better hope that more fossil fuel plants get built.

I'm riding down the road in a friend's electric Tesla Roadster. Sounds clean, doesn't it? But we are burning 49% coal, 21% natural gas, 20% nuclear and little else. Wind power? Zip! How will we run Teslas without fossil fuel? We won't. How will emerging markets, with a combined gdp already bigger than America's, grow without more fossil fuel? They won't.

Nuclear power might provide for our needs (and, if you believe in the global warming theory, protect our atmosphere). If the French can get 70% of their electric energy from nuclear safely and cleanly, then we can. But will we? Politically, it will be difficult. Many of the same people screaming that fossil fuel creates global warming are also adamantly against adding clean nuclear power. There are a lot of nuclear reactor applications pending in the U.S., but the permits will be few, and slow in coming.

That situation, and the fact that other energy-hungry countries will also be demanding fossil fuels, tells me you should be overweight in energy stocks. That means at least 12% of your equity in energy companies, and most of that in companies with a fossil fuel emphasis. Here's a hefty handful I like now.

I've recommended one energy stock in each of the last three months. But among U.S. firms producing petroleum and natural gas, four stand out: Apache ( APA - news - people ) (APA, 85), Chevron ( CVX - news - people ) (CVX, 70), Hess ( HES - news - people ) (HES, 51) and Marathon Oil ( MRO - news - people ) (MRO, 31). I like Apache's growth potential overseas and in natural gas, Chevron's mass and class, Hess' portfolio and projects, and Marathon's over-the-top cheapness. These are all high-quality firms with balance sheets and cash flows (in the sense of net income plus depreciation) quite able to withstand the volatility in energy prices.

Among my foreign favorites is Repsol YPF (REP, 24), a Spanish firm with a lot of assets in the New World. It has 2.3 billion oil- equivalent barrels of proven reserves, or about two barrels per share, and has daily production of a million barrels. A common criticism of Repsol is that much of its operations are in politically unstable parts of Latin America such as Argentina. I'm not as bothered as most investors by the politics of that continent. With increased wealth comes a bigger middle class and more political stability. That shift will help boost valuations. Repsol sells at book value, 40% of annual revenue and ten times likely 2009 earnings. It has a 4.8% dividend yield.

Even more disdained, and for the same reason, is the Colombian firm Ecopetrol (EC, 26). The mere thought of Colombia causes investors to envision drugs and death. But our government backs, and will continue to back, Colombia, and the Colombian government owns 90% of Ecopetrol. It produces about half what Repsol does but is more reserve rich per dollar of revenue, with 1.4 billion barrels. At ten times 2009 earnings and with a 4.8% dividend yield, it qualifies as a value investment.

I recommended Cameron International ( CMRN.OB - news - people ) (CAM, 35) last September at $43 as the market blew apart and rolled it over into my 2009 picks at 21. My original pick should pay off over time. Operating in 100 countries, Cameron makes specialty oilfield gear, much of it the kind of equipment (like blowout preventers and undersea machinery) that is hard to find elsewhere. The early 2009 collapse in oil prices hurt, but Cameron will be at the center of increased fossil fuel demand. It sells at 18 times depressed 2009 earnings but only 10 times my 2010 earnings estimate.

The French firm CGG Veritas (CGV, 21) collects and manages geophysical data (images of plausible drilling spots) and data on discovered oil reservoirs. If demand for fossil fuel grows, so will demand grow for CGG Veritas' services. This is an innovative technology firm as much as an energy-services firm. Yet it sells at 80% of book value, 80% of its $3.7 billion of annual revenue and 12 times my estimate of 2009 earnings.


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Quote Mohan Replybullet Posted: 14/Oct/2009 at 12:00pm

Ken Fisher: The Bear Market Is Over

That 9% mini correction between June 2 and July 13 was nothing to worry about. Pullbacks are normal early in a recovery. I can find only one bull market, in 1935, that didn't have some material indigestion within its first 12 months. But bull markets roll on for years.

