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Quote omshivaya Replybullet Posted: 12/Mar/2007 at 3:40pm
One way to kee a tab is to search for some texts that one may have written in his/her post. I find almost everything that way.
 
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Quote manishdave Replybullet Posted: 18/Mar/2007 at 10:53pm
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Excellent points Basant.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 20/Mar/2007 at 10:25am
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e-serve in which I made my first money of the current bull run. It went up 5 times for me! But I also lost money holding dudds like IT and T and the likes - that time I did not know the difference between the leader and the laggard.

 
 
Basantji...how many baggers do u had and hold...mere naseeb mein toh kuch bag hi nahin hai...Smile
 
 
Not more then 5-6  - for the entire length of the current bull run.Chronologically this is how they came.
 
1) E-Serve
2) Hinduja TMT
3) Pantaloon Retail
4) Trent
5) TV18
 
Now I also missed a lot of them. Missing is not as significant as making them is what I have learnt over the years. The most relevant one is United phorophous. The fact that I missed it is not as interesting as how I missed it. Not sure if I have mentioned it earlier but here it is:
 
SOmetimes in 2003 Mastek came out with its terrible guidance and the stock was slamed down 50% in one day. I was still a technology fan and was exposed to Mastek in a significant way. SO when I lost 50% in one stock I was scared and panicked.
 
In my panic I sold off Mastek which was closer to my buy price since the stock had doubled before falling 50%. To average the loss I sold United Phorophous at about Rs 130. I had bought United Phorophous at around Rs 100 in the back drop of the company making huge inroads in the US markets and I found Shroff to be aggressive decent promoters.Now there was no reason to sell United Phorophous and I laugh at myself when ever I think of that but that is what I did.
 
United phorophous has gone up 10-12 times in the last 4 years!!!


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Quote deveshkayal Replybullet Posted: 20/Mar/2007 at 10:30am
Thanks Basantji for sharing...I missed Pioneer Embroideries...i asked u about this company when it was around Rs.80 now it has gone upto 250 levels!!! in just 6 months..
"You don't need to be a rocket scientist. Investing is not a game where the guy with the 160 IQ beat the guy with a 130 IQ. Rationality is essential"- Warren Buffett
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Quote deepinsight Replybullet Posted: 21/Mar/2007 at 4:22pm
Basantji: Thanks for sharing also your misses with your gains. Its great learning. (what to do and what not to do)
 
Some questions on strategy
 
A) Do you have a system of adding to your holdings on a periodical basis? (or if you sell one of your holdings)
 
B) Do you choose price/value at that particular point as the main parameter to which holding to add to? or is it based on % of concentration? (i.e. adding more where there is less exposure)
 
C) How high in concentration do you let one company become of your holding? (I once had it that Infosys through appreciation become more than 70% of my total holdings)
 
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Quote omshivaya Replybullet Posted: 21/Mar/2007 at 4:34pm
Interesting to note your point C Deep ji. I at one time(when I started investing in equity in August 2004) had only TCS- so 100% into one stock LOL.
 
However, I thankfully (due to TED and GOD) diversified into some 4-5 major holdings and 1-2 dark horses from January 2006 until now.
 
Sorry to take up space on your page Basant sir, but I would also like to add Deep ji here that, over time I am finding 2 things that make the most impact on my investment decision:
 
1) Management(credibility, capability, hunger) This involves tracking past track record and many more things and is one of the most exhaustive processes for me, sometimes really tiring. It has a big gut feeling ingredient in it for me(everyone's gut may not be as reliable or maybe even more reliable than me.).
 
I am now somewhat able to appreciate the depth of the meaning, when some people say "Investing is an art and not a science".
 
 
 
2) Scalability of business.


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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 21/Mar/2007 at 5:05pm
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Basantji: Thanks for sharing also your misses with your gains. Its great learning. (what to do and what not to do)
 
Some questions on strategy
 
A) Do you have a system of adding to your holdings on a periodical basis? (or if you sell one of your holdings)
 
B) Do you choose price/value at that particular point as the main parameter to which holding to add to? or is it based on % of concentration? (i.e. adding more where there is less exposure)
 
C) How high in concentration do you let one company become of your holding? (I once had it that Infosys through appreciation become more than 70% of my total holdings)
 
Thanks
 
Tried answering them below:
 
A) Yes, I keep adding to the better idea. For example I mentioned earlier on this forum that I exited Trent last year nearer to Rs 900 and bought Tv18 (prior to demerger) at about Rs 610. Now that  price of TV18 (Rs 610) was almost 4.5 times higher then my first investment of Rs 145.
 
Earlier I had a mental block of not buying a stock at a substantially higher rate to my first buy but this changed one day in the course of  discussion with a dear friend of mine who invests a very significant amount caross the globe - mostly into emerging markets.
 
That person (cannot disclose name) has a very good exposure to HDFC Bank and keeps adding to this every time he gets an opportunity. he told me that his first purchase of HDFC Bank was at Rs 30 and his last purchase was at Rs 450 so the last buy was at a time when the first buy was a 15 bagger!!!
 
That changed my concept of not buying something that has gone up in price. Unfortunately I removed that mental block only last year otherwise I could profited more from this strategy. Anyway we always keep learning!!!
 
B) Price/Value is the main thing. Concentration is just a threat which remains there to keep me worried and on my toes but I have never reduced position just because one stock has gone up as a percentage of my portfolio. Thankfully all the stocks that I own have performed well so this problem does not arise as much as it otherwise would.
 
C) The idea is simple. and I would quote what I wrote earlier on this forum:
 
" This is more of a portfolio check which I do. If I have 4 ideas in my portfolio all potential multibaggers I just check up to see if after 4 years the increase in price of one of them should be equal to my total capital as on today. I assume no returns from the other three - which if it happens is a super bonus." 
 
So for 4 stocks the ideal is 25% for 3 it is closer to 33%. That is my concept of getting diversification in concentartion.
 
Sometimes I get worried whether this is the best startegy to follow but Buffet also kept American expres as more then 50% of his portfolio when the Bank got into a one off problem.
 
But 70% is a bit risky but certainly not incorrect. Now that 70% also has to be seen in the context of a person's overall assets. if a person has just got a job and after a few months puts 70% of his investment say Rs 70,000 into Infosys then there is no cause for worry but if after years of hard work and struggle he has a huge corpus which is skewed in favour of one company then it is surely risky.
 
So if Om had 100% in TCS and stocks was a small part of his overall assets (house, jewelleery) then it would not matter but after he gets a 20 bagger in Nucleus and then Nucleus makes up 70% of the portfolio then that weightage is risky but not wrong.
 
 
 
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Quote omshivaya Replybullet Posted: 21/Mar/2007 at 5:12pm
Very good explanation Basant sir, as always. Thank you very much.
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