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    Posted: 05/Nov/2008 at 11:12am
Sharad, thanks for your comments. I was reasoning that Tata Sons will not allow Tata Motors or Tata Steel to go bankrupt. I remember them being in a lot of similar problems in 2000 as well. Again, thinking that Kingfisher will be bailed out by the government if it so requires. The aviation minister has talked about something to this effect. My feeling is that most of this stocks are severly oversold...atleast for someone putting in spare 10 year money.
 
Being from Jamshedpur i have seen the Tata Steel movie twice. Tata Steel is in the middle of a huge expansion, things are really hunky dory and then suddenly the economy goes for a spin and people are talking about it closing down. The strange part is the tata guys start buying at this point and know of atleast 2-3 people who have 10 baggers after holding for coutless years even at these markets. Smile People have paid dowries by selling Tata Steel stocks.  I think if India grows at an average of 7% for the next 20 years we will be where China is today and most big companies which sort of make the country will do extraordinarily well though they will suffer in the next 2-3 years for sure. I see those old guys buying tata Steel and Tata motors again...so taking heart from that. Also LNM is talking about his interest in doing acquisitions in India.
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 31/May/2012 at 8:58am
The parallels between what works in one's career and in investing is interesting.
 
Disclaimer: These comments don't apply to outright smart folks who do well irrespective of background, education degress and industry.
 
For both careers and investing:
 
1. Rising tide lifts all boats:
    -It great while the industry and company is growing.
    -It's not great going when the converse is true.
2. Better brands generally leads to better results.
3. Rising tide lead growth is often confused with extra competence
4. Free cash flow and asset light industries generally provides the best salary/dividends/growth. Converse is also true.
 
 etc etc.... you get the picture
 
From anecdotal evidence i see:
 
1. Finance guys grew the fastest between 2000-2008 but feel somewhat stagnated now. (Again, this does not apply to the smartest individuals or rainmakers who are sought after with high perks even when their company goes bankrupt)
 
2. Software guys grew at steady pace but not necessarily at breakneck pace like in late 90s.
   - Again, folks working on fast growing subsegment like web software e.g. data center backbone, online CRM, social, search etc grew the fastest
 
3. The ones in consumption theme seems to have done very very well in the last few years as they turned around moribund businesses in their organization. (Was it the tide or their special skills?)
 
4. Highly paid individuals in startups making losses are yet again worried.
 
5. Visionaries or lucky dudes who joined construction/oil industry when they were not the flavor of the season have done very well over the last few years
 
I could go on and on...
 
Humble career advice for my own self and others who have read so far
 
- Do try to align yourself to take advantage of high free cash flow and more importantly growth opportunities
 
- Never participate in downward business cycles
 
- Recent passouts, please do your self a favor by trying to get a second degree from a prodigious brand. 
 
- Recent passout : Do try to build some brand value in your CV atleast in the earlier part of your career rather than focusing on a few lakhs extra salary
 
 
Please do read my disclaimer above and excuse me for my know all post.


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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 31/May/2012 at 9:07am
Originally posted by subu76


excuse me for my know all post.


Very relevant argument especially for the newcomers. Your nuggets make for very interesting reading. On a lighter note even Uday Babu says so.

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Quote RahulB Replybullet Posted: 01/Jun/2012 at 1:53pm
Awesome Subu...

just to add one more dimension...

working under a competent & fair manager (management) is significantly more enriching and rewarding in the long run
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 01/Jun/2012 at 3:15pm
Originally posted by RahulB

Awesome Subu...just to add one more dimension...working under a competent & fair manager (management) is significantly more enriching and rewarding in the long run



Very good point....Atleast in various management interviews I hear experience with ethical brands like the Tatas is a plus.

We all read how Reliance ADAG executives are trying to leave as early as possible.

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Quote prabhakarkudva Replybullet Posted: 01/Jun/2012 at 3:50pm
Great points Subuji!

Can you explain the two points below in more detail:

- Recent passouts, please do your self a favor by trying to get a second degree from a prodigious brand.

- Recent passout : Do try to build some brand value in your CV atleast in the earlier part of your career rather than focusing on a few lakhs extra salary
Take your chances and keep them in a box until a quieter time.
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 01/Jun/2012 at 3:53pm
Originally posted by prabhakarkudva

Great points Subuji!

Can you explain the two points below in more detail:

- Recent passouts, please do your self a favor by trying to get a second degree from a prodigious brand.

- Recent passout : Do try to build some brand value in your CV atleast in the earlier part of your career rather than focusing on a few lakhs extra salary


Like I said....it doesn't matter for the brightest and most enterprising folks. Bill Gates or Zuckerberg never worked in any company but their own.

In general I have found that people who have these tend to do better in the corporate world in the long run....

Like I said...smart guys do not need to bother it's only for average 80% folks
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Quote prabhakarkudva Replybullet Posted: 01/Jun/2012 at 4:23pm
You mean:

1. Get a degree from a marquee institute like an IIM/ISB?

2. Join a company that is a big brand?
Take your chances and keep them in a box until a quieter time.
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