This rally has taken stocks up 55% from their Mar. 9 low, as measured by the *Morgan Stanley All World Index. That's far bigger than any global bear market sucker rally. Interestingly, the record rebound has gotten less ink than the corresponding fall in prices during the first quarter. Maybe the bulls should be making a bigger fuss about what's going on.

In my Sept. 29 column last year I wrote about how we're in a reverse bubble. In this mirror image of a buying mania, people can see only the negatives. But the positives are there and will be reflected in stocks before long.

  For example, few see that housing affordability is now excellent: The median home price in the U.S. is 2.8 times median family income, down from 3.9 times three years ago. Another positive is that global leading economic indicators in total (such as real money supply and the yield curve's slope) are the highest they've been in a decade. Productivity is up 2% from a year ago, an impressive growth rate within a recession's decline.

The financial crisis is over. Most rate spreads between risky paper like junk bonds to Treasuries have reverted to pre-crisis levels. U.S. banks cash on hand, at a trillion dollars, is (adjusted for inflation) three times what it was before the crisis. Cash in the form of U.S. money market funds comes to 42% of the stock market's capitalization. That ratio is more than twice what it was in 1982 and 2003, as stocks were about to take off.

I have been saying for a while that stocks are dirt cheap, as measured by the degree to which prospective earnings yields exceed long-term interest rates globally. Stocks are also low in relation to commodity prices. In 2000 the S&P 500 matched the dollar price of 5 ounces of gold; now it costs you only an ounce. The price of the index in baskets of wheat and pounds of copper is down similarly. And what do the bears say? That earnings will be low this year. Old news. So what? I expect S&P earnings (before write-offs) of $70 next year. The market is trading at 13.6 times that sum.

You should remain heavily committed to stocks like these:

*Emerson Electric  (EMR, 36) has $24 billion in annual revenue from motors, valves, switches, test equipment, compressors and much more--all depressed businesses now, but they will have much higher sales as the expansion evolves. The stock will move ahead of the sales gain. It now sells at one times annual sales and ten times what I think it will earn in its September 2010 fiscal year. The dividend yield is 3.6%.

  A similarly depressed high-quality industrial is Sweden's SKF Industries (SKFRY, 13), which makes roller bearings, seals, lubrication systems and complex industrial parts that combine electronics and mechanics. Until this recession it grew steadily--and it will again. Like Emerson, this company will see its stock run up ahead of its sales. It also sells at ten times my estimate of 2010 earnings and 70% of its revenue; yield, 2.1%.

*Dow Chemical (DOW, 20) is the world's best large chemical maker. It grows slowly but steadily gains on competitors. The stock lagged in the prior bull market and fell fully with the market in the bear, so it's cheap now. When can you buy a market leader at 40% of annual revenue? Dow is just breaking even now, but the stock is at four times my estimate of 2011 earnings. It sports a 3% dividend yield.

  On Mar. 30 I recommended France's *Lafarge (LFRGY, 17), the world's largest cement and concrete maker, at $9.50. So what if you missed the low; it's still a buy. Despite the recession, we're going to keep using the stuff. Politicians will see to that. Even after the recent rebound this stock sells at only 3.8 times its prerecession earnings. It has a 4% dividend yield and sells at 50% of revenue and 70% of book.

Today's China is more of a neo-feudal fascist state than a communist one--and a prime beneficiary of the governmental control system there is *Petrochina (PTR,115), China's largest producer of oil, with 2.3 million barrels per day, and natural gas, with 3 million cubic feet per day. As China latches on to the world's resources, Petrochina will benefit. It sells at 11 times likely 2009 earnings, with a 3.4% dividend yield.

Source : Forbes.com



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Quote atulbull Replybullet Posted: 25/Oct/2009 at 8:53pm

Viva The V

Ken Fisher, 10.15.09, 11:20 PM EDT
Forbes Magazine dated November 02, 2009

If history repeats, the current V recovery is far from over. Expect another 20%-to-25% gain by January.


