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Quote manishdave Replybullet Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 7:46am
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DJ CHINA DENIES IT WILL TAX CAPITAL GAINS ON STOCKS
 
They got the point that there won't be much of "GAIN" left.
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Quote investor Replybullet Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 8:47am
I was searching to find out where to discuss about this, good to see you
all on this thread. I actually posted this earlier in the "Our stocks. Buy hold or sell - The help ourselves Board"

Basantji, Om, and all the other regular members - What to make of the GLOBAL MELTDOWN yesterday?

It all started off by the Chinese markets tumbling 9% yest(which is also
what triggered our late afternoon collapse), and then DOW and NASDAQ
down 4%, all emerging markets are down more than 5%

Very similar to the May trigger.

So guys please lets discuss and what to do - should we get out of short
term holdings/investment positions made recently.

The budget has been made irrelevant because of this - no matter what PC
announces, nobody will care as we could crash maybe 500+ points?
Or could it be that because we have already lost 1250 in the last 13 sessions, downside will be limited(i doubt it!!) ??
And altternatively, even a small bad news in the budget will just add to the panic and mayhem.

I agree fully with tigershark that no matter what PC does today, mrkst will tank, and tank bigtime!!  Should we sell short term positions on opening(assuming we can find buyers!!) ??


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Quote investor Replybullet Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 8:55am
Somehow i find this article very very funny!!

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Stay away from Indian markets, say FIIs

February 28, 2007 08:16 IST

On the eve of the Budget, top foreign brokerage houses Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan were advising investors to stay away from the Indian stock markets, saying the risk factors involved in Indian equities are much higher.

Morgan Stanley analysts Ridham Desai and Kuleen Tanna, in their India strategy report, point to five myths about the Indian market and conclude that "the ultimate point is what returns are embedded in stock prices rather than what multiples they are trading at.

Using a rigorous three-stage residual income model, we conclude that at the current level, the market is implying a long-term (10-year) compounded annual return of 11 per cent. To us, this seems lower than what investors deserve, based on our judgment of risk factors involved in Indian equities."

Similarly, JP Morgan strategist Adrian Mowat says it is time "to get out of India" while its head of regional banks, Sunil Garg, has a zero weighting in his regional banks portfolio for Indian banks, first time since the mid 90s.

Bharat Iyer, JP Morgan's Indian strategist, is concerned that risk to consensus earnings estimates is on the downside. JP Morgan has downgraded India to `underweight' drawing a parallel between the rising interest rates at the moment to 1994-period when prime lending rates and mortgage rates hit the roof.

The first myth relating to the Indian capital markets, according to Morgan Stanley, is Indian equity valuations are overstated because of India's unique sector composition.

"Our work shows this to be untrue. The most common misconception is that India's sectoral composition is skewed towards sectors that trade on a higher multiple (due to their non-cyclical nature). Save for technology, India's sector composition is hardly different from the average represented in the MSCI (Morgan Stanley Composite Index) Emerging Market," Desai said.

The second myth is that India's high Return On Equity justifies its premium valuations. But "the premium seems a bit too much for India's sustainable ROE. The third myth is that equities are attractive relative to bonds but that assumes that bonds are fairly valued and that earnings are not inflated. "This (equity is attractive to bonds) does not tell us if bond yields are lower than they should be, i.e., bonds are overvalued."

The fourth myth is that returns have only played catch-up with GDP growth. However, this does not explain the more than quadrupling of the market cap to GDP ratio, the Morgan Stanley analysts said.

The fifth myth is that Indian equity valuations compare favourably with history. "Absolute multiples are approaching multi-year highs but they are still not past the tech bubble peak of 2000. However, this has to be seen in the context of how equities trade elsewhere in the world.

Multiples are just off multi year lows in the rest of the world.. India trades at a premium to the rest of the world versus a discount in the past. "Part of the premium is justified by India's long-term growth prospects but nobody can really be sure of what the fair level of premium should be," the Morgan Stanley report said

Source: Business Standard


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Quote PrashantS Replybullet Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 8:56am
We will probably get discounts today - If you get a moment, where Infosys is 1500 BUY :) - these discount SALES come once in a while.

Don't panic - people who bought at 4500 in May 2004 made money.

Be sensible and don't add to the discount sale and yes, don't look at Udayan and Mitali flirting and scaring you.

And, Marc Faber is an a.....e - he magically appears on TV when market falls.
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Quote Mohan Replybullet Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 8:58am

Great Buying OPPortunity. I think.SmileSmileSmile

Be fearful when others are greedy and be greedy when others are fearful.
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Quote tigershark Replybullet Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 8:58am
they are my personal views what exactly will happen we will know in a short while from now.pl review each investment as to why yu bought that small piece of business if your conviction of buying it still holds good immeterial of what happens in china or mongolia then you know what to do.the answer that im looking for is can INDIA continue to grow at 9% if yes and maybe the fm can answer that then i will worry less .there is atleast one person in india who beleives so his name is mukesh d ambani  he is  buying eqity worth 3.6 billion with his own personal money in a co called reliance industries!

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understanding both the power of compound return and the difficulty getting it is the heart and soul of understanding a lot of things
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Quote investor Replybullet Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 9:33am
tigershark, i think u also watched the budget discussion yesterday. Wink
This is exactly what Samir Arora said on that show.

Originally posted by tigershark

they are my personal views what exactly will happen we will know in a short while from now.pl review each investment as to why yu bought that small piece of business if your conviction of buying it still holds good immeterial of what happens in china or mongolia then you know what to do.the answer that im looking for is can INDIA continue to grow at 9% if yes and maybe the fm can answer that then i will worry less .there is atleast one person in india who beleives so his name is mukesh d ambani  he is  buying eqity worth 3.6 billion with his own personal money in a co called reliance industries!


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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 9:39am
Originally posted by investor

I was searching to find out where to discuss about this, good to see you
all on this thread. I actually posted this earlier in the "Our stocks. Buy hold or sell - The help ourselves Board"

Basantji, Om, and all the other regular members - What to make of the GLOBAL MELTDOWN yesterday?

It all started off by the Chinese markets tumbling 9% yest(which is also
what triggered our late afternoon collapse), and then DOW and NASDAQ
down 4%, all emerging markets are down more than 5%

Very similar to the May trigger.

So guys please lets discuss and what to do - should we get out of short
term holdings/investment positions made recently.

The budget has been made irrelevant because of this - no matter what PC
announces, nobody will care as we could crash maybe 500+ points?
Or could it be that because we have already lost 1250 in the last 13 sessions, downside will be limited(i doubt it!!) ??
And altternatively, even a small bad news in the budget will just add to the panic and mayhem.

I agree fully with tigershark that no matter what PC does today, mrkst will tank, and tank bigtime!!  Should we sell short term positions on opening(assuming we can find buyers!!) ??


 
Make use of the opportunity to buy stocks that would remain (to some extent) insulated from interest rate fears. Of course it hurts when we get poorer first thing in the morning but after being in the markets for some time I have started to understand the difference between loss of capital and loss of paper capital.
 
 
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