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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 14/Jun/2008 at 6:27pm
Ev to Ebidta is almost similar to Pe ratio in concept so the argument revolves on what growth the company is experiencing and what is the RoCE?
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Quote kumardiwesh Replybullet Posted: 14/Jun/2008 at 6:38pm
So it means low EV/EBITDA is good, everything else being the same.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 14/Jun/2008 at 6:44pm
If growth is high then this a high ev to ebidta is better so no rules here.
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Quote kumardiwesh Replybullet Posted: 19/Jul/2008 at 11:25am
For what kind of companies do we use EV/EBITDA multiple?
When would it make sense to use EV/EBITDA over P/E?
As equity investors why do we need to consider EV at all...or for that matter EBITDA?
All we need is price and EPS
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Quote praveen Replybullet Posted: 20/Jul/2008 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by kumardiwesh

For what kind of companies do we use EV/EBITDA multiple?
When would it make sense to use EV/EBITDA over P/E?


Though this question appears to be directed at Basantji, I would attempt to answer that.



Companies with High Debt, or High Cash on the books.

For example companies like HOV Services, Vardhman Textiles even though quote at very low P/E they are not cheap since they have high debt on their books. So on EV/EBITDA basis they are not that cheap.

On the other hand an highly cash rich company may appear expensive on P/E basis but in reality it might not be so.

I for one prefer looking at EV/EBITDA more than P/E.

Like there are some auto ancillaries companies where P/E are at 6x-7x in line with there peers but have a lot of cash and are trading at below 3x in EV/EBITDA basis which means even if they are able to maintain there EBITDA for next 3 years (forget growth) to justify a rerating.


As equity investors why do we need to consider EV at all...or for that matter EBITDA?
All we need is price and EPS


Because equity investors only have a residual claim to the business.
Because EPS is easier to manipulate than EBITDA
EV/EBITDA and EBITDA margins are a better comparision tool for peers in  an industry than P/E and net margins
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Quote kumardiwesh Replybullet Posted: 21/Jul/2008 at 12:54pm
Thanks a lot Praveen...still looking for Basantji's reply though

Edited by kumardiwesh - 03/Sep/2008 at 10:46pm
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 21/Jul/2008 at 1:01pm

It has been summed up very well and that is why I did not reply again but sometimes companies that are yet to make profits on the net profit leevl are evaluated on this basis. EBIDTA is the operating outcome of the company's business and net profiut includes those things which are not in the control of the company or which can be twisted for example one can change depreciation rates, interest costs change with time and so does the tax rate depending on the kind of tax planning companies go in for.

It is thus important to track EBIDTA movements since they do not show big variance when compared to the net profit of the company.
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Quote kumardiwesh Replybullet Posted: 22/Jul/2008 at 3:02pm
If growth is high then this a high ev to ebidta is better so no rules here.
 
I didn't get the above statement.
Could u plz elaborate?
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