Viva the vrrooom! We're in the midst of a really big and steep V. As detailed in my Feb. 16 column, "Anticipate the V" (and updated in my May 25 column, "Blink and You'll Miss It"), big bear markets are almost always followed by big bull markets in a V-shape pattern. The steeper the descent, the steeper the ascent.

Most investors give too much credence to the theory that prices are rational; they presume that a market collapse must have been justified by serious economic trouble. As a result they presume that we can't have a big bull run after prices crash. History proves that presumption to be false.

This time the V is almost perfect--so far. As I write, the MSCI All-Country World index is exactly where it was on Sept. 29, 2008. From there to the Mar. 9 bottom was five months and ten days. From the bottom up to here is not quite seven months, a slightly lopsided V.

Note: The V works for the whole world stock market, not necessarily every country's. Any one market, including America's, can take on an odd shape. Always think globally first.

The fundamental force behind every V is always that the last phase of a bear market is driven completely by imploding panicky sentiment rather than the fundamentals people think they're thinking about. The sentiment implosion is a societal, psychological depressed-spring effect that makes the market bounce back as quickly and as far as it went down.

All the while people fret about sucker rallies and expected pullbacks, the V keeps its shape. I described that sequence for the 1930s in my May 25 column. Now take a look at the bear market bottom on Dec. 6, 1974. A year and five months later the stock market was almost exactly where it had been a year and five months before Dec. 6.

If history repeats, the current V recovery is far from over. If it keeps up for another six to nine months the global stock market will be 20% to 25% higher by Jan.1, 2010. We had a long (16 months) and deep (down 60%) bear market. Now we're getting a big, long bull run. Stay with it, with stocks like these.

Brazil's TAM ( TAM - news - people ) (TAM, 13) has 50% of Brazil's airline market. In developed markets airline stocks are dogs. In emerging markets they're growth stocks. tam should grow about 15% a year yet sells at only eight times my estimate of 2009 earnings, and at only 30% of annual revenue and 2.4 times cash flow (in the sense of net income plus depreciation).

Net Servi&#231;os de Comunica&#231;&#227;o ( NETC - news - people ) (NETC, 12) is Brazil's largest pay-TV provider, with 3 million customers. It also delivers Internet access and phone services. Net will grow with Brazil--and then some. It sells at 15 times my estimate of 2009 earnings.

With similar numbers of customers Canadian Shaw Communications ( SJR - news - people ) (SJR, 18) has a diversified communications business with cable tv, Internet, phone and satellite services. It should grow 12% a year and at 16 times earnings is relatively cheap for a company with low-risk growth. You get a 4.4% dividend yield.

Huaneng Power International ( HNP - news - people ) (HNP, 26) is China's largest nongovernmental electricity generator. It has 40 gigawatts of generating capacity in 17 wholly owned power plants, plus output from partially owned plants, and more power on the way. Power is central to China's growth and Huaneng is central to China's power. At 12 times 2009 earnings, 50% of annual revenue and 90% of book value it's cheap. Expect earnings growth of 15% a year.

Wynn Resorts ( WYNN - news - people ) (WYNN, 66) is among the world's biggest gaming destinations. In 2006 it earned $629 million on $1.4 billion in revenue. Now earnings are crunched for obvious recessionary reasons. In 2010 it should have well over $3 billion in revenue and by 2011 should be earning over $1.5 billion. But the company's market capitalization is $8 billion. You are, in other words, paying less than 6 times plausible 2011 earnings.

Grandma and Grandpa have the dough. With the recession ending they will do what they felt bad about not doing last Christmas--spoiling the heck out of the grandkids. Throughout this recession the toymaker Hasbro ( HAS - news - people ) (HAS, 27) kept the growth up with its endless stream of household names like G.I. Joe, Nerf balls, Play-Doh, Playskool, Transformers and Tonka. It's a classic consumer discretionary stock at a time when consumer discretionary stocks should lead the market. It's cheap at 13 times 2009 earnings and 1.1 times revenue. The yield is 2.9%.



