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Quote basant Replybullet Topic: Makes sense to buy stocks that are FII limit up.
    Posted: 04/Oct/2006 at 12:55pm

It  makes sense to buy stocks that are FII limit up!

While it is common “smart” belief that investors should avoid companies with very high FII holdings I have personally experienced that some very profitable investments can be made by buying companies with very high FII holdings. The other essential attributes of the stock should be:

1)     FII limit hit: There are companies where the FII limit (as regulated by the Govt.) has been hit and no further buying can be made. This indicates that the company is yet to see fair value. When ever a regulation puts a cap of the demand side of a company then the stock tends to be below fair value. Some companies that fall within this space are SBI, HDFC,, Pantaloon Retail, TV 18. Interestingly some of these stocks used to see FII trades at more then 20% to market price.

2)     The liquidity is low: Low liquidity is a double edged sword. While at first sight it would appear frightful to invest in a company with low liquidity and high FII holding the other side of the argument is equally compelling. No FII would like to get stuck in a low liquidity stock. If the results for a quarter are bad then the stock could be slammed down 50%. So these people would be buying that stock only when they have a longer term view or in other words they would be unfazed by Q-on-Q results.

3)     FII limit up in a low market cap stock tells us more about the long term nature of this business then otherwise FII limit up in a small cap stock means that some research has been done unless it is an IFSL (ould know that in hindsight only

4)     Now if some one argues that a stock with FII limit up cannot move then consider this. TV 18 has been a 3 bagger since it went FII limit up and Pantaloon, SBI have moved up three fold after having gone FII limit up.

5)     And finally we have to do our own diligence merely buying a stock because it is FII limit up makes little (no) sense. I prefer to look at these figures as a passing reference to the analytical process not a guiding one.Interestingly Mc Dowell had an FII holding of 0% before it became a 15 bagger

Please let us have names of any more fundamentally strong  midcaps/small caps that are FII limit up by regulation?

Edited by basant - 11/Oct/2006 at 11:52pm
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Quote shuchi Replybullet Posted: 04/Oct/2006 at 2:05pm

i agree with your views 100 %

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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 04/Oct/2006 at 3:08pm
Thanks Shuchi, Any more small/midcaps with FII limit up that come to your mind. These stocks would not be ten baggers (happens with low FII holdings only) but they do double or quadraple in good time.
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Quote BubbleVision Replybullet Posted: 04/Oct/2006 at 3:34pm
we have to do our own diligence merely buying a stock
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Quote Gorden Replybullet Posted: 04/Oct/2006 at 4:43pm
In banking Industry we have Andhra Bank & Karnataka bank.
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Quote investor Replybullet Posted: 04/Oct/2006 at 10:22am
Very good point Basant. While we should not use this as a thumbrule for
 investing, we should defiitely give such news importance and do further analysis.
For example, in case of Mcdowell, FIIs probably did not enter because of the
poor image of the management(Mallya was sleeping at that time). I entered
only because of Ramesh Damani's pointers, and even then i had the same doubt (about very low FII holding) and he told me that not to worry about it,
that "FIIs always come in late!".  And how right he proved to be



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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 04/Oct/2006 at 10:57am
Yes, Mc Dowell has been one of the bigger feathers in Ramesh ji's cap. He needs to be congratulated as often as we could on that. A very very brave call I would say.
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Quote investor Replybullet Posted: 04/Oct/2006 at 11:15am
He actually holds pretty much every liqour stock that is listed(or alteast used
to hold it at one time). He entered them when everything was going dead cheap about 3 years ago, and being a true value investor in the Buffet mould, invested on just one angle - compared to global liqour company
valuations, the indian liqour companies were going for peanuts.
So he bought and waited.

The risk, as he kept telling us regularly in his chats, was that "Management
needs to deliver / IF Mallya delivers, etc" That was the BIG "if" ....

Mallya woke up, started to deliver, and the rest as they say is history...

Like you said, Damani definitely needs to be congratulated on his patience and conviction. Two of the most important terms i associate with success in investing - PATIENCE and CONVICTION. You cannot hope to have multibaggers without them, and i have learned that through Mcdowell and Damani.


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