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    Posted: 04/Dec/2010 at 12:56pm

I came across two articles recently discussing concern about India’s current account deficit. (Links are as below).

 

http://advisorperspectives.com/commentaries/arp_120310.php

 

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/indicators/Indias-strong-demand-a-problem-too-Goldman-Sachs/articleshow/7039610.cms

 

At this point in time, problem due to current account deficit is considered as low probability event and, probably, got ignored. However, this got me thinking about how all this will end. It is not practically possible to predict the events but there is no harm to do mental exercise. Hence, here I go!!

 

Indian consumption has been booming. A lot of this has been financed by bank credit. Earlier to year 2000, it was not usual to get loans from bank for any purpose other than buying house and that too at quite a high interest rates. Situation is changed now. People are happily taking loans from bank for buying house, car, and home furniture and also for a vacation. This has led to predictable multiplier effect on economy, thus resulted in high GDP growth and also improvement in corporate revenue growth and profitability. Stock market and property market has reflected this phenomenon.

 

So far so good!! However, beyond a point, this growth is not sustainable and could lead to serious problems down the road. What are the signs that it is on unsustainable trajectory? One is rate of change in inflation and bank interest rates. Both have started to move higher which is not good sign. This reflects that there are bottlenecks in economy, most glaring is infrastructure. These bottlenecks need to be removed to improve the growth rate. Otherwise, it results in over heating being reflected in high inflation & interest rates. Second is balance of payment and how it is financed. In this case, our current account deficit is widening and is being financed by FII inflow. The FII inflows are short term in nature and can be quickly reversed unlike FDI flows. That is again not a good sign. When time comes, there could be capital flight out of India.

 

In summary, a good portion of current growth is not productivity led but led by bank credit growth and indirectly financed by hot FII money. When this trend reverses, it will reverse corporate revenue growth & profitability improvements and result in P/E de-rating for Indian stock market.

 

So, what is the end game? In the most likely scenario, current trend will continue for quite sometime and, like snowballing effect, becomes glaringly unsustainable.

 

What will be the signs of end game approaching? High p/e ratio for the market, big time FII inflows & appreciating currency despite high inflation, interest rates and current account deficit.

 

What will be trigger for trend reversal? Strong but late policy response (like some form of capital controls or trade barriers like high import duties) combined with attractive investment opportunities elsewhere (like developed countries equity market available at generational low P/E) could result in FII money leaving India in wholesale.

 

What will be implications? P/E de-rating of stock market (long term bear market), big time Rupee depreciation and even banking crisis possible.

 

What action we, retail investors, can take? Sell domestic consumption theme, move to foreign currency deposits or stock market, buy stocks of companies earning foreign exchange.

 

Time frame of this happening? No idea….I guess 2016, give or take a year or two.

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Quote values Replybullet Posted: 06/Jan/2011 at 3:09pm
Money...Those are good pointers to articles and nice analysis...how much can that be true and not, only time can tell.. but its surely something to keep in mind on these trends and take corrective actions when time comes...
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Quote aniljain Replybullet Posted: 06/Jan/2011 at 4:03pm
Originally posted by Monkey

 

What will be the signs of end game approaching? High p/e ratio for the market, big time FII inflows & appreciating currency despite high inflation, interest rates and current account deficit.

 

 
This sign are already seen in current scenario  what next??????????
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Quote aniljain Replybullet Posted: 06/Jan/2011 at 4:46pm
India’s current account deficit has risen to unprecedented levels and may rise further,” the report notes, adding that by FY2012 it may touch 4.3% of the GDP, higher than the level in 1991 when the country was facing a balance of payments crisis.

The risk in a scenario of domestic demand-driven growth is that a surge in capital-chasing growth and yield could drive asset and commodity prices higher, causing the real effective exchange rate to appreciate.
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Quote Monkey Replybullet Posted: 06/Jan/2011 at 6:09pm
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Originally posted by Monkey

 

What will be the signs of end game approaching? High p/e ratio for the market, big time FII inflows & appreciating currency despite high inflation, interest rates and current account deficit.