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Quote atulbull Replybullet Posted: 04/Dec/2009 at 7:34pm

The Old Normal

Ken Fisher, 11.29.09

A decade ahead of lackluster earnings and economic growth? Don't believe that rubbish.


I can't call on my institutional clients without hearing anguished questions about the "new normal." In case you have been fishing in the upper Amazon basin, the "new normal" is Pimco's way of declaring that the decade ahead will be lackluster. The slogan has taken on a life of its own and been widely adopted. It's also utter nonsense--rubbish of the first caliber.

The basic notion is that all the new insurmountable problems we now face (deficits, unemployment, exhausted consumers) will keep us in a dismal economy and poor stock market for ten years. But to me it seems pretty clear that we are now experiencing the same old normal we've always seen.

In my 37 years in the investment industry I've never, ever seen an early bull market without some version of this theme that was widely embraced. Last time around, in 2003-04, it was "a new era of lower expectations." Then stocks rose for four years.

As a rule, the bigger and scarier bear markets have been, the bigger the floodgates have opened toward this sentiment--this view that the new problems are just too big and bad to overcome. It all reminds me inherently and eerily of Sir John Templeton's line that the four most dangerous words in the English language are "This time it's different." It's different in details, maybe, but the fundamental principles of investing don't change.

Not to impugn Pimco's integrity (which I consider the highest), but this view is convenient for that firm. Its business is mainly in fixed income. As the economy strengthens--whether a little or a lot--it is likely that long-term interest rates will rise. That will make Pimco's bond portfolios go down in value. There's not much that bond managers can do in a long bear market for bonds and still look smart. If they go to cash, even with excellent timing, they get no big hero's reward of the sort equity managers can get.

Take note: Pimco, a division of Allianz ( AZ - news - people ), is getting into the equity business right now. Watch what its managers do, not what they say.

While obviously far from March's lows, stocks (globally) are still very cheap by historical standards. They are also cheap compared with bonds. Be bullish. Skip the biggest U.S. banks. Focus instead on materials, industrials and technology. More important, invest heavily overseas, where opportunities are the best. Here are some companies you should be looking at.

AustralianAlumina Ltd. ( AWC - news - people )(AWC, 6.2) doesn't seem cheap at 27 times likely 2009 earnings. But those earnings are depressed by the recession. This firm is one of the world's lowest-cost producers of bauxite (aluminum ore) and refined bauxite (alumina), via its 40% stake in Alcoa ( AA - news - people ) World Alumina & Chemicals. As China keeps adding higher-cost capacity for bauxite and alumina, Alumina becomes relatively lower cost still. Earnings will roar back with the economy and then some. The stock sells at 70% of book value and has a 5.1% dividend yield.

I recommended Braskem(BAK, 13) at 4.5 in my Apr. 27 column. It's still a buy at today's higher price. As Brazil's leading petrochemical firm, Braskem has at least several exciting years ahead from Brazil's internal growth and from its ability to sell throughout South America. In this hemisphere only Dow Chemical ( DOW - news - people ) and ExxonMobil ( XOM - news - people ) are larger. The missing profits will return with the expansion. Even now it sells at only 40% of annual revenue. Someday it should sell for three times that and on higher revenue.

The economy is propelling semiconductor sales forward, making chip outsourcing ever more viable. A great stock for that is China's Semiconductor Manufacturing International ( SMI - news - people )(SMI, 3.20), China's largest silicon-wafer fabricator. It has scarcely $1 billion in annual sales but should grow rapidly. It loses money now but has a strong balance sheet and sells at only 60% of book value and 1.2 times sales.

Emcor Group (EME, 26) is in an ugly field: industrial construction and services like electrical installation and heating and air-conditioning for commercial, industrial and government customers (in America, no less). Still, it does relatively well from its base in Norwalk, Conn. It sells at only 13 times the forecast for depressed 2009 earnings and at 30% of annual revenue. At this price you are paying maybe 4 times 2011 earnings.


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