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    Posted: 26/Apr/2007 at 1:52pm

SAVE TAX AND DESTROY WEALTH

 

Tax savings Instruments

 

Ø      Additional taxable Income Rs 60,000

Ø      Rate of return 8.5%

Ø      Total amount after 15 years compounded at 8.5% Rs 2,03,984

 

 

Non- Tax savings Instruments

 

Ø      Additional taxable Income Rs 60,000

Ø      Tax at 30% of Total Income Rs 18,000

Ø      Net income after tax Rs 42,000

Ø      Rate of return 15%

Ø      Total amount after 15 years compounded at 15% = Rs 3,41,756

 

 

Net wealth destroyed

Ø      Rs 3,41,756  -- Rs 2,03,984 = Rs 1,37,720

 

  • The rate of return of 8.5% is available only with the Public Provident Fund
  • If India grows at 12% nominal stocks should yield north of 15%
  • Empirically the returns of the Bse Index have been of close to 20% since inception.

ELSS is the best option it saves tax and is an equity instrument.

 
Originally posted by tigershark

if yu want to save tax then the best option is the ppf 8% tax free asof now 15 yrs down the line it is quite a lumpsum ulip is no good also yu need to have a bank in your portfolio.


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Quote tigershark Replybullet Posted: 26/Apr/2007 at 3:49pm
thks that is really an eyeopener!
understanding both the power of compound return and the difficulty getting it is the heart and soul of understanding a lot of things
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Quote drpatils Replybullet Posted: 26/Apr/2007 at 4:23pm
hmmmm.....make me repent for all these yrs waste of tax saving...Basant Ji aap mujhe 10 sal pehle kyon nahi mile?God's Master plan indeed.He wants me to accumulate wealth now onwards.LOL
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Quote kishan Replybullet Posted: 26/Apr/2007 at 5:26pm
Wow, looks like you have answered my doubt Smile
Thanks for that. Shall act on my ULIP's right away
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 26/Apr/2007 at 5:44pm
You all would be surprised to know that in the last 5 years My tax liability has been less then .01% of my income!!!Howeveer p[eople having slalary income cannot practice this as they are most severely taxed in our  system.
 
Not that I steal from the Govt. but I try investing for long term gains and if at all there is a liability I pay it off rather then going the tax saving way!!!
 
This is how it works:
 
Suppose I have 10 shares of Tv18 at Rs 20 then if I feel like after one year I sell 1 share of Tv18 at Rs 200. This is a long term gain so does not attract tax.
 
If prices fall then I would shift from some other company back into Tv18 say at rs 160  - I keep doing a jig in the stocks that I own - sell a little Pantaloon and buy TV18 or vice versa so this new purchase would be at Rs 180 and if I want to sell again at rs 210 then the shares bought first would be taken into account that is the ones bought at Rs 20 - hence long term again after a year I can sell the Rs 180 stock also and still save tax.
 
This is another benefit of holding concentrated portfolios!!!
 
taxes and brokerage kill our portfolio just that we do not feel the pinch because they suck us in installements- each time a trade is done they are there for the taking.
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Quote kishan Replybullet Posted: 26/Apr/2007 at 5:59pm
Well, we were convinced you do it best and you showed us with your stats ;)
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Quote omshivaya Replybullet Posted: 26/Apr/2007 at 6:49pm
Yups, he is da man...
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 06/Oct/2007 at 7:50am

These things should be taught from school/college levels.

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