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kulman
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 Topic: Buying stocks - Ramdeo Agarwal's style! Posted: 12/Dec/2007 at 9:00am |
Raamdeo Agrawal, Director & co-founder, Motilal Oswal Financial Services, in a free wheeling conversation... Excerpts of the conversation:
A long time back, I realised that ‘margin of safety’ is the cornerstone of wealth creation. Steeper the margin of safety, faster, larger and more consistent will be the wealth creation. Margin of safety affects size and speed of wealth creation.
...my sense is that margin of safety emerges from your ability to forecast the company’s value five, seven, ten years into the future and compare it to what price you are paying today.
Margin of safety is not on the table. It’s in the mind. When looking at margin of safety you are not just looking at the book value; you are also visualising the future expected value. This is both an art and a science.
When you forecast a company’s value, you need to take into account the evolving business environment including monopolistic position, favourable regulatory environment, management’s ability to seize the opportunity and execute, etc.
For example, Bharti Airtel, which has created huge wealth for its investors, just a few years ago was making losses and was available at a price which was almost half of its issue price.
The very essence of a good business is a business with a sustained tailwind and an entry barrier. Both are essential as an entry barrier will keep competition away while the tailwind will make the business grow.
Firstly, any management should realise a business opportunity – the nature of business and size of the opportunity. If there is no business opportunity, there is no scope of wealth creation. An extremely good management without business opportunity can do nothing.
The dynamism of the management to exploit business opportunity is very important; like what Reliance is doing in E&P..
A favourable business environment in the hands of incompetent management leads to transient wealth creation. I call this the Barsati Mendak effect i.e. it’s only in the monsoons when even tadpoles make noise and are heard.
Equities are an exponential asset class and one of the few avenues open to own a business. So we should control our greed and fear, buy for the long term and enjoy the process of wealth creation.
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johnnybravo
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 Posted: 12/Dec/2007 at 9:15am |
Originally posted by kulman
A favourable business environment in the hands of incompetent management leads to transient wealth creation. I call this the Barsati Mendak effect i.e. it’s only in the monsoons when even tadpoles make noise and are heard.
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v good article 'bade bhaiyaa'.... yeh barsati mendak bhi shayad chaljayenga...paar yeh samjhna jaroori hai ki barsat chal rahi hai!!
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This is one of the biggest source of pain. In good times people think even companies with bad management are great companies |
Can we put these words in our study room or rather the dealing room.I am certain that at the end of this bull run we will have 5 SSis, 3 DSQs and 2 HFCL for every Infosys.
The very essence of a good business is a business with a sustained tailwind and an entry barrier |
He has summed things up in just one senetence. He has far smarter then what he looks on TV.
Edited by basant - 12/Dec/2007 at 10:13am
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 Posted: 13/Dec/2007 at 1:01pm |
Originally posted by tushar
yeh barsati mendak bhi shayad chaljayenga...paar yeh samjhna jaroori hai ki barsat chal rahi hai!!
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Yeah, right!
Lafda yeh hota hain...ke Mungerilal ko yeh pata nahin chalta hain ke: chaddi geeli hone ka kaaran barsaat hain yaa 'kuchh aur'?
Edited by kulman - 13/Dec/2007 at 1:02pm
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{The very essence of a good business is a business with a sustained tailwind and an entry barrier. Both are essential as an entry barrier will keep competition away while the tailwind will make the business grow. }
I completely agree with this defination while choosing an investment candidate. What are the possible sectors or businesses meeting this condition???
May be like:
- Oil, Petroleum & Power- Require big investment and the gestation period is longer and strict govt. regulations.
- Any defence product manufacturers ???
Others can also add !!
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 Posted: 13/Dec/2007 at 1:57pm |
The emphasis should be on the word "sustained" with tailwind. How can we be sure whether energy prices would be up or down? Not sure if this theory could be applied to cyclicals because by the very nature of the definition cyclicals move in cycles hence an obstruction to the word "sustained".
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This was really good - He is one of the guys i've always found to be knowledgeable whenever he talks at the CNBC investor camps, and this interview gives us an insight into his line of thinking. There are so many great virtues of investing distributed in his comments - need to really take that and try to practise.
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The market is a place where people with money meet people with experience.
The people with experience get the money while people with money get experience!
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He has summed things up in just one senetence. He has far smarter then what he looks on TV.
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No wonder Motilal Oswal is known for its Research.
I have an "Wealth Creation" book by Motilal Oswal which is full of wisdom.
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"You don't need to be a rocket scientist. Investing is not a game where the guy with the 160 IQ beat the guy with a 130 IQ. Rationality is essential"- Warren Buffett
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