 

 
This sign are already seen in current scenario  what next??????????
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I think we are miles away from end game. I think we are just getting started on the trend of sustained high inflation and interest rates slowly but surely moving up.

 

Think over the following:

 

1.     Short term interest rates in US, Japan and Euro zone are close to zero and their central banks are unlikely to substantially increase these rates for foreseeable future. This allows big hedge funds and FIIs to borrow at near zero interest rates, leverage this money and play around the world in every asset class in line with whims, fancies and fashions of the day. This is trillions of dollars in hot money circulating around the world. A small dose of it coming to India acts like steroid shot for our markets.

2.     All big economies are running high fiscal deficits, US for example is expected to run trillion dollar deficit per annum for quite some time. It is practically not possible to finance such deficits out of savings of rest of the world. Only way to finance these deficits is to print money which these central banks are doing anyway. Effect is high inflation. Since all these newly minted money are routed to developing markets, signs of high inflation are now appearing in developing markets.

 

RBI increasing rates is not going to stop the trend due to factors mentioned above. If RBI wants to break the back of inflation on the face of above two factors then it needs to jack up short term rates prohibitively high, probably in the range of 15% to 20%. I do not think that is going to happen now in next few years. Therefore, our stock market will continue to get inflation jitters and, after getting a swift correction, will climb back higher. This is wall of worry phase. It looks scary but nothing much to scare about as long as RBI is behind the curve in company of other central banks.

 

The real problem for the market will come when RBI will resolutely jack-up short term interest rates to prohibitively high levels. It will happen when inflation, particularly inflation in primary articles like food, will increase and stay high to an extent beyond tolerance of ordinary citizen. We will be able to anticipate RBI actions through election results where inflation will be one & only agenda and whoever is ruling party at center will be thrashed. I see very real possibility of food riots on the streets in many parts of the country. When this happens, RBI will take action. That will be the time to get out of stock market.

 

I expect that by the time RBI is seriously on the job, market valuations will be in the once-in-a-generation bubble territory. My guess – we will see TTM P/E on Nifty touching 50 sometime in this decade on the back of hot money followed by ordinary citizen’s hard earned money in the market. Such high valuations combined with RBI’s tough stance on inflation (real and not lip service) combined with very high current account deficit will be the end for this bull and, most probably, the end for India story for FIIs. You know what to do if such scenario comes to pass.

 

I seriously hope that above scenario does not happen. However, I see high probability of it happening. We can cry for our country but still we need to take appropriate actions to protect our own personal financial well being. I hope what I have written here helps, just in case!!

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Quote aniljain Replybullet Posted: 06/Jan/2011 at 6:40pm
Plz Basantji  can you help on next theme of investment which will protect our wealth and earn resonable return in 2011-2012 and kindly suggest comment on this thought presented by monkey.
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Quote aniljain Replybullet Posted: 07/Jan/2011 at 11:14am
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What will be the signs of end game approaching? High p/e ratio for the market, big time FII inflows & appreciating currency despite high inflation, interest rates and current account deficit.

 

What will be trigger for trend reversal? Strong but late policy response (like some form of capital controls or trade barriers like high import duties) combined with attractive investment opportunities elsewhere (like developed countries equity market available at generational low P/E) could result in FII money leaving India in wholesale.

 

What will be implications? P/E de-rating of stock market (long term bear market), big time Rupee depreciation and even banking crisis possible.

 

 
 
 Soon or latter rbi reaction to current scnerio will decide the direction of trend. plz basantji give your valuable comment on this entire post.
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Quote j2eeprofessiona Replybullet Posted: 08/Jan/2011 at 1:14pm
the markets are discounting a 50 basis point hike... and therefore the reaction , plus this spiralling inflation is a real worry and it seems it now going out of goverment's control...
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